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Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:30 PM

New Sexual Misconduct Allegation Against Brett Kavanaugh Emerges: NYT

Source: Daily Beast/with link to NY Times


Audrey McNamara
Reporter
Updated 09.14.19 9:47PM ET /
Published 09.14.19 9:39PM ET

A New York Times investigation into Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s time at Yale University has uncovered another allegation of sexual misconduct that was previously unreported. Max Stier, a Yale classmate of Kavanaugh in the 1980s, reportedly said he saw Kavanaugh with his pants down at a dorm party where his friends pushed his penis into the hand of a female student. Stier notified senators and the FBI about the incident but it was not investigated, according to the Times, which cited two officials who have spoken to Stier about his account. Stier’s story echoes that of Deborah Ramirez, who came forward during Kavanaugh’s confirmation process alleging that he had pulled down his pants and thrust his penis at her during another party.

During his Senate testimony, Kavanaugh, who has denied the sexual misconduct allegations against him, said that if Ramirez’s story were true, it would have been “the talk of campus.” The Times cites several people who had indeed heard of the incident, with two classmates saying they had heard about it from fellow classmates just days after the party occurred. Any investigation into Ramirez’s account was limited by strict limits set by the Republican-controlled Senate. Of the 25 individuals that could corroborate Ramirez’s story, and who were directly provided to the FBI by her legal team, none were interviewed.



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Judi Lynn Sep 14 OP
Me. Sep 14 #1
sharedvalues Sep 15 #29
RockRaven Sep 14 #2
volstork Sep 15 #10
RockRaven Sep 15 #14
sharedvalues Sep 15 #30
volstork Sep 15 #35
sharedvalues Sep 15 #40
volstork Sep 15 #43
struggle4progress Sep 14 #3
LeftInTX Sep 15 #22
Judi Lynn Sep 15 #23
sharedvalues Sep 15 #31
Judi Lynn Sep 14 #4
InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 14 #5
cstanleytech Sep 15 #17
BadgerMom Sep 15 #19
sharedvalues Sep 15 #32
totodeinhere Sep 15 #36
sharedvalues Sep 15 #39
totodeinhere Sep 15 #45
sharedvalues Sep 15 #53
FBaggins Sep 15 #26
JudyM Sep 15 #41
cstanleytech Sep 15 #42
JudyM Sep 15 #46
cstanleytech Sep 15 #47
JudyM Sep 15 #48
cstanleytech Sep 15 #50
JudyM Sep 15 #51
riversedge Sep 14 #6
JudyM Sep 15 #49
StevieM Sep 14 #7
Judi Lynn Sep 15 #12
RockRaven Sep 15 #15
IronLionZion Sep 15 #8
IronLionZion Sep 15 #9
SummerSnow Sep 15 #24
IronLionZion Sep 15 #28
onetexan Sep 15 #37
frazzled Sep 15 #11
Judi Lynn Sep 15 #13
DeltaLitProf Sep 15 #18
SuprstitionAintthWay Sep 15 #16
Pepsidog Sep 15 #20
Judi Lynn Sep 15 #21
Pepsidog Sep 15 #34
jpak Sep 15 #25
IronLionZion Sep 15 #27
Mike Nelson Sep 15 #33
Buckeyeblue Sep 15 #38
Doitnow Sep 15 #44
onetexan Sep 15 #52
PhoenixDem Sep 16 #54
RhodeIslandOne Sep 16 #57
BlueTsunami2018 Sep 16 #55
ripcord Sep 16 #56
Bonx Sep 16 #58
BlueTsunami2018 Sep 16 #59

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:32 PM

1. A Day Late & A Dime Short

Now we have 2 of them on the SC, Thomas & Kavanaugh

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Response to Me. (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:31 AM

29. None of this despair. Fight!

There’s still work to be done.
Call your reps.
Organize.
Go to Indivisible meetings.
Vote!

There are ways out of this, but only with grassroots pressure.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:39 PM

2. Who could have predicted a man with multiple sexual assault allegations against him

would have MORE sexual assaults in the past than previously reported?

Goddamn it I cannot tell you how much I loathe the gutless selfish political expediency of that handful of Repuke Senators who pretend to be serious and principled.

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:12 AM

10. Unfortunately,

more than just a handful. More like a chamberful...

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Response to volstork (Reply #10)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:36 AM

14. Most of them are brazenly evil and blatantly partisan. They don't even pretend to be otherwise.

I'm talking about Collins, Sasse, Flake (previously), Romney (previously and prosepctively), and so forth. The ones who claim to be motivated by something beyond naked partisanship and legalized de facto bribery -- most of them don't even bother to try these blatant lies.

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #14)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:33 AM

30. They've been coopted by billionaires.

https://www.vox.com/2016/4/14/11348780/gop-megadonors-koch-brothers

If it feels like outside groups have an enormous amount of influence on Republican groups, that's because they do. Or they at least have a huge share of the money, according to new research from Theda Skocpol, an influential Harvard University political scientist.

The Republican Party's official organs have seen the amount of money at their disposal decline by hundreds of millions of dollars. Meanwhile, outside conservative advocacy groups — mostly controlled by a small network of extremely wealthy donors — have built sprawling national political institutions with large enough staffs and financial clout to rival a weakening GOP infrastructure.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #30)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:24 AM

35. They are likely also

being blackmailed with compromising information. Collins' husband has ties to Russian oligarchs, and I'm sure there is sexual kompromat on turtle. He was apparently court-martialed for sodomy in the late 60s, something that's been conveniently deep-sixed over the years. (Not judging sodomy, just pointing out hypocrisy.)

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Response to volstork (Reply #35)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:53 PM

40. What? Really?

McConnell?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:40 PM

3. AG awards DOJ lawyers for backing Kavanaugh

ARI BERMAN

Last year, the Justice Department gave the Attorney General’s Award for Distinguished Service, the second highest honor in the department, to prosecutors who secured the conviction of Ahmed Abu Khattala, a ringleader of the Benghazi terrorist attack.

This year, the New York Times is reporting that Attorney General William Barr is giving the award to DOJ lawyers who worked “to support the nomination” of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

Former federal prosecutors blasted the news as an unprecedented perversion of justice. “What a joke,” tweeted Elie Honig, a former Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. “This prestigious award typically goes to prosecutors who make the biggest cases against terrorists, corrupt politicians, drug cartels, organized crime enterprises, etc. And now AG Barr is using it to honor… Team Kavanaugh” ...

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/09/barr-justice-department-award-brett-kavanaugh/

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:56 AM

22. Gross!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 04:15 AM

23. Incredible display of sadistic power. They're flaunting it. In the end, they will lose. n/t

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #23)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:34 AM

31. Yes. Let's fight.

Ps they are traitors to every principle America stands for

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:45 PM

4. See the full story here:

Brett Kavanaugh Fit In With the Privileged Kids. She Did Not.
Deborah Ramirez’s Yale experience says much about the college’s efforts to diversify its student body in the 1980s.



Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh during the announcement of his nomination to the Supreme Court on July, 9, 2018.CreditCreditDoug Mills/The New York Times

By Robin Pogrebin and Kate Kelly
Ms. Pogrebin and Ms. Kelly are reporters with The Times and authors of the forthcoming book, “The Education of Brett Kavanaugh: An Investigation.”

Sept. 14, 2019

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/14/sunday-review/brett-kavanaugh-deborah-ramirez-yale.html

(Sorry, I'm out of free articles at the NYT, can't post excerpts, I just discovered. The link is the correct one.)



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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:49 PM

5. Not too late to bring impeachment charges!! Do it dammit!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:06 AM

17. You really think enough Repugnants in the Senate have enough honor to actually do the right thing

for a change and convict him? They do not even have enough to be willing to rein in Trump.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #17)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:20 AM

19. Eventually

we can prevail. My anger isn’t going anywhere.

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Response to BadgerMom (Reply #19)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:36 AM

32. This is the correct attitude! keep fighting

If you’re upset about Kavanaugh what can you do?

1. Work to win the Senate— canvass, donate, phone bank.
2. Work on DC statehood, which would give Dems two more Senators.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #32)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 11:13 AM

36. It would be mathematically impossible for the Democrats to have 67 Senate

votes after the 2020 election. And that's what it would take to remove him. The best we can hope for is narrow control of the Senate after 2020 and that's not good enough.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #36)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:53 PM

39. No. Stop the despair propaganda. Fight!

Nixon went from a landslide in 72 (helped by the racist southern strategy) to 19% approval in 1974.

ANYTHING can happen in two years, IF we fight.


(Also, the next Dem pres with 51 Sen votes could just appoint two new Supreme Court judges to nullify Kavanaugh’s vote. He’d remain on the court, but his vote would be overcome by the two new judges. That only needs 51 Sen votes. So—stay positive! Can the negativity, please.)

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #39)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:29 PM

45. And if we tried that the next time the Repugs got back control of the Senate

they would do the same thing to us.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #45)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 08:30 PM

53. Yours is the Neville Chamberlain strategy: appeasement

Dems need to fight. We won’t fix this country with appeasement. Only by decisively defeating this corrupted Republican Party.


No Neville chamberlain please

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #17)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 08:30 AM

26. It would never get to the senate

It isn’t enough to believe the accuser. It couldn’t possibly be proven so many decades later. Removing him at this point will likely require something done while in office

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #17)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:58 PM

41. We need a concerted organized game plan for Dem citizens to challenge R's during town halls and

rallies. It should include insisting they respond to a question about Kavanaugh... keep it out front in the public eye. We can’t keep backing off this or their other travesties of justice, because they will keep pushing the envelope.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #41)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:36 PM

42. I thought the plan was to tie Trump around the neck of the Repugnants like an anchor?

So isn't there some risk of it blunting that effort with the voters if we switch to focusing on Kavanaugh more?

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #42)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 04:45 PM

46. Not focusing more, but accentuating the party's unethical leadership, including in their Kav votes.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #46)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 05:05 PM

47. I would be cautious with that approach then because there's a risk

of overloading people with too much information at once especially the people that were hesitant to vote for Trump the last time.
It's clear they do have limitations and might the unable to process all that much additional information.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #47)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 05:09 PM

48. I don't see that... you never know what will get through the fog, and those who have ethics on their

radar may be impacted by seeing their reps squirm when Kavanaugh is brought up in public and they have to say something about it.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #48)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 05:49 PM

50. Yeah but these are the same people who overlooked his multiple marriages, affairs, bankruptcies and

disgusting comments.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #50)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:10 PM

51. Many reported feeling he was the lesser of two distasteful choices... they believed Benghazi was an

unsavory reflection on HRC, and then the evidence revealed by Wikileaks took that feeling further. faux snooze scrambles many people’s brains, IMO. All the more reason local candidates should be forced to answer for their votes on Kavanaugh. Whenever we can show evidence/truth of R bad behavior, we should hammer it.

Yeah they voted for the jackass, but most of them didn’t necessarily dive in to the issues like we do on DU. So the importance of media coverage of all the bad acts.

You can say I’m a dreamer 🎶 but what’ve we got to lose?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 11:02 PM

6. @JoyceWhiteVance is calling for an investigation.......

Agree. weed whoever it was out.



Joyce Alene
@JoyceWhiteVance
·
1h
There must be a full Congressional investigation to determine whether someone, and if so who, gave orders that kept the FBI from investigating credible allegations & speaking to witnesses who reached out to them. We were told this was a full investigation.


?s=20

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Response to riversedge (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 05:13 PM

49. Leadership was hedging on the extent of the investigation.

There was that whole negotiation thing about whether there would even be further investigation post-testimony. Seems we were beggin for whatever they’d agree to give us, and it was largely unspecified and back room. It was an embarrassment to democracy. We really needed strong MSM coverage to get the public insisting on a thorough investigation. It was clearly truncated, totally partisan.

Yes, an investigation of the process would be great!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 11:45 PM

7. Kavanaugh was exactly the type of person who Ken Starr liked.

Starr helped cover up rapes at Baylor University.

He and Kavanaugh are two of a kind.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:28 AM

12. Didn't know that. He did always seem so creepy with his pious little smirk. Damm. n/t

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:39 AM

15. Those Baylor University sexual assault stories are MAJORLY FUCKED UP.

And by "those Baylor University sexual assault stories" I don't just mean the sexual assaults, I mean EVERYTHING about how Baylor and Starr and Starr's immediate subordinates handled them.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:06 AM

8. I'm so shocked, shocked, I tell you



I'm sure Hillary's judicial appointees would have the exact same allegations, especially if they were female. Which of us hasn't been at a party where a woman dropped her pants and thrust her vagina at our hands?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:08 AM

9. You know who doesn't have sexual misconduct allegations?

Merrick Garland

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:51 AM

24. Or Obama.

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #24)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 08:37 AM

28. When Dems take back the Senate and White House

I hope Obama is appointed to the Supreme Court

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #28)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 11:28 AM

37. being a SC justice would take too much of his time as a former president. Merrick Garland or Preet B

or another deserving left leaning judge would be a better alternative. Obama would do much more good for the rest of his life working for human rights, improving the lives of others, Dem. causes, etc. He and Michelle are a power couple for the left and we need him on the ground, not behind a SC post.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:16 AM

11. Interesting that the two women's stories ...

were made public, and denounced. The male witness’s story was suppressed.

You might ask yourself why. Perhaps it is because they knew the women’s accounts could be denigrated and dismissed. But the male’s story would hold much more sway. Again, ask yourselves why.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:29 AM

13. You hit the nail on the head. What a monstrous deceit. n/t

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Response to frazzled (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:15 AM

18. It's in the NYTimes story

The Senate Judicial Committee made a set of rules that prevented a real investigation of Ramirez' claims. Apparently not many of the 25 witnesses Ms. Ramirez listed were talked to by the FBI. And of the ones that were, their statements were not submitted to the senators on the committee. Grassley is most to blame for this. No surprise.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:43 AM

16. Our serial rapist president put an attempted rapist on Scotus, ...

both of them bent on revoking American women's right to choose abortion. Kavanaugh because he's Kavanaugh. Trump because appointments like Kavanaugh are the only reason a lot of evangelicals vote for him.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:30 AM

20. Old news

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Response to Pepsidog (Reply #20)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:34 AM

21. From the Daily Beast article at the top of the page:

A New York Times investigation into Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s time at Yale University has uncovered another allegation of sexual misconduct that was previously unreported.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #21)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:12 AM

34. Dems take control they should impeach him for all the petty lies he didn't need to lie about.

Setting aside the sexual assault allegations which I believe to be absolutely true, all the other petty lies about “Renata Club” ,”Boof” etc. should be enough to impeach him. I am about Kavenaugh’s age and went to a pretty exclusive private high school and “Boof” didn’t mean fart.
Instead of saying he was young, immature and drank to much, he put his hand on the Bible and straight out lied. Dumb, inconsequential lies that undermines everything and gives license to others to lie. For that he should be impeached because while we cannot know definitively if he assaulted the women who came forward, we do know that his other testimony about stupid things was full of lies.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 08:13 AM

25. Thank you Susan Collins

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Response to jpak (Reply #25)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 08:35 AM

27. Dems can use this to defeat her in 2020

Maine's house speaker is running for that seat. Maine is more liberal than Susan Collins.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:45 AM

33. I think this has to be said...

... there are members of the "Deplorables" that believe these stories, but don't care. They think Crooked Donald being "grabby" and aggressive sexually is acceptable. They think, "Men should be men and woman should be women." They think men behaving this was is acceptable. Women should be flattered by the attention... when a woman is married, it ends because God and her husband protects her from bad behavior. Women answer to men and men to God... that's how they feel...

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 11:48 AM

38. If I believed in conspiracies I would say...

The story (and maybe more) will come out now so that he can be replaced by someone who is probably worse. But I don't believe in conspiracies.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:13 PM

44. Isn't there any way the public can make life so miserable for Kavanaugh that he will resign. Sure, I

know nothing permeates Rethugs' brains to where shame can be found, but constant attention to him should affect something. You would think! Don't stop fighting.

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Response to Doitnow (Reply #44)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:35 PM

52. let's see if his partners-in-crime buddies Judge, Tom, PJ, Bernie & Squi dare come to his aid again

I want him AND them shamed till he resigns, and him and his complicit pack 'o thugs' reputations destroyed.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 08:12 AM

54. I hope we win the presidency and take control of the senate

in 2020 when all this can be investigated and Kavanaugh impeached

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Response to PhoenixDem (Reply #54)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 01:35 PM

57. He can be impeached right now

But without 67 Senators in favor he is going nowhere.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 08:24 AM

55. This stinks of ratfucking to me.

A planted story without any evidence or corroboration designed to provoke an overreaction and then pulled back, making the reaction look foolish. Some people rushed right in and took the bait.

Some did not.

I have no doubt that Kavanaugh is a scumbag of the highest order but you’ve got to have proof. The woman involved in this allegation says she doesn’t recall the incident.

Ratfucking.

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Response to BlueTsunami2018 (Reply #55)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 10:40 AM

56. The Times really fucked up their reporting

Failing to mention that the woman doesn't remember the incident and refused to be interviewed for the article is a fairly large bit of information to leave out.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #56)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 05:35 PM

58. I still believe her, even if she doesn't remember it and won't discuss it.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #56)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 05:44 PM

59. Yes, that's kind of a major detail to leave out.

And it smacks of intentionally provoking a reaction the way it did. Several major candidates have egg on their faces because of it.

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