Manchin signals he won't support filibuster carve-out for debt hike
Source: the hill
By Jordain Carney - 10/06/21 11:44 AM EDT
Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said on Wednesday that he remains opposed to changing the Senates legislative filibuster, dealing a blow to progressive hopes to use a rules change as an escape hatch from a fight over the nation's borrowing limit.
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Manchin, speaking to reporters, argued that its time for Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to start negotiating.
McConnell and Schumer have not been negotiating on the debt ceiling.
I truly implore both leaders ... to engage, start working, work this out, Manchin said.
We have a responsibility to be the adults... we should not have these artificial crisis, he added. Please lead, lead, work together.
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Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/575549-manchin-signals-he-wont-support-filibuster-carve-out-for-debt-hike
How does Schumer negotiate with a brick wall--turtle face??
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)I just love this country.
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jimfields33
(15,952 posts)No more 3 day weeks with massive vacation weeks between. Heck the house is off until October 18th. Didnt they just get 6 weeks off in august-September?
pandr32
(11,612 posts)It's all optics. Joe Manchin is just pretending it's not his problem.
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blm
(113,091 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)You know what to do.
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FBaggins
(26,758 posts)What do we have to trade? They seem convinced that a shutdown will be blamed on Democrats and that our only option to avoid a shutdown (reconciliation) gives them a win.
Walleye
(31,050 posts)Lonestarblue
(10,066 posts)Trump will be on the ticket in 2024, and WV has become redder and redder. Manchin won his last race by only a small margin.
Im really fed up with Manchins attitude. He and Sinema are just as obstructionist as the Republicans. I hate describing Democrats this way, but neither of them is being loyal to Biden or the Party that helped elect them.
Walleye
(31,050 posts)brush
(53,862 posts)makes to install its agenda. Every damn time.
inwiththenew
(972 posts)I bet this is his last term. He's going to ride off into the sunset to probably a pretty lucrative retirement gig if he holds the line.
Budi
(15,325 posts)"dealing a blow to progressive hopes to use a rules change as an escape hatch from a fight over the nation's borrowing limit."
So no,
Democrats?
Moderates?
Centrists?
The wording in the article is a lie.
There are Dems, Mods & Centrists & progressives who are all on the same page in the debt ceiling matter.
At least give credit to all those under the Democratic Party & stop with the pandering to an exclusive group.
Thanks
LymphocyteLover
(5,654 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Money & Media.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Miguelito Loveless
(4,473 posts)with a marathon vote on the same issue over and over and over again. Nobody goes home until and up or down vote is taken.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Considering what the taxpayers pay out every year for the cumulative salaries of Senate & House alone, not to mention the healthcare & benes, make them sit in the chamber till the deal is done.
Mr. Evil
(2,856 posts)So, Schumer asks McConnell to negotiate. McConnell says no. Schumer slugs him. McConnell on the floor, out cold. End of negotiations.
I'm exhausted by all of this.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Sick of it all.
LymphocyteLover
(5,654 posts)DEMOCRATS ARE BEING THE FUCKING GODDAMNED RESPONSIBLE ADULTS.
REPUBLICANS ARE TERRORISTS.
Budi
(15,325 posts)And those who they parade thru as regular guests on MSM, bought and owned to move the Corporate Media's pre-determined messaging.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)femmedem
(8,207 posts)So much handwringing and blameshifting for something under his control.
turbinetree
(24,720 posts)have put my social security fixed income in jeopardy..........%$#@&*() two pin heads agreed to the 3.5 trillion almost 4 months ago......
kysrsoze
(6,023 posts)Raven123
(4,864 posts)How does one negotiate on a filibuster to permit a vote? Its yes or no. There is no give snd take. Oh thats right, Manchin is against Bidens agenda too.
Traildogbob
(8,800 posts)All the Social Security checks for disabled black lung West Virginians stop October 18th. There will be visitors at the Yacht dock.
Taraman
(373 posts)Republicans, aided by DINOs like Manchin and Sinema, playing political games with the world economy. If my social security checks stop I'm screwed.
Justice system works in geological time. The rich boyz thumb their noses at the law.
American democracy, my home, is stumbling around on the edge of a cliff. And the same people are playing games.
Pandemic continues to rage in my state. And the same people are playing games.
It's all theater. But not for me.
pwb
(11,287 posts)Soon. The Blue wave will make him little again, like he should be. He is not that bright.
Joinfortmill
(14,456 posts)Desert Dog
(74 posts)Mansion wants the Democrats to use the reconciliation up to solve the "crisis". Two birds - One stone for him. How about getting McConnell to STOP blocking it? Mansion is posturing like there is some negotiation for this. The GQP isn't asking for anything. They are just being petulant children and he is giving them cover.
The coal turd and his corporate senator with the curtsy are the worst freak'n negotiators on the planet! Why don't they just SHUT UP. Schumer cant even bluff this - if they keep running their mouths and doing op-eds.
I think both bills are effectively dead. After the economy takes a crap because of their malfeasance, Democrats should build one infrastructure bill with some perks and wrap it into the reconciliation bill. If the parliamentarian chokes on it, fire the person and move on. We need to start posturing on this immediately. Make the GOP and corporate Democrats go on record and VOTE against it. You can see GQP gearing up to run on "tax and spend" Democrats again.. Wrap this obstruction around their damn necks. Trillions in tax cuts for the rich, but NOTHING for the middle class.
If Mansion and Cinema only care about their infrastructure bill, then we need to kill it. Take it off the table. The long post by Senator F-Off was a tell. She was trying to get her way around the reconciliation bill, failed and threw a tantrum. She was going to have a celebratory rally with her corporate masters at the posh AZ resort and Joe/Progressives dashed her plans. She dreams of being this great bipartisan negotiator and she could not even persuade her own party. Did she even try? Seems like she just blew them off. KS is demented and i now fear she will never agree to anything. It is just a matter of time before her team starts floating leaks regarding her defection to the GOP. If Breyer gave more consideration to the country vs. his last chance grab at relevance, he would retire and we would get a sane justice in place asap. With Dem sh1t show in Senate and Cinema melt down, it would probably be easier to run away from "Dems control everything" fantasy. Cinema flakeing off to GQP could make the Senate apathy much clearer to the electorate. Would it help in individual races? Probably not, but it could help with national mood and turn out.
Joinfortmill
(14,456 posts)dlk
(11,576 posts)Hes showing is passive-aggressive side.
LudwigPastorius
(9,170 posts)in2herbs
(2,947 posts)two jerks are the only Ds obstructing the debt ceiling rise it will be known far and wide that they are the reason (along with the Rs) that the US went into default.
Also, the polls I've seen show an 80% or more WVA population in favor of BBB. So why are people saying that Manchin is the only D who could be elected in WVA? An 80% approval of BBB sounds like enough of the population would vote for a different D and not R.
Bayard
(22,149 posts)Anyone? Anybody?
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)With Biden bringing in the big guns,Yellin, CEOs of the biggest banks in a meeting that was on CSPAN. Undoubtably pressure from his donors the show will now proceed!
FBaggins
(26,758 posts)He took the issue off the table for the VA election and kept Schumer from claiming that it's too late to use reconciliation.
The clash starts back up again in a few weeks.
Martin68
(22,879 posts)a jury of my DU peers. He's a Democrat so we are not allowed to cast aspersions on his loyalty to the party. Just a warning to everybody out there.
Joinfortmill
(14,456 posts)speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)because of tradition and what comes around goes around, so I don't fault Manchin for that. It's the hold up of the rest of the agenda that is more worrisome. Can't he be persuaded with some pork to help the state transition from coal? I've read that what he really wants.
Joinfortmill
(14,456 posts)zanana1
(6,129 posts)He isn't. He's a conservative and a Republican enabler.