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brooklynite

(94,741 posts)
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:40 AM Dec 2018

Trump On Coming Debt Crisis: 'I Won't Be Here' When It Blows Up

Source: Daily Beast

Since the 2016 presidential campaign, Donald Trump’s aides and advisers have tried to convince him of the importance of tackling the national debt.

Sources close to the president say he has repeatedly shrugged it off, implying that he doesn’t have to worry about the money owed to America’s creditors—currently about $21 trillion—because he won’t be around to shoulder the blame when it becomes even more untenable.

The friction came to a head in early 2017 when senior officials offered Trump charts and graphics laying out the numbers and showing a “hockey stick” spike in the national debt in the not-too-distant future. In response, Trump noted that the data suggested the debt would reach a critical mass only after his possible second term in office.

“Yeah, but I won’t be here,” the president bluntly said, according to a source who was in the room when Trump made this comment during discussions on the debt.

Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-on-coming-debt-crisis-i-wont-be-here-when-it-blows-up

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Trump On Coming Debt Crisis: 'I Won't Be Here' When It Blows Up (Original Post) brooklynite Dec 2018 OP
He'll be in prison, hopefully IronLionZion Dec 2018 #1
My thought exactly. lagomorph777 Dec 2018 #9
And those who have benefited from the ill-gotten Tax Scam. Just a Weirdo Dec 2018 #14
And mine. calimary Dec 2018 #29
or burning in hell brandnewday2009 Dec 2018 #42
Welcome to DU, brandnewday2009! calimary Dec 2018 #56
the republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief has special plans to dodge responsibility Achilleaze Dec 2018 #2
He's never taken responsibility for anything... SergeStorms Dec 2018 #15
I think he has the same attitude toward the environment and climate change. Arkansas Granny Dec 2018 #3
I've noticed that attitude... SergeStorms Dec 2018 #20
Kick the can down the road RT Atlanta Dec 2018 #4
OMG, if this isn't classic trump! The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #5
In this sense, PatSeg Dec 2018 #13
Isn't this the cycle of politics? packman Dec 2018 #16
It appears so PatSeg Dec 2018 #25
the two santa clauses theory... Javaman Dec 2018 #32
Yes PatSeg Dec 2018 #48
the interesting part about it is... Javaman Dec 2018 #49
Good point PatSeg Dec 2018 #52
"My country, 'tis of me." OilemFirchen Dec 2018 #6
Bazinga! George II Dec 2018 #7
didn't gwbush say something quite like that barbtries Dec 2018 #8
I think that was President Cheney who said that deficits don't matter. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2018 #27
He did True Blue American Dec 2018 #40
Deficits matter but not the way most think CarlitosMMT Dec 2018 #47
Hopefully, they'll clean him out - seize his money and use it Jarqui Dec 2018 #10
$21,824,097,352,309.98 or $1.876T ffr Dec 2018 #11
These old guys say the same thing about climate change: Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #12
Spoken like a true narcissist. llmart Dec 2018 #17
Why is it that those salt-of-the-Earth Trump voters Blue_Tires Dec 2018 #18
I thought the national debt only counted when Democrats ruled? bluedigger Dec 2018 #19
And thats your true Fiscal Conservative at work. Mr. Sparkle Dec 2018 #21
Don't be so sure, Cheeto. sandensea Dec 2018 #22
Debt to GDP is what matters. watoos Dec 2018 #23
"I really don't care, period" (is there enough fabric to make that into a jacket that fits him? niyad Dec 2018 #24
a perfect meme to run against all republicans. THEY caused the debt problem, they shirk their beachbum bob Dec 2018 #26
Putin's plan fulfilled.. destroy the US of A. pangaia Dec 2018 #28
Disgusting and un-American...nt SWBTATTReg Dec 2018 #30
When it comes, the Republican solution will be more tax cuts IronLionZion Dec 2018 #31
Hmmm......... George II Dec 2018 #33
I swear he looks like a pelican with a beakful! eom Maeve Dec 2018 #38
How about this? George II Dec 2018 #39
Yeah...only...which one is 45???? eom Maeve Dec 2018 #41
"Apres moi, le deluge" n/t VWolf Dec 2018 #34
I hate, despise and abhor him. hostalover Dec 2018 #35
Reminds me of my father. no_hypocrisy Dec 2018 #36
Hell, that's the republican mantra! Basement Beat Dec 2018 #37
aprs moi le dluge Democrats_win Dec 2018 #43
It's not just Trump. That's what Rethuglicans do. Martin Eden Dec 2018 #44
The Debt Crisis is Fake News CarlitosMMT Dec 2018 #45
That's his policy on climate change, too. DrToast Dec 2018 #46
This is a typical Republican MO LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #50
Surprising??? NOT Power 2 the People Dec 2018 #51
Thank god for the Democratic majority in the House, who can stop more tax cuts for the rich muriel_volestrangler Dec 2018 #53
typical NastyRiffraff Dec 2018 #54
In fairness to Trump D_Master81 Dec 2018 #55
My Debt Solution modrepub Dec 2018 #57
He won't be here? He'll be gone from office, but he won't escape justice. nt Progressive Jones Dec 2018 #58
so? lakawak Dec 2018 #59
It won't be a debt crisis, it will be a currency crisis. roamer65 Dec 2018 #60

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
9. My thought exactly.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:49 AM
Dec 2018

And hopefully his ill-gotten gains will have been confiscated and applied toward the debt.

calimary

(81,507 posts)
56. Welcome to DU, brandnewday2009!
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 06:44 PM
Dec 2018

Too bad we can't sentence him to a real hell of his worst nightmares. Obscurity.

Imagine a day where NOBODY hears from or talks about, or better yet, gives a damn about trump. That will hurt him worst of all.

I'm old enough to remember when you couldn't pay people to admit they voted for Nixon. Feels like that kind of phenomenon will be playing out again - and fairly soon.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
2. the republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief has special plans to dodge responsibility
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:43 AM
Dec 2018

for the massive economic clusterfuck he and his republican cronies have set up for America.

:

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
15. He's never taken responsibility for anything...
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:12 PM
Dec 2018

in his entire life. Why start now? His dumb ass cult members believe every word the lying sack of shit says though. It's their children and grandchildren who will have to pay for it.

Arkansas Granny

(31,532 posts)
3. I think he has the same attitude toward the environment and climate change.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:43 AM
Dec 2018

As far as he's concerned, there's no future beyond him.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
20. I've noticed that attitude...
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:19 PM
Dec 2018

with a lot of christian fundies. I guess they figure jebus will come and rapture everyone when our host planet starts rejecting the parasites that have made it so sick. Putting all your eggs in that basket is a fool's wish, but that's the way they think. No need to worry for their children's and grandchildren's future. The angry daddy in the sky is going to take care of everything, because they went to church on Sundays and said grace before they ate.

RT Atlanta

(2,517 posts)
4. Kick the can down the road
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:43 AM
Dec 2018

Is what republicans do. Same with their head-in-the-sand approach to the coming climate changes whose effects will only strengthen this century.

How about repeal the effin tax cut for the rich?

How about move some of that $700-ish billion a year that is spent on 'defense' to investing in our nation (healthcare, infrastructure, education, and on and on....)?

Sigh....

The Liberal Lion

(1,414 posts)
5. OMG, if this isn't classic trump!
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:44 AM
Dec 2018

Cause a problem and let someone else pay for it.
We see what is coming, how much longer will we stay complacent?

PatSeg

(47,609 posts)
13. In this sense,
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:01 PM
Dec 2018

he is being a classic republican president. They create disaster and leave it for Democrats to clean up. Then once everything is in order, they come back and do it again!

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
16. Isn't this the cycle of politics?
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:13 PM
Dec 2018

Seems like every 4 yrs we hear -----

Dems - Poor infrastructure, environment needs help,social programs on the brink , need to raise reasonable tax bills = surplus

Reps - "We got surplus, excessive welfare" - Trickle that money down - gut all those programs

Dems - Need to increase taxes, cut now that gov. is in the hole

Rep - Dems increased taxes , vote em' out

And so it goes---

Javaman

(62,534 posts)
32. the two santa clauses theory...
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:07 PM
Dec 2018

this is part and parcel of the repuke platform to screw the public and blame the Dems.

they blow up the deficit by massive tax cuts with no way to pay for them

first santa clause "look I'm cutting taxes! love me!!"

then they blame the Dems for raising taxes

second santa clause "look the Dems are raising taxes! They hate you!!"

rinse and repeat ad nauseum.

PatSeg

(47,609 posts)
48. Yes
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 02:34 PM
Dec 2018

The same old tired routine, but unfortunately it works, so they have had no reason to change it.

Javaman

(62,534 posts)
49. the interesting part about it is...
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 02:39 PM
Dec 2018

when ever there is a recession caused by the repukes, the Dems never take advantage of it by using it again them.

we just pick up the pieces, blame a few people and "try again to fix the country"

but there are never any attacks on the two santa theory, nothing.

PatSeg

(47,609 posts)
52. Good point
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:26 PM
Dec 2018

Democrats get low marks for communication as a rule. They tend to over explain without getting to the point. Bill Clinton was an exception, as is Joe Biden. It is a skill that some people just don't seem to get.

barbtries

(28,811 posts)
8. didn't gwbush say something quite like that
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:49 AM
Dec 2018

back in the day when it was his tax cuts and overblown military budget blowing up the deficit?

rhetorical question. why are republicans so fucking shortsighted?

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,369 posts)
27. I think that was President Cheney who said that deficits don't matter.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:48 PM
Dec 2018

GWB was trying to figure out which end was up.

True Blue American

(17,989 posts)
40. He did
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:43 PM
Dec 2018

And Clinton spent 8 years balancing the budget, then the Supreme Court under Rehnquist decided to put in a Republican in a ONE TIME decision!

CarlitosMMT

(53 posts)
47. Deficits matter but not the way most think
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 02:26 PM
Dec 2018

Govt debt=non govt savings
Govt deficits=non government surplus
US federal government is currency issuer ie the monopoly supplier of the US dollar.

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
10. Hopefully, they'll clean him out - seize his money and use it
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:53 AM
Dec 2018

to pay down his debt to the country
It will be just a tiny blip towards the trillions owed because he's lied about how wealthy he is but at least he won't be enjoying it.

ffr

(22,672 posts)
11. $21,824,097,352,309.98 or $1.876T
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:54 AM
Dec 2018

Total and what has been added to the U.S. Treasuries public debt total since the fiscal conservatives took control of the U.S. budget in 2017.

Deficit spending on steroids, to mask an unhealthy economy. One that benefits corporations and the wealthy.

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/current

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
18. Why is it that those salt-of-the-Earth Trump voters
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:17 PM
Dec 2018

deep in Red State Middle America never, ever get asked about comments like this during their weekly interview?

Mr. Sparkle

(2,950 posts)
21. And thats your true Fiscal Conservative at work.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:24 PM
Dec 2018

Dont let anyone tell you otherwise or pretend to be something else

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
23. Debt to GDP is what matters.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:28 PM
Dec 2018

2/3 of our GDP comes from consumer spending. Income inequality is the real problem. Trump's tax scam giveaway to the rich is going to increase that income inequality gap. The Trump tax scam transferred more money from the bottom up. Pretty soon only a handful of people will have the majority of the wealth.

I can't wait for tax time when Trumpers find out that their 25 dollar per pay raise is going to disappear when they get back a smaller refund.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
26. a perfect meme to run against all republicans. THEY caused the debt problem, they shirk their
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:44 PM
Dec 2018

duties and democrats must fix it again

IronLionZion

(45,536 posts)
31. When it comes, the Republican solution will be more tax cuts
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:07 PM
Dec 2018

and draconian levels of austerity that have been universally proven to make it worse.

no_hypocrisy

(46,201 posts)
36. Reminds me of my father.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:29 PM
Dec 2018

6 months before he died, he refused to pay his bills and I confronted him. He shrugged and said he didn't care b/c it wouldn't be his problem when he was dead.

Basement Beat

(659 posts)
37. Hell, that's the republican mantra!
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:34 PM
Dec 2018

Every cycle of my lifetime, the Dems have to take office to bail out the country and then the repubs come in and destroy every last drop of progress. Hopefully, we can get two progressive Dems in office in a row for once.

Democrats_win

(6,539 posts)
43. aprs moi le dluge
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:58 PM
Dec 2018

That's what French King Louis XV said. The next French King, Louis XVI, met the guillotine.

I've been saying for years that we need the guillotine for the very rich GoP. Look where we are now: shenanigans by the GOP all over the map...and globe! My dear Democratic pundits keep hoping for a political solution and I keep thinking that these terrible GOP leaders (monsters one and all) deserve the guillotine.

Remember Merry Fitzmas? That was how we were going to get W. Bush and Cheney. No such luck. Now we're praising his evil father. Now we have Mueller. Already Flynn is getting off. Truly, this traitor should be locked up or find the guillotine waiting. In the end after even more GOP shenanigans, our country will probably go the way of Rwanda or Serbia. The best that will happen is that this will be held together in time for the GOP supporters to die and the socialist Millennials will take over to bring a more just world. But I wouldn't hold my breath. The American Nazis may come first.

Martin Eden

(12,875 posts)
44. It's not just Trump. That's what Rethuglicans do.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 02:14 PM
Dec 2018

They create a BIGLY mess, then blame it on the Dems who are stuck with it.

The windfall tax breaks for the ultra wealthy cannot be recovered, but if the Rethugs have their way they'll "fix" this problem of their own making by stealing the earned benefits working Americans already paid for.

CarlitosMMT

(53 posts)
45. The Debt Crisis is Fake News
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 02:19 PM
Dec 2018

The debt crisis is manufactured propaganda for the express purpose of denying Democratic spending priorities.
Our party should not perpetuate this nonsense. Those who believe in it weren’t paying any attention during the last presidency when every fake news talking point about the debt was exposed or it’s the cognitive dissonance. Anyways, if you want to be an idiot, that’s your business, but once you start trying to put public policy into action based on this nonsense your ass needs to be dealt with in the harshest ways. The funds to pay taxes and buy government securities comes from government spending, not the other way around. There is no federal debt crisis. Govt securities are nothing more than savings accounts!

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
50. This is a typical Republican MO
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:10 PM
Dec 2018

While in power, rake in as much profits for your personal investments and also your donors investments, by cutting taxes for your bracket, and reducing costs by eliminating pollution regulations, and starving watchdog institutions that police consumer safety. A recession is inevitable. They accept that the public might even get past their voter repression tactics they also laid in place while in power, because enough of a majority is disgusted by them. So even if a Democratic President is elected, they usually, with a gerryrigged map, keep the Senate, and even the House. Either way, as the full effects of their recession infects the country, it all works for them.

It works for them 2 ways.

They use their own TV network, and radio monopoly, to pound out the fake news that the new President and their party are to blame for the bad economy.

And 2, the bad economy entails a more responsible leader to forgo their more progressive promises, and they spend almost their entire terms, and budgets, just fixing the economy. Which not only hampers what they wanted to accomplish, but disappoints the D base, causing voter apathy in the vote next round.


muriel_volestrangler

(101,368 posts)
53. Thank god for the Democratic majority in the House, who can stop more tax cuts for the rich
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:29 PM
Dec 2018

which would be how Republicans would blow up the deficit. While Trump will do everything he can to keep the bribes to his fellow plutocrats that he's already enacted, at least he shouldn't be able to make it worse now.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
54. typical
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:53 PM
Dec 2018

If he doesn't have to pay the price but leaves it to the country and its citizens, he doesn't care. And if you tell a Deplorable something like this, they just look at you blankly, or say it doesn't matter. Yes, these are the people we're not supposed to call deplorables, but try to understand their "economic anxiety."

modrepub

(3,503 posts)
57. My Debt Solution
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:03 PM
Dec 2018

Cut the programs that Repubs hate so bad but apply them to the states that take more taxes than they pay. States that pay more than they get back from the federal government can keep their tax money to do as they see fit. Know this will hurt dems in those states but time to truly identify the dead beats in this country.

lakawak

(3 posts)
59. so?
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 12:01 AM
Dec 2018

And I wonder what Obama thought to himself when he increased out national debt by over $8 TRILLION with absolutely nothing to show for it.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
60. It won't be a debt crisis, it will be a currency crisis.
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 01:09 AM
Dec 2018

We are not bound by spending rules, like the EU member states.

It will be a currency crisis after the Federal Reserve steps in to monetize too much of our debt issuance. Dump the dollar will become the order of the day.

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