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MotherPetrie

(3,145 posts)
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 09:48 PM Oct 2012

Mitt Romney: Court Battle Over His Involvement in Bitter Divorce

Source: TMZ

Mitt Romney was heavily involved in the extremely messy divorce of one of his key supporters ... and the Boston Globe is going to court first thing Wednesday morning in an attempt to unseal the court file as well as lift a gag order ... TMZ has learned.

The divorce was between Staples co-founder Tom Stemberg and his first wife Maureen. We're told the divorce battle lasted for years and was extremely ugly.

Sources tell us Romney gave both a deposition in the divorce and testified in the trial. According to our sources, the Boston Globe got a tip that there was "juicy information about Romney" in the sealed documents.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2012/10/23/mitt-romney-divorce-thomas-stemberg-maureen-staples-gloria-allred-boston-globe/

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Mitt Romney: Court Battle Over His Involvement in Bitter Divorce (Original Post) MotherPetrie Oct 2012 OP
oopsie! leftofcool Oct 2012 #1
Oh Snap. He Banged his friends wife? Shame on you Mitt Thrill Oct 2012 #2
Thats a huge assumption Thrill cstanleytech Oct 2012 #51
This is a DIVORCE action, it has something to do with MONEY happyslug Oct 2012 #82
Well, I wonder EC Oct 2012 #3
Didn't Romney "save" Staples and then Staples powergirl Oct 2012 #4
Maybe he testified that he told the wife she should just shut up and obey. randome Oct 2012 #5
WOW... Fred Bastiat Oct 2012 #6
BOMBSHELL: imagine a married couple going through a rough patch and reconciling! myrna minx Oct 2012 #13
Too bad for Trump amuse bouche Oct 2012 #15
it's the boring Republican mirror trick that doesn't work any more because it's so obvious.. nt Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #17
There's this Grieg composition called Peer Gynt BeyondGeography Oct 2012 #21
Slagt ham! nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #81
... BeyondGeography Oct 2012 #105
Enjoy the pizza with your tombstone, troll. Five posts and toast. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #44
oh please... I'll bet Trump knew that the Boston Globe was going to expose their story SemperEadem Oct 2012 #76
I wonder if he was named as a thrid party Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #7
I don't know I can get behind this one. Unless of course Romney did something illegal. nolabear Oct 2012 #8
You don't have to get behind it, since you weren't voting for him anyway... regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #18
So, he had an "(Owner's Wife Is) Easy" button...? regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #9
ow.. snap Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #20
Duzy!!! berni_mccoy Oct 2012 #39
Oh, interesting. Sounds like the wife is trying to get it unsealed. progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #10
I think the paper, the Boston Globe, is asking for the details . . . fleur-de-lisa Oct 2012 #19
So they can sell more Papers! Cha Oct 2012 #25
The Boston Globe has a solid reputation has one of the best newspapers in the country. avaistheone1 Oct 2012 #31
Understood. It would sell more Papers, though nm Cha Oct 2012 #41
True, but there has to be something more. The ex-husband spoke at the RNC. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #45
I know..intriguing for now. I would think Cha Oct 2012 #49
Since it's the Globe and not a tabloid, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #58
Maybe he had an affair with her sister, someone related, and it all came out in the dirty laundry nt flamingdem Oct 2012 #50
Ack! More images I don't want in my head! Indpndnt Oct 2012 #57
My hunch is that it is something along the lines you are suggesting. Mittens probably helped avaistheone1 Oct 2012 #64
Dan Rather had a solid reputation to until he reported on a story without investigating the source cstanleytech Oct 2012 #53
who are they endorsing for president? SemperEadem Oct 2012 #77
Romney strikes me as asexual. But then again, he did have all those kids. Interesting Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #29
Maybe He Paid The Butler To Sur-O-Gate Queen Annie. Guitarzz Oct 2012 #55
Well, his wife Rincewind Oct 2012 #74
It will be revealed that TlalocW Oct 2012 #40
Usually the reason fo a sealed divorce record is minor children marshall Oct 2012 #56
This may vary, but that wasn't true for my divorce in Wisconsin HereSince1628 Oct 2012 #75
The sealed testimony in question was related to child custody marshall Oct 2012 #95
Most cases are sealed, as part of the marital settlement agreement happyslug Oct 2012 #85
Maybe itcfish Oct 2012 #98
I really wish they would drop this onenote Oct 2012 #11
True MSMITH33156 Oct 2012 #16
Since when is a Newspaper asking for the truth to be revealed the same R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #32
Its being characterized as an effort supported by Obama supporter Gloria Allred onenote Oct 2012 #36
All things are not equal, but the Repugs want you to believe that. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #46
Oh, well then, if Republicans are characterizing it, we have to just sit down and Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #79
Not necessarily. JimDandy Oct 2012 #73
Staples and Stapled russspeakeasy Oct 2012 #12
Meh. Canuckistanian Oct 2012 #14
I hope this is true Politicalboi Oct 2012 #22
When Mitt does a takeover, he goes all the way. JohnnyRingo Oct 2012 #23
Good old TMZ AspenRose Oct 2012 #24
I found article about the divorce marlakay Oct 2012 #26
No wonder she wants to unseal. Bad blood against Robme. But, it may fit into the women's issue Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #33
He Lied In Testimony Saying The Value Of Staples Was Far Below What Was True Which Means...... Guitarzz Oct 2012 #52
I think so too.. dooner Oct 2012 #59
This is the only sensible thing that I have read on the whole thing grantcart Oct 2012 #63
That doesn't seem election shattering. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #35
It May Have A Detrimental Effect If It Is Found Money-Boo-Boo Lied Under Oath Guitarzz Oct 2012 #54
Even the republics know Romney's a liar. Won't stop them from voting for him. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #62
omg "Money Boo Boo"..Hysterical ! Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #78
If Romney lost 1% of the women's vote that he currently has, it would be pnwmom Oct 2012 #66
If it caused 1% of women to switch votes, HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #102
Women voters won't like this. I think you're onto something. pnwmom Oct 2012 #65
Romney perjured himself by undervaluing the company while he was working to take it public! Cassotto Oct 2012 #71
This is a salvo being fired over the Trump tower. truthisfreedom Oct 2012 #27
looks like it's already been unsealed. defacto7 Oct 2012 #28
If the teabaggers and talibornagain don't care about Newt, Rudy, and all the other Repuke affairs... HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #30
that's what I thought. Think it has something to do with whether or not they were Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #34
It's not about the crazies. It is about all the undecided voters that may R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #37
I'm sure the undecideds already know rmoney is a liar. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #104
This isn't about adultery, it's about perjury Wednesdays Oct 2012 #61
Romney being a liar is old news...not a game-breaker. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #103
No Chance the rest of MSM covers this -- It Hurts Romney boingboinh Oct 2012 #38
Something murky when Stemberg continues to support Romney even though he had his wife. LiberalFighter Oct 2012 #42
That's why I think its about something else connected to the divorce. LisaL Oct 2012 #43
Perhaps it wasn't the wife. Bigleaf Oct 2012 #48
I think that's a big and dangerous assumption Texin Oct 2012 #84
Hmmm -- first the Rethugs start insisting that Gloria Allred has dirt on Romney rocktivity Oct 2012 #47
why is this anything out of the ordinary for gopper politician? Whatever it is. olddad56 Oct 2012 #60
could be they hired a forensic accountant who found the settlement was based on fraudulent info tomm2thumbs Oct 2012 #67
OK-This is going to be big!! Article about divorce case from 2008....... Cassotto Oct 2012 #68
How "big" can today's news, if there is any, be if this was reported in 2008? onenote Oct 2012 #83
That sounds about right, old Mitt told to low ball Staples stock price happyslug Oct 2012 #87
It would be delicious irony fleabiscuit Oct 2012 #69
lol dooner Oct 2012 #70
Whatever happens mimi85 Oct 2012 #72
The UK's Mail Texin Oct 2012 #80
In a case like this one, the only time a Child would be a factor is if the Child has the money happyslug Oct 2012 #86
Hmmm, this reminds me of Obama's campaign for the senate in 2004. Beacool Oct 2012 #88
Er...can you please show me where Obama has anything to do TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #89
The Boston Globe is not a RW paper. Beacool Oct 2012 #90
They're practicing investigative journalism, and that is Obama's fault...how? TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #92
It IS about Romney. It's about his testimony. randome Oct 2012 #94
The Boston Globe actually favored several liberal Republican governors karynnj Oct 2012 #101
No - it was used by his primary opponent karynnj Oct 2012 #99
Go Gloria! Megahurtz Oct 2012 #91
Mittens lied under oath re: the value of Staples magical thyme Oct 2012 #93
It's a little more nuanced than that marshall Oct 2012 #96
Well, wait a minute, then. randome Oct 2012 #97
I don't know if the term "accurate" can be applied to it marshall Oct 2012 #100
in that case, I'd say it's nothing magical thyme Oct 2012 #106

cstanleytech

(25,967 posts)
51. Thats a huge assumption Thrill
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:54 PM
Oct 2012

so since there are already plenty of reasons not to vote for Mitt I dont think those of us here on the DU should push this because imo it could come back to bite us on the ass like how those reports over Bush and his military service bit Dan Rather on his ass.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
82. This is a DIVORCE action, it has something to do with MONEY
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:07 AM
Oct 2012

Sex may be the reason for the divorce, but bitter divorces battles are always over MONEY. In this case, how much was Mitt's friend worth, how much did he earned during the marriage (and thus marital property), how much did he have BEFORE the marriage (and thus NOT Marital Property).

This would go into how much money and HOW Mitt made his money NOT his sex life.

EC

(12,287 posts)
3. Well, I wonder
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 09:51 PM
Oct 2012

he wanted that company and the divorce would be a problem I'd think. Since his interests come first I'll bet he was making back deals with their attorneys. Or something really sleazy.

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
13. BOMBSHELL: imagine a married couple going through a rough patch and reconciling!
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 09:58 PM
Oct 2012

Of course this would be controversial to the serial wedders like Newt, Trump et al.

Trump is a silly man.

Indpndnt

(2,391 posts)
44. Enjoy the pizza with your tombstone, troll. Five posts and toast.
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:26 PM
Oct 2012

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They don't make trolls the way they used to. They had semi-intelligence, once. Seems to be a shortage of any intelligence, now. [url=http://www.cosgan.de/smilie.php][img][/img][/url]

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
76. oh please... I'll bet Trump knew that the Boston Globe was going to expose their story
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:41 AM
Oct 2012

and he's trying to get there first with some 2 yr old stale-ass tripe.

Is that really the best you can do? Tragic.

nolabear

(41,846 posts)
8. I don't know I can get behind this one. Unless of course Romney did something illegal.
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 09:55 PM
Oct 2012

Getting in someone's personal life just for "juicy details" isn't a good thing.

regnaD kciN

(26,024 posts)
18. You don't have to get behind it, since you weren't voting for him anyway...
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:01 PM
Oct 2012

I want the Bible-thumping fundies and Family Values crusaders to get behind it.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
10. Oh, interesting. Sounds like the wife is trying to get it unsealed.
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 09:56 PM
Oct 2012

The question is begging.. WHY did those people get to have a sealed divorce with a gag order on it??? Guess when you're filthy rich, you can shut people up like that.

So THIS is why Trump is supposedly going with the divorce story tomorrow.. to try and counterbalance this story.

Interesting.. so WHAT was Romney's role in that divorce?? I doubt he had an affair with the wife, as the ex husband is still supporting Mitt?? Maybe he had a relationship with the husband. Anything is possible.

fleur-de-lisa

(14,612 posts)
19. I think the paper, the Boston Globe, is asking for the details . . .
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:02 PM
Oct 2012

to be released from a gag order. I don't think it's the wife.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
31. The Boston Globe has a solid reputation has one of the best newspapers in the country.
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:14 PM
Oct 2012

They are not known for going for cheap shots. There is more than smoke here if the Globe is involved.

Indpndnt

(2,391 posts)
45. True, but there has to be something more. The ex-husband spoke at the RNC.
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:32 PM
Oct 2012

He is, reportedly, a close friend of Willard. So, if Willard was not having an affair with the wife (I really don't even want that possibility in my brain!), what could he have said that was sealed? And if he DID have an affair (NOOOOOOOO! ACK!!! [url=http://www.cosgan.de/smilie.php][img][/img][/url] ), how is he besties with the ex-husband? What kind of deal went down to have THAT outcome?

Cha

(294,889 posts)
49. I know..intriguing for now. I would think
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:45 PM
Oct 2012

the Globe actually thinks this is all worth it..and, not some Al Capone Vault event?

Indpndnt

(2,391 posts)
58. Since it's the Globe and not a tabloid, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:08 PM
Oct 2012

And hope it's worth it. I'm not expecting anything useful, just something mildly interesting. But, hey! I'm willing to be very, very wrong, if it means we get something sensational.

flamingdem

(39,294 posts)
50. Maybe he had an affair with her sister, someone related, and it all came out in the dirty laundry nt
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:49 PM
Oct 2012

Indpndnt

(2,391 posts)
57. Ack! More images I don't want in my head!
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:07 PM
Oct 2012
Jeeeeeez. Nothing with Willard and sex. Ever. Blech!

Okay. Maybe. Or maybe he helped cheat the ex-wife out of the true value of her Staples shares since she sold them before they went public. I wouldn't put it past him, especially if there was something in it for him. Money motivates him.

Why this would be that interesting before the election, I really don't know. I'm interested enough to follow it, though.
 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
64. My hunch is that it is something along the lines you are suggesting. Mittens probably helped
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:03 AM
Oct 2012

the husband defraud the wife out of assets from their marriage or out of getting the appropriate value for the assets. Perhaps Romney thought he was just "harvesting" another company when he swindled the wife.

cstanleytech

(25,967 posts)
53. Dan Rather had a solid reputation to until he reported on a story without investigating the source
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:56 PM
Oct 2012

better and it turned around and bit him on the ass.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
29. Romney strikes me as asexual. But then again, he did have all those kids. Interesting
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:13 PM
Oct 2012

thought you had about the link between dueling divorce papers.

TlalocW

(15,327 posts)
40. It will be revealed that
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:24 PM
Oct 2012

While staying at a hotel while in town for the trial, the CEO of Staples mentioned he saw Mitt drink a Dr Pepper taken from the minibar because he was really thirsty, and there was nothing decaffeinated in it it that wasn't alcohol.

TlalocW

marshall

(6,660 posts)
56. Usually the reason fo a sealed divorce record is minor children
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:04 PM
Oct 2012

Both parties agree in order to protect the kids. Of course now the children may be grown, or siding with daddy, or the ex wife may be so mad that she doesn't care anymore about airing the dirty laundry.

It's hard for me to see how this can affect Romney. Allred is working for the ex wife, whose primary motivation is likely to humiliate her husband and possibly the rest of the family. But how does that translate to Romney?

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
75. This may vary, but that wasn't true for my divorce in Wisconsin
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:23 AM
Oct 2012

No minor children, no request of either party to seal the records. The records were sealed because sealing them is the practice of the court.

I lost records to storm damage and wanted to replace my copy of the documents which included information about continuing business/property interests that were effected by the divorce and I found out that the records were sealed. Even as a party of the divorce I had to get a judgment to look at them again.

marshall

(6,660 posts)
95. The sealed testimony in question was related to child custody
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:07 PM
Oct 2012

Though in fact all of the testimony may have been sealed, there were numerous individual filings and testimonies over several years in this divorce.

From what I'm seeing, I think it will all turn out to be a wash. If there is anything there, it's too complicated for the average person to see.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
85. Most cases are sealed, as part of the marital settlement agreement
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:20 AM
Oct 2012

Remember we are talking about big money here. The fight was over MONEY and what was earned during the marriage. Sex is at best a minor issue in a divorce (If the wife had sex, that is marital misconduct and grounds to be denied Spousal Support and later Alimony but has NO effect on division of Marital Assets).

Thus the reason for a gag order is to keep hidden from the general public how much money both sides had. In this case how much did the Husband have invested with Mitt?

Remember both sides have to agree to the GAG order, but in most cases the paying side insist on it as part of the Marital Settlement Agreement so that that person's assets are not open to review by the General Public (as in the case of most court records). Most payees agree to th GAG order, just to end the litigation and get their settlement that much faster. Thus I can see with Wife Agreeing to the Order when it was entered so she could get her settlement, but now be willing to have it open because she willy does NOT care if it is public knowledge or not. Her ex-husband may want to keep his assets secret thus will fight to keep the GAG order in place, but the wife HAD agreed to it earlier when the case was sealed AND had received something in return for that agreement, THus the Ex-husband has a good case law on his side, he paid for the right to seal the Case.

It will be interesting how the court will decide AND what Mitt did say when he was questioned as to the assets of the Husband.

onenote

(42,102 posts)
11. I really wish they would drop this
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 09:57 PM
Oct 2012

Trump is about to make an ass of himself over a divorce that never happened, and this story is just going to feed a meme that both sides are guilty of getting in the gutter.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
32. Since when is a Newspaper asking for the truth to be revealed the same
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:15 PM
Oct 2012

as the circus clown Trump taking pot shots at an Obama divorce that wasn't?

Trump is doing this for Trump more than he is for rMoney. You know his motives.


Can you say the same of the Boston Globe?

Was it wrong for the Edwards scandal to break due to the rag Enquirer publishing it?

All things are not equal, but the Repugs want you to believe that.

onenote

(42,102 posts)
36. Its being characterized as an effort supported by Obama supporter Gloria Allred
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:17 PM
Oct 2012

Whether or not that is true, its the way the story will be spun.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
79. Oh, well then, if Republicans are characterizing it, we have to just sit down and
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:31 AM
Oct 2012

accept their characterization. Look, the Republicans are also characterizing rape as an instrument of God's will. Do you really, really think that their characterizations make truth? That any crap they say must be accepted as fact by not only voters, but also by the press? Jounalism is not allowed, because Republicans make wild characterizations?
Fuck. Right wing people characterize gay people as child murderers. We do not sit down and take their libelous characterizations. No one should. Fuck them. Of course Republicans will react stongly and loudly to anything said against them. Of course they will TRY to spin. That does not mean they will be be able to spin it as they wish.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
73. Not necessarily.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:18 AM
Oct 2012

The Obama's didn't divorce and their marriage is a personal matter, whereas Romney's involvement in the Staple owners' divorce case potentially includes financial statements/testimony from him which, if fraudulent, constitutes perjury and THAT is a criminal matter. Criminal matters are in the public interest. Personal matters are where the gutter comes in. We'll all find out who's guilty of what soon enough.

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
14. Meh.
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:00 PM
Oct 2012

People get involved in their friends' personal lives all the time.

Sometimes for good, sometimes bad. Shit happens. Sometimes it gets out of hand.

This is personal stuff and doesn't involve Willard directly. Ignore it.

Unless......

JohnnyRingo

(18,530 posts)
23. When Mitt does a takeover, he goes all the way.
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:06 PM
Oct 2012

I wonder if the Staples CEO had to pay Mitt a handling fee for fondling his wife. I'm sure Mitt thought of it.

AspenRose

(14,916 posts)
24. Good old TMZ
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:06 PM
Oct 2012

I don't think this revelation is going to change anyone's minds one way or the other (I don't think Trump's will, either).

Lines are pretty much drawn at this point, and people have already started voting.

It's just going to annoy people and turn them off.

marlakay

(11,318 posts)
26. I found article about the divorce
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:11 PM
Oct 2012

look about 1/2 way down for story. Seems the wife was given 500,000 shares of stock when they divorced, sold soon thereafter at almost nothing, then staples went public and she hired lawyer to recoup some of her loss. She lost the case. Romney must have helped the husband win.


http://www.boston.com/yourlife/relationships/articles/2005/11/13/ladies_man/?page=full

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
33. No wonder she wants to unseal. Bad blood against Robme. But, it may fit into the women's issue
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:16 PM
Oct 2012

how Robme helped a guy pal keep money from a woman. But, why not just speak out about it? She can do that without the papers, can't she?

Guitarzz

(105 posts)
52. He Lied In Testimony Saying The Value Of Staples Was Far Below What Was True Which Means......
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:55 PM
Oct 2012

The Wife Got Lots Less $$$ In The Divorce Settlement.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
63. This is the only sensible thing that I have read on the whole thing
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:52 PM
Oct 2012

And if that is true then it is a bombshell and not just for the lying.

It will show again how he works against the 'little' people.

Bunch of white guys helping each other out, screwing the women and the kids.

pnwmom

(108,886 posts)
66. If Romney lost 1% of the women's vote that he currently has, it would be
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:27 AM
Oct 2012

election shattering.

And that could happen if an investigation showed that he helped cheat this woman.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
102. If it caused 1% of women to switch votes,
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:56 PM
Oct 2012

That would be offset by 1% of men switching votes the other way. Not a game-changer. And among the repuke base, they don't give a shit about Newt's and Guiliani's affairs and divorces. And they already know Rmoney is a liar. This simply isn't a election altering story.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
30. If the teabaggers and talibornagain don't care about Newt, Rudy, and all the other Repuke affairs...
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:13 PM
Oct 2012

...why would they care about this one?

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
37. It's not about the crazies. It is about all the undecided voters that may
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:18 PM
Oct 2012

be swayed by this enough to vote against rMoney before they go back into their coma.
 

boingboinh

(290 posts)
38. No Chance the rest of MSM covers this -- It Hurts Romney
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:21 PM
Oct 2012

They seem interested in helping Romney and so i see no way this story goes beyond TMZ.
I'll bet my children on that obvious prediction

LiberalFighter

(50,127 posts)
42. Something murky when Stemberg continues to support Romney even though he had his wife.
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:24 PM
Oct 2012

What type of person would tolerate that?

Texin

(2,581 posts)
84. I think that's a big and dangerous assumption
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:08 AM
Oct 2012

And why would the Boston Globe want to wade into the weeds about a divorce matter? It's beyond infidelity and divorce. There's something deeper going on here.

I think it relates to the valuation of Staples stock. If Romney testified about the stock's valuation in relation to a financial settlement between the Stemberg's, and essentially downplayed its value to the presiding judge (thereby reducing Marureen Stemberg's settlement) might that have constituted perjury under oath and fraud?

rocktivity

(44,537 posts)
47. Hmmm -- first the Rethugs start insisting that Gloria Allred has dirt on Romney
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:40 PM
Oct 2012

then Donald Trump starts hinting that he has dirt on the Obamas, and now this...a pre-emptive strike?


rocktivity

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
67. could be they hired a forensic accountant who found the settlement was based on fraudulent info
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:43 AM
Oct 2012

and they are requesting reopening it to prove that fraud, deception, deceit and falsification of records, etc was committed using evidence of newly found accounts or other hidden assets (secret overseas accounts) recently discovered that proves the agreement was entered into based on fraud

perhaps they landed on some proof of this, tax returns re-filed / reclaimed income or whatever, that can make this come back into the court for a re-examination based on fraud

may also have come up after that IRS amnesty issue allowed folks to update their assets without penalty

just thinking aloud



Cassotto

(2 posts)
68. OK-This is going to be big!! Article about divorce case from 2008.......
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:46 AM
Oct 2012

According to this article, Romney testified in 1988 that Staples stock was overvalued, saying “I didn’t place a great deal of credibility in the forecast of the company’s future.” At the same time, he was working with Tom Stemberg and Goldman Sachs to take the company public, and the deal was completed in the Spring of 1989.

From the article.......

Staples went public through Goldman Sachs but three years after Romney’s initial capital investment. “Mitt Romney says he’s prouder of this [Staples] investment than any other.” (Mister PowerPoint Goes to Washington, Mathew Rees, December 1, 2006)

The issue here, if it is not already clear, is why a primary investor in a company that Romney was about to take public and of which he later says he is prouder than any other, he downplayed in a civil divorce case

As a witness for Tom Stemberg, Romney perhaps wanted to downplay the worth of Staples because if he did this then Maureen Sullivan-Stemberg stood to gain a whole lot less from Staples equity because Romney had just undervalued her ex-husband’s primary asset in a fifty/fifty state. If Staples is not worth very much, if the judge can be convinced of that, then how much can he award in terms of shares?

More, if monies and property are communal in a marriage, why wasn’t Staples split fifty-fifty and why was Romney testifying at all, other than the fact that Tom Stemberg, clearly one of Mitt Romney’s best friends and who recently said of Romney, “I have never met a better venture capitalist [than Mitt Romney]…I suspect he will be an equally good president.” (Mr. PowerPoint Goes to Washington, Wide Awakes, syndicated).


[link:http://tantmieux.squarespace.com/cyrano-tant-mieux-articles-old/2008/2/5/a-fish-out-of-water-mitt-romney-the-wanna-be-president.html|

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
87. That sounds about right, old Mitt told to low ball Staples stock price
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:43 AM
Oct 2012

I can see it now, one day Romney saying the Stock is worth X to various investors in papers filed with the Security and Exchange Commission (SEC) and the next day saying the Stock is only worth Y in this divorce action. Which is the lie UNDER OATH?

Great ad Potential, how can you know Romney is lying under oath? Answer: His lips are moving while his hands is on a Bible.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
72. Whatever happens
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:28 AM
Oct 2012

tomorrow, it promises to be a very interesting day. Sigh, I'm already turning into a major twitterholic. Makes FB look like high school stuff, imo. G'nite to all my fellow DUers! Sweet dreams (as long as you can get the Donald out of your mind).

Texin

(2,581 posts)
80. The UK's Mail
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:00 AM
Oct 2012

said that part of the contention in the divorce (and part of of the reason why they want the records unsealed) centered around the "custody of a child." Note, not children but a child. Interesting.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
86. In a case like this one, the only time a Child would be a factor is if the Child has the money
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:36 AM
Oct 2012

Now, given the high finance we are dealing with, it is possible the Child, even as a minor, is a major stock holder of the company (maybe even staples itself, but probably a holding company) ANd thus whoever has primary legal custody of that child ends up controlling the child's stock (There are some income tax reasons to give such stock to the children, it spreads out the money among people who have lower tax rates, such moves were more common pre-Reagan tax cuts but have survived to this day).

As to the Child's custody otherwise, the age of the child is a factor but it is also possible that one parent get primary physical custody, but the other parent gets control of the child's assets. Thus I can NOT see how custody would be to big a concern in the divorce, it would be a quick one to two day hearing, with the burden being on the the side without the child. If both sides are fit parents (and I see nothing that indicates otherwise) Custody will remain as it was before the hearing started.

On the other hand a fight over the assets of the child would be grounds for a long drawn out battle bringing into question both parents ability to protect the Child's assets including testimony from Mitt if any of the Child's assets had been invested with Mitt (The Courts prefer investments in the safest investments possible, US Treasury bonds, low interest rates, but absolutely safe).

Beacool

(30,240 posts)
88. Hmmm, this reminds me of Obama's campaign for the senate in 2004.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:24 AM
Oct 2012

Wasn't the same tactic used against one of his Republican opponents?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/22/ryan.divorce/

It was low then and it is even lower now since it's not about Romney, but someone else's divorce. We should be better than that.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
89. Er...can you please show me where Obama has anything to do
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:27 AM
Oct 2012

with the Boston Globe's request to bring this issue up?

Beacool

(30,240 posts)
90. The Boston Globe is not a RW paper.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:33 AM
Oct 2012

They are obviously trying to help their candidate of choice. I think that these type of attacks hit below the belt, whether they are directed at our side or not.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
92. They're practicing investigative journalism, and that is Obama's fault...how?
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:38 AM
Oct 2012

Mittens was Governor there, claims Massachusetts as his home state--reason enough for the Globe to give him extra scrutiny. I applaud them for doing their job.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
94. It IS about Romney. It's about his testimony.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:40 AM
Oct 2012

I usually agree that we should not get sidetracked into frivolous issues but I think this is relevant since it's alleged that he lied under oath and then cashed in on that.

If that's what this is, it definitely applies to his trustworthiness.

karynnj

(59,430 posts)
101. The Boston Globe actually favored several liberal Republican governors
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:57 PM
Oct 2012

- especially Weld. They have also done a HUGE number of Scott Brown puff pieces that heap praise on him whenever he jumps even very low bars. (They have recently started to call him on his nasty campaign.)

I assume they will endorse Obama - because they KNOW how bad a MA governor he was - as he speaks of a non existant apology tour, it may remind the BG that he spent an entire year mostly out of state - trashing MA and apologizing for being its Governor - across the country.

karynnj

(59,430 posts)
99. No - it was used by his primary opponent
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:52 PM
Oct 2012

Note the date January 2004. Obama was not even the democratic nominee then. You could say that he was lucky as both a strong Democratic opponent and this Republican opponent imploded. That led to Alan Keyes entering and getting the Republican nomination - giving Obama the easiest race in the country.

Here again, this is not Obama. It seems it is the wife and the Boston Globe. As Kerry said on the night of the debate, speaking of Massachusetts, that the people who know Romney the best, like him the least. I would bet that this story - true or not - has bubbled around Boston for decades. If the accounts are true, Romney is a creep. (Note there are many things that already let me make that judgment.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
93. Mittens lied under oath re: the value of Staples
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:39 AM
Oct 2012

so his friend got off with easy settlement. Mittens and friend cashed out their stock to the tune of millions shortly thereafter.

Friend's Wife got screwed by Mittens, just not in the way ya'll are thinkin'.

When you're thinking about Mittens, think $$$$$. Because that's all that's there.

marshall

(6,660 posts)
96. It's a little more nuanced than that
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:17 PM
Oct 2012

The selling of stock is the opposite--Friend's Wife apparantly took the testimony at face value and promptly sold her 500,000 stocks. Meanshile Friend and Romney held onto their stock and took Staples public, vastly increasing the stock value. Friend's Wife was screwed--if she had held onto her stock she would have had hundreds of millions instead of just tens of millions.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
97. Well, wait a minute, then.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:35 PM
Oct 2012

If Staples wasn't public at the time of the divorce, could Romney's testimony have been accurate?

marshall

(6,660 posts)
100. I don't know if the term "accurate" can be applied to it
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:56 PM
Oct 2012

He was giving an opinion about the value of the company and the stock over time. The court could easily put an actual dollar amount on the stock at the present moment, but Romney was projecting about how much it would be worth in relation to division of assets. I don't know if it could be proven that he "lied" unless they somehow get concurrent testimony directly opposing what he told the court. It actually would speak more to his business acumen. Perhaps the Ex Wife could argue (or at least believes) that the entire testimony was a ruse to trick her into selling stock that she thought was worthless (even though she hadn't been allocated her portion yet), because if she had hung onto it rather than selling it she would have been much better off financially.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
106. in that case, I'd say it's nothing
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:45 PM
Oct 2012

Meaning that she only got 10s of millions. Meh. No sympathy from the masses there.

I thought I'd read that she ended up with very little and lost it all to illness. If she lost 10s of millions, that's her bad and nobody else's. She's just a greedy fool.

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