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laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:18 PM Feb 2018

G.O.P. Tax Cut Draining Treasury Faster Than Expected

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by muriel_volestrangler (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: Vanity Fair

One of the many things confirmed by the great tax-bill melodrama of 2017 is that Republicans only pretend to care about “fiscal responsibility” when Democrats are in power and tax cuts aren’t on the line. With the opportunity to slash the corporate rate nearly in half, cries of “I won’t endorse a bill that adds one penny to the deficit!” evaporated, and tacking on $1.5 trillion became no big deal. Tax cuts, we will soon be reminded, don’t grow on trees, and the social safety net must be pared back in exchange. For now, though, Republicans are still in the trickle-down honeymoon phase, seeing in every corporate press release more confirmation that America has been made great again. Which makes it somewhat ironic that the Treasury is now burning through its cash reserves at an even more spectacular rate.

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the federal government will run out of money even sooner than expected, thanks to the new tax legislation, which is estimated to lead to a fall in revenue of $136 billion in 2018. A default on debts had originally been forecasted for late March or early April. But now, because of the new withholding tables, “withheld receipts are expected to be less than the amounts paid in the comparable period last year.” That, combined with the fact that the Treasury generally issues a high number of tax refunds in February and March, means that the $272 billion in cash the Department had on hand as of Tuesday will quickly dwindle. If the debt ceiling isn’t increased by the first half of March, the C.B.O. cautioned on Wednesday, “the government would be unable to pay its obligations fully,” and would be forced to delay payments, default on its debts, or both.

Read more: https://www-vanityfair-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/02/the-gop-tax-cut-is-draining-the-treasury/amp

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G.O.P. Tax Cut Draining Treasury Faster Than Expected (Original Post) laserhaas Feb 2018 OP
Without notice, many people are being cut from SNAP Iliyah Feb 2018 #1
Trump is an incompetent laserhaas Feb 2018 #3
Since he's declared bankruptcy so many times, joshdawg Feb 2018 #17
I got a whole $47 BillyBobBrilliant Feb 2018 #18
Actually, I ran through my 2017 taxes using 2018 rules Old Terp Feb 2018 #29
and that is why they will try to cut social security and medicaid Botany Feb 2018 #2
GWB "hit the trifecta" and ripped off Trust funds laserhaas Feb 2018 #5
Gee, who'd a thunk it? Nt raccoon Feb 2018 #4
And this explains the Stock Market (down 380 today right now) lapfog_1 Feb 2018 #6
You were early... charliea Feb 2018 #24
it is trying to do a late afternoon rally lapfog_1 Feb 2018 #26
ya think????? niyad Feb 2018 #7
NOW it is Trump's economy Skittles Feb 2018 #8
Dow Jones down homegirl Feb 2018 #19
Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Feb 2018 #9
File this under "No Shit Sherlock." Vinca Feb 2018 #10
His buddy Putin They_Live Feb 2018 #28
So everything's going according to plan, then. alarimer Feb 2018 #11
See? Government's broken. NT mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2018 #12
It is going to hit the states soon too hibbing Feb 2018 #13
That sounds like Montana. nt Delmette2.0 Feb 2018 #14
WHAT'S HAPPENING? homegirl Feb 2018 #15
Heres info on when they stop trading: spooky3 Feb 2018 #27
The trading halts instituted by the U.S. stock exchanges don't kick in Ilsa Feb 2018 #30
The looting is going well. dalton99a Feb 2018 #16
poor governing Angry Dragon Feb 2018 #20
It is part of their plan... BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #21
You cant kill the poor - just make their lives miserable. Lucky Luciano Feb 2018 #23
Well, 45 did advocate default.... paleotn Feb 2018 #22
Republicans be like: Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2018 #25
Locking - this is from Feb 1st, over 24 hours ago, and was covered in this LBN thread muriel_volestrangler Feb 2018 #31

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
1. Without notice, many people are being cut from SNAP
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:19 PM
Feb 2018

SAD

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
3. Trump is an incompetent
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:21 PM
Feb 2018

Who probably thinks it is a good thing should the U.S. goes bankrupt.

joshdawg

(2,655 posts)
17. Since he's declared bankruptcy so many times,
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 03:13 PM
Feb 2018

he became used to it. So what if it's the economy of the United States. He doesn't care. He's made his billions and made sure his cronies made theirs.

BillyBobBrilliant

(805 posts)
18. I got a whole $47
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 03:25 PM
Feb 2018

more in my paycheck for the entire month.

Old Terp

(464 posts)
29. Actually, I ran through my 2017 taxes using 2018 rules
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 04:48 PM
Feb 2018

and they are not taking out enough to cover my 2018 taxes. Most Americans will not realize is this happened to them until after the election when they do their 2019 taxes in 2019.

Botany

(70,754 posts)
2. and that is why they will try to cut social security and medicaid
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:21 PM
Feb 2018

..... all part of the plan.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
5. GWB "hit the trifecta" and ripped off Trust funds
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:23 PM
Feb 2018

while Rilumsfeld stated (even before false trillion dollar wars) that the Pentagon had lost $2.3 Trillion..

Which the press has never sought a call to account.

raccoon

(31,161 posts)
4. Gee, who'd a thunk it? Nt
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:22 PM
Feb 2018

lapfog_1

(29,271 posts)
6. And this explains the Stock Market (down 380 today right now)
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:24 PM
Feb 2018

Because it has to do with the Bond markets...

US has to borrow more money to cover shortfalls in revenue due to tax cut.

China has decided to remain neutral on buying US debt.

US has had to raise the yield to sell the debt. Corporations also sell debt to cover short-term cash flow. They have to match the yields that the US government now offers. That increased cost will likely result in lower corporate profits.

lower expected profits... stock prices go down.

Thanks, Repukes!!!

charliea

(260 posts)
24. You were early...
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 04:25 PM
Feb 2018

12:24 pm PST:

Dow 30
25,643.66
-543.05(-2.07%)

lapfog_1

(29,271 posts)
26. it is trying to do a late afternoon rally
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 04:29 PM
Feb 2018

it was down 630 earlier.

edit to add - if this follows the pattern of "corrections" of the past... Monday will be worse.

niyad

(114,393 posts)
7. ya think?????
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:28 PM
Feb 2018

Skittles

(153,548 posts)
8. NOW it is Trump's economy
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:29 PM
Feb 2018

homegirl

(1,441 posts)
19. Dow Jones down
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 03:26 PM
Feb 2018

411 points!

Gothmog

(146,501 posts)
9. Who is surprised by this?
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:31 PM
Feb 2018

Vinca

(50,373 posts)
10. File this under "No Shit Sherlock."
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:33 PM
Feb 2018

The reason for taxes is to pay the bills. Republicans don't grasp this concept. Don probably thinks we can file for bankruptcy.

They_Live

(3,253 posts)
28. His buddy Putin
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 04:36 PM
Feb 2018

will bail us out....

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
11. So everything's going according to plan, then.
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:36 PM
Feb 2018

Cue Ryan's calls for cuts to SS and Medicare.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,976 posts)
12. See? Government's broken. NT
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:37 PM
Feb 2018

hibbing

(10,123 posts)
13. It is going to hit the states soon too
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:40 PM
Feb 2018

My idiot (inherited brazillionaire) is trying replicate the Kansas miracle. Revenue is down, so what is he proposing? Massive tax cuts to the ruling class of course and slashing any and all programs that might possibly benefit the average citizen.


Peace

Delmette2.0

(4,183 posts)
14. That sounds like Montana. nt
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:46 PM
Feb 2018

homegirl

(1,441 posts)
15. WHAT'S HAPPENING?
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 03:00 PM
Feb 2018

The Dow is down 411 points! Not sure but I think when it sinks 500 they stop trading. Will Mr. Trump take credit or will he blame, anyone but him?

Ilsa

(61,722 posts)
30. The trading halts instituted by the U.S. stock exchanges don't kick in
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 05:00 PM
Feb 2018

until the broader market gauge, the S&P 500, falls at least 7 percent, what's called level 1.

dalton99a

(81,919 posts)
16. The looting is going well.
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 03:03 PM
Feb 2018

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
20. poor governing
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 03:39 PM
Feb 2018

BigmanPigman

(51,753 posts)
21. It is part of their plan...
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 03:51 PM
Feb 2018

bankrupt and kill as many poor, elderly and sick people as possible. More will be left for them.

Lucky Luciano

(11,274 posts)
23. You cant kill the poor - just make their lives miserable.
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 04:24 PM
Feb 2018

The rich don’t remain rich unless they are rich in terms of percentile ranking!

paleotn

(18,065 posts)
22. Well, 45 did advocate default....
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 03:55 PM
Feb 2018

while campaigning. He's a deadbeat. Why not make the federal government a deadbeat as well?

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,243 posts)
25. Republicans be like:
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 04:26 PM
Feb 2018

muriel_volestrangler

(101,491 posts)
31. Locking - this is from Feb 1st, over 24 hours ago, and was covered in this LBN thread
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 05:18 PM
Feb 2018
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141976701

Please continue discussion there, or repost in GD. Thanks.
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