Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:04 PM
Le Gaucher (1,547 posts)
Health Care Vote: Senate Rejects Repeal Without Replace
Source: NY times
Senate rejects ‘repeal only’ measure The Senate on Wednesday rejected a measure that would have repealed major parts of the Affordable Care Act but would not have provided a replacement, signaling that the “clean repeal” bill that conservatives have embraced cannot get through Congress. Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/us/politics/health-care-senate-vote.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65624331&pgtype=Homepage&_r=0 Are there more blows to come Or is this it?
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Le Gaucher | Jul 2017 | OP |
BumRushDaShow | Jul 2017 | #1 | |
CaliforniaPeggy | Jul 2017 | #2 | |
underpants | Jul 2017 | #3 | |
RKP5637 | Jul 2017 | #4 | |
iluvtennis | Jul 2017 | #28 | |
bearsfootball516 | Jul 2017 | #5 | |
hibbing | Jul 2017 | #6 | |
Txbluedog | Jul 2017 | #14 | |
regnaD kciN | Jul 2017 | #51 | |
LeftInTX | Jul 2017 | #7 | |
Stuart G | Jul 2017 | #13 | |
still_one | Jul 2017 | #27 | |
Dave Starsky | Jul 2017 | #32 | |
still_one | Jul 2017 | #35 | |
Saviolo | Jul 2017 | #43 | |
LeftInTX | Jul 2017 | #45 | |
Saviolo | Jul 2017 | #48 | |
Hoyt | Jul 2017 | #8 | |
old guy | Jul 2017 | #21 | |
Hoyt | Jul 2017 | #31 | |
kairos12 | Jul 2017 | #36 | |
CountAllVotes | Jul 2017 | #9 | |
yallerdawg | Jul 2017 | #10 | |
Stuart G | Jul 2017 | #11 | |
IronLionZion | Jul 2017 | #12 | |
MyOwnPeace | Jul 2017 | #15 | |
IronLionZion | Jul 2017 | #20 | |
Stuart G | Jul 2017 | #16 | |
LovingA2andMI | Jul 2017 | #22 | |
Bengus81 | Jul 2017 | #25 | |
barbtries | Jul 2017 | #42 | |
obamanut2012 | Jul 2017 | #53 | |
cstanleytech | Jul 2017 | #17 | |
Stuart G | Jul 2017 | #18 | |
cstanleytech | Jul 2017 | #46 | |
BumRushDaShow | Jul 2017 | #19 | |
leftynyc | Jul 2017 | #26 | |
BumRushDaShow | Jul 2017 | #49 | |
Cryptoad | Jul 2017 | #23 | |
Moral Compass | Jul 2017 | #24 | |
RKP5637 | Jul 2017 | #29 | |
Beartracks | Jul 2017 | #34 | |
RKP5637 | Jul 2017 | #37 | |
BigmanPigman | Jul 2017 | #30 | |
Beartracks | Jul 2017 | #33 | |
Dyedinthewoolliberal | Jul 2017 | #38 | |
COLGATE4 | Jul 2017 | #39 | |
Bengus81 | Jul 2017 | #40 | |
barbtries | Jul 2017 | #41 | |
Tarheel_Dem | Jul 2017 | #44 | |
riversedge | Jul 2017 | #47 | |
geretogo | Jul 2017 | #50 | |
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin | Jul 2017 | #52 |
Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:06 PM
BumRushDaShow (109,708 posts)
1. They will probably put some convoluted Turtle bill up for amendments. nt
Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:06 PM
CaliforniaPeggy (144,954 posts)
2. I am sure there are more blows to come...but this is still an important good step. n/t
Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:07 PM
underpants (175,236 posts)
3. Sad.
Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:10 PM
RKP5637 (64,863 posts)
4. And we pay these assholes to try to destroy America. I'm glad this did not pass.
These guys are a total waste of time, money and resources. If they wanted to do something useful, work on Medicare for all.
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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #4)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:49 PM
iluvtennis (17,937 posts)
28. Well said, I totally agree,
Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:10 PM
bearsfootball516 (6,345 posts)
5. They still have to vote on
The skinny repeal, right? That's the one people are most concerned that it could pass, I think.
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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:13 PM
hibbing (9,561 posts)
6. They will never give up
The desire to kick 20+ million people off insurance is overpowering as well as their need to serve their corporate masters.
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Response to hibbing (Reply #6)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:24 PM
Txbluedog (1,128 posts)
14. Their is no desire to kick people off insurance
The Rethugs only have 1 desire: to please their corporate masters. In the unlikely event their corporate masters decide they want Obamacare watch these same rethugs bend over backwards defending the virtues of Obamacare to their base
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Response to Txbluedog (Reply #14)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 07:07 PM
regnaD kciN (25,613 posts)
51. Not true...
They also want to please:
1) Those who don't know or care what the effects of any policy are, except that it makes liberals unhappy. 2) Those who get orgasms of joy from the thought blotting out any achievement of "that Kenyan Muslim who stole the presidency." ![]() |
Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:14 PM
LeftInTX (21,749 posts)
7. I thought they voted on this one last night.
It's so hard to keep up.
We've got a Special Session going on in Texas and it is crazy, crazy, crazy. |
Response to LeftInTX (Reply #7)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:20 PM
Stuart G (36,575 posts)
13. This is a different vote...a partial repeal..
Response to Stuart G (Reply #13)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:47 PM
still_one (87,263 posts)
27. Is this what they refer to as the skinny bill?
Response to still_one (Reply #27)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:58 PM
Dave Starsky (5,914 posts)
32. So did I!
Isn't this the repeal without replace that they approved yesterday? How many of the goddamned things are there out there?
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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #32)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 05:05 PM
still_one (87,263 posts)
35. Thatis the one i am very concerned about
Response to LeftInTX (Reply #7)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 05:50 PM
Saviolo (3,179 posts)
43. Here is a link to a pretty helpful flow chart
Response to Saviolo (Reply #43)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 06:05 PM
LeftInTX (21,749 posts)
45. Helpful! So BCRA should be the next vote?
Response to LeftInTX (Reply #45)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 06:11 PM
Saviolo (3,179 posts)
48. That is my understanding!
But, being that we apparently live in bizarro world, for all I know the fluffy kitten vote is up next, and Mitch McConnell will return to the sea from whence he came.
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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:16 PM
Hoyt (54,770 posts)
8. Christ, I hope voters remember this crud come 2018.
Response to Hoyt (Reply #8)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:37 PM
old guy (3,273 posts)
21. Repub voters don't remember what happened last night,
and tomorrow they won't remember today. Come 2018 they will vote repub whether or not they lose their insurance. It's what they do.
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Response to old guy (Reply #21)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:58 PM
Hoyt (54,770 posts)
31. I know. They'll probably blame this junk on Obama and Hispanic immigrants.
Response to old guy (Reply #21)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 05:08 PM
kairos12 (12,082 posts)
36. Disagree. They remember HRC's emails.
Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:18 PM
CountAllVotes (20,457 posts)
9. Great accomplishment!
Just adds to the other list of accomplishments that they have failed to pass/enact.
What a bunch of foolish idiots wasting taxpayers time/money on their goals to pass their very racist agenda! A giant F/U to the lot of them! ![]() Having fun yet racist GOP? ![]() ![]() |
Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:18 PM
yallerdawg (16,104 posts)
10. Watching the live feed on C-Span...
the Democrats on the Senate floor are looking pretty damn happy!
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() This means whatever the Senate passes won't be what the House wants - and whatever the House wants won't be passed by the Senate! AND - when they come back from August recess, we're in election season - and Trump is definitely getting nothing done and dragging the party down! ![]() ![]() It's a beautiful thing!!! |
Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:19 PM
Stuart G (36,575 posts)
11. Here is a link to show who voted what..from New York Times (shows both votes)
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/us/politics/senate-votes-repeal-obamacare.html The vote on Wednesday was for: The Senate on Wednesday voted against an amendment to partially repeal the Affordable Care Act in two years. Senators will continue to debate and vote on amendments to the health bill. |
Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:20 PM
IronLionZion (41,964 posts)
12. They're just wasting time on this nonsense
instead of anything useful to create jobs or any of the things they promised their voters
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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #12)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:25 PM
MyOwnPeace (16,186 posts)
15. There you go.....
What have Orange Cheat-o and the Repugs done FOR the American public?
What BULLSHIT!!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #15)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:35 PM
IronLionZion (41,964 posts)
20. How about their own voters?
This could be a good opportunity for us to peel off some of their voters who have been disappointed on inaction on economic issues, infrastructure, ISIS, the stupid wall, or whatever else they voted for.
We could win back some rust belt states and make inroads elsewhere. |
Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:28 PM
Stuart G (36,575 posts)
16. These Republicans voted N0 on today's partial repeal vote....there were 7
They voted with our side.....54 ... NO ... to 45...Yes.. (Them, the Pukes)
___________________________________________________________ Susan Collins Me. Dean Heller Nev. Lisa Murkowski Alaska Lamar Alexander Tenn. Shelley Moore Capito W.Va. John McCain Ariz. Rob Portman Ohio |
Response to Stuart G (Reply #16)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:37 PM
LovingA2andMI (7,006 posts)
22. We Owe A Apology ON THIS ONE....
To Senator John McCain. Thank you, Senator, for voting the right way on the Two-Year Timetable #RepealBill
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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #22)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:42 PM
Bengus81 (6,673 posts)
25. Doubt it...McCain will vote NO until he votes YES to KILL the ACA......
He just doesn't want his hypocrisy to look to damn obvious.
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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #22)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 05:49 PM
barbtries (27,243 posts)
42. he's just waiting for the right one.
all he had to do was stay in AZ and we wouldn't even be having these votes. hell will be frozen over before i owe mccain an apology
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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #22)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 07:43 PM
obamanut2012 (23,817 posts)
53. No, we don't -- Fuck McCain
Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:31 PM
cstanleytech (24,757 posts)
17. They are probably going to put something on the table of dropping most if not all the medicaid cuts
in order to try and foster the appearance of being reasonable with the hopes that the Democrats will fracture and that they peel off enough to support their proposal at which point they will claim they were bipartisan over it.
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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #17)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:33 PM
Stuart G (36,575 posts)
18. No Democrat will vote with ....THEM...
Response to Stuart G (Reply #18)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 06:05 PM
cstanleytech (24,757 posts)
46. I did not say it would work rather its what I suspect they are trying. nt
Response to cstanleytech (Reply #17)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:34 PM
BumRushDaShow (109,708 posts)
19. The Democrats have amazingly held fast.
Which is pretty remarkable. I think the only way they may get a D to even consider it if they start all over and do it a piece at a time and ONLY stuff that needs fixing and only via committees. Otherwise they know this is all kabuki theater.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #19)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:44 PM
leftynyc (26,060 posts)
26. That's not hard
when the bill has only a 25% approval rating.
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Response to leftynyc (Reply #26)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 06:32 PM
BumRushDaShow (109,708 posts)
49. Well we know the usual suspects
Manchin, McCaskill, Heitcamp, & Tester, who are in unenviable positions based on the states that elected them.
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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:37 PM
Cryptoad (8,254 posts)
23. Medicare for Everybody,,,,, ez pz!
Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:41 PM
Moral Compass (1,259 posts)
24. They are trapped by the reconciliation process
This didn't look doable at the outset due to what the Senate Republicans cannot do via the reconciliation process limitations (if they deal with anything in the bill that is not revenue/tax impacting such as getting rid of pre-existing condition protections then the bill becomes vulnerable to the filibuster.)
So, that leaves only one thing. Going with the nuclear option and eliminating the filibuster for anything. Is McConnell that desperate? I'm thinking no, but Trump is going to make life really uncomfortable for his own McConnell and his own party. Trump just wants a bill to sign. He doesn't seem to care what this does to his putative party and what impact this could have on the 2018 mid-terms. He may be thinking he'll have the game so rigged by that time that it won't matter what happens in 2018 and beyond. |
Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:53 PM
RKP5637 (64,863 posts)
29. They simply want to KILL OFF Americans. They will try and try again. They will not be happy until
they see the sick and disabled laying in the gutters dying, withering away, and some might use them as target practice with their SUVs. God these asses are disgusting!
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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #29)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 05:00 PM
Beartracks (12,093 posts)
34. And they'd still blame Obamacare for the massacre.
Response to Beartracks (Reply #34)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 05:28 PM
RKP5637 (64,863 posts)
37. Yep, exactly, and the brainless deplorables would blame Obamcare even if it were gone. n/t
Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:57 PM
BigmanPigman (48,794 posts)
30. I called 11 so far today. The 9 from the 1st vote and added 2 more
with this last vote. I got through to 2 staffers. I didn't bother with McCain since I hate him (always have and always will) since he says one thing and does the other so my efforts would be wasted.
There are two more to vote on before the weekend, the Skinny bill and the Graham/Cassidy Amendment so hopefully the calls and letters and protests will do some good. The problem is McConnell. He is ALWAYS the problem. No one knows what the hell they are even voting on and he keeps changing the rules in the Senate so everyone is confused as to how to vote and how many are valid as well as time frames. This is no way to run the Senate. I hope McConnell is caught for colluding with the Russians and we can get rid of Ryan and him (and Pence) since they are all guilty of crimes "in the family". |
Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:59 PM
Beartracks (12,093 posts)
33. GOP should apply their healthcare philosophy to this repeal effort...
... Namely: Let it die.
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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 05:28 PM
Dyedinthewoolliberal (14,531 posts)
38. I wonder how much taxpayer money,
money the Republicans and Tea Partiers and Libertarians and Conservatives claim to be so zealously safeguarding, this has cost those same taxpayers?
![]() Face it R's, if this (the ACA) was really so terrible and onerous America would be raising hell about it.......... ![]() |
Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 05:30 PM
COLGATE4 (14,732 posts)
39. It's a con job. Turtle will keep them voting for one or another
P.O.S. until everyone's dead tired and sick of hearing anything more about 'health care'. Then he'll put the 'skinny option' on the table at the last minute and, voila - Dead Obamacare.
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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #39)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 05:40 PM
Bengus81 (6,673 posts)
40. Yeah...sadly that's been my thinking too.....
I saw this same kind of crap in Senate voting in the Kansas legislature. Voting at midnight to underfund those Koch brothers hated "guberment" schools and a fat ZERO percent tax rate for Corporations/LLC's/SCorps.
That was four years ago and it became a financial disaster here. |
Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 05:47 PM
barbtries (27,243 posts)
41. more blows to come.
we're not through thursday yet. they can do all kinds of damage between now and then i believe. hopefully someone will correct me if i'm wrong
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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 06:00 PM
Tarheel_Dem (31,129 posts)
44. They have to do something. They promised their troglodyte constituents they would. Woe is us.
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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 06:07 PM
riversedge (65,375 posts)
47. "This fight isnt over yet, though." KEEP CALLING SENATORS
AdChoices POLITICS 07/26/2017 04:18 pm ET Another Obamacare Repeal Bill Just Failed In The Senate http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/another-obamacare-repeal-bill-failed-senate_us_5978ac7ae4b0a8a40e846f99?q7&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009 This fight isn’t over yet, though. By Jeffrey Young X Senate Republicans again failed to approve legislation to repeal major parts of the Affordable Care Act on Wednesday. This time, it was a bill that would have eliminated funding for the Affordable Care Act’s private health insurance subsidies and Medicaid expansion, its individual mandate that most Americans obtain health coverage or face tax penalties, its mandate that large companies offer health benefits to full-time employees, and its taxes on rich people and health care companies. This legislation didn’t include any means of replacing the Affordable Care Act. The measure, known as as the Obamacare Repeal Reconciliation Act, failed 45-55, with seven Republican senators voting against it, along with all Democrats and independents in the upper chamber. GOP Sens. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Susan Collins (Maine), Dean Heller (Nev.), John McCain (Ariz.), Shelley Moore Capito (W. Va.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Rob Portman (Ohio) opposed the legislation. The path forward for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) isn’t clear, but the defeat of another bill doesn’t mean the Affordable Care Act is safe. The Senate will continue debating health care throughout the week, with a slew of additional votes coming, many of which are expected to occur between Thursday evening and into the wee hours of Friday morning. Republican senators at this point appear increasingly content to pass essentially anything, regardless of its policy content and its consequences for the health care system. |
Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 07:02 PM
geretogo (1,273 posts)
50. These Barbarians in suits are completely owned and are the property of the anarchists
David and Charles Koch out to destroy America and its working class .
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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 07:39 PM
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (96,961 posts)
52. Cheetolini is not happy now
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