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Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 09:55 PM Jun 2017

7 Sailors Missing after Navy destroyer collision off Japan

Source: CNN

Washington (CNN) Seven US sailors are missing and the commanding officer of a US destroyer is injured after the warship collided with a merchant ship off the coast of Japan, the US Navy said Friday.

The USS Fitzgerald suffered damage to its starboard side above and below the waterline in the incident. Cmdr. Bryce Benson was one of two injured sailors who needed to be flown to a naval hospital in Yokosuka, Japan.He is in stable condition, the Navy said

Other injured are being assessed, the Navy added.

The two ships collided in the Pacific Ocean about 56 nautical miles off the coast of Yokosuka, the Japanese coast guard has told CNN. The damage to the Fitzgerald resulted in some flooding, the Navy said.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/16/politics/us-navy-destroyer-collides-with-merchant-ship-japan/index.html

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7 Sailors Missing after Navy destroyer collision off Japan (Original Post) Stuart G Jun 2017 OP
That's terrible :( Kittycow Jun 2017 #1
and the commanding officer has been evacuated to a hospital in Japan (per msnbc.) elleng Jun 2017 #2
Hard to imagine how this could happen The Blue Flower Jun 2017 #3
With all the high tech radar etc, etc,its really hard to imagine and INdemo Jun 2017 #6
There is another explanation atreides1 Jun 2017 #14
Agreed customerserviceguy Jun 2017 #37
Watch crew fucked up paleotn Jun 2017 #18
Doesn't matter if he was on duty or not. Calista241 Jun 2017 #33
That's correct. The Skipper is ultimately responsible... paleotn Jun 2017 #34
Operator error on a billion dollar boat? Baclava Jun 2017 #15
Oh no shenmue Jun 2017 #4
Missing sounds like they do not want to say dead Not Ruth Jun 2017 #5
I know. . Kittycow Jun 2017 #7
The sea is not kind and ships are floating buildings. politicat Jun 2017 #8
A destroyer can stop quite quickly by doing the crash back maneuver Kaleva Jun 2017 #9
Holy Moses! burrowowl Jun 2017 #11
Can it do the maneuver as its taking on water and possible other damage to the hull and equipment? Pachamama Jun 2017 #12
One would do the maneuver to avoid a collision. Kaleva Jun 2017 #20
in perfect conditions. politicat Jun 2017 #13
The navy has cutting-edge sensing technology. Their can be absolutely no credible excuse Nitram Jun 2017 #26
Thanks for this update furtheradu Jun 2017 #10
How a fast destroyer can't avoid a big slow container ship is unthinkable. FLPanhandle Jun 2017 #16
I don't know maritime law but......... HAB911 Jun 2017 #19
An unwritten rule is the bigger ship always has the right of way. Kaleva Jun 2017 #21
Having sailed in Tokyo Bay among containers ships like this, no way does a sailboat have the right Nitram Jun 2017 #27
Ok, makes sense HAB911 Jun 2017 #38
There's one OOW.. paleotn Jun 2017 #17
When I was in the Navy, there was the OOD and JOOD Kaleva Jun 2017 #22
The Navy doesn't change in these respects. denbot Jun 2017 #23
Heads will roll. Nitram Jun 2017 #28
I've heard those as well.... paleotn Jun 2017 #35
Ship is back at its home port in Yokosuka: dalton99a Jun 2017 #24
If an American warship can't avoid colliding with a merchant ship, it doesn't sound like Nitram Jun 2017 #25
How could this have happened? CrispyQ Jun 2017 #29
How in the hell do ships collide especially a military ship? WTF no radar? nt doc03 Jun 2017 #30
Missing? Iwasthere Jun 2017 #31
The missing may be in flooded compartments FLPanhandle Jun 2017 #32
Suspicious course from a container ship? Baclava Jun 2017 #36

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
1. That's terrible :(
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 10:01 PM
Jun 2017

From the article, both countries are working together in all aspects. Japan is really on top of helping us with emergency services.

Gosh, this is sad. I hope they find the missing sailors. Their families must be beside themselves with worry.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
6. With all the high tech radar etc, etc,its really hard to imagine and
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 10:33 PM
Jun 2017

yes, I agree..But could there have been some sort of hijacking? a Cmdr. is or should be experienced enough to maneuver his ship away from the path of any ships using the manpower and tech.gadgets he would have on the Bridge....

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
14. There is another explanation
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 05:55 AM
Jun 2017

No one was paying attention to all of that high tech equipment! It was 2:30 am the captain was probably asleep, along with most of the crew!

Most of the injuries were from the crew being thrown from their bunks when the two ships collided!!!

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
37. Agreed
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 12:04 AM
Jun 2017

Somebody was asleep at the switch, in an area of high shipping traffic. I presume our Navy has the capacity to track a one-man sub that would try to blow up a ship, how they missed a vessel this big can only be explained by gross incompetence.

paleotn

(17,912 posts)
18. Watch crew fucked up
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:13 AM
Jun 2017

The Skipper was probably not on the bridge at the time. At least I hope not for his sake. There is no excuse for this that I can even imagine, even in rough weather.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
33. Doesn't matter if he was on duty or not.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:51 PM
Jun 2017

He's the Captain. It's his responsibility. He'll never command another ship again, and when he can't get promoted, he'll be retired. Shame, since he just assumed command of the ship, his first command, a month ago.

paleotn

(17,912 posts)
34. That's correct. The Skipper is ultimately responsible...
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 10:11 PM
Jun 2017

but woe be to he or she that's directly responsible. Damn shame. His first command.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
5. Missing sounds like they do not want to say dead
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 10:24 PM
Jun 2017

If there were 2 large ships with safety workers onboard

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
7. I know. .
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 10:57 PM
Jun 2017

If it's a recovery mission, I dearly hope it's successful for the sake of the families.

I imagine "everyone" wasn't that worried about their loved ones' safely since the ship wasn't in dangerous waters? I don't know about these things. ..

politicat

(9,808 posts)
8. The sea is not kind and ships are floating buildings.
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 11:22 PM
Jun 2017

It takes a destroyer three nautical miles to stop. It takes a cargo ship up to five. Turning is difficult.

If the radar fritzed, if there was fog, if someone bobbled a decimal point in the nav math... well, the sea is not kind. It is an environment hostile to human life and requires consideration every single moment.

Many hopes and best thoughts from one Naval daughter to all of those on the sea tonight.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
9. A destroyer can stop quite quickly by doing the crash back maneuver
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 12:16 AM
Jun 2017

"USS Destroyer full stop and reverse in 12 seconds from 33 mph"


Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
12. Can it do the maneuver as its taking on water and possible other damage to the hull and equipment?
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 03:20 AM
Jun 2017


I am a sailor....I know how to do an emergency MOB maneuver too, but if my boat has been hit and taking on water and maybe even damage that effects my ability to maneuver the boat, it might limit a lot of my ability.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
13. in perfect conditions.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 03:51 AM
Jun 2017

A cargo ship t-boning at mid watch in the second most crowded shipping channel in the world is kind of not that.

Nitram

(22,800 posts)
26. The navy has cutting-edge sensing technology. Their can be absolutely no credible excuse
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 05:46 PM
Jun 2017

for this fuckup.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
16. How a fast destroyer can't avoid a big slow container ship is unthinkable.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 08:13 AM
Jun 2017

The bridge crew on the destroyer really fucked up.

HAB911

(8,891 posts)
19. I don't know maritime law but.........
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:14 AM
Jun 2017

I'm pretty sure the cargo ship had right of way as do sailboats v motor powerd

fucked up indeed


I hate to think how the 7 missing died in their bunks, makes me sick

Nitram

(22,800 posts)
27. Having sailed in Tokyo Bay among containers ships like this, no way does a sailboat have the right
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 05:48 PM
Jun 2017

of way. The rule is that the more maneuverable vessel must give the right of way to the less maneuverable vessel.

paleotn

(17,912 posts)
17. There's one OOW..
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:03 AM
Jun 2017

(Officer on Watch or Officer of the Watch) who's got an awful lot of explaining to do, along with the rest of that particular watch crew. Negligence that leads to running your ship into something, much less losing crew members and getting your Skipper banged up in the process, will pretty well end a career at best. I feel a little cringe and tightening of the stomach just thinking about the "conversations" said OOW is in for.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
22. When I was in the Navy, there was the OOD and JOOD
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:38 AM
Jun 2017

Officer of the Deck and Junior Officer of the Deck. Maybe they changed the names.

denbot

(9,899 posts)
23. The Navy doesn't change in these respects.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 01:11 PM
Jun 2017

Between the bridge and CIC, this should have never happened.

Nitram

(22,800 posts)
25. If an American warship can't avoid colliding with a merchant ship, it doesn't sound like
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 05:43 PM
Jun 2017

they are prepared to defend themselves from an enemy vessel.

CrispyQ

(36,462 posts)
29. How could this have happened?
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 07:18 PM
Jun 2017

Seven sailors missing after U.S. Navy destroyer collides with container ship off Japan

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-navy-asia-idUSKBN1972SW

snip...

Part of an eight-ship squadron based in Yokosuka, the Fitzgerald had in February completed $21 million worth of upgrades and repairs.


more...

Japan's Nippon Yusen KK, which charters the container ship, ASX Crystal, said in a statement it would "cooperate fully" with the Coast Guard's investigation of the incident. At around 29,000 tons displacement, the ship dwarfs the 8,315-ton U.S. warship, and was carrying 1,080 containers from the port of Nagoya to Tokyo.

None of the 20 crew members aboard the container ship, all Filipino, were injured, and the ship was not leaking oil, Nippon Yusen said. The ship arrived at Tokyo Bay around 5:00 p.m. (0800 GMT), sailing under its own power, the Coast Guard said.

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How did this happen?

A boat that big manned by 20 people. :O

Iwasthere

(3,160 posts)
31. Missing?
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 08:18 PM
Jun 2017

Still not seeing an explanation. Did they fall out of bed into sink holes in the floor? We they outside and fell off the ship?

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
32. The missing may be in flooded compartments
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 08:23 PM
Jun 2017

Those were probably quickly sealed off to prevent more flooding.

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