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Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:09 PM

House sets up Monday hearing to hear evidence on Trump impeachment

Source: The Hill

The House Judiciary Committee will hold a hearing on Monday morning to receive presentations of evidence from investigators as it moves forward with crafting articles of impeachment against President Trump. he Thursday announcement came hours after Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) formally announced that the House is drafting articles of impeachment. It also comes the day after the House Judiciary Committee held a hearing with constitutional experts to discuss whether Trump's efforts to pressure the Ukrainian government to investigate his political opponents amounted to impeachable offenses.

Monday's hearing, which will start at 9 a.m., will feature presentations from staff counsels for both parties on the House Intelligence and Judiciary committees. "The facts are uncontested: the president abused his power for his own personal, political benefit at the expense of our national security, by withholding military aid and a crucial Oval Office meeting in exchange for an announcement of an investigation into his political rival," Pelosi said in her statement earlier Thursday.

With Democrats eyeing a vote on articles of impeachment before Christmas, the House Judiciary Committee could move as soon as later next week to send articles to the floor for consideration. Under the rules established for the impeachment inquiry, the president and his counsel will be invited to attend and observe the presentations. The president's counsel may also ask questions.

The White House declined to participate in this week's hearing, but did not rule out taking part in future ones. At Wednesday's hearing with the constitutional experts, Democrats gave the clearest sign yet that they are eyeing three possible articles of impeachment: abuse of power and bribery, obstruction of Congress and obstruction of justice.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/473177-house-sets-up-monday-hearing-to-here-evidence-on-trump-impeachment



Was trying to find a different source but most had this House Judiciary scheduling item buried in their stories related to Pelosi's statement this morning.

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Reply House sets up Monday hearing to hear evidence on Trump impeachment (Original post)
BumRushDaShow Dec 5 OP
underpants Dec 5 #1
BumRushDaShow Dec 5 #2
Zambero Dec 5 #3
BumRushDaShow Dec 5 #5
cstanleytech Dec 5 #4
BumRushDaShow Dec 5 #6
cstanleytech Dec 5 #10
BumRushDaShow Dec 5 #12
Progressive Jones Dec 5 #13
BumRushDaShow Dec 5 #14
Progressive Jones Dec 5 #15
BumRushDaShow Dec 6 #16
Progressive Jones Dec 8 #17
BumRushDaShow Dec 8 #18
Progressive Jones Dec 8 #19
in2herbs Dec 5 #7
louis-t Dec 5 #8
BumRushDaShow Dec 5 #9
Karma13612 Dec 5 #11
Polybius Dec 8 #20
BumRushDaShow Dec 9 #21

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:12 PM

1. I know they won't send anyone....

but for a brief second I pictured Rudy being there.

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Response to underpants (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:13 PM

2. Maybe they can get Parnas in there

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:30 PM

3. Roger Stone!

With or without prison garb.

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Response to Zambero (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:31 PM

5. ....



(he's waiting for his pardon I'm sure )

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:31 PM

4. Pelosi needs to drag this out like the Republicans dragged out Benghazi especially since

the majority of them in the Senate have made it clear that they have zero intention of honestly considering the evidence for impeachment when it is presented.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:41 PM

6. The only way they could do that is if they approached it like a mob case

with RICO.... And even then, the depth and breadth of criminality is so great, that they will lose the public (which is apparently what happened with the Mueller report thanks to the media and Barr) - just due to all the web of corruption.

So there won't really be a "pay off" at the end compared to what would have happened if this were being done in a court of law. I.e., in this case, the jury is "fixed", regardless of what evidence is presented, and the time spent would have all been for naught (other than documenting for history's sake) - at least from the House process' perspective.

What really needs to ratchet up (although the courts are somewhat lagging on this) are the state cases - notably NY. Getting some kind of criminal indictment from NY would bolster the criminality being discussed during an impeachment trial and that might help sway the public.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 02:00 PM

10. Benzhazi was not a RICO case though and the Republicans were able to drag it out for years so it

should be possible for Pelosi to figure a way to drag this out long enough to prevent the Republicans in the Senate from being able to spin their vote not to convict him in spit of the evidence before the election.
Mind you they will try to do so but it will make it alot of harder and it will force the Republican party as a whole (including Fox News which is their PR arm) to divert resources that they could have used in other areas.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 07:30 PM

12. A big difference here

is that the Benghazi hearings weren't impeachment hearings so whatever they eventually dragged out to a final report was designed tp be a smear job but would not have anything actually meaningful attached to it. Whereas this is a formal impeachment, which is a whole other animal. And what makes it worse is that despite the media being trashed and abused and having credentials pulled by the current WH occupant, they have no love for liberals and will continue the "both sides" narrative. And just like they muddied the waters with the ACA, they have been hard at work muddying the waters with this impeachment process.

But as a note - there is nothing stopping them from continuing to investigate, Benghazi-style, any other things because certainly the emoluments issue is a HUGE HUGE deal that they are still gathering evidence for (e.g., getting copies of those taxes), and one of the primary ones in charge of that is Maxine Waters.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 08:26 PM

13. As far as "losing the Public" goes...

The Public doesn't vote on the Articles of Impeachment. We (the Public) can certainly petition our Reps to vote one way, or another, but that's as far as our say goes.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 08:41 PM

14. Well that's the thing - the public CAN petition their Senators

particularly at town halls... That was happening pretty regularly leading up the 2018 election and we saw the results. There are several vulnerable GOP Senators who (knowing that the GOP in general will not convict) could vote to to do so anyway and that would help by not giving the media even more fodder to write about how "partisan" this process is.

Basically the media manages to help break down our democracy by bean-counting and emphasizing labels vs looking at what our society should be standing for.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 10:05 PM

15. I guess my point was that

we can't be worried about TV ratings, so to speak.

There has been a big effort, especially from RW media, to paint the proceedings as "boring".
"Nothing to see here, folks. Move along".
Well, law can be boring. That's the way it is. The Dems in the House are doing what needs to be done.
Saving our democracy is more important than high TV ratings.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:26 AM

16. Agree with everything you say

but wanted to emphasize that it's not just the RW media painting it as "boring". The rest of it is doing it too because many are too lazy to actually do some historical research rather than push back against some of the bullshit being promoted - like the obsession over "holding a formal vote to authorize the impeachment inquiry" and other nonsense. They never looked at the history (no such vote occurred with the Johnson impeachment). And since our politicians are unfortunately tied to "polls" and those "polls" reflect what responders have "heard" as the narrative (which has been manipulated by the RW loons and parroted by the rest of the MSM), then you get some of the hesitation from our representatives when it came to what is going on now.

Fortunately my own congressman has been all-in from before day one!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 06:40 PM

17. Yeah, I'm proud of my Congressman on this. He serves on Intelligence. Rep. Raja K. nt

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Response to Progressive Jones (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 06:46 PM

18. One of my sisters lives in Mary Gay Scanlon's district & she is vice-chair of House Judiciary Comm.

And Scanlon is a brand new congresswoman as of 2018 and got there thanks to us finally fixing our gerrymandered districts here in PA!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 09:43 PM

19. Very Cool nt

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:45 PM

7. For the other hearings I have gotten up at 4 am to make sure the outside chores were done so I could

watch the hearings which have started as early as 7 am. I have a previously scheduled matter on Monday which means I'll miss this important hearing. I guess I'll have to watch the reruns. Bummer.

I would like to see the book thrown at him but I think limiting this impeachment motion to issues related to Ukraine is a good decision. Drag it out too long and the idiot public will lose interest. Include too many facts involving the many of his violations and the idiot public will tune out entirely. The public's attention span is short. Get it done quickly and moved to the Senate.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 01:12 PM

8. The Senate will never convict, he will claim he is

"innocent" and "exonerated". Fox will trumpet him as a hero.

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Response to louis-t (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 01:15 PM

9. Basically

which is what I hope many DUers who are hanging their hats on this realize.

HOWEVER it needs to be done for historical purposes and it will leave a permanent mark no doubt. It'll be up to NY state to do their best for the remedy being sought.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 04:35 PM

11. A TV series.

I wish someone with a great nack for screenwriting would come up with a weekly show that would somehow get across all the impeachment machinations to the American people. Do it in a light hearted, but educational fashion. Maybe it has to be done at the level of a Freshman in high school. This just might get thru to Trumpís base.

Iím not holding my breath tho.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 10:16 PM

20. Any idea when the actual impeachment vote will be?

And the start of the Senate trial?

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Response to Polybius (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 9, 2019, 04:26 AM

21. I don't think they are near that point yet

Some of the pundits have estimated that they might try to draft the articles and and get them voted out of committee to the floor for debate by Christmas so that a final vote can happen by the end of the year and the Senate trial (depending on the whims of Turtle) would start some time in January.

An issue that will get in the way is the Continuing Resolution for government funding that expires December 21st, so getting appropriations passed and signed becomes the perfect performance vehicle by the WH to try to scuttle the votes.

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