New video shows rioters attacking Capitol police

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Last edited Sun Jan 10, 2021, 06:27 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: msnbc.com

Weekends with Alex Witt

New video shows rioters violently attacking Capitol police with crutches and flags. Terrorism analyst Jim Cavanaugh explains what the video shows about the tactics and motive of the group.

Video at the link(Warning graphic violence):

Read more: https://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-alex-witt/watch/new-video-shows-rioters-attacking-capitol-police-99231813585

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No waiting for impeachment. Impeachment all day, every day on a privileged resolution. Also invoke the 25th amendment. Congress can use the 25th to remove and does not need the cabinet or the VP for implementation.

Prosecute to the fullest extent of the law anyone and everyone in the mob or in any way involved with this revolt.


From Section 4 of the 25th Amendment:

or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-25/

[Yeehah]

1. I'm just amazed that someone so clearly cowardly, selfish and incompetent as Trump

has inspired these imbeciles to ruin their lives.

[C Moon]

15. That's a great point. It's possible some of them will be put away for life.

Although, I'm not going to hold my breath. I recall how many judges the RW put into place.

[bronxiteforever]

2. Kick and recommend for visibility.

This is truly horrific.

[LiberalLovinLug]

3. OMG

[FreepFryer]

4. How is it that the 25th doesn't require the VP?

The language of the amendment seems very clear in this regard.

[stopdiggin]

5. it is (nt)

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7. It does provide an option for congress to remove

Please see my response in this post

[stopdiggin]

9. thank you

(always appreciate informed opinion and info)
I read this that Congress may perform a role as "tie breaker" -- (in case of a disputed 25th declaration) -- and the other provision being a body (or mechanism) "which Congress may provide" (and, to date, Congress has made no other provisions for implementation of the amendment)

Edit: A "committee" such as Jeffries suggests would need to be enacted and empowered by further legislation (no?)

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6. I watched an interview

with Congressman Hakeem Jeffries. In it he explained the legalese of the 25th and that congress can form a special committee to invoke the 25th. So, I searched for an online copy of the 25th. Here it is (I bold typed the part of section 4 that explains how congress can invoke):

Twenty-Fifth Amendment

Section 1

In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Section 2

Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Section 3

Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

Section 4

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-25/

[FreepFryer]

8. U are misinterpreting the 25th.

Jeffries didn’t say what you think he said.

The VP does it w the cabinet, OR with a congressional body.

It’s not the VP and the cabinet OR just a congressional body.

If the VP decides, he can work w congress to define that alternate body, rather than the cabinet.

But only the VP invokes the 25th.

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10. Ok, well I am reading what I read

and you can misinterpret your reading. I think the amendment speaks for itself. It's clear to me. And I wasn't hearing things either. And oh, what if by chance there is no VP?

[FreepFryer]

11. your assertion the VP is not required to invoke the 25th is patently false

So u are saying the VP decides, or doesn't decide? Based on what congress wants? Your interpretation makes no sense.

The VP decides to invoke and then it’s him n the cabinet or him and a congressionally defined body. Either way he’s in the mix for clearly obvious reasons.

[bucolic_frolic]

13. I'm not sure they want or need to fast track this

Removing Trump could prompt more insurrection. They've told us he hasn't talked to Pence, Pence has talked to Biden, Trump is going way down to south Texas on Tuesday. Keep him busy, run out the clock. Until the threat of violence is controlled, just inch along and be glad of any progress. Impeachment in February or 100 days from now, as has been discussed, will have more evidence behind it, and there's time to tell the truth to the public. I don't think we're there yet.

[muriel_volestrangler]

14. You missed the word "Thereafter" which starts the paragraph you quoted in the OP

That's what means that the preceding paragraph, in which the VP leads it, must come first. If there is no VP, then no one starts the process.

[bucolic_frolic]

12. Lame interviewee

'3 in 10' are radicals' the rest just supporters and believers. Looks to me like those surrounding the action were egging them on and did nothing to stop it. Accomplices all of 'em.

[onetexan]

16. Where the hell was the sargent of arms Sund while his men were being attacked?