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Grassy Knoll

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Further evidence J_William_Ryan Jun 2017 #1
More People Will Want To See It Now... Grassy Knoll Jun 2017 #2
Bank of America just pulled the plug on their sponsorship also. Calista241 Jun 2017 #3
Agreed rpannier Jun 2017 #8
Actually, No erpowers Jun 2017 #11
Pulling their sponsorship makes sense if you think about it. Aristus Jun 2017 #4
Even Shakespeare's Caesar had his good points Retrograde Jun 2017 #12
That's a very interesting speculation, and would be entirely fitting with the rest Aristus Jun 2017 #13
It sounds like whomever doesn't know the history of Caesar, nor Shakespeare's play. Hestia Jun 2017 #5
Obama as Caesar a few years ago..... chelsea0011 Jun 2017 #6
+++++++++++ HAB911 Jun 2017 #9
Like the Kathy Griffin photo, I don't care. BlueStater Jun 2017 #7
+++++++++++ HAB911 Jun 2017 #10
Wait til Fox finds out there's a Shakespeare play ... muriel_volestrangler Jun 2017 #14

J_William_Ryan

(1,753 posts)
1. Further evidence
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 10:29 PM
Jun 2017

of how unpopular Trump is, and how unpopular the GOP’s agenda.

Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
2. More People Will Want To See It Now...
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 10:40 PM
Jun 2017

...

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
3. Bank of America just pulled the plug on their sponsorship also.
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 11:31 PM
Jun 2017

I kinda understand their position too. Trump may deserve to be mocked. But A large, public company, that has customers across all social and political groups can't afford to anger a significant portion of them with something that gives them little gain.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
8. Agreed
Mon Jun 12, 2017, 06:31 AM
Jun 2017

And, if they had done it to Obama there'd have been hell to pay as well
It's best to stay away from something that controversial
There's little to be gained

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
11. Actually, No
Mon Jun 12, 2017, 01:09 PM
Jun 2017

This was first pointed out by post #6. During President Obama's time in office there was a Julius Caesar play, in New York, which featured a black Julius Caesar.

"Which brings me to this production. Director Rob Melrose has set his Caesar at our precise historical moment, in Obama’s Washington, D.C. The capital is rocked by “Occupy Rome” protests. His Caesar (the suavely confident Bjorn DuPaty) is a tall, charismatic African-American politician; he doesn’t look or sound much like Obama (he more closely recalls Michael Jordan), but the audience is unquestionably going to read him as an Obama stand-in nonetheless, particularly when his opponents bear a marked resemblance to Eric Cantor (Sid Solomon’s snappy terrier Cassius) and Mitch McConnell (Kevin Orton’s cynical old pol Casca). Even Mark Antony is recognizable as a standard Democratic politician type, Clinton/Gore division.

This could all come off as very cheap and obvious, but it doesn’t for two reasons. First, because the rhetoric of the Tea Party opposition to Obama partakes of an intellectual tradition that self-consciously traces its lineage back to Brutus: republican as well as Republican, a tradition that includes both Jefferson Davis and Patrick Henry. What one thinks of that tradition as a whole, and what one thinks of the people who currently invoke it is another topic – but the people who invoke it do so for a reason. John Wilkes Booth, who had played Brutus, quoted the Roman assassin immediately after murdering the man he saw as the American Caesar. He did not choose his words idly.

Second, because the director made the interesting choice to cast another African-American, William Sturdivant as Brutus, and it is his performance that really makes the play. Sturdivant does a pitch-perfect black conservative intellectual – more specifically, the thoughtful, reserved type of black conservative intellectual, a coil of carefully controlled tension. There were times I thought I was watching John McWhorter up there on stage. He managed to give Brutus a shadow of interiority that he so frequently lacks, and to add a whole other dimension of pathos to Brutus’s decision to ally with Cassius. This Brutus is not merely the noblest of Romans in the sense that he is an exemplar of the patrician class – no; he’s the one character on stage whom we know has chosen, affirmatively, to affiliate himself with the ideas for which he kills, who believes them because he believes them, and not merely because they are in his interest. It’s a splendid choice."

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/shakesblog/obamas-ides-of-march/

Aristus

(66,328 posts)
4. Pulling their sponsorship makes sense if you think about it.
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 11:56 PM
Jun 2017

Trump makes a terrible Julius Caesar doppelganger. Julius Caesar, the real-life figure, not Shakespeare's character, was a blindingly gifted statesman and soldier. The extent of his talents is breathtaking. The only feature of any kind that he shared with Trump is a penchant for self-promotion. In Caesar's case, however, it seems to have been warranted. For (as we say where I'm from) "It ain't braggin' if you can actually do it!"

Retrograde

(10,136 posts)
12. Even Shakespeare's Caesar had his good points
Mon Jun 12, 2017, 01:51 PM
Jun 2017

The play refers to his concern for the poor, which is un-Trumpian.

I wonder if the costume designer for this production put red baseball caps on the mob that murders Cinna the Poet (I fear that something like that will eventually happen at a Trump rally)

Aristus

(66,328 posts)
13. That's a very interesting speculation, and would be entirely fitting with the rest
Mon Jun 12, 2017, 01:55 PM
Jun 2017

of the production.

The Ancient Romans hated and feared mob violence, just as we do today. But Roman politicians relied upon it for furthering their ambitions.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
5. It sounds like whomever doesn't know the history of Caesar, nor Shakespeare's play.
Mon Jun 12, 2017, 01:34 AM
Jun 2017

They were upset because Caesar was killed? This is news? This is new?

chelsea0011

(10,115 posts)
6. Obama as Caesar a few years ago.....
Mon Jun 12, 2017, 05:27 AM
Jun 2017

HAB911

(8,890 posts)
9. +++++++++++
Mon Jun 12, 2017, 07:14 AM
Jun 2017

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
7. Like the Kathy Griffin photo, I don't care.
Mon Jun 12, 2017, 06:02 AM
Jun 2017

I don't recognize that shitsack as either a president or even an American. Hell, I barely recognize him as a fucking human being.

HAB911

(8,890 posts)
10. +++++++++++
Mon Jun 12, 2017, 07:15 AM
Jun 2017

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
14. Wait til Fox finds out there's a Shakespeare play ...
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 05:41 AM
Jun 2017
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