17-year-old arrested for murder and fleeing state after Kenosha shootings that left two dead
Source: Independent
Total story, 1:20 pm eastern US time
A 17-year-old Illinois resident has been arrested by police for the murder of two Wisconsin protesters on Tuesday evening.
Kyle Rittenhouse of Antioch, Illinois, was arrested by the Antioch Police Department on Wednesday.
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Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kenosha-protest-shooting-kyle-rittenhouse-jacob-blake-a9690326.html
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)But whyyyyy did be he go in the first place and whyyyy didnt the cops ask him to just go home early on instead of thanking him
Aerator
(189 posts)He might have a self defense case for the 2nd and 3rd shooting but the first shooting was nothing but 1rst degree homicide
rzemanfl
(29,566 posts)oldsoftie
(12,583 posts)At least not in GA you cant.
Midnight Writer
(21,780 posts)madville
(7,412 posts)It all depends on the first incident. The second victim was attempting to hit him with a skateboard and the third had drawn a handgun as he approached him from the videos I saw. Quite a mess either way from a self defense standpoint.
NickB79
(19,257 posts)He has no right to self defense from them for trying to make a citizen's arrest for murder.
madville
(7,412 posts)The second and third shootings will be judged on the basis of the first. If the first was an unlawful homicide, the second and third are easily criminal as well. If the first is viewed as self defense, then an argument can be made that the second and third were self defense as well.
It will all come down to how the first shooting incident is viewed at trial based on the evidence. If the verdict on the first is guilty then he has no valid self defense argument for the second and third.
NickB79
(19,257 posts)I haven't heard much of anything about what went down with the first shooting.
Is it standard to try him sequentially, for each murder as they occurred?
madville
(7,412 posts)The only one Ive seen was from across a parking lot and they were behind some cars, cant really see what is going on prior to the shots.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)BadGimp
(4,017 posts)IronLionZion
(45,494 posts)These delusional people might think of themselves as supporting the police and fighting against lawless rioters or whatever. They never think of themselves as contributing to the problem of violence.
I would steer clear of such people. I hope nothing bad happens in the big march on Washington this Friday
VA_Jill
(9,992 posts)he was looking for trouble. WTF was he doing up there? And where were his parents? Did they even have a CLUE where he was or what he was doing? I bet we'll hear "Oh, he's always been such a GOOD boy. We had NO idea!" Meanwhile, there's a picture circulating of the punk as a little kid, posing with, you guessed it......
according to most recent reports, his mommy drove him up to kenosha
VA_Jill
(9,992 posts)should be charged as an accessory. She's as guilty as he is.
apnu
(8,758 posts)He can't own or possess a rifle at 17. If they try that it will fail in a second.
Happy Hoosier
(7,367 posts)then there is no reason for people to NOT go to an opposing rally, provoke a fight, and then just start shooting. What kind of country are we living in?
This kid came there.... WITH A GUN.... to do exactly what he did. MURDER.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)lolz
Kaleva
(36,325 posts)"Open carry is legal for any person who is 18 years or older who is not prohibited from possessing a firearm under state and federal laws."
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/wisconsin-gun-laws-what-you-need-to-know/
Johnny2X2X
(19,095 posts)This kid is a terrorist and should do life without parole.
AZ8theist
(5,487 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)still_one
(92,325 posts)Fla Dem
(23,723 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:09 PM - Edit history (1)
Fla Dem
(23,723 posts)brush
(53,815 posts)that weapon, which makes it a bigger problem for his parents. A lot of people are in trouble over this as he's killed two people. One reason why 17-year-olds aren't allowed to own that weapon. Their brains, as far as responsibility and good judgment, haven't completely developed yet.
patphil
(6,196 posts)He obviously carries a whole load of hate in his heart, and a little more brain development ain't gonna change that. That kind of hate and violent behavior is most often taught to the person by adults around him.
He just needed a trigger event to allow him to pull the trigger.
You don't cross a state line ready for combat if the decision to commit an act of violence hasn't already been made.
Unfortunately these kinds of decisions are emotional and not rational. No amount of brain development is going to change that.
brush
(53,815 posts)like I said, are in big trouble because he's still under their care. And who provided that weapon to that under age kid? Even if he took it without permission they are still liable.
Lock him up.
(6,939 posts)Remote + teevee + guns (illegal possession and carry? who cares about laws: the fascist IMPOTUS whines how much he's a VICTIM of bad ''fake news'' daily... wanna help him feel better... )
at 17... watch FOX NEWS every night... get BRAINWASHED with LIES for political gain (desperate gains...)
RICO the massively deadly tRump MOB
Over 180,000 confirmed victims of its cRiminal negligence for desperate political gain and counting
dhol82
(9,353 posts)During training he didnt have resistance. He didnt have people who really wanted to disarm him.
Poor brainwashed puppet. Hope he gets life in the slammer. Otherwise he comes out with a bigger chip on his shoulder.
Dan
(3,579 posts)As to whether or not he should be charged as an adult.
hibbing
(10,103 posts)Lunabell
(6,105 posts)They'll probably buy him some burger king and give him cigarettes.
Alacritous Crier
(3,816 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)and supersize it all
Bayard
(22,123 posts)TeamPooka
(24,242 posts)obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)TeamPooka
(24,242 posts)don't want to stop that.
moriah
(8,311 posts)I always thought it actually taught that killing people was entirely correct, if that person "needed killin'".
And it's a very easy jump to make, if you think killing people who are not directly threatening your life in that moment is sometimes the correct course of action, to decide that a person "needs killin'".
Besides, the appeals process in death penalty cases often costs more than what it will cost to give him 3 hots and a cot for the rest of his likely long life. We'd have plenty of room and money to lock up such violent offenders as long as necessary if we stopped locking people up for non-violent drug offenses, too.
slumcamper
(1,606 posts)Miigwech
(3,741 posts)Turbineguy
(37,361 posts)The hallmark of a failed state.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)AZ8theist
(5,487 posts)dhol82
(9,353 posts)IronLionZion
(45,494 posts)although he probably will claim self defense since unarmed people look dangerous to a paranoid idiot looking for an excuse to kill people
videohead5
(2,181 posts)He is not allowed to own a fire arm.
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)Minimum age for open carry in the state of WI is 18. He was from Antioch, IL just a couple miles South across the IL border.
apnu
(8,758 posts)There will be a very large book to throw at him.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)This kid will be very lucky if he ever walks freely in fresh air and sunshine again.
getagrip_already
(14,816 posts)It shouldn't ruin his whole life they will say......
Is he scheduled to speak at the rnc yet?
sprinkleeninow
(20,254 posts)getagrip_already
(14,816 posts)It will become the new right wing defense.
12over
(63 posts)one must be 18 in Ill. to purchase a long gun.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)probably took Daddy's vehicle as well. I wonder what his Daddy is like? I'll take a wild guess and say "Trump Humper". I could be wrong though, it's happened before.
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)sandensea
(21,650 posts)Written all over him.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)Fingerprints, gun powder residue? It's certainly not because he's terrified of contracting the COVID-19 virus.
sandensea
(21,650 posts)More proof that the little shit was, in fact, put up to this.
Midnight Writer
(21,780 posts)SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)who needs enemies? I'm sure the police love them. They can do the shooting and then the police can stay clean.
Alliepoo
(2,225 posts)I guess that only applies if youre white. Wonder if maybe the BLM people should wear blue gloves too. That would really confuse the cops and the militia jerks. Saw video of this little arsehole walking right up to a police car with his gun hanging on him. Couldnt help but think if that was a black man they wouldve shot him dead.
Midnight Writer
(21,780 posts)Since this kid is underage for carrying a gun, and the cops talked with him, gave him a water, but did not challenge him, I wonder if the cops will be liable. The kid looks obviously underage.
Traildogbob
(8,790 posts)obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)And is on their side. You can even see him showing his gloves to cops in one of the videos. It's why the cops gave these terrorists water and tahnked them for their help.
That is also on video.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)hydrolastic
(488 posts)Second reference to this video today, where is this video where they give them water?
Aristus
(66,436 posts)Because evidently, they give you a reduced sentence for that...
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)after the shootings and not one police officer even questioned him, let alone detain him.
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)before he killed 2 protesters.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)A Black man would have been killed in a hail of gunfire no matter what he was doing.
hydrolastic
(488 posts)Third reference to this video today, where is this video where they give them water?
standingtall
(2,786 posts)Seems to me if your going to have a Militia you should at least be able to screen your members to make sure their old enough to carry a firearm.
still_one
(92,325 posts)SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)militiamen in Illinois are hiding their most treasured weapons. Wife, car, house............. eh. Gotta' protect their 2nd amendment rights though.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)roamer65
(36,747 posts)I want to see the Rittenhouse family homeless on the streets. Complete failure of parenting.
Yonnie3
(17,462 posts)SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)"Putting myself in harm's way". Fucking little racist piece of shit! Then he runs away. Chicken shit little bastard.
Traildogbob
(8,790 posts)Take him to McDonalds for a burger on the way to jail? All the Dylan Roofs have been called to action. Open season, target practice on blacks. But its OUTSIDE the Beltway, right Meadows. Nobody really cares out here, so laws are meaningless.
I really wish every black athlete in every sport college and pro did a season boycott until justice starts applying. All the whites making billions on sports, may get a little more concerned. I would like to see every Green Bay Packer hit the streets with their bats to welcome the proud BOYS.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)Un-fucking-believable. These are "republican values". This is the republican platform.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)They're boycotting the game in Milwaukee as we speak! Good call.
Traildogbob
(8,790 posts)Made my day. Thank for the heads up. OK Packers, what ya got?
irisblue
(33,018 posts)Source--https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/26/illinois-teen-charged-homicide-kenosha-protest-case/5633334002
An Illinois man suspected of killing two people and wounding a third during a third night of protests in Kenosha has been arrested and is now jailed in Lake County, Illinois.
Court records show Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, has been charged there as a fugitive from justice. That document, reviewed by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, said he faces a first-degree intentional homicide charge in Kenosha County.
The warrant referenced in Lake County records is not yet listed in Wisconsin online court records. Law enforcement officials have called a news conference for 1 p.m. today in Kenosha to discuss the overnight incident.
Based on Wisconsin law, Rittenhouse would be charged as an adult.
More at source
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)That little prick should never be allowed to see the outside of a prison cell for the rest of his life.
Alliepoo
(2,225 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)ace3csusm
(969 posts)letting a murder walk right by ... It shows what cowards they really are when someone else has a gun...THey need to be removed asap
there is nothing that indicates the police knew a shooting had happened.
there are two different videos... one of the shooting, and one of him approaching the police.
There is no indication of how far apart in time or physical location those videos were taken.
The shooter walking past the police could have been hours later and miles away.
Bengus81
(6,932 posts)Two of them drive by, he approaches a cop car with his assault rifle and hands up for awhile and they do nothing. If they can shoot a black guy in the back for breaking up a domestic dispute then they sure as hell could have stopped that little PUKE and asked him WHY he's walking around brandishing an assault rifle.
The shooter, clad in jeans, a green T-shirt, blue gloves and white ball cap, is then seen heading north toward several police tactical vehicles, his arms raised, according to video footage. The tactical vehicles drive by him toward the victims lying on the ground.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)... yelling to those nearby police that he just shot people!
Some vehicles then moved forward to check on the victims, presumably, but the armed kid just passed by!
12over
(63 posts)the only videos i've seen are two separate ones.
if there is one continuous video... I'd love to see it.
here it is in one shot...
https://www.tmz.com/2020/08/26/vigilante-rifle-owner-cops-kenosha-wisconsin-militia-water-shooting/
chia
(2,244 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20
I don't know where this is in the timeline though
Although I found this:
"It appeared there was a shooting before the chase. "
https://heavy.com/news/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse/
ace3csusm
(969 posts)This is what happens when cops become friends with gun groups ... I think all departments need to start filtering out any cop who is involved with these groups ie Proud Boys, Boogolos etc and remove them from the force ... How would public feel if black cops where are blood and crip members would they be okay with that....
Clear as day. If there was a Black man out there brandishing an assault weapon he'd be shot down in a New York minute.
actually there is a lot of video showing they knew a shooting just took place - protestors were screaming at the cops telling them that he had just shot people. my son & his group were there - the cops & white supremacists were boxing protestors in shortly before the killings happened.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Try him as a adult.
2naSalit
(86,743 posts)Used to have a relative living there. Kind of wannabe rural suburb-ish.
Voltaire2
(13,109 posts)Not a good idea.
His self defense angle is going to be very difficult to establish as he traveled to Wisconsin with his guns to the protests and then set out to shoot people.
If he lived in the area of the protests he might have been able to lie his way into self defense.
Evolve Dammit
(16,754 posts)kimbutgar
(21,174 posts)You know they didnt want to arrest him. I am so pissed at law enforcement now and how they are turning into MF45s fascist militia since the police unions were given a thumbs up.
AllaN01Bear
(18,327 posts)call them by their real name " terroists "
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irisblue
(33,018 posts)Please oh please show me my explosion.
Thanks in advance
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)Rittenhouse said. "And part of my job is to also help people. If there is somebody hurt I'm running into harms way. That's why I have my rifle because I need to protect myself obviously. I also have my med kit."
Translation: I love playing the super hero, plus maybe I'll even get to shoot somebody. That stuck up girl can't help but notice me then.
paleotn
(17,938 posts)that I suggest the death penalty as just punishment. This is one of those rare cases. Fry his ass.
Oh....and the little white bread MFR's should realize, they're not the only ones with guns.
Gothmog
(145,479 posts)VA_Jill
(9,992 posts)Not old enough to have a gun, brought it across state lines, and murdered someone. And he'll probably get charged as a juvenile because he's white.
irisblue
(33,018 posts)He f-ed up his life forever.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)Vinca
(50,300 posts)It's pretty disturbing to know that teenagers can roam the streets of a city with military weapons and it seems it's no big deal anymore.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)Being extradited from IL to WI
SunSeeker
(51,634 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,135 posts)Linda Ed
(493 posts)Why on God's Green Earth would a parent allow a 17 year old high school student to have an AK15 in the first place? I mean what the hell is wrong with these parents?