Feinstein Lectures Children Who Want Green New Deal Portraying It As Untenable
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Source: New York Times
Senator Dianne Feinstein found herself in a standoff Friday with a group of schoolchildren who confronted her about her refusal to support the Green New Deal.
In a video posted by the Sunrise Movement, which encourages young people to combat climate change, an exchange quickly became tense once Ms. Feinstein started to explain her opposition to the Green New Deal, an ambitious Democratic-led proposal that calls for a radical transformation of the United States energy sector.
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The exchange between Ms. Feinstein and the children became more testy when a young woman accompanying them told the senator that if this doesnt get turned around in 10 years, youre looking at the faces of the people who are going to be living with the consequences.
Ms. Feinstein chafed at the lecture, replying that she has seven grandchildren and is mindful of the threat of climate change. A decade ago, she championed ambitious legislation that would have put a cap on emissions that cause climate-warming pollution.
Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/climate/feinstein-sunrise-green-new-deal.html
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,045 posts)oldsoftie
(12,612 posts)Just wait till '20!!
George II
(67,782 posts)oldsoftie
(12,612 posts)Just simply stopping a video at the right spot can totally reverse what the person was meaning.
Jedi Guy
(3,258 posts)It's only a matter of time. Photos used to be considered unassailable proof... and then Photoshop became a thing. Now with deepfakes, it'll be the same situation with video.
It's gonna be interesting, tell you that much.
Polybius
(15,489 posts)She had every right to say what she did. Some of the kids were disrespectful.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Because it's essential to our human survival.
oldsoftie
(12,612 posts)However, the govt should continue to fund developments into better energy sources. We CAN get mroe and more power from other sources, but we can never be totally rid of coal and gas power plants, because other than nuclear there are no other constant power sources available. And we'll never have storage capability to supply entire cities during slow times.
And of course, Americans are not willing to pay what this "plan" would cost anyway. Just like they dont wanna pay for what we ALREADY have going on
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Not ready to ever embrace IT CAN'T BE DONE as a guiding philosophy.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)green new deal is fantastic. However, I think that it is unlikely to be passed exactly as it is. For one thing, there might be some changes that make it better or as good (or even close to as good) but able to get the votes where this might not. It is also very likely that this bill is somewhat aspirational because it will not become law this Congress as it would need 2/3 rds of the legislators in both houses to override Trump's veto.
This is not a condemnation of the bill. Senator Markey is someone who has been on this issue since at least 1992 when he attended the Rio Conference. He was the sponsor of the bill the House passed in 2010. The Senate came closer than predicted, but with many Democrats from coal states against it, even though it gained some Republican support, the highest number of votes it would have received was 50 and 60 was needed. However, any big important bill should go through the committee process. That process will (in 2021 with a Democratic President) work to get the strongest, most effective bill that can pass both Houses. At that point, the energy and commitment of these kids ... and hopefully older allies will be extremely important to getting this passed.
Because it is not remotely likely that Senator Feinstein, who HAS worked on past bills and never been a vote against any climate change bill, will be the vote that kills this why on earth are they making her the enemy? The same goes for the treatment of Senator Durbin. It makes no sense to make enemies of future likely allies. It also makes sense to caution that getting a bill that will pass may mean that some elements of the bill will be changed or even eliminated. (Here is an article speaking of the 2010 Senate situation where through great effort at one point about 50 senators supported a bill. This was when there were 59 Democrats. )
It seems a no brainer that any Democratic President will rejoin (if Trump leaves in late 2020) the Paris Agreement. It is also a no brainer that she/he will reinstitute all the Obama regulations and executive orders. (I suspect that many power plants have NOT changed plans created for power plants from the Obama years. It would not make sense in most cases to build something that could require major changes in a short number of years. It might have led to keeping some plants operating a few years longer. There have been articles of coal power plants being closed or converted even in the Trump years.) I assume they will also all back legislation to restore incentives (and create new ones) to push clean energy. (They are now at a far better point than 2009 to do so as wind and solar are actually cheaper than coal. )
Other things I hope they will do is restore government funding for research on future technologies. I watched this Yale discussion with Secretaries Kerry and Moniz where Moniz spoke of Trump ending research on sequestration that the government was funding that no company could afford to do given the uncertainty of success and no other country was doing. (
I would bet that each of the potential nominees will have relatively similar positions on climate change .. and I would bet ALL of them will speak more about that and treat it as more important than anyone in the 2008, 2012, or 2016 primaries. This reflects the likelihood that the Paris Agreement and Trump's rejection of it and the advocacy of people like Gore, Kerry, and Moniz in addition to the young people so active now. When we have a Democratic president, I would assume that they will have people (secretary of energy, head of the EPA, the chief scientist - consider Moniz, McCarthy and Holden in the second Obama term in addition to Kerry at State) who will work WITH the House and Senate to get the best bill passable.
George II
(67,782 posts)...spend less time on political stunts and more time actually creating the "Deal" and introducing the legislation.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)many things - not specifically related to climate change - have been included.
Consider how much harder it will be tio get any Republican support - which COULD exist on a resolution to address climate change, if it did not meander into a list of every Democratic issue - written in a jargon that is decidedly from the left. (I AGREE with those issues, but they are NOT essential to addressing the climate change emergency.)
Consider this large section of the text:
Whereas the United States is currently experiencing several related crises, with
(1) life expectancy declining while basic needs, such as clean air, clean water, healthy food, and adequate health care, housing, transportation, and education, are inaccessible to a significant portion of the United States population;
(2) a 4-decade trend of wage stagnation, deindustrialization, and antilabor policies that has led to
(A) hourly wages overall stagnating since the 1970s despite increased worker productivity;
(B) the third-worst level of socioeconomic mobility in the developed world before the Great Recession;
(C) the erosion of the earning and bargaining power of workers in the United States; and
(D) inadequate resources for public sector workers to confront the challenges of climate change at local, State, and Federal levels; and
(3) the greatest income inequality since the 1920s, with
(A) the top 1 percent of earners accruing 91 percent of gains in the first few years of economic recovery after the Great Recession;
(B) a large racial wealth divide amounting to a difference of 20 times more wealth between the average white family and the average black family; and
(C) a gender earnings gap that results in women earning approximately 80 percent as much as men, at the median;
Whereas climate change, pollution, and environmental destruction have exacerbated systemic racial, regional, social, environmental, and economic injustices (referred to in this preamble as systemic injustices) by disproportionately affecting indigenous peoples, communities of color, migrant communities, deindustrialized communities, depopulated rural communities, the poor, low-income workers, women, the elderly, the unhoused, people with disabilities, and youth (referred to in this preamble as frontline and vulnerable communities);
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-resolution/109/text
I fully understand Senator Durbin's reaction!
ripcord
(5,537 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)Nothing in this is new.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)BUT what Dianne knows that the kids and some who are NOT kids DONT know is we have a political system where rightwing assholes have a say and they dont care about the environment.
when I say must, I dont want to hear what we can financially afford, I dont...we CANT not do something, I admit I have not read the GND and it may not be the best format, but something has to be done FAST
HAVING said that, Dianne knows the political reality and the political reality is the GOP is going to sentence us all to death
WAIT was this a hit job? Did a CERTAIN POLITICAL GROUP ran by CENK UYGER orchestrate this?
i am so FUCKING FURIOUS
Bilegurken
(58 posts)DiFi is happy with the status quo. It's served her well.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)The longest continuous job growth in US history, and the three years of fastest wage growth since BLS started keeping records. I'm curious why people are more frustrated and angry in a good economy than in a bad one.
George II
(67,782 posts)Bilegurken
(58 posts)the existing state of affairs, especially regarding social or political issues
And there is plenty wrong with. I'm sure you could ask almost anyone.
samnsara
(17,636 posts)...its a 'new' deal and it will go thru MANY many changes IF its to survive.... and people are getting chastised because they dont jump on it immediately? welcome to the real world children. You dont get something just because you want it...just ask the Parkland students. It takes time and the real world is slooooooow but that doesnt mean NOTHING is being done.
George II
(67,782 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)After reading it, I can see that the media reports over emphasize it being about climate change. It is about that AND every other issue the left has that I can think of. In addition, the organization is asking for Senators to commit to it - making it a yes/no issue. Feinstein has been good on climate change issues.
It might be that she does not think throwing every issue into one resolution is the way to get serious action. Let's say that we get a Congress that favors acting on each major issue. It may be that the coalition on environmental issues will include different legislators than the coalition that would deal with income inequality. (If you look back to 2010, 14 coal state Democrats were initially against any constraint on coal -- while there were some Republicans on board. Senator Feingold was one - and he was usually a sure Democrat on many other issues.) Every book that speaks of how Congress (used to) work speaks of the need to form those coalitions on issues. Getting enough support for a resolution - let alone a bill - that deals with EVERY issue at once, is likely not a good plan.
PatSeg
(47,609 posts)The full video is quite reasonable. I can't believe this ended up in The New York Times.
George II
(67,782 posts)obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)I am really disappointed in AOC for spreading this.
DiFi had a good back and forth with the kids, said she might vote for teh Green Deal, and offered the oldest teen an internship.
It was a set up to TRY and make her look bad, and when it didn't, they edited the video ala James O'Keefe. The Justice Dems and Cenk are NOT on oour side.
George II
(67,782 posts)had a camera crew there to record about 15 minutes. Then they sliced and diced it down to two minutes. Sleazy tactic.
HOW could she possibly say she'd vote for it? It hasn't even been written yet!!! No one has any idea what this magical "Green New Deal" is even going to contain.
It was a hit job on a Senator that they've gone on record as not supporting last year.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)JD involved?
I dont think I can take anymore of this, especially if i cant TALK ABOUT IT
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)That's something like what the Russians would do.
How can your word mean anything?
underpants
(182,891 posts)You aren't going to find much that pisses me off more than people clearly not listening and churning up their own mouth words while someone is talking and interrupting is the worst. People do it all the time and I hate it.
I get that this was orchestrated by the parents and part of that was editing but also clearly they knew they wanted to keep it as short as possible so it would be more easily consumed. At 2:19 in length they did that. The means by which they did it are horrible.
She's 85 and just got re-elected. Not that she should but she doesn't have to give many fucks anymore. Just saying.
Shemp Howard
(889 posts)To me, it looked more like the children were trying to lecture Sen. Feinstein.
That sort of tactic is usually not helpful.
RelativelyJones
(898 posts)Her record reflects this and CA sent her back to the Senate overwhelmingly. This action was a tactic to back a specific policy proposal that lacks specifics and then promoted with a manipulatively edited video. If you can't win support with the strength of evidence then maybe you need to do more homework. If this what we can expect from Justice Democrats?
Yonnie3
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