Biden Opens Up Huge Lead Nationally
Source: Political Wire
A new Public Religion Research Institute poll finds Joe Biden leading Donald Trump in the presidential race nationally by 14 percentage points, 54% to 40%, if voter turnout looks similar to 2016.
However, if voter turnout is higher (70% turnout), as multiple indicators suggest is likely, Biden leads Trump by 18 percentage points, 56% to 38%.
Read more: https://politicalwire.com/2020/10/19/biden-opens-up-huge-lead-nationally/
lastlib
(23,376 posts)I want a beat-down for the ages!
Inablueway
(56 posts)calimary
(81,597 posts)Auggie
(31,232 posts)callous taoboy
(4,595 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Holy crap!
VMA131Marine
(4,159 posts)An 18% Biden win in the popular vote with 70% turnout would translate to a margin of ~25 million votes. It would be about the same % margin that Reagan beat Mondale by in 1984 (58.8% to 40.6%), but that election only had 53% turnout and the winning popular vote margin was 17 million votes. Mondale, as you will recall, won 13 EVs from his home state of Minnesota and DC. I would guess that one of the reasons for the low turnout was Dems staying home because it was obvious before the election that Mondale was going to lose badly. Its telling how polarised the country has become that, even if Biden wins the popular vote by 18%, Trump would still probably get well over 100 EVs and win at least 10 states.
rpannier
(24,350 posts)And probably somewhere between 150-200 evs
Trump will get at least 17 and perhaps as many as 22 states. He can win Ohio, Iowa, Texas, and North Carolina and still lose; but if he loses either Florida or Pennsylvania the fat lady sings and it's all over!
Vivienne235729
(3,391 posts)Have a 99% chance of taking the EC.
Norbert
(6,043 posts)if these numbers are at the same level two weeks from now. I would love to see people voting for Biden/Harris because they want to vote for a winner. I hope Biden will have coattails effect for the down ballot races too.
is what I want to see.
kiri
(802 posts)We have no inkling of how voter suppression will succeed. There is the 70,000 "trump Army" out there to do intimidation, poll watching, now burning ballot collection boxes. And national polls matter nothing--it is all to do in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Florida. Altho some optimists report Biden ahead marginally, it is pretty iffy for the Electoral College and rethug tricks and legal filings up the wazoo coming up.
Gore lost in 2000. This could happen again.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,928 posts)I've missed that story.
Lock him up.
(6,955 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)gab13by13
(21,494 posts)but I remember 538 saying a 7 point lead relates to a 93% chance of victory.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Lasher
(27,673 posts)I don't know how this equates to Biden's % chance of victory, but feel free to extrapolate like the wind!
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/
Lucky Luciano
(11,267 posts)Since it is not, the odds can change between now and Election Day thus costing Biden a few percentage points in the odds.
quakerboy
(13,923 posts)The R's are not doing themselves many favors right now in any arena of public discourse
Lucky Luciano
(11,267 posts)quakerboy
(13,923 posts)We dont vote during covid.
We dont vote in massive recordbreaking early votes
We dont (hopefully) break turnout records
We dont vote when one of the candidates is so bad that he has literally put our country in a position to fail.
Hopefully most Americans understand there is nothing traditional about this election
IronLionZion
(45,637 posts)Dems have improved recently in many close races.
calimary
(81,597 posts)MASSIVELY important. If Bidens going to succeed, he has to have a Senate thats got his back.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)We need the Senate.
KS Toronado
(17,457 posts)I pray McTurtle loses reelection.
calimary
(81,597 posts)And if he takes Lindsey with him that'd be even better!
bucolic_frolic
(43,488 posts)The Biden campaign is a juggernaut, even more so then Obama. Obama campaign answered every charge within 24 hours and seeded the media with messages for the next few days. Biden campaign has held its powder and is now accelerating into a short 2 week home stretch. They may have the magic to drive Trump's numbers into the 30s. Joe's speeches and messaging are controlled, firm, unambiguous, politically polite, and in Trump's face. A standard Biden tecnhique seems to be throwing issues and words back at the opposition without ever mentioning Trump's name. How did he close in NC Sunday? 'science over fiction, and we choose truth over lies'.
That is devastating. And perhaps most of all, Joe Biden seems to be enjoying it. He is the real deal.
Cosmocat
(14,587 posts)He was about my fourth choice or so, but I told people at the outset he would have appeal and defended him all along.
But, he is in a place I never imagined.
Incredible clarity, calm, confidence and decency.
Been touched by god.
bucolic_frolic
(43,488 posts)It's one thing to run like Obama, and select good people. It's another to manage them well. Is the Biden operation his long term staff, or upper level consultants? Maybe they ran Obama's campaigns? Joe was VP after all. This time it's like there's better synergy, he's like Obama with more spine. The aviator sunglasses and signature '70s sideburns are iconic images. The ties, from what I've seen, are blue or black, and white stripes. It all echoes an earlier halcyon era, almost like FDR's cigarette holder and black 1900 top hat. This campaign was put together by very smart guys!
Cosmocat
(14,587 posts)I know LP is not his campaign, but when you have 77 year old Joe Biden completely fitting in to an add jamming the Beastie Boys Sabotage ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=SW86jyTsYe4&fbclid=IwAR1BoSV9xJ2b42ULWEOEdpkfYdIK_JSNImCHyg7eHXWBCv-X47W4aKtMBj4&app=desktop
Johnny2X2X
(19,271 posts)So it's a valid data point to me. Poll average is almost 11, that's where Biden probably is right now.
scipan
(2,366 posts)Amazing. Could be an outlier though. I'll wait for the next polls.
PatrickforO
(14,604 posts)They will have a
from the American people!!!
roamer65
(36,748 posts)It will be a mandate for getting rid of the filibuster, adjusting the size of the SC, decriminalized MJ, safe and legal abortion...
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UncleNoel
(864 posts)Now to the polls for the real votes for a Democratic Tsunami.
AZizzy
(13 posts)Think of how many down-ballot democrats who had a decent chance of winning did not win because so many Dems stayed home. Every election cycle has to be a full court press. School board members become municipal officials become state legislators become congressional reps. My entire adult life Ive seen us cheat ourselves of quality candidates at every level.
NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)An avalanche of sanity.
JDC
(10,146 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,254 posts)Nationwide doesn't matter. Thanks to the Electoral College, our president is chosen by swing voters in swing states.
Turin_C3PO
(14,139 posts)if Biden is ahead nationally by more than 4 points, its a very, very, small chance that he loses the electoral college. Its possible but very unlikely.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,254 posts)NorthOf270
(290 posts)Botany
(70,643 posts)Trump is not picking up any new voters but he is now steadily bleeding people
who voted for him in 2016.
His Shit Show/Bund Rally yesterday in Nevada might play with his base but it doesn't
get him any new voters and it chased away some a lot of his prior voters.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214312773
According to one of my late father's friends, a political scientist, Trump has a 25 to 30%
base that will never leave him. He has told them it is OK to use the n****r word again.
Farmers who have had to plow their crops under because Trump lost China as a market
who once were a reliable voting block some of them are voting Biden or not all, seniors in
Florida & Arizona who are trapped in their houses because of the virus are not voting Trump,
people who have lost their jobs are not voting Trump in 2020, suburban white college educated
women who voted 55% for Trump are done with him, and African Americans are going to vote
for Biden and Harris in as big or larger #s then they did for Obama in 2008 & 2012.
SWBTATTReg
(22,205 posts)and vote this thug out of office, and for those that are still supporting trump and his sick ways, I can't wait to throw this into their damn faces, being that they've throwing this in my damn face for far too long, and being gleeful about it too.
And did you see the remarks about trump moaning about Biden using 'science'?
What a moron. And how did trump, as dumb as he is, ever hang onto his money inherited from his daddy? I kind of suspected that trump is bankrupt, and now even more so, I suspect very strongly that he is indeed bankrupt (at least he is bankrupt morally).
BobTheSubgenius
(11,580 posts)These numbers are fantastic, in more ways than one. The most obvious, of course: a harbinger of Blue Tsunami. The other is that, the larger the margin of victory the smaller the cover for literally stealing the election, andor claims of voter fraud.
I'm just picking a number out of the air, and it may be inflated,(I HOPE not) but who could claim a win when they're on the downside of an 8 million vote loss? I don't think that's an impossible goal at all.
gab13by13
(21,494 posts)I know you're not allowed to bet on politics in the US but Vegas has Biden winning. I also checked overseas where you are allowed to bet and Biden is the odds on favorite there too.
Money talks.
paleotn
(18,014 posts)Vote like the election hinges on YOU!
joewicker_TX
(73 posts)I hope everyone is going into this like Biden is down by 10.... complacency handed us this national nightmare to begin with.
VOTE LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT
Lock him up.
(6,955 posts)kairos12
(12,901 posts)safeinOhio
(32,754 posts)As we know Democratic voters are voting early by mail. That sets up a perfect storm for bad weather on that date in the Bible Belt.
roamer65
(36,748 posts)God I hope so... lol
Ligyron
(7,645 posts)We want Dump to experience the agony of an historic ass whoopin' the likes of which have not been seen since Reagan. It's been raining like a hurricane here today in Palm Beach County as the first day of early voting is in progress which will continue until Sunday, Nov 1st.
I Don't know how that effects either candidate's total today but there were an awful lot of people lined up early way before the polls and the heavens opened up. It's stopped now and there will be plenty of other days and chances to vote here in Dump's new home town where he's going to lose hugly to Biden even here locally.
BlueWavePsych
(2,641 posts)Vote 'em all out.
samsingh
(17,604 posts)We need to unite behind Biden, the candidate who loves America. This will send a message to the world that America comes first. Make traitor trump lose by over 25 points and hundreds of EVs. This will let the world know not to mess with the US.
Earthshine2
(4,044 posts)It's not enough for Joe to win. We need to win everything from local dog catcher to senator.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)MarianJack
(10,237 posts)...remember Tom Dewey and the fact that we have a news media that Would be all to happy to equate Dolt45 to Harry Truman.
#notmypresident
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