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Sun Jun 13, 2021, 04:38 PM

Ocasio-Cortez says Breyer should retire from Supreme Court

Source: The Hill

BY MYCHAEL SCHNELL

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) on Sunday said she thinks liberal Justice Stephen Breyer should retire at the end of the court's term, which could allow President Biden to nominate his successor and a Democratic Senate to confirm a nominee.

Pressed by Dana Bash on CNN’s “State of the Union” on whether the 82-year-old justice should retire, Ocasio-Cortez said “I’m inclined to say yes.”

“Just to be clear, you do think that Justice Stephen Breyer should retire at the end of this term?” Bash asked.

“You know I, it's something that I’d think about but I, I would probably lean towards yes. But yes, you're asking me this question so I've just, I would give more thought to it but, but I'm inclined to say yes,” Ocasio-Cortez responded.


Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/558193-ocasio-cortez-on-justice-breyer-retiring-at-end-of-term-i-would-probably-lean

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Reply Ocasio-Cortez says Breyer should retire from Supreme Court (Original post)
Omaha Steve Jun 13 OP
Mysterian Jun 13 #1
Renew Deal Jun 13 #29
SharonAnn Jun 15 #58
padah513 Jun 13 #2
Voltaire2 Jun 13 #4
NH Ethylene Jun 14 #37
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 14 #44
marble falls Jun 13 #3
Budi Jun 13 #5
Me. Jun 13 #12
Budi Jun 13 #13
mahina Jun 13 #6
Ford_Prefect Jun 13 #7
ancianita Jun 14 #32
NH Ethylene Jun 14 #38
Budi Jun 13 #8
Ford_Prefect Jun 14 #35
NYC Liberal Jun 13 #9
bucolic_frolic Jun 13 #10
JohnSJ Jun 13 #16
Me. Jun 13 #19
Earth-shine Jun 15 #52
summer_in_TX Jun 13 #11
JohnSJ Jun 13 #17
LudwigPastorius Jun 13 #26
moose65 Jun 14 #36
bucolic_frolic Jun 13 #14
marie999 Jun 13 #22
bucolic_frolic Jun 13 #24
Rebl2 Jun 13 #15
JohnSJ Jun 13 #18
empedocles Jun 13 #20
ripcord Jun 13 #21
Lancero Jun 14 #33
ripcord Jun 14 #41
Lancero Jun 14 #48
pnwmom Jun 14 #34
SunSeeker Jun 15 #53
rpannier Jun 14 #45
cadoman Jun 15 #51
SunSeeker Jun 15 #54
elleng Jun 13 #23
rpannier Jun 13 #25
peppertree Jun 13 #28
BeyondGeography Jun 13 #27
DonCoquixote Jun 13 #30
LudwigPastorius Jun 13 #31
DonCoquixote Jun 14 #42
LudwigPastorius Jun 14 #43
DonCoquixote Jun 14 #46
LudwigPastorius Jun 14 #50
Jose Garcia Jun 14 #39
DonCoquixote Jun 14 #47
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 04:47 PM

1. She's correct

I'm still not sure why Ginsburg unwisely chose not to retire during Obama's presidency.

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Response to Mysterian (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 09:47 PM

29. She is correct but it was blasphemy when the same thing was said about Ginsburg.

She should have retired in 2013-14.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #29)

Tue Jun 15, 2021, 03:20 PM

58. With Ginsburg, it was a Republican Senate majority. They would never have confirmed a Democrat.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 04:52 PM

2. I understand her sentiment but the better answer would have been no answer at all.

Stop giving right-wing news media soundbites. They'll twist this like a pretzel.

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Response to padah513 (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 05:05 PM

4. What?

It’s a reasonable question and a reasonable answer. Second guessing the right wing noise machine is nonsense.

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Response to padah513 (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 10:50 AM

37. I agree. This could be seen as pressuring him to resign.

Which is not appropriate.

She should have said something like it is his decision when to retire and she is not going to weigh in on it.

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Response to padah513 (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 12:35 PM

44. True

But they'll jump at any opportunity.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 04:58 PM

3. It's a reasonable idea and a lot of us have already at least considered it. And it isn't as if ...

... screamed it from a roof top, she was specifically answering a specific question. Was this supposed to be a gotcha question?

I wish for 15 more years of Democratic Presidents, but I think we need to plan for the worst. We need to think about safe guarding a seat from the RW. And we need to turn out every election with even more voters than last year. Contest every office down to dog catcher.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 05:05 PM

5. HUH? 😳

You know I, it's something that I’d think about but I, I would probably lean towards yes. But yes, you're asking me this question so I've just, I would give more thought to it but, but I'm inclined to say yes,” Ocasio-Cortez responded.

Sure. Ok then.

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Response to Budi (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 06:04 PM

12. All Righty THen

He better get out

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Response to Me. (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 06:06 PM

13. Yup. Or else. There's plenty more where this came from, mister!

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 05:05 PM

6. I wouldn't be surprised if Justice Sotomayor did as well

And I am a great fan. With her health and the current situation it would be wise.

Thomas, Beerbong, all those on the right too of course, sooner.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 05:10 PM

7. The question was baited and had no good answer except to use as a wedge.

The OP title makes it sound she offered the opinion rather than being led to it. That's not what happened. We need to be aware there are those who want AOC to be too progressive for prime time as a wedge to split the party.

I hear it among some local Dems that we shouldn't move too far too fast. Others are sure we haven't moved nearly quick enough or far enough. The RW has a program running to divide us beyond our own preferences and to split the party by defining the dialogues as toxic and binary.

I saw this during the hate war on progressives when anything Prog Dems said was too socialist or worse. This is NOT how we should do business.

No matter how obvious the question of Breyer's situation seems it is premature to discuss it out of hand. This was a set-up IMO.

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 05:07 AM

32. +100

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 10:53 AM

38. A more experienced politician would have known to not answer this.

Another lesson learned by AOC.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 05:30 PM

8. Did she have a private discussion with Breyer before positioning it to the media?

Just asking.

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Response to Budi (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 06:49 AM

35. It seems she was asked if she had an opinion rather than presenting one ad hoc.

CNN's Dana Bash brought up the subject during an interview on the "State of the Union" program. Bash pursued the issue
during the interview rather than AOC speaking at length.

Earlier in the interview, when Bash asked Ocasio-Cortez if she agreed with Rep. Mondaire Jones (D-N.Y.), who in April called on Breyer to retire at the end of the term, Ocasio-Cortez said, “I believe Rep. Jones has a point.”

Mondaire in April said that “there’s no question” that Breyer should retire, adding, “My goodness, have we not learned our lesson?”

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 05:34 PM

9. Ginsburg also should have retired while Obama was president and we had the Senate.

And she'd already had pancreatic cancer at the point. But anyone who even suggested that back then was swarmed with angry criticism.

Yes, Breyer should retire.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 05:37 PM

10. +1

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 06:38 PM

16. also those who should have voted in 2016 instead of not voting, or voting third party

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The only thing we have some control over is getting out the vote, and winning at least a two seat majority in the Senate

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 06:47 PM

19. Precisely

coulda, woulda, shoulda

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 15, 2021, 12:26 AM

52. I remember that she said Obama would not nominate someone as liberal as she is.

I wish I had a link for that quote. I can offer only my ailing, failing memory.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 06:03 PM

11. AOC and every other person who campaigns for Breyer to step down seems to me

to be embracing a risky strategy.

I have a stubborn streak myself, and don't like being told I should do something. (But I also can realize they're right – just depends on temperament and also if they do it in an offensive way.)

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Response to summer_in_TX (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 06:39 PM

17. It could very well have just the opposite effect.

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Response to summer_in_TX (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 09:07 PM

26. Saying this kind of thing in public may be more likely to make him...

want to stay on the job.

The Justices, who (in theory) are supposed to be unswayed by political considerations, may take extra steps to avoid that perception when something like this is suggested.


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Response to summer_in_TX (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 10:31 AM

36. She's not "campaigning"

She answered a question, but said she would have to think about it further.

It's not like she's out there screaming that he should retire.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 06:13 PM

14. The courts could be shaken up with a retirement age and a shelf life

23 years or age 84, whichever comes first. Next!

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 07:43 PM

22. It will take an amendment to the Constitution.

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Response to marie999 (Reply #22)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 08:10 PM

24. Yes

unless both parties and justices agree to some such. But if even ONE party followed it, that would be us Democrats, it would help hold onto seats appointed by Democrats. If the other party wishes to take their chances by not retiring, that is their privilege.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 06:29 PM

15. Supreme Court

Justices seem to be a stubborn (and a bit selfish) bunch, so save your breath. They will retire when they are good and ready or die on the bench.

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Response to Rebl2 (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 06:39 PM

18. +++

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Response to Rebl2 (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 07:14 PM

20. Not just Justices that seem to be a stubborn, (and a bit selfish) bunch

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 07:38 PM

21. I absolutely hate this

Decades of outstanding service to our country and now people are encouraging him to step down for political expediency, talk about respecting his service. Thanks for all you have done now don't let the doorknob hit you in the ass on the way out. Not quite as bad as the people who wanted RBG to retire, I thought they were disgusting.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 06:21 AM

33. Should they be expected to work until the day they kneel over?

Given the treatment Kennedy got when he retired, I think I sadly know that answer.

Work until you're dead, it seems, is no longer just the Republicans motto.

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Response to Lancero (Reply #33)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 11:26 AM

41. Beyer deserves the resepect of not having people tell him to get out

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Response to ripcord (Reply #41)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 08:51 PM

48. Bit of a difference between saying he should retire, and demanding he leave.

But apparently, saying he should retire is anathema to you.

Work till ya die, I guess.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 06:27 AM

34. If they care about the country more than their own self-importance, they would retire

in the tiny window here when the D's are in control of the process.

I hate to see a repeat of what happened with Ginsburg. It was so predictable.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #34)

Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:22 AM

53. Totally agree. nt

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Response to ripcord (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 06:53 PM

45. While he does deserve the respect for his service, there comes a time when you go

As harsh as that may sound to you, it is a fact.
I know some talented people who were shown the door because it was time -- either because they knew it, or it was best for the organization
I'm 57 and will soon have to accept that fact that it is time to go whether I want to or not
The Courts are part of the political system. So yes, politics does play into this
If he sits there and the republikkans take the WH in 24 and control the senate, the damage will be for another one or two generations (look at the damage Scalia, Thomas, etal have done) and he will share much of that blame
He needs to go for the good of the whole

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Response to ripcord (Reply #21)

Tue Jun 15, 2021, 12:09 AM

51. agreed--don't waste political capital and time swapping a liberal justice for a liberal justice!

Biden always goes back to politics being the art of the possible. Get productive things done, earn credibility, and let the judicial appointments come to you. One of those 9 justices _will_ pass away or retire during Biden's term. They're very old people. Wait for it to happen and make your best move then.

And give Breyer some credit as to his awareness of the political landscape. If he perceives that the country needs him to move on for political reasons he'll do it.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #21)

Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:23 AM

54. Doing what's best for the country is not "political expediency."

Breyer retiring now would be what's best for the country.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 08:09 PM

23. :-(

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 08:14 PM

25. Nothing against Breyer, but... prefer not to have another Scalia or RGB situation

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Response to rpannier (Reply #25)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 09:40 PM

28. +1

There are only 9 of them - and a majority of 5 carries almost as much power as a parallel presidency.

"Despots in robes," as Jefferson so aptly warned.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 09:37 PM

27. Obviously

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 09:55 PM

30. normally this woudl be risky

but we saw Mitch slam dunk Amy before RBG was even buried. We need to rob the trumpkin of a campaign issue, considering they dram, of someone like a Ted Cruz to put the nail in the coffin.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #30)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 11:17 PM

31. Would we even have the 51 votes to confirm a good replacement?


You know, after the shit that Manchin and Sinema have been pulling.

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Response to LudwigPastorius (Reply #31)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 11:48 AM

42. we wpul;d havbe a bnetter chance now

than in 2021 if Trump manages to steal the oval office

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #42)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 12:29 PM

43. Trump is not going to somehow become the president this year.


He is much more likely to be filing appeals to stay out of prison.

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Response to LudwigPastorius (Reply #43)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 07:33 PM

46. famous last words

I never thought he would get elected dogcatcher of Queens, much less President. There are a group of people who would vote for him even if he promoted turning over all affairs to Putin.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #46)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 09:48 PM

50. There is no constitutional mechanism for Trump to become president until 2024.


If he is able to somehow illegally seize power in the next 6 months, we all will have much larger problems than a Supreme Court Justice retiring.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 10:57 AM

39. Maybe Sotomayor and Kagan should as well

They can be replaced by healthy 25-year old lawyers.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #39)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 07:34 PM

47. to be fair

I love those two, but if I knew that we coudl get in people who would spend 50 years, I would..this court is set to do damage for a generation or two.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #39)

Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:44 AM

55. No, they can't. n/t

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 11:22 AM

40. IMO, Breyer is less likely to positively respond to this type of call.

He stridently believes that the court is above politics, and that politicians and justices can only delegitimize the court by acting or appearing to act in a partisan manner.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 09:25 PM

49. I agree with her.

Indeed, Obama felt the same way about RBG and quietly tried to nudge her in that direction. It's not about disrespect and it's not even about political expediency. At this point, I feel that it is a matter of saving our democracy. I fear Breyer thinks that such fears are overblown. I think they are grossly understated. We are in a state of crisis and we need the Biden/Harris administration to be more than just a bandaid. We need a court that will help preserve democracy, not one that will torpedo it.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue Jun 15, 2021, 07:02 AM

56. Immediately

If Moscow Mitch gets the Senate back he will deny a nomination to Biden from 2022 on.

We know this now.



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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue Jun 15, 2021, 02:35 PM

57. She's 100% right

Especially after McConnell's latest threat.

Mind you, it's not like she demanded it as the media and some here will imply.

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