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demon in basement

(72 posts)
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 07:08 AM Dec 2016

John Bolton Implies Obama Administration Could Be Behind False Flag Election Hack

Source: HuffPo

12/12/2016 12:16 am ET

The man reported to be Donald Trump’s pick for the number two job in the State Department says the election hacks could have been a false flag operation.

John Bolton told Fox News on Sunday that the hacks may not have been carried out by Russia, as the intelligence community believes, but implied the Obama administration itself could’ve been secretly responsible.

“It is not at all clear to me just viewing this from the outside, that this hacking into the DNC and the RNC computers was not a false flag operation,” Bolton told reporter Eric Shawn.



Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-bolton-false-flag_us_584e1aede4b0e05aded46e1e



I apologize to anyone who has just eaten breakfast.



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John Bolton Implies Obama Administration Could Be Behind False Flag Election Hack (Original Post) demon in basement Dec 2016 OP
like trump LittleGirl Dec 2016 #1
I guess there's a way we can find out, isn't there? NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2016 #2
Yup. MBS Dec 2016 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #3
John Bolton* is the NeoCon all the other Neocons pointed to... Raster Dec 2016 #6
" " " " " " n/t MBS Dec 2016 #10
If Bolton ends up in the State Dept, we will be going to war with Iran nikto Dec 2016 #56
Traitorous sack of shit. BainsBane Dec 2016 #4
+ 1 CentralMass Dec 2016 #34
So is Darth Cheney okay with this? BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #5
I suspect he doesn't want his nefarious, war criminal deeds brought to light... Raster Dec 2016 #8
PNAC BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #13
Disgusting beyond words. narnian60 Dec 2016 #7
of all the nerve.... tomp Dec 2016 #11
The wingnuts on the right will believe it True_Blue Dec 2016 #41
Imagine someone in a Clinton administration saying something comparable about 9/11. . . . tetedur Dec 2016 #12
Spoken like a true Trumpian. Say anything, ANYTHING. Eugene Dec 2016 #14
He's been reading too much Glenn Beck bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #15
Proof positive this guy is as crazy as "The Donald." Vinca Dec 2016 #16
Also, Sergei Magnitsky REALLY did get a heart attack days before he had to be released from jail ck4829 Dec 2016 #17
How did this putrid piece of crap ever worm his way into our government, anyway? Judi Lynn Dec 2016 #18
What??? dicksmc3 Dec 2016 #19
he's crazy. barbtries Dec 2016 #20
This doesn't even make any logical sense. Dave Starsky Dec 2016 #21
Based on what we know about Republican strategy, Bolton is guilty by Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #22
in other news... Javaman Dec 2016 #23
Count on Crazy John Bolton to be guilty of whatever he's accusing others of. NBachers Dec 2016 #24
GOP: Conspiracy theories "R" us ucrdem Dec 2016 #25
The "false flag" angle get the red out Dec 2016 #26
This is how alt-right uber-recht plants fake news. From these seeds grow huge conspiracy theories.nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2016 #31
Nah, this is just more of their usual projection. GoCubsGo Dec 2016 #32
And thanks to Trump, that now applies to... JHB Dec 2016 #58
Ned Flanders is hands down the funniest guy on Faux Major Nikon Dec 2016 #27
Bolton is so partisan and radical he thinks he can fool us into believing the CIA was fooled. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2016 #28
John Bolton? The John Bolton who helped shove "Iraq has mobile weapons labs" down our throats? GoCubsGo Dec 2016 #29
I'm sorry - but when are some of these old geezers, who have been woodsprite Dec 2016 #30
I don't think it could happen soon enough. I'm not sorry. Glimmer of Hope Dec 2016 #33
This really dies smell like an internal coup of sorts. CentralMass Dec 2016 #35
This doesn't make sense at all JustAnotherGen Dec 2016 #36
So, it wasn't the Russians after all. It was the Kenyans. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2016 #37
Coo Coo Cachoo! There he is again. nt longship Dec 2016 #38
CIA, let's hear from you (again!) wordpix Dec 2016 #39
There's some convoluted BS logic for ya Generic Other Dec 2016 #40
All the more reason to investigate Angry Dragon Dec 2016 #42
A bit later than expected. He was supposed to get out in front of the reports. haele Dec 2016 #43
....... bdamomma Dec 2016 #45
all the more reason why these bdamomma Dec 2016 #44
How are we going to survive these people? Generator Dec 2016 #46
There was a Republican on msnbc actually denouning Bolton's comments a bit earlier. riversedge Dec 2016 #47
Fuck off, Bolton. Do these morons even know what a false flag is? Initech Dec 2016 #48
You what was clear from the outside? That Bush, Bolton, Cheeny, et. al. were full of shit Thor_MN Dec 2016 #49
The UN laughed at him behind his back.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #50
Oh, sure, because that is so Obama's style and way of doing things. LisaM Dec 2016 #51
Well, then I guess Republicans ought to demand an investigation into possible hacking tclambert Dec 2016 #52
47of74 Implies That John Bolton Is A Piece of Excrement And Total Fornicate Face. 47of74 Dec 2016 #53
Let Bolton yap loudly, long and CLEARLY. . . BigDemVoter Dec 2016 #54
So the Obama administration was capable of tricking the CIA, the most advanced intel in the world? Kablooie Dec 2016 #55
Still a total asshole eh john? mdbl Dec 2016 #57

MBS

(9,688 posts)
9. Yup.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 07:43 AM
Dec 2016

But I guess bipartisan congressional investigations, combined with Obama's orders to experienced intelligence professionals for a deep investigation starting in 2008, are too "biased."

Data are apparently scary things.

Response to demon in basement (Original post)

Raster

(20,998 posts)
6. John Bolton* is the NeoCon all the other Neocons pointed to...
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 07:29 AM
Dec 2016

...as over the top and beyond the pale. Bolton* is a clear danger to the US and should NEVER be allowed anywhere near the mechanics of government. Other men count sheep to sleep, Bolton* counts mushroom clouds.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
56. If Bolton ends up in the State Dept, we will be going to war with Iran
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 06:00 AM
Dec 2016

Half Trump's cabinet hungers for it.

BumRushDaShow

(129,950 posts)
5. So is Darth Cheney okay with this?
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 07:28 AM
Dec 2016


He is oddly silent regarding the Putin-hugging of the incoming administration.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
8. I suspect he doesn't want his nefarious, war criminal deeds brought to light...
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 07:36 AM
Dec 2016

...kellyanne conjob could just as easily be saying: "Dick Cheney* did it" as she intoned "Bill Clinton did it."

I think ultimately cheney* would probably be OK with it... It seems he was a NeoCon and PNAC member first, patriot second. After all, cheney* is one of the most successful war profiteers over the last 50 years. He and his buddies at Halliburton basically invented the "war-in-a-box" scenario, catering wars so all the infrastructure was commercially provided (at great cost), all the US had to do was provide the canon fodder... I mean, soldiers. It was Halliburton that gave us the concept of war with profit and loss centers, just like any other commercial venture.

BumRushDaShow

(129,950 posts)
13. PNAC
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:07 AM
Dec 2016

proffered American hegemony everywhere - mainly in response to Russia and China. The proxy wars that Halliburton or Xe (now "Academi&quot would profit from were U.S.-backed vs Russian-backed. But with a buffoon like Drumpf, you now get Russian hegemony everywhere with the questionable result being whether the U.S. MIC can actually profit (via equipment/soldiers-for-hire orders) from the financially-strapped new masters from the east. China perhaps, but Russia? Doubtful.

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
11. of all the nerve....
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 07:51 AM
Dec 2016

...this guy talking about politicizing of intelligence, with his history.

this guy is truly dangerous, like cheney, having mastered the dark art of appearing erudite and reasonable (at least until he gets to the "false flag" accusation).

and what about this accusation? does he really expect anyone to believe that obama had the election hacked to make it look like trump cheated, instead of hacking the election to actually win? what kind of insane thought process is that?

True_Blue

(3,063 posts)
41. The wingnuts on the right will believe it
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 11:57 AM
Dec 2016

They believe Hillary has sex slaves in pizza parlors, Sandy Hook was gov conspiracy and Obama founded ISIS, so they'll believe it.

tetedur

(822 posts)
12. Imagine someone in a Clinton administration saying something comparable about 9/11. . . .
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 07:52 AM
Dec 2016

Do you think it would have been printed?

At least the Obama administration has asked for an investigation. It took 400+ days for a 9/11 Commission to be set up (to fail).

Where is the response from the Democrats? They should demand an apology from this asshole.

Eugene

(61,974 posts)
14. Spoken like a true Trumpian. Say anything, ANYTHING.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:17 AM
Dec 2016

No falsehood is too outrageous nor too silly as long
as enough of the right people believe it.

Bonkers Bolton just said he wants regime change in Iran.
Look out for a tsunami of bullsh**.

bucolic_frolic

(43,476 posts)
15. He's been reading too much Glenn Beck
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:24 AM
Dec 2016

'Progressives are creating fear to frighten and control America'

They always project and blame the other guy

Vinca

(50,326 posts)
16. Proof positive this guy is as crazy as "The Donald."
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:24 AM
Dec 2016

Obama messes with the election in order to make Trump a winner so the entire Obama legacy will be wiped off the books. If that makes sense to Bolton, he's either drunk as a skunk or needs hospitalization.

ck4829

(35,096 posts)
17. Also, Sergei Magnitsky REALLY did get a heart attack days before he had to be released from jail
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:41 AM
Dec 2016

Alex Litvinenko just accidentally got into some polonium, Putin had nothing to do with it

Judi Lynn

(160,662 posts)
18. How did this putrid piece of crap ever worm his way into our government, anyway?
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:50 AM
Dec 2016

He is not well-respected after a lifetime of making life hell for human beings, is known for being a vicious, spiteful a-hole in every day life.

Why should he have ever been allowed to continue to spew his rancid opinions into a world which would do better without him?

dicksmc3

(262 posts)
19. What???
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:02 AM
Dec 2016

On Meet the Republicans yesterday, Chuck Toad asked Reice Prebus about the hacking. He said that the Republicon servers were never hacked. That is the direct opposite of what Bolton just said on Fix so-called news. So, I believe this hacking by the Russians has to be looked into and quickly. Everyone who cares about democracy should be crying FOUL right now --- "FOUL"

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
21. This doesn't even make any logical sense.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:15 AM
Dec 2016

False flag operations aren't designed to torpedo the very objectives they're supposed to bring about.

And, yet, watch the media give this traitor a forum and pretend that this isn't the second stupidest thing someone said this week.

Baitball Blogger

(46,776 posts)
22. Based on what we know about Republican strategy, Bolton is guilty by
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:19 AM
Dec 2016

deflection attempt.

How do they keep it fresh?

Javaman

(62,534 posts)
23. in other news...
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:40 AM
Dec 2016

john bolton whips himself in his closet at home to keep himself from telling any sort of truth.

anyone expect anything less from this anger management poster child?

you know he lies when his lips move.

NBachers

(17,184 posts)
24. Count on Crazy John Bolton to be guilty of whatever he's accusing others of.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:50 AM
Dec 2016

Let the Michael Bolton (who I also can't stand) memes begin.

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
26. The "false flag" angle
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:54 AM
Dec 2016

This is the new R explanation of course.

This man is no better than the people who write the fake news. Actually, he's evil.

GoCubsGo

(32,100 posts)
32. Nah, this is just more of their usual projection.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 10:11 AM
Dec 2016

If you ever want to know what republicans are doing, or would do if the situation was reversed, just look at what they accuse the Democrats of doing. This is more of the same.

JHB

(37,166 posts)
58. And thanks to Trump, that now applies to...
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 07:00 AM
Dec 2016

...the old "get their marching orders from Moscow" stuff too.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,068 posts)
28. Bolton is so partisan and radical he thinks he can fool us into believing the CIA was fooled.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 10:05 AM
Dec 2016

He's a dangerous stupid ideologue.

GoCubsGo

(32,100 posts)
29. John Bolton? The John Bolton who helped shove "Iraq has mobile weapons labs" down our throats?
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 10:06 AM
Dec 2016

And, only had cartoons of mobile weapons labs as proof? That John Bolton? Alrighty then.

Nice "swamp draining" there, Mr. Pussy Grabber.

woodsprite

(11,940 posts)
30. I'm sorry - but when are some of these old geezers, who have been
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 10:06 AM
Dec 2016

throwing monkey wrenches into the works and trying to undermine our democracy for years, going to kick the bucket or go so batshit insane that they just blubber in the corner somewhere in their own little world. I'm sure Hell isn't so full that they can't make room for them down there.

JustAnotherGen

(32,022 posts)
36. This doesn't make sense at all
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 10:46 AM
Dec 2016

But - a bunch of guys who voted to make America Great Again will believe this nonsense.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
40. There's some convoluted BS logic for ya
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 11:54 AM
Dec 2016

Seriously? I commit suicide to show you? That makes as much sense as letting this man run the State dept.

on edit: Actually, it's worse. I commit suicide to help my sworn enemies because well I am just so darn nice and accomodating.

haele

(12,692 posts)
43. A bit later than expected. He was supposed to get out in front of the reports.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 03:33 PM
Dec 2016

Ah well, must have been on one hell of a stolen election night hangover with his former soviet buddies....

Haele

riversedge

(70,441 posts)
47. There was a Republican on msnbc actually denouning Bolton's comments a bit earlier.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 04:13 PM
Dec 2016

sorry but I have forgotten his name.


LisaM

(27,850 posts)
51. Oh, sure, because that is so Obama's style and way of doing things.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:54 PM
Dec 2016

Bolton is such a seedy looking old windbag.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
52. Well, then I guess Republicans ought to demand an investigation into possible hacking
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 11:23 PM
Dec 2016

and get to the bottom of these suspicions.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
53. 47of74 Implies That John Bolton Is A Piece of Excrement And Total Fornicate Face.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 11:41 PM
Dec 2016

And 47of74 needs to stop referring to 47of74 in the third person. It makes 47of74 look like a damn fruitcake.

BigDemVoter

(4,158 posts)
54. Let Bolton yap loudly, long and CLEARLY. . .
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 11:44 PM
Dec 2016

The intelligence community has got to loathe this man. The more he yaps and implies they're corrupt, the more the intelligence community is going to want to come out and release something fun . . . .

After an AWFUL November, I'm actually enjoying the spectacle, although it is appalling.

Kablooie

(18,646 posts)
55. So the Obama administration was capable of tricking the CIA, the most advanced intel in the world?
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 11:47 PM
Dec 2016

and the CIA has no idea.

mdbl

(4,976 posts)
57. Still a total asshole eh john?
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 06:46 AM
Dec 2016

They're only defense for their reprehensible behavior is to pretend someone else did it. Classic repuglican.

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