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Thu Oct 12, 2017, 07:24 AM

Clinton: 'I certainly didn't' know about Weinstein's alleged assaults

Source: Politico




By LOUIS NELSON 10/12/2017 07:14 AM EDT

Former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said Wednesday that she “certainly didn’t” have any knowledge of Democratic donor and Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein’s alleged history of sexual assault, telling CNN that she plans to give money he donated to her to charity.

"I was appalled. It was something that was just intolerable in every way," Clinton said. "And, you know, like so many people who've come forward and spoken out, this was a different side of a person who I and many others had known in the past."

Clinton and other Democrats have condemned Weinstein in recent days following reports in The New York Times and The New Yorker that the movie mogul had allegedly made unwanted sexual advances on young women in Hollywood for years. The former secretary of state said she and other Democrats were unaware of the allegations against Weinstein, a longtime donor to Democrats and liberal causes.

"I certainly didn't, and I don't know who did," she said. "But I can only speak for myself, and I think speak for many others who knew him primarily through politics." The former secretary of state said she gives 10 percent of her earnings every year to charity and that donations from Weinstein will be a part of those donations.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/12/hillary-clinton-harvey-weinstein-243704

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Reply Clinton: 'I certainly didn't' know about Weinstein's alleged assaults (Original post)
DonViejo Oct 12 OP
LonePirate Oct 12 #1
justhanginon Oct 12 #3
7962 Oct 12 #2
ismnotwasm Oct 12 #5
samnsara Oct 12 #26
JonLP24 Oct 13 #87
videohead5 Oct 12 #6
7962 Oct 12 #7
videohead5 Oct 12 #8
ismnotwasm Oct 12 #9
7962 Oct 12 #10
tenderfoot Oct 12 #14
emulatorloo Oct 12 #21
tenderfoot Oct 12 #22
JHan Oct 12 #62
JI7 Oct 12 #24
ehrnst Oct 13 #100
Rollo Oct 12 #48
7962 Oct 12 #78
7962 Oct 14 #123
JHan Oct 12 #51
7962 Oct 12 #79
JHan Oct 12 #81
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stonecutter357 Oct 12 #67
JonLP24 Oct 12 #12
Eliot Rosewater Oct 12 #52
InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 12 #70
emulatorloo Oct 12 #19
Eliot Rosewater Oct 12 #53
leftofcool Oct 12 #60
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InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 12 #68
AtheistCrusader Oct 13 #92
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videohead5 Oct 12 #73
lapucelle Oct 13 #113
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MrsCoffee Oct 12 #25
AtheistCrusader Oct 12 #36
Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 12 #37
Sunlei Oct 12 #38
LiberalLovinLug Oct 12 #40
JHan Oct 12 #54
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 07:47 AM

1. Why did the media help ensure her defeat and then treat her afterwards as if she had won?

She is not president and it’s disgusting how the media expects her to be and act like a president even though she has stated she is not going to run again.

The media’s Clinton-Weinstein connection obsession is shameful and repulsive. It’s even worse considering the blind eye they are turning with regard to the crimes and misdeeds of the White House’s current occupant.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 07:55 AM

3. Yes!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 07:54 AM

2. She should just stay quiet because thats an unbelievable statement.

Most of Hollywood knew about him. Rose McGowan won a settlement from him 20 yrs ago. Other women spoke out about him. He was the subject of jokes about him & young actresses. A friend, who was a mid-level actress, even told me jokes about Harvey and his actions. https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/seth-macfarlane-says-harvey-weinstein-oscars-joke-came-from-a-place-of-loathing-and-anger-a3656671.html
Years ago.

Sorry, but "I had NO idea!" doesn't pass the smell test
And shouldn't she give Weinsteins money as a totally separate donation to charity?

I'm sorry, but these men in power who prey on women just trying to get work just get under my skin and I hate when people act like its such a surprise when its not

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Response to 7962 (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 08:09 AM

5. No, Hillary does not need to stay quiet

Jesus. Just a few days ago, I was reading “why isn’t she saying anything” —

Politics and Movie stars might go to the same charities galas, but that doesn’t mean they know one another well, or about one another

So. You are saying Hillary is lying? Just to clarify?

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:03 AM

26. i support this woman more and more everyday...

...just because of the shit she has to put up with.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 08:11 AM

6. You are assumimg she knew

Hillary does not live in Hollywood...there is no reason to believe she knew anything about it.I have no problem believing her.

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Response to videohead5 (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 08:15 AM

7. Please. She moved in those circles for years. Raised a ton of money there too.

Hollywood was a staple for a long time. Again, it was KNOWN for years the type guy he was. Look at that video clip. w
Well-Known actresses commented on it.
And its not just HRC, its anyone who stayed involved with this guy.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 08:22 AM

8. Not Really

Yeah they held fund raisers but did not live in Hollywood...Hillary flew in for a fund raiser and flew out.if she knew that means someone told her about it.I believe her period!

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Response to 7962 (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 08:27 AM

9. Please. You are making accusations without a shred of proof

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 08:41 AM

10. OMG the Clintons were a celebrated part of Hollywood since '92!

She didn't live in a bubble. These stories have been out there for 30 years! Its like Cosby; the stories were there for years, but at some point it blows up. Except Cosby was a tiny issue compared to Weinstein when it came to power.
It would be more amazing if she NEVER heard anything about him.
Its something how so many will give a pass to someone as long as they're one of ours.
Read Anthony Bourdains comments on her interview; he puts it pretty well.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 08:56 AM

14. The responses to Bourdain are even better

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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:34 AM

21. Well done. Bourdain's a bit of a loud-mouthed asshole. unless it is about food his 'opinions' are

worthless

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #21)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:39 AM

22. He's getting his ass handed right back to him on Twitter

and it's glorious.

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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #22)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 06:01 PM

62. I love how he got dragged over it..

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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:52 AM

24. Many of those guys and the industry supported Hillary Clinton.

maybe she should apologize for what they did .

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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #14)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:00 PM

100. Thank you. (nt)

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Response to 7962 (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:46 PM

48. Nonsense. Even Weinstein's own assistant didn't know of the sexual predation...

Harvey did a good job of hiding it from nearly everyone. If a close employee didn't know, how the hell would Hillary know?

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Response to Rollo (Reply #48)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:07 PM

78. Yeah, he thought it was "consensual philandering". What else WOULD he say?

"I knew it all along"? NOBODY will admit to knowing anything. Not even those who set up the women for him

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Response to Rollo (Reply #48)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:42 AM

123. Weinsteins CONTRACT allowed for sexual misconduct! Yet its all a surprise......

You read that right, his contract specified that HE pay any settlements for any sexual lawsuits. And that he pay the COMPANY a large sum every time he did it!!
ALL this was common knowledge to anyone remotely related to the industry.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 05:45 PM

51. You're engaging in classic sexism.

you're blaming Hillary Clinton for the behavior of men who happened to have donated to her campaign. Unpacking her statement, trying to dissect it, trying to figure out if she's lying or not as if she is responsible or complicit in his behavior. It's disgusting.

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Response to JHan (Reply #51)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:13 PM

79. The blame lies with him.

I've never blamed HRC for any of his actions and to try to stretch to that is laughable. NONE of my words put any blame on her. Period.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #79)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:45 PM

81. you're implying complicity

By assuming she is lying - "how could she say she did not know when everybody knew?" - insinuating that she should have said something when you think she knew.

Everyone knows sexism exists in Hollywood, that sexual harassment exists in Hollywood - it exists everywhere. I've even read stories of child stars abused by powerful people in Hollywood, but are we to track every contribution these harassers or harassers in general have ever made to a politician and accost them with "you knew didn't you?!" Where politicians are concerned I'm more interested in what laws they implement to protect workers , but I for sure don't expect them to know all the details of their donors.

and are you going to pepper Obama ,or Biden, with the same intensity you have HRC? When did Obama know and why didn't he say he knew etc etc? Where does it end? obsession with HRC's response here is no different to Trump's stunt to shame her in the second debate - where she is pointed to and harassed for the behavior of men.

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Response to JHan (Reply #81)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:43 PM

108. Yep. (nt)

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Response to 7962 (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 06:12 PM

67. Fox and RWNJ's agree with you....

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 05:46 PM

52. you say that as if you are surprised it is happening (but I know you arent)



jesus, dont know about you but I am getting so fucking sick of it.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 06:17 PM

70. Precisely! Unless there's contrary evidence, I give her the benefit of the doubt in this situation.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:25 AM

19. This is not a "Hillary Scandal" no matter how bad you and Republicans want it to be.

It is not a "Democrat Scandal" either.

Stop carrying water for the rightwing.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 05:47 PM

53. Who on DU said "democrat scandal?"

That is a rightwing talking point and using the insulting version of the word as well

Anyone who would say that on this site should be reported

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 05:55 PM

60. Any excuse to bash Hillary

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Response to 7962 (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 05:54 PM

58. You might wan to do some research on this

And please, stop using this as an excuse to bash Hillary. We are sick of it.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 06:15 PM

68. Unless there is specific evidence Hillary knew and didn't say anything...

I think she should get the benefit of the doubt. It's a little unfair to assume the worst in this case.

After all, Hillary was caught by surprise by Bill & Monica's extramarital relations... so why assume she would know about Harvey Weinstein's sexual misdeeds?

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #68)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 12:33 PM

92. People get suspicious when they see a pattern.

It's a survival mechanism, actually.

We just had a thread last week about Weinstein throwing Nathan Lane into a wall at Hillary's birthday party in 2000. It's quite natural for people to think Hillary would know that Weinstein is (at least) a supreme asshole.

It's one of those unfortunate guilt by association things, and it happens ALL THE TIME in politics, so we shouldn't really be surprised that some people would make the leap beyond Hillary knowing or should have known that Weinstein is an asshole, to assuming Hillary knew about more, with all these allegations coming out and all these people in the business saying they knew.

Doesn't mean Hillary actually knew. This is one of the downsides of the politics of personal association. You can, right or wrong, be smeared by the actions of others, when you lean upon their power and influence. Happens to Republicans. Happens to Democrats. Happens to Libertarians. Happens to everyone. And sometimes it's same-team infighting that comes of it.

Nihil sub sole novum.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #92)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 08:19 PM

117. I hear what your saying... people always making assumptions about others, especially around here.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 08:01 PM

73. What about Obama?

You are saying Hillary should've known but not Obama when they went to the same fundraisers.

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Response to videohead5 (Reply #73)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 05:04 PM

113. Which would probably also mean

that Michelle Obama "knew", along with Joe and Jill Biden.

And since Senator Sanders also appeared at big dollar donor retreats and events for the DSCC when he was running for senate in 2012, wouldn't the absurd "guilt by association" canard possibly extend to him as well? After all, these charges go back many years.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-regular-luxurious-dscc-fundraising-retreats

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/sanders-democratic-fundraisers/index.html

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Response to videohead5 (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 06:07 PM

64. I believe Hillary unless and until evidence surfaces that she did know.

I think that's only fair.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:53 AM

25. These men who blame everything on Hillary get under my skin and I hate when people act

like she is their serial scapegoat.

They are the ones that should just stay quiet because all of those statements condemning her for someone else's actions are ridiculous.


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Response to 7962 (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 11:41 AM

37. I will blame Hillary Clinton for a whole lot of things

but I seriously doubt she was privy to Trump style locker room talk with Harvey Weinstein and then decided to keep quite about it.

Hillary Clinton wasn't sleeping off Hollywood parties on Ben Affleck's couch, she wasn't gossiping at casting calls.

There are a number of people I have had professional contact with, some for many years who "I had NO idea!" were engaged in some extremely distasteful activities.

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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #37)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 11:48 AM

38. Thank you, + a gazillion

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Response to 7962 (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 01:19 PM

40. You are most likely correct in that I'm sure she knew he was probably not a boy scout

Its laughable and frankly insulting to her to think someone as smart and aware as she did NOT know about the stories and settlements going back decades.

BUT, I disagree that she should have remained silent, because that would only incite ruminations by the right that she knew, and accepted money anyways and now is hiding. (yes yes Trump was even worse, but Republicans are like toddlers, they have short attention spans and only think they are right and the adults in the room are always wrong)

And I also disagree with the idea that once speaking, she should have admitted she knew all along. What would that accomplish? Firstly its still unproven. Politically, its better to lie about it. Yes, I said lie. I now, am so beyond this third way strategy of capitulation and defensiveness that the Dems have used in the past decade. Its a new world of politics where obviously going high when they go low just does not work anymore. It should be tweaked: We will try to stay on the high ground as much as we can, but when they go low, we may have to go low as well. The stakes are too high to demand perfection. If there is no way to ever prove Hillary knew about Weinstein's more sordid deeds, then no reason to say otherwise, and give a story legs it doesn't have.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #40)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 05:47 PM

54. More classic sexism.

Blaming a woman for the moral failings of people who happened to have donated to her campaign. That is, in essence, what you are doing.

I would say it's unfuckingbelievable but 2016 taught me a whole fucking lot.

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Response to JHan (Reply #54)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 01:09 PM

93. What???

"classic sexism"?
Where did I in any way write anything that could be construed as blaming Hillary for the moral failings of Weinstein?

Was it where I said she was too smart of a person not to know about stories that go back 30 years that a lot of other Hollywood actresses that also contribute to the Democratic party were?

So are you saying she was not bright enough or that she was willfully ignorant? How is that better?

Was it where I supported her for speaking out when others have chastised her for doing so?

Would you prefer she just be quiet and not defend herself?

I'm trying to understand where you get that accusation.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #93)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 02:37 PM

94. you want me to repeat your own words to you?

You are most likely correct in that I'm sure she knew he was probably not a boy scout....Its laughable and frankly insulting to her to think someone as smart and aware as she did NOT know about the stories and settlements going back decades.
- in other words you think she is lying...your attempts to cover it up in nice language doesn't change the fact you're calling her a liar.


BUT, I disagree that she should have remained silent, because that would only incite ruminations by the right that she knew, and accepted money anyways and now is hiding. (yes yes Trump was even worse, but Republicans are like toddlers, they have short attention spans and only think they are right and the adults in the room are always wrong)
- They would have made noise anyway, no matter whether she commented an hour after the original report broke or 5 days.

And then you repeat that she probably lied, but you excuse it anyway using political expediency as if she could not possibly be genuinely horrified. You refuse to take her at her word and while there's all this obsession with Hillary and Democrats in general, predation in all its forms and manifestations get ignored.

I don't know whether you're a guy or a woman, but as a woman, I'll let you in on something: Sexism exists every fucking where - in politics, in entertainment, in every sphere of life. When I have to take public transport or use the subway I am subjected to it from men who feel they own the space and can tell me whatever the hell they want to tell me.

And as a girl, I was taught by society that "boys will be boys", that predation is a uniquely masculine thing that you must adapt to - if you are subjected to it, your response will determine how the action is judged. When Gwyneth and Ashley and other women stepped forward with their stories, you could see the difficult choice they had to make in an industry they wanted to be a part of which was controlled by powerful men. Women have always had to adapt and tread carefully to keep our jobs, to keep our livelihood.

And these attitudes, rooted in misogyny, manifest themselves in other ways as well: it's why it's still assumed rape victims wore provocative clothing or did something to get raped ( despite the evidence stating the contrary), it's why women are often gaslighted when we relay our experiences of sexual harassment, and it's once again on display where a woman is being dragged into the Weinstein Scandal, a woman who also happened to be the first female presidential nominee from a major political party. When HER words and HER response is the focus instead of the piece of shit who harassed women. This dragging of Hillary is no fucking different to Trump's stunt of parading Bill Clinton's accusers/victims before the second debate in order to shame her.

Dragging Hillary because of the behavior of men who happened to donate to her is meta-sexism at an unimaginable level. It's disgusting.

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Response to JHan (Reply #94)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 03:34 PM

95. I agree with you

And even though I am a guy, I have had and have female friends that have been sexually harassed and even abused in younger years. I cannot ever understand what that is like is obviously, but I try as best a man can at supporting them and trying to empathize.

But she is a politician. She is not a saint. If you believe that Hillary Clinton, who has been in positions of power, and the information she had available, for a couple of decades, with an ear on Hollywood because it is dominated by Democrat supporters mostly, would be ignorant of rumours and stories about Weinstein when so many other women had come forward already during the last 20 years?

That she would be unaware of the opinions of a big Democrat supporter, like Ashley Judd for instance. That either from Ashley or some other Hollywood actor friend she would have at least gotten an indication from them? A whisper in her ear? from this article in the Times,

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/harvey-weinstein-harassment-allegations.html

Harvey Weinstein Paid Off Sexual Harassment Accusers for Decades

Two decades ago, the Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein invited Ashley Judd to the Peninsula Beverly Hills hotel for what the young actress expected to be a business breakfast meeting. Instead, he had her sent up to his room, where he appeared in a bathrobe and asked if he could give her a massage or she could watch him shower, she recalled in an interview.



Anyways, maybe she was just that blindingly ignorant of accusations going back decades by one of her biggest contributors. Could be. I respect your opinion if you believe so. But I think she is way too intelligent a person not to be aware. Look, politicians take money wherever they can....until there is solid proof that it comes from unsavory sources that will get them in hot water. This has nothing to do with gender even. It has more to do with the obscene amount of money it takes to just run a campaign.

I'm just being a realist. Sorry, maybe I'm too cynical, but I think every politician, of whatever gender, scrapes as much campaign money they can together, as long as the donors do not have actually proven crimes, or in this case an avalanche of accusations of abusive behaviour, and it becomes a big news story.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #95)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 03:40 PM

96. She is not the point..

You are still doing it by not even taking her at her word. There is nothing she could have said that would have satisfied you because you see her first and foremost as a liar and dishonest and it's why you would happily drag her.

Who is a Saint and who is not a Saint is not the debate here, that is silliness and again an avenue for you to make your insinuations because you are invested in painting her in a particular way. And if she did not know it doesn't mean she is not intelligent either or naive.

If a powerful man donated to my campaign, you bet I will assume that the field and industry he represents has issues with sexism. ALL WOMEN KNOW THIS.

The point I am making, which you ignore because it's all about Hillary for you, is that misogyny and sexism is soaked in our culture, it permeates everything. Did Hillary know sexism existed in Hollywood? Of course, she did. Would she have known of every detail of Weinstein's disgusting behavior, she says she did not. I didn't know those details.

Those who did know - industry insiders who were overwhelming male - should be the ones plastered all over the front pages along with Weinstein but no... we get the deconstruction of Hillary and pondering intent behind her statements.

I repeat: This is meta-sexism, and it is part of the fucking problem.

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Response to JHan (Reply #96)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 03:59 PM

97. +1000 (nt)

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Response to JHan (Reply #96)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:00 PM

99. Again you are correct. She is not the point

My point was that it is about politics, not gender.

And there is a huge space between "Did Hillary know sexism existed in Hollywood?" to "Would she have known of every detail of Weinstein's disgusting behavior?". I would contend she would at least have been aware of at least some of the general accusations. I may be wrong. but a complete lack of any awareness of this, based on her close ties to Hollywood, just doesn't seem plausible to me. Sorry. We'll agree to disagree on that.

"Those who did know - industry insiders who were overwhelming male - should be the ones plastered all over the front pages along with Weinstein but no... we get the deconstruction of Hillary and pondering intent behind her statements."

Again, I agree. There truly has been a 'vast right wing conspiracy' on both the Clintons from day one. Bill at the beginning, and Hillary when she rose in the party. Unfortunately her name was predictably brought up by RW media because of her ties to him, and she felt she had to respond. And I think she should of course deny any knowledge, whether she knew details or just heard whispers about it. I support that because it would hurt her politically, and by extension the Democratic Party if she didn't deny it. And they have enough to fight against these days.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #99)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 05:02 PM

112. It is NOT about politics alone..

It's not about gender??

It is about how culture and misogyny permeate every aspect of life and what women do to survive it..making it only about Politics gives room to make it about Hillary Clinton ( Or Democrats in general), and it suits the narrative of the GOP to make it all about Democrats and supposed hypocrisy. Politics is complicated because it is about power. But the larger discussion, which needs to be had, is how we have to come accept how men use and wield their power through victimization. The GOP would love to make this a political football as well to distract from the Orange Menace in the White House whose policies will affect women ALL over.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #40)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:43 PM

109. I am willing to bet that TMZ isn't Hillary Clinton's home page

I doubt she really knew him as anything other than a fundraiser, one of dozens of whales in Los Angeles. Hillary Clinton never really embraced her celebrity and in L.A. came across as practically a Conehead.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 03:08 PM

44. That's just not true, 7962. Clinton is not a Hollywood actor.

There is no reason she should have known anything about Weinstein's proclivities. Are you trolling DU today?

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Response to 7962 (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 05:53 PM

56. No she should not stay quiet. How would she have known about him anyway.

She is not an actress and typically does not run with that crowd.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 06:43 PM

72. Sure, makes perfect sense.

It makes perfect sense that Hillary – whose life’s work AND political career has been focused on the protection of/empowerment of girls and women – knew all about Weinstein, but continued a relationship with him anyway. Surely she would have no concerns about Weinstein being exposed as a sexual predator at some point, because the GOP and the media have never, ever tried to dig up dirt to throw at her and would have ignored the whole thing if it ever came to light.

If Weinstein’s behaviour was so widely-known for years, one wonders why the GOP didn’t pounce on the opportunity to link HRC/Democrats and Weinstein long before now – like, for example, during Hillary’s 2016 campaign. They could have ginned-up the story to ”Benghazi!!! What about her emails?!?” status within days. I guess even though “everyone knew”, the everyones in the GOP simply decided to let this one go without a word. Sure, makes perfect sense.

How naïve do you have to be to NOT know that men like Weinstein never display their true nature when socializing with people outside of their own industry, especially when moving in political circles? That’s part of how men like this get away with their behaviour for decades – by keeping their proclivities under wraps, while maintaining the “I’m a really nice guy” façade.

Yeah, something doesn’t pass the “smell test” here – but it’s not Hillary.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 11:41 PM

84. Did Jimmy Carter know about Bill Cosby?

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #84)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:42 PM

107. Not to mention Kerry and Gore. (nt)

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Response to 7962 (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 03:59 PM

98. Are you saying she lied? (nt)

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Response to 7962 (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:17 PM

102. She is not Hollywood...no reason she would know...so maybe you should stop criticzing a prominent

Democrat. Why would she?

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Response to 7962 (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:17 PM

103. When your friend told you the "jokes"

about what a sexual predator was doing, I hope you explained to her that the topic is not funny.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:42 PM

106. I don't think she said "I had no idea". She said she had no "knowledge" of this.

Probably a fine distinction, but then, she's a lawyer.

Much depends on what the definition of "is" is.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #106)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:31 AM

121. Now thats a good point!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 08:01 AM

4. EVERYONE who did not know Weinstein or his orbit...

should shut up. We are all enabling the right to make this abour DEMOCRATS and NOT about sexual abuse.

THEY are the enablers. THEY voted for this sexual abuser in the White House after hearing him confess ON AUDIO TAPE.

Stop helping the right try too use their patented transferrance on us... just stop it.
I am sickened by even a whiff of "Hillary should have done or said this or that. "Obama should have....." NOT HAVING IT.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 08:45 AM

11. Seth MacFarlane make a comment about Weinstein at the 2013 Academy Awards.

MacFarlane was the host in front of tens of millions of viewers. Everyone knew about Weinstein.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:39 AM

23. And apparently you are now a right-winger.

I just don't understand why pointing out the obvious on one point is considered so blasphemous to some!! Is NO criticism allowed anymore?
The Rose McGowan case from 20 yrs ago was also known; he paid her a settlement. Among others.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:38 AM

30. Only useful idiots and those breaking their backs carrying right wing water will place any blame on

Hillary for this piece of shit's actions.

It says far, far more about them than any of our Democratic leaders past or present.



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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #30)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 02:37 PM

42. "Blame"? Of course not. I don't see anyone placing blame on her.

I'm certainly not.
HE is to blame. And maybe the authorities who refused to charge him when it was brought to their attention deserve some as well.
Other than that, just pointing out the obvious

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Response to 7962 (Reply #42)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 03:13 PM

46. You're trying to transfer part of the blame for Weinstein's actions to Hillary.

No one is fooled.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #46)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 03:27 PM

47. Bull. HE is to blame for his actions. Which I already said.

Along with authorities who did nothing after they were given the proof of his actions. I would add to that those who sent young women to his room over the years as well, knowing full well that he had a penchant for young actresses.
Nowhere have I said SHE is to blame for his acts in any way. In what world WOULD she be?
But you are free to connect any flailing dots you want.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #47)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 05:53 PM

57. how many other politicians have you done this to?

Who else have you subjected to this standard?

Give me a break.

Coming to think of it, why is it Hillary that's got you hot and bothered, and not Obama, or Biden, or anyone else among Democrats? Or so-called Allies of Democrats?

What is the difference between what you're doing in this thread and Trump dragging out Bill Clinton's alleged victims/accusers to shame Hillary?

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Response to 7962 (Reply #47)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:20 AM

89. That you hold others to standards you yourself fail to meet is bemusing.

"But you are free to connect any flailing dots you want..."

Like your connecting of Clinton's absolute knowledge of this without any objective evidence to support that allegation?

That you hold others to standards you yourself fail to meet is bemusing. That you will rationalize it as something else though, is expected.

Flailing dots, indeed.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 06:15 PM

69. fuck trump...

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #69)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 11:23 PM

83. yup

you will never get a fuck trump or even blame trump for anything from that one.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:30 AM

29. And You Know She Watched The Awards

Or was even aware of the comment? You, and everyone making claims about HRC on this thread, don't know what you don't know. Guessing and supposing have nothing to do with truth.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 11:30 AM

34. That was not canned laughter... Yikes.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 06:02 PM

63. Oh come on. I watched the 2013 Academy Awards, and I didn't pick up on that.

I couldn't have told you the guy's name a week ago because I'd never heard of him. And who knows if Hillary even watched the show herself?

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Response to LisaM (Reply #63)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 06:11 PM

66. Are you saying Hillary didn't know him?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #66)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 06:41 PM

71. No, I'm responding to the claim that Hillary should have picked this up from the 2013 Oscars.

For one thing, I don't know if she watched the show, and for another, plenty of people who did watch didn't pick up on that joke, either because they missed it because of Seth MacFarlane's stupid boob song, or they just didn't know who the guy was. No one made a big fuss over the joke at the time.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:12 PM

76. Ah, yes, of course.

Everyone who watches the Oscars fully understands the inside jokes that are always bandied about, along with their implications.

If "everyone knew" about Weinstein in 2013, why didn't "everyone" speak up before now - including yourself?

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #76)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:00 PM

77. I am not famous or have power.

Just like most people. No one listens to anyone like me. Do you really think that the Clinton's did not know Weinstein? Some one who hosted fundraisers for them?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #77)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:28 PM

80. Do you really think ...

... that the Clintons "knew" something that could have blown Hillary's campaign out of the water if exposed, but ignored that possibility?

And if "everyone knew", surely someone from the GOP knew - so why did they not use this info against HRC when they could have?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #77)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:22 AM

90. you place this all in Clinton's hands, while Pres Obama remains bruised from your allegations.

Last edited Fri Oct 13, 2017, 12:42 PM - Edit history (1)

The important thing is that you cling to your allegations that Clinton knew... despite lacking any evidence to support it. Bias often denies us the ability to do anything else.

Odd though that you place this all in Clinton's hands, while Pres Obama remains bruised from your allegations. We get it though. We get it...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 08:54 AM

13. No One, not one woman spoke out for many years. Did he pay them off, "settle" like Trump did?

come to think of it, has Trump grabbed any woman lately? how do we know the secret service shuts up about woman the current president is grabbing or having affairs with? Republicans ORDERED and saw his dossier, know his history with woman and girls! Is he currently making any woman/men? cry emotionally abusing persons close to him? Have they heard abusive yelling?

Fuck this media shit trying to make some old TV tabloid Lecher political and totally ignore the UNfit crazy Republican President currently in Americas White House.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 11:26 AM

33. He maintained his predatory behavior

Through threats and intimidation and also forcing people to settle and sign agreements they wouldn't talk about the allegations.

He was powerful enough to back off newspapers when they would have a story.

I'm not saying anyone should blame Hillary but we should carefully look at our society as a whole that enables these type of people to thrive for years.

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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #33)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 08:54 PM

75. Yet this seems to be about blaming Hillary rather than any of that.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:08 AM

15. What a thread this is---illuminating.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:11 AM

16. But not surprising

Not sure why admin allows the usuals who only attack democrats to stay.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:13 AM

17. People have been banned for much less

That this is allowed to stay is mind-boggling.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:29 AM

20. Yeah very n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:15 AM

18. His Wife Did Not Know

Evidently his wife did not know she just left him and some people think Hillary should have?

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Response to videohead5 (Reply #18)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 11:32 AM

35. Ben Affleck said he didn't know. Till people came forward that told him. (And one Affleck groped)

I believe Hillary, but if someone does come forward, or multiple someone's come forward and say 'I warned her years ago', this shit is not going to play well on the nightly news.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #35)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 06:10 PM

65. The number stands at two whom Affleck groped... for now.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:05 AM

27. im to the point of WHO THE FUCK CARES IF SHE KNEW ABOUT IT...

...OR NOT...... seriously....haven't people shit on her enough? enough IS enough! why dear gawd are we even discussing this?

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Response to samnsara (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:09 AM

28. If she had heard something

It would just be a rumor and she would have no way to know if it's true or not...most rumors are just rumors.

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Response to videohead5 (Reply #28)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:39 PM

104. Exactly. Having heard rumors is not the same thing as

Personally possessing actionable evidence. And no evidence has even been presented that she is lying if she says she didn’t hear the rumors.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:45 AM

31. Obviously, Hillary should be impeached as President of the United States

Congressional hearings should commence immediately!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 11:23 AM

32. I think it was common knowledge he was a creep

There are a lot of creeps out there. Not all creeps are rapist.

Part of the way Harvey maintained this predatory behavior over the past 30 years was carefully cultivating power. Part of that power structure was his relationships with politicians as well as his business relationships.

He was a predator that targeted women that would not be able to adequately fight back and those that did he put through a legal wrangling that enabled him to settle for relatively small sums of money at the same time legally requiring their silence. He was able to maintaing the facade for 20+ years. Eventually the truth came out and once it did, much like Cosby it all came out at once.

That being said, he was a prolific fundraiser. Generally speaking politicians don't put there fundraisers through extreme vetting. They are happy to have someone out there raising money for them.

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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #32)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 01:59 PM

41. Yes, it was common knowledge. Even I knew, and I am as far removed from Hollywood

as you can be. A friend of a friend of somebody had recently returned to the midwest from a stint working for the LA Film Festival or some big event like that. This was probably 10 or 12 years ago. At some point she had to drive Weinstein from point A to point B and said that was the worst part of her experience. She used the same word as you - a creep - and it was clear it was meant in terms of treatment of women (she even indicated that she was glad she was 'older and fatter' than his type) and that everyone walked on eggshells around him and warned her not to say or do anything that could set him off, he was a power-tripper and a creep.

I can't fathom that Clinton didn't have a clue about his reputation.

That said, I think making this about partisan politics in general or Clinton in particular is just dumb and unproductive. Aside from occasionally browsing on DU I pretty much avoid online politics these days and I'm glad to say that in the real world (where, due to the nature of my business, I talk waaaay more politics than I want to) I haven't heard a single person talking about this connection at all. Not a one. Puerto Rico? Climate change? Trump and taxes? Trump and nukes? Sure. But Weinstein and Clinton? Nope.

Looking around this place, you'd think it was among the most important issues in the world. Not to try to get super off-topic or sound like I'm trashing DU, but honestly the less time I spend with the online political world in general, the more I feel grounded in reality and connected to other people in terms of politics. So much of the online conversation is so dichotomous and divisive on stuff like this or anything Clinton, or anything Sanders, or just partisan, cult of personality battles in general... I just (thankfully) don't hear that shit hardly at all anywhere else. Sigh... I digress....

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Response to Cal Carpenter (Reply #41)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 02:41 PM

43. You've probably got the right idea

Just like staying away from Facebook for extended periods. I've noticed the same that you mention

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Response to Cal Carpenter (Reply #41)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 03:09 PM

45. Reason we need campaign finance reform

Politicians wouldn't have to hug the creeps of the world to fund their campaigns.

The only place I've heard Clinton and Weinstein in the same sentence was at a bar where the usual right wing conspiracy theories are bandied about by some of the people there.

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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #45)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 08:20 PM

74. ding ding ding

campaign finance reform is what is needed and this stuff with Weinstein should prove it


our leaders shouldn't have to suck up to the 1% to run their campaigns

you are gonna find very few "perfect" donors

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:26 PM

39. Why should she? WHY ARE DEMOCRATS FOLLOWING THE REPUBLICAN FRAMING AND GAME-PLAN HERE????

 

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #39)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:40 PM

105. +a bazillion

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:53 PM

49. So the press has swallowed the bait and made this all about Hillary

and everyone in the WH is laughing their asses off...

Just like how Kaepernick was allowed to get re-framed into a First Amendment/patriotism issue instead of a discussion about unarmed black folks getting gunned down...

WHEN will we stop playing the fucking game by their rules??

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #49)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 05:50 PM

55. And here on DU, as well. Of course.

We cant survive our own fucking stupidity and we dont deserve good things and the UN should label us an enemy and isolate us and all the Americans who play this game.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #55)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 04:29 AM

118. Speak for yourself.

 

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #49)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 05:59 PM

61. they know which buttons to press..

it just never fucking fails.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 05:40 PM

50. I'm just going to leave this here:

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #50)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 05:55 PM

59. +++++++++++++++++

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #50)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 01:29 AM

85. +1000

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #50)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 01:45 AM

86. Ha, good one.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #50)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 04:30 AM

119. ZING!!

 

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #50)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:42 AM

122. Thats good!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:53 PM

82. Is Hillary in charge of every wayward dick in the country?

No, she's not even in charge of her husband's. Men should assume responsibility for their own actions. Why is she being singled out????


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Response to Beacool (Reply #82)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 06:50 AM

88. Yes, it seems for some reason Hillary is in charge of The Isle of Wayward Dicks.

Weird.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:23 AM

91. Why would anyone think she would know?

She would not have been a target. Men like this prey on the weak and powerless (e.g. interns or actors with little professional experience). Point is, predators are good at hiding their activities.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:17 PM

101. So what if she did?

 

I don't care. We need his money and influence.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:43 PM

110. No, we don't. Enjoy your stay here.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #110)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:46 PM

111. I think you meant to reply to the post above this one.

I think Putin sent him. Or maybe the GOP. Which is basically the same thing.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #111)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 05:10 PM

114. No. I meant we do not need the money and political power of a sex offender.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #114)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 05:13 PM

115. I think that's what StevieM was driving at.

You replied to the OP, but it seemed appropriate as a reply to post 101

But, you're right.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #115)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 05:18 PM

116. Thanks, that's exactly what I meant. It seemed like Shrike meant to reply to the post right above

his/her own post but accidentally replied to the OP instead.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 04:03 PM

124. Hillary's paid her dues and them some. When will the pestering cease?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:23 PM

125. This is why Clinton and other Dems need to stay away from Hollyweird.

Stop running in the circle of these creeps and thier equally creepy industry. Politicans should'nt rub shoulders with celebrities or accept thier millions or parade them around during elections. Hillary should have know better.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:39 PM

126. This reminds me of all the attack Hillary threads

we saw in the primaries last year, sad! Some of them belong on Breitbart.

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