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DaveJ

(5,023 posts)
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 07:58 PM Jul 2012

Couple arrested for dancing while waiting for the train in New York.

Source: Your Jewish News

A couple waiting for the train to arrive decided to dance a little but they were arrested by New York City Police officers.

Caroline Stern, 55, and her boyfriend George Hess, 54, claim they were handcuffed by having happy feet on the platform of the subway station at Columbus Circle and spent 23 hours in custody as a result.

It was almost midnight when Stern and Hess, a teacher of film and prop industry headed home last July from Jazz at the Lincoln Center Swing Night of San Juan. While waiting for the train, a musician began playing the steel drums in the nearly empty platform, and Stern and Hess began to feel the rhythm.

The police asked for identification, but when Stern, could only produce a credit card, the officers ordered the couple to go with them even though the credit card had the image of the dentist and the firm.
When Hess began trying to film the encounter, things got ugly, Stern said.

Read more: http://www.yourjewishnews.com/Pages/21360.aspx#.T_mepOWrJZY.facebook



I know there are a lot of other things happening in the world, but we've really got to do something about police brutality.
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Couple arrested for dancing while waiting for the train in New York. (Original Post) DaveJ Jul 2012 OP
Isn't this the same city that doesn't want people to be fat, so they are taking away the big cup midnight Jul 2012 #1
Just a sad, sad statement Smilo Jul 2012 #2
It's those scary Jew couples gay couples and everthing else Y'oud understand if you you were there. DCKit Jul 2012 #54
It's like the f*cking taliban. bananas Jul 2012 #3
Damn, it's like you can't even have a little fun anymore without the RKP5637 Jul 2012 #27
So I can understand sometimes police make mistakes but... limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #4
I consider police corruption and brutality to be a disease, like rabies Scootaloo Jul 2012 #6
I think you may be burying the lead here Son of Gob Jul 2012 #5
That was the "perpetrator" who called them "ninjas" JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2012 #66
ROFL! Good one. If only they weren't known to be such violent clowns. Lionessa Jul 2012 #108
OK, can someone tell me why this is police brutality and not fascism?? PDJane Jul 2012 #7
You're right, it's fascism. DaveJ Jul 2012 #12
Police State- Huey P. Long Jul 2012 #45
That it is. My first thought. emilyg Jul 2012 #57
Ready to risk dancing? Stryder Jul 2012 #8
Wow, that's freaking ridiculous. So there was someone playing music, they started IndyJones Jul 2012 #9
Nobody puts Georgie in a corner. JBoy Jul 2012 #10
Suspicions were raised when, without warning, they did a "terrorist ass-bump" during the Charleston. jtuck004 Jul 2012 #11
You need a wearable video camera that streams straight to the net Ghost Dog Jul 2012 #80
Exactly. jtuck004 Jul 2012 #93
Where's Kevin Bacon when you need him? baldguy Jul 2012 #13
In an NYPD jail... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #35
Heh, I know all about the Six Degrees thing ... Kennah Jul 2012 #43
They do allow flash Dancing at the Gentlemans Club. Historic NY Jul 2012 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #15
Really, police brutality, or overzealous actions by police/military in general, is DLnyc Jul 2012 #16
Ineffective apathetic law enforcement is never a good social sign... bettydavis Jul 2012 #17
Check out the original 'I Love New York' tourism campaign.... radhika Jul 2012 #18
Too bad they couldn't get any stars to do that spot. Beartracks Jul 2012 #21
I remember some of those from when I was a really young kid. a la izquierda Jul 2012 #67
No rhythm, no peace! marble falls Jul 2012 #19
They can just ask anyone for ID now? arcane1 Jul 2012 #20
In many areas, law states you must carry ID, and present to police upon demand Hugabear Jul 2012 #51
No they can't. They still do it though. truebrit71 Jul 2012 #72
Worse, NYPD can "stop and frisk" anyone, provided they're "scary" - young, non-white, and not rich. leveymg Jul 2012 #79
Shades of Footloose! nt valerief Jul 2012 #22
I'm guessing PatrynXX Jul 2012 #23
"I'm a dentist and I'm 55" sorry he got abused and arrested but there is elitism in his statement Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #24
I don't take that as elitism TlalocW Jul 2012 #30
Well then he should have been tasered too. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #39
Apologetics! chervilant Jul 2012 #65
Might want to look at my comment on usage before you start using it. yellowcanine Jul 2012 #75
I think you mean "apologists". Apologists are people. Apologetics is the discipline of yellowcanine Jul 2012 #74
writing apologies for nonsense is a form of apologetics. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #104
"I'm a dentist and I'm 55 is elitist? I don't think so. yellowcanine Jul 2012 #42
How is that elitism? davidthegnome Jul 2012 #70
More disturbing were the "suggested stories" linked at the bottom of the page... Beartracks Jul 2012 #25
What happened? TomClash Jul 2012 #26
Are you kidding me? The police were completely justified ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #28
Police assaults on innocent citizens/civilians The Wizard Jul 2012 #29
This is the beginning of the Upper West Side... smirkymonkey Jul 2012 #115
So the charge was reportedly "disorderly conduct "to prevent the flow of traffic."" redqueen Jul 2012 #31
How did this happen? Brigid Jul 2012 #32
I feel so much safer. tabasco Jul 2012 #33
My college roommate went to the USSR in 1980 AlbertCat Jul 2012 #34
fuck tha police frylock Jul 2012 #36
Why do you need an ID to take the train? Or to dance? nilram Jul 2012 #37
That is fucking ridiculous...nt and-justice-for-all Jul 2012 #38
I am beginning to wonder if we might be better off without police. mysuzuki2 Jul 2012 #40
No. aquart Jul 2012 #49
It's not whether we might be better off without police -- they are a necessary evil -- but coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #53
Of course we would be better off. Prometheus Bound Jul 2012 #64
how the hell would we be better off sabbat hunter Jul 2012 #77
Filing in the "Somebody somewhere might be having fun and we must stop that at all cost." file. yellowcanine Jul 2012 #41
So much for "Land of the free" tawadi Jul 2012 #44
Testing... Godot51 Jul 2012 #46
This article does give only their side. treestar Jul 2012 #47
"Hess allegedly was beaten down to the surface of the platform..." William Seger Jul 2012 #58
Was he injured? Resisting? treestar Jul 2012 #81
Uh hunh. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #87
Eh? You asked a question William Seger Jul 2012 #89
Police make false arrests constantly Savannahmann Jul 2012 #110
Why do you suppose the charges were dropped, treestar? tblue37 Jul 2012 #101
I don't know, that article doesn't say why they dropped the charges treestar Jul 2012 #109
That is completely insane. aquart Jul 2012 #48
Maybe we should stage a flash mob Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #50
There will always be testosterone cowboys prowling around out there in cop suits. Fridays Child Jul 2012 #52
Do you know what would REALLY be news??? ret5hd Jul 2012 #63
I guess we really don't know how often honest cops have tried to blow the whistle. Fridays Child Jul 2012 #116
He tried to be romantic but damn it backfired Ter Jul 2012 #55
We Gotta Get Rid of Raymond Kelly SoDesuKa Jul 2012 #56
His boss is Bloomberg, get rid of that POS Bloomberg first... MicaelS Jul 2012 #84
But wait, you haven't heard the whole story! ... eppur_se_muova Jul 2012 #59
King Michael of New Yawk, sez...... DeSwiss Jul 2012 #60
Ah, New York City. Such spontaneity. Such energy. Such joy. Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #61
Shithead cops. truthisfreedom Jul 2012 #62
I was in the NYC subway just a week and a half ago...I have never CTyankee Jul 2012 #68
"Your Papers, Please!!" Iggy Jul 2012 #69
Well, now I know what to do next time I'm in New York davidthegnome Jul 2012 #71
What the hell? Aerows Jul 2012 #73
So being in love and happy in public is now a crime? Remmah2 Jul 2012 #76
It's as though Aerows Jul 2012 #78
I proposed to my wife on top of the Empire State Building. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #82
If you're married, you are nichomachus Jul 2012 #83
Shhhhh............... Remmah2 Jul 2012 #91
rofl. Ghost Dog Jul 2012 #100
That NYPD officer better check himself before he wrecks himself Blue Owl Jul 2012 #85
This is Soviet East Germany stuff NBachers Jul 2012 #86
Apparently eaglesfanintn Jul 2012 #88
Did I just not see an OP libodem Jul 2012 #90
What's missing here? savalez Jul 2012 #92
This is classic fascist bullshit but............ SILVER__FOX52 Jul 2012 #94
These knuckle dragging cops ............. SILVER__FOX52 Jul 2012 #95
Please... impeding the flow of traffic around midnight (3 people) not valid reason for arrest. Tigress DEM Jul 2012 #96
well my goodness someone had to stop them.What if this caught on and people started dancing, singing Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #97
Remember when the park police arrested people for tblue37 Jul 2012 #98
I am glad they are suing: tblue37 Jul 2012 #99
Take note, Gene!!! KansDem Jul 2012 #102
Yup, I want to do more to stop police brutality duhneece Jul 2012 #103
Fucking. Pigs. kath Jul 2012 #105
This just confirms what I already expected 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #106
No Surprise Here Steerpike Jul 2012 #107
Referring to NY Police as New York's Finest needs to be stopped. LiberalFighter Jul 2012 #111
There is always more to a story like this. randome Jul 2012 #112
For all the vitriol about al quaida being evil Callmecrazy Jul 2012 #113
I got jumped by 4 cops for talking back to one of them. ErikJ Jul 2012 #114

midnight

(26,624 posts)
1. Isn't this the same city that doesn't want people to be fat, so they are taking away the big cup
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 08:05 PM
Jul 2012

beverages?

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
2. Just a sad, sad statement
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 08:06 PM
Jul 2012

on what is happening with regard to the police in this country. They are becoming very officious killjoys to say the least.

I would have clapped and cheered on Caroline and George for doing this - for making the world just a little lighter and brighter for a few moments.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
54. It's those scary Jew couples gay couples and everthing else Y'oud understand if you you were there.
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:04 AM
Jul 2012

How do me and my queer BF threaten your marriage?

I'll tell you now, you might have to admit to your wife's doctor where the chlamydia came from. Of us gave it to.

Fuckers.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
27. Damn, it's like you can't even have a little fun anymore without the
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 09:45 PM
Jul 2012

cops on your ass. Recently some guy here was waving a couple of pam-pams walking down the street while listening to music with earbuds. The cops pulled up and questioned him what he was doing. I was stopped at a red light watching the episode. It was yet another WTF monument in Gestapo USA.

Each day many cops ratchet it up a bit. Give people in these situations a little authority and they will take a lot, an awful lot. TPTB still don't get that, or maybe that's their goal. Authoritarianism, suppression and persecution.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
4. So I can understand sometimes police make mistakes but...
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 08:10 PM
Jul 2012

the problem is they are never held accountable for those mistakes.

So the mistakes become worse and worse because the police are never held accountable.

There are no consequences when the police do this stuff.

After a few times, it's not a mistake anymore. It's just harassment.

The police are allowed to harass people just because they are bored and have nothing better to do.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
6. I consider police corruption and brutality to be a disease, like rabies
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 08:14 PM
Jul 2012

Like rabies, the only cure is to put the sick animal down, for the continued safety of pretty much every other person and animal in the area.

it's amazing that we have zero tolerance for kids bringing their own aspirin to school, but cops can kill and suffer nothing for it.

Son of Gob

(1,502 posts)
5. I think you may be burying the lead here
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 08:11 PM
Jul 2012
"That's when eight police ninjas came out of nowhere."


The police have NINJAS!!

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,375 posts)
66. That was the "perpetrator" who called them "ninjas"
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 07:57 AM
Jul 2012

The police were probably just dancing to "Send in the Clowns"

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
7. OK, can someone tell me why this is police brutality and not fascism??
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 08:15 PM
Jul 2012

This looks to me like a police state.

DaveJ

(5,023 posts)
12. You're right, it's fascism.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 08:27 PM
Jul 2012

I guess we can't fight police brutality because we're living in a fascist system.

 

Huey P. Long

(1,932 posts)
45. Police State-
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:12 PM
Jul 2012

NYPD arrests, detains couple for 23 hours for dancing while waiting for the subway
Madison Ruppert, Contributor
Activist Post

Monday, July 9, 2012

Here’s yet another story from the “police have gone insane” department with past stories including the NYPD labeling people “professional agitators” for filming them, police defending handcuffing a six-year-old girl, a man being arrested for pointing his finger at police, a police officer getting targeted for discipline for stopping a beating, an NYPD officer getting put in a psych ward by his superiors for reporting corruption and more.

Interestingly, this case seems to also bring in the fascinating and troubling trend of police arresting people (and in at least one case even brutally assaulting someone) simply for exercising their right to film officers in a public place performing their public duties.

This particular incident – which actually occurred last July but is just now being brought up in a lawsuit – involves a couple, 55-year-old Caroline Stern and 54-year-old George Hess, who were allegedly dancing on the empty Columbus Circle subway platform in New York City after listening to jazz at Lincoln Center.

No, this isn’t quite like the people who were arrested for dancing in Washington D.C. at the Jefferson Memorial, as this was in no way an act of civil disobedience or protest. It was just dancing.

According to Fox News Insider, the couple was arrested for “impeding the flow of traffic” because they were dancing while waiting on the subway to arrive shortly before midnight.

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http://www.activistpost.com/2012/07/nypd-arrests-detains-couple-for-23.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Stryder

(450 posts)
8. Ready to risk dancing?
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 08:17 PM
Jul 2012

Wonder how much this little re education session is going to cost the tax payers. Charges dropped. But that isn't the point is it? Dance like nobody's watching.(But they are)

IndyJones

(1,068 posts)
9. Wow, that's freaking ridiculous. So there was someone playing music, they started
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 08:22 PM
Jul 2012

to do the Charleston, and then get arrested for happily dancing to music? Unbelievable.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
11. Suspicions were raised when, without warning, they did a "terrorist ass-bump" during the Charleston.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 08:26 PM
Jul 2012

I hope they prevail in their lawsuit. Maybe they could get enough to donate thousands of cameras to people who spend a lot of time on the street, because video is about the only chance of raising public awareness that "you" could be next.
 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
80. You need a wearable video camera that streams straight to the net
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:45 AM
Jul 2012

(so they can't so easily confiscate/steal the product), like...

uh, http://www.vievu.com/



or, better http://gopro.com//




I guess, you get the idea...

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
93. Exactly.
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:36 PM
Jul 2012

Get those down to commodity prices, put tens of thousands around on undisclosed locations, people carrying them, etc.

I think it would result in a lot more humane policing.

Thanks for that.

Kennah

(14,348 posts)
43. Heh, I know all about the Six Degrees thing ...
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:01 PM
Jul 2012

... so whichever one of y'all is on a first name basis with Kevin, tell him his country needs him.

Response to DaveJ (Original post)

DLnyc

(2,479 posts)
16. Really, police brutality, or overzealous actions by police/military in general, is
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 08:57 PM
Jul 2012

the heart of the problem, I think.

In my view, the central problem of civilization is "who will guard the guardians?"

It is hard to imagine a complex society without some form of police and military sector. But once you have either of these, you run into the problem of limiting their power. Police and military, to their credit, are good at controlling bad elements of the world. But the worst thing that can happen is to have police and/or military begin to set social policy. The attributes that make for good police/soldiers are exactly the opposite of those that make for good creators of social policy.

Good police/soldiers are control oriented, respect authority and follow orders. Good social leaders encourage freedom and individuality, question authority and develop compromises rather than issuing or following orders.

NYC police brutality, US military-industrial complex, Egyptian military trying to thwart the revolution, all of these in my view are aspects of the same problem.

bettydavis

(93 posts)
17. Ineffective apathetic law enforcement is never a good social sign...
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 08:58 PM
Jul 2012

Whatever the reasons may be, low wages, no education, corrupt culture, when a society's police are lacking it's a slippery slope. If they are underpaid someone with enough money will pay them to do what THEY want, social order be damned. If they're apathetic and poorly trained they will make life unbearable for anyone that presents a challenge to them. It is a VERY dangerous state of affairs and we have to do something fast. They'll give any asshole a badge

radhika

(1,008 posts)
18. Check out the original 'I Love New York' tourism campaign....
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 09:13 PM
Jul 2012

This was a very successful municipal PR campaign of the 80's. Well-produced spots highlighted Broadway, dance and the excitement of being up all night. Lots of them can be found archived on Youtube. Here's one - Sharks and Jets dancing on the steps of the Public Library.

&feature=relmfu

The campaign was revived and relaunched in late May 2012, thanks to Cuomo. Maybe these dancer-busting cops and the thousands of Stop & Frisk officers will get a role - thanks to Bloomberg.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/30/i-love-new-york-tourism-campaign-expands/

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
21. Too bad they couldn't get any stars to do that spot.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 09:25 PM
Jul 2012

LOL j/k of course!

Love how Cher pulls off her own wig.

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Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
51. In many areas, law states you must carry ID, and present to police upon demand
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:53 PM
Jul 2012

IMHO, it's just one more way for cops to harass people, and to charge them with such crimes as loitering, trespass, vagrancy, etc.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
72. No they can't. They still do it though.
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:46 AM
Jul 2012

It is more than sufficient to give them your name and address, but you do not have to carry your papers with you, no matter how much the little fascists wish it was otherwise.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
79. Worse, NYPD can "stop and frisk" anyone, provided they're "scary" - young, non-white, and not rich.
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:41 AM
Jul 2012

It's beyond just being required to produce an ID. The moment you go into public, the police own you in Manhattan -- that is, if your income is less than $1 million/year, you're a prole. If it's above Manhattan poverty-line, you own the police and they won't bother you, ever, no matter what you do.

If you own the bank, go ahead and rob the bank. In NYC, that's just part of doing business.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
23. I'm guessing
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 09:35 PM
Jul 2012

They've never been to the Durham Museum in Omaha. at the old Union Station. where that have bronze statues of people dancing. do'h... dancing at the train station is as old as the trains.. stupid!!!!

TlalocW

(15,392 posts)
30. I don't take that as elitism
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 09:54 PM
Jul 2012

More of like an ironic joke - I'm an "old" man with a job publicly thought of as boring not a criminal mastermind.

TlalocW

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
39. Well then he should have been tasered too.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 10:35 PM
Jul 2012

Or something. Took long enough for the apologetics to arrive.

yellowcanine

(35,703 posts)
75. Might want to look at my comment on usage before you start using it.
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:04 AM
Jul 2012

Otherwise you would be compounding the usage error.

yellowcanine

(35,703 posts)
74. I think you mean "apologists". Apologists are people. Apologetics is the discipline of
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:02 AM
Jul 2012

defending a position (often religious). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics

An apologist would be a person who engages in apologetics.

a·pol·o·gist? ?[uh-pol-uh-jist] Show IPA
noun
1.
a person who makes a defense in speech or writing of a belief, idea, etc.
2.
Ecclesiastical .
a.
Also, a·pol·o·gete ?[uh-pol-uh-jeet] Show IPA. a person skilled in apologetics.
b.
one of the authors of the early Christian apologies in defense of the faith.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
104. writing apologies for nonsense is a form of apologetics.
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 03:43 PM
Jul 2012

a·pol·o·get·ics
noun (plural)?/əˌpäləˈjetiks/?
apologetics, plural

Reasoned arguments or writings in justification of something, typically a theory or religious doctrine.

yellowcanine

(35,703 posts)
42. "I'm a dentist and I'm 55 is elitist? I don't think so.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 10:52 PM
Jul 2012

I think he was poking fun at himself as in "I am boring and I got arrested for dancing." Actually I think it IS funny, not elitist.

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
25. More disturbing were the "suggested stories" linked at the bottom of the page...
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 09:37 PM
Jul 2012


NO, I do NOT like!

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TomClash

(11,344 posts)
26. What happened?
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 09:37 PM
Jul 2012

Not enough brothers around to roust that night?

We stay wide and weary of some officers these days.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
28. Are you kidding me? The police were completely justified ...
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 09:51 PM
Jul 2012

The dancing couple no doubt drew attention to the steel drummer ... and some of those whose attention were caught might have dropped a coin or two into the drummer's hat; thus possibly providing the drummer a meal and encouraging vagrancy.

See we simply cannot have that!

sarcasm ... Just in case.

The Wizard

(12,552 posts)
29. Police assaults on innocent citizens/civilians
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 09:53 PM
Jul 2012

is standard operating procedure. Been like that for a while. And America is free because of freedom and democracy imposed at gunpoint around the world. The end is nigh.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
115. This is the beginning of the Upper West Side...
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 08:31 PM
Jul 2012

One of the most liberal enclaves in the country. If things like this start happening there (I just moved from there to Boston - just in time apparently) it makes me wonder if there is no safe place left in the country. WTF???

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
31. So the charge was reportedly "disorderly conduct "to prevent the flow of traffic.""
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 09:59 PM
Jul 2012

Really?

Really?

Cops have been out of control for a long time, but now they're even going after elderly, well-to-do people. Maybe that means something might actually be done about it. One can dream.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
32. How did this happen?
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 10:02 PM
Jul 2012

I thought the NYPD was too busy stopping and frisking young men of color and monitoring how much soda people drink.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
34. My college roommate went to the USSR in 1980
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 10:13 PM
Jul 2012

with his girlfriend and a bunch of other students. Anyway, they were waltzing in Red Square and a soldier came up to them, with his gun raised, yelling "Nyet nyet!".


Just sayin'....

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
53. It's not whether we might be better off without police -- they are a necessary evil -- but
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:02 AM
Jul 2012

what kind of police we have and whose interests they represent. In Los Angeles, they've basically made themselves little more than just another gang, albeit one operating under color of the law. They are a gang for hire, mercenaries paid to protect the interests of the 1%, goons who no longer 'serve and protect' the people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampart_scandal

sabbat hunter

(6,838 posts)
77. how the hell would we be better off
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:35 AM
Jul 2012

without police?

Private security that only the rich can afford? Rampant crime everywhere as no one is around to enforce the laws?

No thank you. If you want no police, go live in Somalia.

But in this case the police clearly overstepped their bounds and over reacted.

Godot51

(239 posts)
46. Testing...
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:13 PM
Jul 2012

A multiple choice question:
You are a NYPD police officer and you encounter a couple dancing at midnight on a deserted subway platform.
You:
A) Join in briefly and jokingly move on.
B) Say "Nice evening, isn't it?" and move on
C) Tell them it's late and that dancing isn't allowed here, but have a safe ride home and move on.
D) Argue with them, refuse their ID, call for backup, wrestle them down and take them handcuffed into custody.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
47. This article does give only their side.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:22 PM
Jul 2012

They cannot be arrested just for dancing. Unless there is some ordinance making dancing illegal. Who knows, maybe there is.

What brutality? Were they beaten or something? That part doesn't seem to be there.

William Seger

(10,788 posts)
58. "Hess allegedly was beaten down to the surface of the platform..."
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 03:07 AM
Jul 2012

"...and the cuffs were then slapped on both. The initial charge, according to Stern, was the disorderly conduct 'to prevent the flow of traffic.' "

treestar

(82,383 posts)
81. Was he injured? Resisting?
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:45 AM
Jul 2012

It's amazing how people jump to believe a one-sided account. Before labeling the cop as "brutal" he/she ought at least get to give a side.

Claiming they were arrested for "dancing" rather than disrupting orderly flow of traffic is disingenuous, meant to make it sound all mean and unfair when they were only "dancing." Yet the city passed that ordinance for a reason, when people were annoyed by blockages when they were trying to get around in the station. Maybe that's a bit pissy, but that city passed that ordinance.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
87. Uh hunh.
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:44 PM
Jul 2012

NYPD made no false arrests during OWS and Stop And Frisk is a perfectly legitimate tactic.

You forgot to comment on this part: "When Hess began trying to film the encounter, things got ugly,"

William Seger

(10,788 posts)
89. Eh? You asked a question
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:51 PM
Jul 2012

I answered it by quoting a part of the article that you apparently didn't see. I didn't say anything about "jump(ing) to believe a one-sided account."

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
110. Police make false arrests constantly
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 05:20 PM
Jul 2012

Charges are dropped. But there is no reason to think that this is harassment. A couple weeks ago, a woman was arrested in Houston for warning drivers that there was a speed trap ahead. The original charge was obstructing justice. Someone at the Police Department figured out that this wouldn't fly, what with that whole first amendment problem. So they changed the charge to walking in traffic (jaywalking) when there was a sidewalk available. She says she was on the sidewalk, not in the road, holding up her sign which said speed trap.

How many stories like this are we going to hear before we wake up and say that the Police are no longer serving the interests of the public? How many of our citizens will be jailed and imprisoned before we start to demand changes to the status quo?

A man lent his AR-15 rifle that was twenty years old to a friend. The friend went to a range to shoot it. The weapon was nearly worn out, and the sear was worn down. The owner, and shooter had no idea that this was happening. When the friend was firing the weapon, it malfunctioned and emptied the magazine. In other words, it malfunctioned and fired full automatic until the magazine was empty.

Like a headlight out, this is a mechanical problem that is easily fixed. If the police got involved, it should have been nothing more than an insistence that the weapon be repaired. Instead the ATF charged the weapons owner, and got him convicted for illegally transferring a machine gun. For having an old rifle that malfunctioned. He is an Army Reservist by the way. Now you could say he should have known better, but unless you take the trigger mechanism apart, something the Army soldiers are specifically told not to do, there is no way to check the condition of the sear. So he's going to prison, because the police are always right, and the juries are instructed to convict if we believe A happened. Yes, the weapon fired fully automatic. So that makes it a machine gun, so he broke the law by lending it to a friend. That it wasn't by design doesn't matter.

This is the police state we live in. These are the people who are protecting us, but from what? In my lifetime, I've seen this change. Now, if the Police start talking to you, they are going to continue looking until they find something. With hundreds of thousands of laws on the books, they'll find something to charge you with. Even if they have to lie to do it.

If you want me to respect the police. Put them on a lie detector every six months. See if they can answer the questions without making the needles jump. Did they lie in the last six months? Did they plant evidence in the last six months? Did they make untrue statements in court or on official documents in the last six months? How many cops would fail this test? I bet we would find that half the cops were unemployed in the first year. Routine lies are no more acceptable than any other lie.

tblue37

(65,502 posts)
101. Why do you suppose the charges were dropped, treestar?
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 03:00 PM
Jul 2012
Because they were NOT doing anything illegal!

They should not have been harassed and then arrested in the first place, but when the cop inapporpriately told them they couldn't dance, and then they didn't have the specific ("Papers, please!&quot ID the cop wanted, the cop became annoyed, especially since the guy began to videotape the entirely inappropriate harassment of harmless citizens by a cop.

That's why he decided to arrest them: he had decided to harass and inconvenience them for no good reason, and when they questioned why and even dared to record the event, he was, like Cartman, furious that they had dared to "question his authoritay!"

treestar

(82,383 posts)
109. I don't know, that article doesn't say why they dropped the charges
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 04:38 PM
Jul 2012

It is entirely from Hess and Stern's point of view and gives only their accounts of what happened.

Charges get dropped every day and it doesn't mean the police arrested the people just to harass them - by that standard the police could only arrest the guilty and we wouldn't need trials or legal proceedings or anything. So that does not prove Hess and Sterns are 100% correct and telling the entire truth.

The article does say they are suing, so it will be interesting to see if the jury awards them anything or if they get a settlement.

And some board is looking into the police conduct, so it's not like the cops always get to do whatever and not get questioned or held to account.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
50. Maybe we should stage a flash mob
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:48 PM
Jul 2012

and just when everyone is dancing along and as part of the act have it "raided" by a bunch of "riot gear guys" who leave "blood" soaked streets behind them.

Fridays Child

(23,998 posts)
52. There will always be testosterone cowboys prowling around out there in cop suits.
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:00 AM
Jul 2012

But there are also a lot of excellent cops who take their daily mission with a big helping of duty, intelligence, and compassion, not to mention a healthy side of common sense. They rarely make it into the news, unfortunately. Bleeding and leading is where it's at.

ret5hd

(20,536 posts)
63. Do you know what would REALLY be news???
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 07:48 AM
Jul 2012

If one of those who "take their daily mission with a big helping of duty, intelligence, and compassion, not to mention a healthy side of common sense" would step up and stop the assholes like the ones in this story. Now that would be news. Why don't the good ones turn in the bullies/crooked cops to upper authorities? I'll teell you why: 'Cause they're part of the problem too.

Fridays Child

(23,998 posts)
116. I guess we really don't know how often honest cops have tried to blow the whistle.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:53 AM
Jul 2012

I'm sure it's happened though. But whistle blower laws won't stop deeply entrenched ways of dealing with rogues. And who are the rogues, anyway? I guess it depends on who's asking the question.

If the best a good cop can do is to do his job and mind his business, I understand. He may have a family and other obligations that would be imperiled if he opens his mouth. These matters are never black and white and things rarely turn out like they do in the movies.

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
55. He tried to be romantic but damn it backfired
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:19 AM
Jul 2012

Seriously though, however ridiculous it is to dance in a subway and act like teenagers, arrest is absurd.

SoDesuKa

(3,173 posts)
56. We Gotta Get Rid of Raymond Kelly
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 02:08 AM
Jul 2012

There won't be any progress made towards a more humane police department until we get rid of Raymond Kelly. Everything that's bad about NYPD is made worse because of the Commissioner.



Kelly's No Good

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
84. His boss is Bloomberg, get rid of that POS Bloomberg first...
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 11:55 AM
Jul 2012

Bloomberg defends Stop and Frisk. Then you can get rid of Kelly.

eppur_se_muova

(36,307 posts)
59. But wait, you haven't heard the whole story! ...
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 03:25 AM
Jul 2012

turns out they were also playing cards. What a couple of reprobates!

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
60. King Michael of New Yawk, sez......
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 03:38 AM
Jul 2012

[center]''All public signs of happiness by commoners is forthwith prohibited!!!''

[font size=3 color=darkblue]Stop N-B Frisked!!!
No Dancing w/o Permit!!!
Just Say No To Colas!!![/font]




Mayor Extraordinaire For Life!
[/center]

- K&R

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
61. Ah, New York City. Such spontaneity. Such energy. Such joy.
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 06:23 AM
Jul 2012

Until the cops haul away a middle-aged couple for doing the Charleston.

CTyankee

(63,914 posts)
68. I was in the NYC subway just a week and a half ago...I have never
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 08:43 AM
Jul 2012

seen so many musicians and performers and I used to live in the city! Going down and returning from South Ferry there was a classical guitarist, a Mariachi trio, and a Whitney Houston wannabe singer, in addition to a group of phenomenal breakdancers at Battery Park. My 8 yr old grandson from Los Angeles was amazed. He had never seen so many performers in the LA subways. I thought that was interesting!

I'm scratching my head on this story after what I saw in the subways on my latest trip in.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
71. Well, now I know what to do next time I'm in New York
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:36 AM
Jul 2012

Be even better if I could find some people to join me. Yep... oh I think some time during Christmas break is when I'll be there. I hope they arrest me, because I'll get the whole thing on video. Wonder if I could interest CNN...

Is it some kind of crime to not have the right kind of ID? Wouldn't it have made a hell of a lot more sense to tell the dancers.. "Please stop. Or move away a bit so you don't interrupt traffic."? Leaving it alone even, would have been fine as I somehow doubt they would have stopped people from getting on the train. I mean, the guy is a Dentist in his 50s and probably drive a friggin' Volvo.

Man... it's hard to figure what the hell is wrong with these idiots. A power trip? The idea that people look too happy so they must be stopped? You know, I actually prefer the kind of lunatics who like to sing and dance in public. I wish there was a hell of a lot more of it in this Country and throughout the world - it would be a happier place.

The NYPD needs to be held accountable and cease this kind of stupidity, or be dismantled and reformed with people who have at least a SHRED of common sense.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
73. What the hell?
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:54 AM
Jul 2012

What kind of country are we living in now if people doing something as harmless as the Charleston while waiting for the subway leads to a 54 year old man getting a beat down and a 55 year old dentist getting arrested for not having the ID the police demanded? That's insane.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
78. It's as though
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:35 AM
Jul 2012

They are afraid that someone, somewhere might be having a good time and enjoying life. I guess we should look forward to people being arrested for laughing soon, too. Hell, excessive smiling is probably enough to get a beatdown these days.

Blue Owl

(50,532 posts)
85. That NYPD officer better check himself before he wrecks himself
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:07 PM
Jul 2012

Talk about an out-of-control dirtbag...

libodem

(19,288 posts)
90. Did I just not see an OP
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:59 PM
Jul 2012

Decrying the use of "pigs" to describe law enforcement and calling us wrong for thinking like that.

Sorry. This calls for a real statement. Fuck the pigs. They are owned by the 1%. And they hate the rest of us. We are a meal ticket to fund more jails and private prisons.

Maybe that crazy fuck, Alex Jones, is correct about this being a prison planet.

SILVER__FOX52

(535 posts)
94. This is classic fascist bullshit but............
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:40 PM
Jul 2012

most importantly, it shows the poor supervision given to the police " utility " workers.

SILVER__FOX52

(535 posts)
95. These knuckle dragging cops .............
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:43 PM
Jul 2012

apparently don't realize that they are being used by the political elites. Sad.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
96. Please... impeding the flow of traffic around midnight (3 people) not valid reason for arrest.
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 02:00 PM
Jul 2012

IF it had been legitimate, I could see concern for their safety. Doing the Charleston on cement probably within 10 - 12 feet from a live rail, might concern an honest cop for their safety, city getting sued for injury etc.... but impeding WHAT traffic?




Didn't I hear NY is banning public caffiene consumption? Could the police have suspected unauthorised drinking of caffiene? And what the heck is that about anyway?

One story says it's a specific type of high octane caffiene drink related to some deaths. link

Another says the Mayor is trying to fight obesity by banning all kinds of large sized drinks. link

Tig

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
97. well my goodness someone had to stop them.What if this caught on and people started dancing, singing
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 02:18 PM
Jul 2012

laughing, playing music and having fun everywhere you went? What kind of world would that be?

tblue37

(65,502 posts)
98. Remember when the park police arrested people for
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 02:21 PM
Jul 2012

dancing at the Lincoln Memorial (or was it the Jefferson Memorial?-I forget). One guy, who barely even swayed, was brought down with incredible brutality by several of the cops, and it was all caught on video.

tblue37

(65,502 posts)
99. I am glad they are suing:
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 02:44 PM
Jul 2012
[font color = "blue"]The couple has filed a lawsuit against the New York City Police Department in federal court in Manhattan for unspecified damages.
[/font]

Yeah, I know it comes out of the taxpayers' pockets, but at least it also creates more negative publicity against the jackbooted thuggery.

duhneece

(4,118 posts)
103. Yup, I want to do more to stop police brutality
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 03:39 PM
Jul 2012

With our torture and military mentality, I believe our law enforcement and corrections officers are more brutal than ever.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
106. This just confirms what I already expected
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 04:18 PM
Jul 2012

that dancing is an inherently subversive revolutionary act.

Steerpike

(2,692 posts)
107. No Surprise Here
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 04:23 PM
Jul 2012

Not all police officers are bad. There are just enough bad ones to make life interesting for those unfortunate to cross their paths.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
112. There is always more to a story like this.
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 06:59 PM
Jul 2012

You have 3 witnesses to a crime? You're liable to end up with 6 different versions of what happened.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
114. I got jumped by 4 cops for talking back to one of them.
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 07:31 PM
Jul 2012

I was walking my chihuahua without a leash which stays right next to me. The cop said put him on a leash and I mumbled saying this wasnt a real dog like most people joke about Chis and he asked me if I was retarded and I said no are YOU? And suddenly the 4 cops surrounded and grabbed me and put me in cuffs while he was asking them, "What are we going to charge him with?"! One said resissting arrest which I did not. I went to the holding cell with 30 others where they kept me for 7 hours and my chi went to the pound. I was the last one out. I went to the hearing a couple weeks later and the cop never showed up.

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