A new poll shows an astonishing 52% of Republicans incorrectly think Trump won the popular vote

[riversedge]

Source: washington post




By John Sides December 18 at 6:00 AM

President-elect Donald Trump. (Alice Li/The Washington Post)


...........Clinton’s lead now exceeds 2.8 million votes (more than 2.1 percent of the total vote) and continues to grow. Many Democrats hope this fact alone might persuade Republican electors to reject Trump in favor of some alternative.

But this hope faces a serious challenge: Half of all Republicans actually think Trump won the popular vote.

In a nationally representative online survey of 1,011 Americans conducted by Qualtrics between Dec. 6 and 12, we asked respondents, “In last month’s election, Donald Trump won the majority of votes in the electoral college. Who do you think won the most popular votes?”

Twenty-nine percent said Donald Trump won the popular vote. This is a slightly larger proportion than in a recent Pew survey in which 19 percent said Trump won the popular vote.

Respondents’ correct understanding of the popular vote depended a great deal on partisanship. A large fraction of Republicans — 52 percent — said Trump won the popular vote, compared with only 7 percent of Democrats and 24 percent of independents. Among Republicans without any college education, the share was even larger: 60 percent, compared with 37 percent of Republicans with a college degree.

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[Girard442]

1. How the hell can democracy survive under these conditions?

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If we manage to get through this, we're going to have to figure out a way to rethink freedom of speech to reduce the ability of deep-pockets players to set up media that spew propaganda, hate speech, and falsehoods into our culture 24/7.

[RKP5637]

4. The US has truly become the Land of Idiocracy! It can't!

[yeoman6987]

13. Well election night he was

Not everyone pays attention to updates like we do.

[RKP5637]

15. Yep, that's probably a large part of it. I know most of my friends don't follow things like we do

and they are not dummies in the least. ... but, they do know who really won! I follow things for survival and also because I have a very curious nature. I do like to know what's ahead of me in the road around the curve. In this case, I think the road is washed out and we might be headed over a cliff!

[womanofthehills]

41. plus FAKE NEWS on Facebook last week posted Trump was ahead

They republicans could care less about the truth and a Facebook "friend" shared this on my news feed. So, many republicans probably got the fake info from Facebook.

[RKP5637]

8. Exactly! The spreading of falsehoods has to be met with severe penalties. Yes, we have

free speech, but I think the intent was responsible speech. What we have now is the spreading of lies and distortions for profit.

[Alekzander]

14. Democracy cannot survive under the current environment or the way things are at present.

A lot of things have to change for it to survive but so many people seem to be oblivious to the facts or they refuse to admit or face the facts as they actually are.

For one, we have to change how we elect our President. Just like each state has two senators. Think about Wyoming for instance which has less than 1 million people but has two senators. You have California with over 39 million with just two senators like Wyoming & the same with Congress members & districts need to be drawn fairly by both parties. You do not have democracy or government represented by the people with gerrymandering which is way worst than it has ever been.

One can't go into all of the factors but one that I feel is one of the most important is our media. We have to get back to Independent Media and away from corporate media. There is income distribution & another very important issue which is the education of people. We have to support public education, not private education.

Also, preaching politics from the pulpit & keeping religion out of the schools.

All that said, I have no clue how we can get those things back when you look at our situation the way it is now & when you have such a large population in our country that does not seem to even want it or realize how important it is. The Republican party has done a really good job at brainwashing them & destroying the agencies that are not in the republicans best interest.

[RKP5637]

18. Agree! Well said!!! n/t

[Mc Mike]

2. Inventing a false reality is the only way they can "make" reality seem to justify their policies

and viewpoints.

[Va Lefty]

19. I think we have a winner here

[UCmeNdc]

3. They have to convince themselves of that.

They do not want to deal with the fact that Trump is an illegitimate President.

[cstanleytech]

9. Until the electoral college votes he isnt the President and if they stupidly vote for him

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he will not be illegitimate President rather he will be the legitimate President, probably a horrible one worse than any President in US history (which the GOP is to blame for) but legitimate nonetheless.

[Laf.La.Dem.]

5. As per Rush Limpballs -

The "low information" voters!

[ramapo]

6. This is just beyond my comprehension

How is this possible? I don't understand. I don't understand.

[RKP5637]

11. They were stupid enough to vote Dump in, so I'm not surprised. About half of America is really

really really stupid in many ways for many reasons. It's been building for years.

[jimlup]

7. Republicans have an advantage over us

they believe whatever the fuck they want to believe.

Unfortunately for us we are a reality based community.

[etherealtruth]

33. sadly, what you say is true :-(

[Thor_MN]

10. And they will claim that anything that says otherwise is FAKE news.

They will even capitalize fake, because that's how they see it from their puppet masters.

[Thinkingabout]

12. Liar-in-Chief continues to say he won by a landslide, of course they believe him.

[JudyM]

17. His is the loudest bullhorn. The meek truth is no match. And now he is also their pied piper.

[babylonsister]

16. A Third Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/obama-hurricane-katrina_n_3790612.html

[JudyM]

20. This deserves its own OP, babylonsister. Even though it's old, it explains a lot.

[lunasun]

22. I might call them the irredeemables . Ignorance and racism combo . Remember this is from

people who live in the state where the disaster occurred!

[JudyM]

24. We'll get nowhere without effectively addressing both the false media and the impotent media.

Our only hope, IMO, is a powerful, united approach to the lack of info as well as the misinfo.

"Free speech" protections run amock are ruining our democracy before our eyes.

[Thinkingabout]

37. But the evangelists said it was the LGBT and New Orleans sinful ways which brought Katrina to

the area. Agree with the posting of the Republicans who are more than willing to blame someone else for Republican failures. They are trained on FOX and very afraid of the truth so they NEVER get their news from reliable sources. We have the Liar-in-Chief about to become president, he can not tell the truth.

[malchickiwick]

21. The U.S.A has become the C.S.A.

The Cletus States of America

[tom_kelly]

23. Ignorance is no excuse! n/t

[COLGATE4]

25. I swear to God that 30% of Repubs believe the

earth is flat. They are impervious to facts and impervious to education. They are going to believe what they want to believe and that's it. Nobody and nothing is going to sway them.

[JHan]

26. They live in their own reality where facts don't matter.

[mdbl]

27. It's not astonishing, it just shows how ignorant they really are

Hey, if they voted Trump, that is the ultimate in ignorance.

[inwiththenew]

28. A similar percentage of Republicans think Obama is a Muslim

If I remember correctly from a poll from last year so I'm not shocked by this.

[Baitball Blogger]

29. That says it all, doesn't it?

[ailsagirl]

30. There goes that cognitive dissonance thing again

[lambchopp59]

31. I blame the biggest confabulator ever: FOX "news".

I can't personally stomach watching their continual bias confirmation broadcasts disguised as "news". But I'm betting they've probably never even mentioned the popular vote counts, or if they did, it would be swallowed up in such a massive amount of justification BS most FOIX viewers wouldn't pick up on it.
Fellow DU'ers, I get so angry that "facts" have become subjects of derision from the denialists. The idiocy of this literally makes me sick. I cannot talk any sense into the few RWers I know because they've become convinced that fucking FOX is telling them the absolute truth because they say they are telling the absolute truth and that no one else is. There's no deprogramming the willful ignorance, it seems, until F6 tornadoes wipe out their homes.

[progree]

32. Some more alternative reality of Trumpian idiots - stock market, unemployment rate, exclude Calif...

Shocking New Poll Shows That A Vast Majority Of Trump Voters Live In Another Reality, Politicusa.com 12/8/16

Nearly 40 percent of the president-elect’s supporters believe the stock market has gone down under President Obama, despite the fact that it’s nearly doubled during Obama’s tenure.

...Even though the unemployment rate has gone from 7.8 percent in January 2009 to 4.6 percent last month, a whopping 67 percent of Trump voters think it’s actually increased

... When asked by PPP whether Trump protesters are being paid by George Soros, 73 percent of the incoming president’s supporters said yes.

Fifty-three percent think that votes in the state of California should not be included in the popular vote tally.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/12/08/trump-supporters-alternate-reality.html

[ananda]

34. Most Reeps, including our leaders, live in Cloudcuckooland.

They just make up shit and call it a fact.

[msongs]

35. total failure by democrats to set the record straight. hillary hiding and running away from the win

[BlueStater]

42. Are these people not functioning adults?

Can't they simply be smart enough to know basic facts on their own? Do they need to be educated about every fucking single thing like a bunch of goddamn children?

Apparently so.

[pbmus]

36. If you keep saying a lie over 6 times it eventually becomes

Oh, I heard that before, it must be true...especially when your leader says he won in a landslide and the media is corrupt and on and on...

[Rex]

38. There is nothing astonishing about it, maybe that the number is so low!

Anyone observing politics for the last few decades, knows the GOP is full of dangerous loons.

[truthisfreedom]

39. These are people who simply don't want to know.

[YOHABLO]

40. 52% of the R's don't really know what ''popular vote'' means.

[AgadorSparticus]

43. This is why fake news outlets need to be held accountable.

This level of stupidity is too painful for words.

[JI7]

44. that's because they don't think certain people's votes shouldn't count

[Jimbo S]

45. One word I heard on a civic affairs show Sunday

"gullible"

Then it hit me.

To me, it's not so much a D or an R won the election. It's that so many of our citizens are gullible for false news.

[FigTree]

46. What is astonishing is that there are so few. nt