Trump Suggests That Soldiers Who Suffer From PTSD Aren’t “Strong”
Source: BuzzFeed
The GOP presidential candidates statement came during a Q&A at the Retired American Warriors Pac. Some of the questions were about the suicide epidemic in the military and criticism of the Veterans Administration (VA) for falling short on providing veterans with the mental health treatment they need.
After saying there are around 22 veteran suicides a day, Trump explained to the room of veterans what PTSD was.
When people come back from war and combat and they see maybe what the people in this room have seen many times over, and youre strong and you can handle it, but a lot of people cant handle it, Trump said.
There was a silence in the room after his statement, and people on social media were quick to express anger toward his comments.
Read more: https://www.buzzfeed.com/emaoconnor/trump-ptsd?utm_term=.jpWYLpAV9#.jhm608Lvb
And those soldiers who get taken prisoner and sit around for the rest of the war? Lazy!
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)isn't he?
(Qualification Re: murder and torture - as far as I know)
Tess49
(1,580 posts)brush
(53,949 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 3, 2016, 07:43 PM - Edit history (1)
His top staffers are going to need years of therapy after this as they'll be questioning their own failures to steer this fool away from making extremely damaging remarks at just the wrong time.
A good time for Hillary though, keep it up, Trumpster.
Roy Rolling
(6,943 posts)...his followup will be they lack "stamina".
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Sorry, that just made me spit out my water.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)For every contractor that was not fully compensated, hundreds of the workers of those contractors - - as well as that contractor - - lost wages, income, homes, businesses, caused bankruptcies, etc.
That counts as psychological torture to me given how stressful and life destroying that is.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,060 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,060 posts)Hes not a war hero, said Trump. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who werent captured.
July 18, 2015, at the Family Values Summit.
mountain grammy
(26,663 posts)I'll never understand the Republican mind.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,375 posts)McCain dumped wife #1 because she got disabled in an accident. She no longer met his standards.
mountain grammy
(26,663 posts)Grins
(7,246 posts)You are implying something that's not true. I have a good friend who used to work with McCain when both were still in uniform. I made that same claim to him one day and my friend corrected me.
To this day McCain's ex, Carol, remains on good terms with John McCain who agreed, as part of their divorce settlement, to pay her medical costs for life. And she had a lot of those 'costs'.
The reason for their divorce was that his years in as a Vietnam POW and her accident had changed both of them. Said Carol McCain at the time: My marriage ended because John McCain didnt want to be 40, he wanted to be 25. You know that happens...it just does."
It happens.
I'm no fan of McCain's - at all - but don't compare him to Trump.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)And, at least McCain did serve in the military. Trump chickened out.
kacekwl
(7,024 posts)who endorses Trump should be very disgusted with themselves. I have a son and daughter in law who both did deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan who suffer from PTSD among other things like ingesting gasoline from contractor supplied water. I swear if I get the opportunity I will teach him about suffering. Prick
mountain grammy
(26,663 posts)a small percentage to be sure, but why?
kacekwl
(7,024 posts)it's a lot more than those few.
mountain grammy
(26,663 posts)I saw way over 50% for Trump.
VMA131Marine
(4,159 posts)lark
(23,182 posts)Man-muzzle is desperately needed to shut him the fuck up and protect our ears from his absolute trash.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Who the fuck does that bastard think he is?
Brother Buzz
(36,487 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)It's only a matter of time now....
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)They tend to vote Republican and so this should be hit hard by Clinton.
kacekwl
(7,024 posts)Fox news.
packman
(16,296 posts)graduating from that military school with a bone spur in his foot - you know - that foot he keeps putting in his mouth.
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)Remember, he did actually say that he considered surviving STDs to be his "personal Vietnam". He actually said that!
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Pathetic
Trump
Stupidity
Disorder
tavernier
(12,410 posts)she should immediately come back with "Donald's bone spur".
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)My other brother and I had some struggles, but we managed better than our older brother. Same parents, same family, same upbringing, same home. No logical reason for the difference. For a goddamned draft dodger to speak about this in this manner though, is something that I can't take. The people in that room should have told him to get out of their sight.
Sand Rat Expat
(290 posts)How any service member, active duty or retired, can vote for this orange creature just boggles the mind. And of course, if any Democrat said the things he's said about the military, the media firestorm would last for weeks. I can't wait for this election to be over so we don't have to be constantly subjected to this insanity.
mrmpa
(4,033 posts)He was in the Marines. He was a Chosin Reservoir survivor. He was a good Dad despite his drinking and depressive episodes. Believe me he was a strong man.
lark
(23,182 posts)I really hope Hillary uses this strongly in the next debate, he's not human at all, he's a total monster!
olddad56
(5,732 posts)He has admited that the truth doesn't matter to him, and that if you tell the big lie long enough that people will believe it.
His goal is to become the next Hitler.
Jim__
(14,090 posts)After all, he went to a military high school.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)What a dangerous sexist racist greedy orange coward Trump is.
denbot
(9,901 posts)3 weeks ago my cousin shot himself on a beach in Washington State. He was a Marine who served from 67-68, at a place on the DMZ between North and South Vietnam called Con Thien.
Fuck him, and any asshole who supports him.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)denbot
(9,901 posts)They were in range of NVA artillery, and snipers. The shelling was constant, daily, without a pause. On patrol they did not contact ill-regular VC, just NVA. It was as bad as it got.
Last Memorial Day he sent me and 4 other family members this link, with the comment;
"Yeah, I was there at that time".
https://consortiumnews.com/2016/05/29/tragic-valor-of-marines-at-con-thien/
niyad
(113,701 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)dgibby
(9,474 posts)I took care of a lot of the 'Nam vets. Their war never ended, but then I think most wars never do for those who were in the thick of the battle.
yardwork
(61,737 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Losing a family member to suicide is horribly painful under any circumstances.
Trump is beyond evil. I will never understand anyone, particularly any vet, who supports him.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)How this disgusting coward could insult our brave veterans is just beyond belief. It is inexcusable.
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)A late uncle that served in Vietnam struggled with PTSD. This man didn't even serve.
Skittles
(153,254 posts)he doesn't pay federal taxes to support our troops
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)or sluts if he even acknowledged their lowly existence. A trailer home on one of the back roads around here has a home-made Trump/Pence sign out front of their house. No doubt Trump would consider the occupants losers. These people cannot be reasoned with.
Jon King
(1,910 posts)Some people will vote for someone who hates them. Strange phenomenon.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)While "Corrupt" Hillary is going to take their guns away, double their taxes, and give it to her cronies and gov'mint social programs for the lazy others. Its no contest.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)And why they think he would bother.
dmosh42
(2,217 posts)titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)Yeah he's an ass...but he he can't actually be dumb enough to stand in front of Military veterans and throw PTSD under the bus. That just doesn't make any sense at all.
I don't think you can convince me he isn't throwing in the towel.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)Throwing the election means he's deliberately saying crazy things, knowing they'll damage his chances. I do think he's been doing that about half the time. I don't think this is one of those times. Strong and weak are one of his running themes: "She wasn't strong," he said of the cop who shot that man. Now, yes, part of that was a dig at Hillary to say a woman shouldn't be doing this job. But he also quite clearly puts categorizes everyone by those terms. Strong or weak? (Women are always weak.)
To him, suicides are in the weak category. And he doesn't for a minute think he insulted anyone by saying that. Because he was raised in a time when that's what people said and believed about suicides. "He wasn't strong enough..." (to go on living). Trump thinks he complimented those other men (you're strong), and showed pity for those who tried their best, but didn't have what it takes. He probably thinks those men think the same thing. They're all strong men, right?
Like in the Apprentice. Only the strong survive. That's life. Of course, even if he had the right sentiments, he likely couldn't articulate them. This is why we kinda sorta like our presidents to be smart and well educated But I think he said exactly what he believed. Those who suicide are in the weak category. And it's shame, but what are you gonna do?
The CCC
(463 posts)Except his base won't let him.
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)But frankly even I have a hard time thinking Trump is dumb enough to say this out loud and to think it would advance his campaign with people somehow.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...He gives speeches to white male who venerate wars and war games and guns, who say "That's how we think, Mr. Trump, and how you act is how we want to act!" Essentially his audience is his mirror image. Given this, why would he ever have any reason to think any audience that was white and male and action minded (guns, fighting, etc.) wouldn't think like him? Or understand exactly what he meant and agreed with it? Every group of faux military guys (like the Bundys) DO think like him.
He doesn't tend to censor himself, but if he did, he wouldn't with these guys because they look like the sort that usually are in agreement with his thinking. The sort that hand him purple hearts in affirmation that he's brave and heroic and strong. That he tells it like it is. They get that. Right?
RobinA
(9,902 posts)he's throwing the election, and for the very reason you mention. Everything he says is from the same Trumpian cloth. He has been totally consistent in his comments as they reflect his world view. Plus, his comments always reflect and are delivered at the same middle school level of development.
I think he believes this crud and is reflecting his true developmental age. Otherwise he would be less consistent. If he were faking it he'd revert accidentally to adult thinking every now and then, but he never does!
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)Every now and then (and this is just me getting this "feeling" , in the way Trump looks and speaks, I sense this panic. It's the panic of a man who thinks "If I win..." And doesn't think, as he does most of the time, of how he'll live it up in the White House and everyone will kiss his ass, and a brass band will play when he walks in. These are the times when he realizes that president is a JOB, and it will compromise his lifestyle. Like he'll be forced to answer hard questions, or make decisions, or deal with diplomats for hours on end, or host boring dinners, or help hurricane victims, etc.
THAT isn't what he wants from winning this! He wants the plane and the brass band and the guard in their spiffy uniforms!
At such times, when it occurs to Trump that being president might require him to do actual WORK that he doesn't know how to do...I think he does try (consciously or not) to throw the election. Losing, after all, is a kind of winning because those who love him will believe he was rooked out of the presidency. So, he'll still be seen as a winner to them. And having all these new millions of fans, means a new revenue stream to give him the lifestyle he wants. Still, yes, MOST of the time he still wants to be president because it's a contest and he likes to win. Especially if winning includes cheating and intimidating and screwing people over. But I also think that once in a while, he realizes what winning will mean homework. Lots of homework on subjects he knows nothing about. And at those times, I think he wants to back out.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)... things like this on a regular basis.
And the sad fact is that he might still win, somehow. He should be polling well below the 3rd party candidates for all of this, and yet...
bora13
(860 posts)he is trying to taunt America in being the hell home team....
and I don't even believe in hell!
bucolic_frolic
(43,425 posts)Frightening, this is still very frightening
that someone would try to go backwards on so many things
Have we learned nothing?
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 4, 2016, 12:14 PM - Edit history (1)
The army may have been far more savvy after WWII about shell-shock, but most regular, never-been-in-the-military people didn't start to believe it was real until the 80's. Donald's never had to evolve; in a cocoon of wealth and power, he's been able to remain that guy from the 50's-60's-70's, when he was in his spoilt prime: racist, sexist, clueless, insulting. I'll add that I'm absolutely sure he has no clue why those words might have offended anyone.
He is frozen in a past era. And I, for one, am glad he's showing everyone what going back to that past era, when America was "great" will be like. An era (50's-60's-70's) when PTSD hadn't even been named that, and was still regarded (re: shell shocked or combat fatigue) as a sign of weakness.
bucolic_frolic
(43,425 posts)Doc Holliday
(719 posts)combat fatigue, shell shock, etc. Different name, same misery for the veteran.
Pathwalker
(6,600 posts)See this link: http://www.ptsd.va.gov/professional/PTSD-overview/ptsd-overview.asp
I know, because I was diagnosed with it in 1982.
bucolic_frolic
(43,425 posts)the practitioners outside those treating it took years to catch up
Hekate
(90,930 posts)They have to -- it's right in front if them. Shattered nerves...Shell Shock... There were names before PTSD.
bucolic_frolic
(43,425 posts)but you make a good point
Pathwalker
(6,600 posts)diagnosed with PTSD. I was diagnosed by a war vet, though, who recognized my symptoms, and gtave me several tests that led to his diagnosis.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...Trump is stuck pre-PTSD (50's-60's-70's). And back then most people, even many in the military, thought "combat fatigue" was just another way of saying cowardice OR, if it was real, could easily be cured if the man experiencing it wanted to be cured We were and still are a horribly ignorant nation when it comes to mental health issues.
But we have evolved some. Trump hasn't had to evolve, and that's why every time he opens his mouth you get this time warp back to the bad-old-days when those who came back from war displaying mental health issues were viewed as weak. Yep. America was sure "great" back then.
niyad
(113,701 posts)you hate-filled, arrogant, draft-dodging, lying, thieving, perverted piece of filth.
Jon King
(1,910 posts)Anyone left supporting him is seriously damaged in some way as a human being.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)He projects his own awfulness.
Old Vet
(2,001 posts)This time his statement is very personal to me.
sarge43
(28,946 posts)Hubby, another old vet with a VSM, remarked that Trump is running out of people to insult.
I do not understand how any veteran can be within spitting distance of that creature and not react appropriately.
hibbing
(10,111 posts)madaboutharry
(40,239 posts)Donald Trump is a disgraceful person.
BassMazter2016
(88 posts)Towlie
(5,329 posts)It got Patton into a lot of trouble and he was forced to apologize several times over.
more...
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)He needs to crawl back under the rock he was hiding under.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)LuckyLib
(6,821 posts)Democat
(11,617 posts)He won't pay taxes and now he calls PTSD sufferers weak.
MFM008
(19,827 posts)Military vote for this creature?
Anyone who does should be thanked for their service
Then slapped.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)The candidates' understanding rarely rises above the colloquy of 'common knowledge' of breakrooms and kitchen tables.
With a few notable exceptions, as a cohort politicians are particularly bad on mental illness and -social- gun violence, and have done much to create the public view that mentally ill who have not killed someone should be considered perps in waiting.
Wounded Bear
(58,758 posts)It certainly needs to be addressed. A lot of our drug/mental health/violence issues can be traced to PTSD, and not just from returning veterans. There's a lot of PTSD suffered domestically.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Because of that nothing should be trusted about such statistics
If you look at mental health and violence issues you have to be VERY careful about excluding violence in institutions.
Most of the institutionalized mentally ill sleep in prisons. Prisons, those places where the staff regularly create confrontations by enforcing rules and regulations that essentially criminalize non-compliant behaviors that are typical of mental illness.
When you look at social violence, aka -violence against others outside of institutions- it turns out that the -any types of aggression- by the mentally ill per year is about 6.8%. That's less than 2% greater than -any types of aggression- by the general public not identified as having a mental illness. The difference in odds ratios is really not behaviorally, or politically significant enough to drive legislation (and institutional policy) that stigmatizes the mentally ill as violent-actors-in-waiting.
The significant health related multiplier of social violence is drug abuse which pushes the likelihood of -any types of aggression- up to around 17% per year.
The first problem with all these studies is that the criminal justice system dominates reporting of aggression as reports of such events are required and reports are written by staff to protect themselves from charges of abuse.
So 'aggression' they report can't be trusted to be precise and even if it is accepted for the sake of argument as roughly correct it's really a tally of negative interactions between untrained staff who in their ignorance frequently provoke paranoia and defense with their impatience and insistence on rules
Sometimes these things are just outlandish...just last summer a jail was reported to have starved a mentally ill prisoner to death for non-compliance to hygiene codes.
The few careful studies that have been done, have been done in the UK and Sweden, mostly in Sweden. Those studies suggest that the primary cause of violence by institutionalized mentally ill persons is the mentally ill prisoner's perception of a threat of harm or actual harm by staff.
Wounded Bear
(58,758 posts)and institutionalized.
I recently lost a nephew to suicide. While I wasn't close to him, it certainly hit my sister hard.
My home state is going through some policy arguments this political season about how bad our state is on mental health in general. Sadly, it will probably won't amount to much after the election, regardless of the outcome. But at least it's in the public discussion, and all of the tax averse people are starting to realize that if you want to fix a problem, it will cost money, and require smart taxation policies, not just Cut! Cut! Cut!
Btw, my nephew didn't live in this state, but I suspect his care would have been no better here.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)My youngest brother committed suicide and he chose a gun as his second and final attempt to do that. Like most people who commit suicide he was not seeking assistance with mental health. The last thing he did before he killed himself was go bowling with his wife. Well hidden problem, I think...
There is no doubt that suicides that involve guns are a form of gun violence, but the public is most concerned about someone approaching them or a family members and doing violence against them. The public is concerned about going about normal things in their lives...such as going to school, the mall, the doctor, or church doesn't end in being gunned down. Suicides of avg citizens don't make front page news. Mass shootings in impoverished areas don't either, but, mass shootings in middle class environs almost always do, and the middle class is politically empowered.
A small number of suicides involve acts which put others at risk, although, murdering others prior to suicide or to engage suicide by cop is certainly a very contemporary concern. Still if you look at gun deaths that might be part of the mass-murder-plus-suicide category, the number of innocent victims killed per year is a fraction of the number of people intentionally killed by police. Police account for roughly 10% of gun homicides. Mass shootings account for less than 1% of gun deaths annually.
Forgetting suicide, getting killed randomly during some stranger's act of mass shooting is not a huge problem by the numbers, but it is undoubtedly THE most terrifying thing about gun violence. And that fear has tremendous capacity for political leverage based on nothing more than shared fear of it. Scapegoating that is important to dealing with that. And random mass shootings by mentally ill is THE THING which most promotes the most fear, thanks to the NRA's campaign about monsters amongst us.
To repeat, statistical analysis says it really ISN'T the most COMMON aspect of the gun violence problem. But it fits into the gestalt on the street. Who but crazy people shoot masses of people? The NRA pushes this, politicians buy it... the mentally ill are the gun wielding monsters among us. Politicians don't fight popular views, they go along with them and so Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, Gary Johnson and Jill Stein aren't significantly different on their approach to ending gun violence.
All of them argue targeting the mentally ill as a way to end gun violence.
And so the mentally ill must have less privacy protections. The mentally ill must be more regularly evaluated as to their dangerousness. And if they have not already been charged with violence they must be considered as pre-perpetrators of social violence, just waiting for an opportunity. Hell why take the chance with crazy people? Right?
That shit is why a mentally ill person confronted by the police has a 30 times greater risk of being killed by a cop than a non-mentally ill person, it's 9mm/38 calibre prejudice. And everyone KNOWS it and buys it, and that socially acceptable prejudice is the reason persons diagnosed with mentally disorders have a bit more than 80% unemployment rate nationally.
And THAT is a very serious problem. Because, no one really knows how many people needing mental health care are just too damned afraid of the consequences of a mental illness dx to seek help.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)of mental illness.
George II
(67,782 posts)Marc2010
(117 posts)Kinda of strange coming from someone who never even donned a military uniform
brooklynite
(94,852 posts)(New York Military Academy -- 2nd from left)
crazylikafox
(2,763 posts)After what he said today, it really brings it home.
sarge43
(28,946 posts)Motley13
(3,867 posts)the maggot knows all about the military, he was in military school, & his private Vietnam was avoiding STDs.
AND he knows more than the generals.
bloviating, buffoon, "bigly"
hibbing
(10,111 posts)I thought after months of him saying all kinds of bs three or four times a day I was becoming immune to his blathering.
This is the worst, I literally feel sick to my stomach.
Peace
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)That anyone could be that stupid. That cruel. That insensitive. These are OUR veterans. Whether you agree with the wars they fought in, they put THEIR lives on the line to go into harms way to carry out the policy of the United States. To imply that those who saw the horrors of war close up and personal and who suffered TRAUMA because of it somehow aren't strong enough is too horrible for words.
And this from a privileged, elitist, narcissistic asshole who thinks that going to a military prep school is somehow better than serving, and who got a deferment so he wouldn't have to serve is just so beyond reason. Can we finally, finally say: "At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)Because the answer is quite obviously "no". And neither he nor his followers care.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Very well said.
Solly Mack
(90,795 posts)he so anxiously cultivates with a practiced aggressive demeanor in hopes no one sees how truly pathetic he really is.
Typical bully. A scared little weakling at the core.
Chakaconcarne
(2,474 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,484 posts)kimbutgar
(21,237 posts)A physician willing to lie about his foot problems while he participated in athletics in school
annabanana
(52,791 posts)and buy stock in tighty whiteys..
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)whose sexual organs are infected with contagious combo of syphilis, gonorrhea, HIV, and the virus that causes anal cysts far more than I could ever respect or support Teh Donald. At least they who what they are doing.
Botany
(70,627 posts)Trump is human garbage.
louis-t
(23,309 posts)Entitled, narcissistic prick.
GoCubsGo
(32,099 posts)Or, is he really that horrible? Some days, I think the conspiracy theory that he's really working in tandem with Hillary to bring down the GOP is true. This is starting to feel like one of those days. Although, I have heard too many stories from over the decades about just what a huge asshole this guy is, that I don't really believe those conspiracy theories.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,099 posts)We are hearing them here. No doubt those who saw combat, or have loved ones who did, are probably going to hear them, as well. If they haven't already. And, so will many military-worshiping civilians.
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,792 posts)The stage should have been rushed and him slapped down so bad.
This hits too close to home.
He has no idea. Maybe we should give him something to get PTSD.
Sorry I'm livid I'm not making sense.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)He is, without question, the strongest man I have ever personally known. My dad has more strength in his pinky finger than Trump has in his entire bloated body.
Fuck. You. Trump.
Vinca
(50,322 posts)for all those years. Come to think of it, maybe Trump has end stage syphilis and that's why he acts the way he does.
Johnny2X2X
(19,240 posts)Tone deaf. Just totally clueless.
PTSD is not a sign of not being strong you giant douche!
TeamPooka
(24,279 posts)Dump The Rump
(26 posts)How much of the 14 Million dollars he conned his dad out of did he pay to get his deferment?
steve2470
(37,457 posts)If he was truly 8, I could overlook all his BS. However, he's 70, going on an emotional 8 year old level.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and you can bet he "could not handle it."
True Dough
(17,354 posts)All Americans will suffer from PTSD -- Post-Traumatic Stress from Donald.
queentonic
(243 posts)I was a medic in Vietnam and I can assure you he is a coward from his orange face to his bone-spur foot. What a piece of human excrement this Thing is.
Turbineguy
(37,386 posts)At least he was just an idiot.
democrank
(11,112 posts)multiple deferments, no military service, knows more than the generals. He`s a freaking chest-pounding bully chickenhawk who has spoken publicly on why P.O.W.`s aren`t war heroes.
I know lots of Vietnam Vets with PTSD. One of them is from the state of Maine and was a "tunnel rat" during the war.
Donald Trump and all his supporters should hang their heads in shame.
markbark
(1,563 posts)Pretty rich coming from a coward who got five deferments after graduating from a fake military academy during the Vietnam years.
....but I hear for the next debate that he's "taking the gloves off" -- from his tiny, tiny hands.
Tanuki
(14,926 posts)Obviously he's someone incapable of learning from his mistakes.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57d0b604e4b06a74c9f28f36
classykaren
(769 posts)Stuart G
(38,454 posts)not good to put down vets, imply they are not strong...you not smart....
dgibby
(9,474 posts)when he got called up from the Nat. Guard for active duty in the Pacific during WWII. One of his duties was to dig mass graves and bury Japanese soldiers. They called it shell shock then, and he had it in spades. Although he went on to be successful, he had episodes of depression and anger, which he treated with alcohol. Not only did he suffer from PTSD, all of us who loved him suffered, too, especially his wife and children.
As a Viet Nam Era Navy nurse, I took care of many Marines and sailors who suffered the tortures of the damned with PTSD. They were not weak. They were some of the strongest people I have ever known.
I can only hope Trump gets the life he so richly deserves. A nice case of ALS would be a great start.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)So, this is why PTSD is trending on Twitter. I was looking a twitter a few hours ago and saw that PTSD was trending. I slightly wondered why it was trending. I did not think it was because Donald Trump had yet again said something stupid.
However, his meaning might have been missed. Maybe Trump was saying people who commit suicide can not handle PTSD; not that people with PTSD are not strong. I get that the comment is bad either way, but there is a difference between saying some is weak for having a problem and saying someone is not strong enough to handle a problem. I think there is a need to look at the full quote.
Kablooie
(18,645 posts)He told the veterans in the room that they were strong, see?
Uh... Hmm.
OncoRN
(19 posts)He's so wrong on so many issues. It's not always psychological, there are many studies that now show that PTSD is many times caused by physical trauma to the head. But neither would psychological or physiological matter to him he's a God who's really really great, some would say perrrfect!
UCmeNdc
(9,601 posts)Troops? Trump does not care about the Troops.
world wide wally
(21,758 posts)tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Their home office is listed as being in Austin. Just watched bits and pieces of the entire event. A fucking who's who of sickening Republicans. Most of those "warriors" never fought in combat. Most sat in an office somewhere, and mostly in the Pentagon. They made purchasing decisions and became wealthy because of their position of influence purchasing options. Few in that crowd, if any, were the least bit offended by Trump's words.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)Have no experience actually in combat. I cringe every time I get called a "warrior" or I hear that word or when anyone compares sports to war or anything like that.
For what it's worth, I'm totally disabled by PTSD that I got after serving 13 months as an infantryman in Iraq 2004-2005. I spend a lot of my time at the local VA and in various psych wards.
I might be weaker than veterans who did the same stuff as me and who didn't get PTSD, but I'm certainly stronger than a guy who sought multiple deferments from fighting in a war.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)My nephew is a retired Navy officer, his son is a new Marine. They think Trump is better than pockets on a shirt.
Why? Maybe because he is running as a Republican. Maybe because he talks about blowing Iranian ships out of the water or bombing the shit out of ISIS. My nephew's son thinks Melania is "hot". They are like a cult that is brainwashed. Who the fuck knows, but there's 40 million people that are this fucking stupid. Arrrggh.
sarge43
(28,946 posts)I'll match them with two retired Air Force noncoms who think calling Trump rat droppings is insulting rats. Both voted for Sanders in the primary and will vote for Clinton this November.
Not all of us are war lovers; in fact damn few of us are.
cagefreesoylentgreen
(838 posts)This kind of talk is precisely what keeps PTSD sufferers from seeking help and feeling ashamed.
I have a friend who has PTSD as a result of years of emotional abuse by her father. Her man-baby dad is convinced that people with PTSD are faking it and depression isn't real. You can guess whom he's voting for.
This shit makes me want to vomit.
TNNurse
(6,931 posts)after that comment has no self respect and does not care about other vets.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)They started less than 2 months ago. I watched parts of this gathering. The speakers were no only Trump, but pretty much just as despicable.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)When he got back, after his 4th tour...he was really messed up. He had a 6 year old daughter when he left, she was almost 8 when he got back. He has suffered ever since, Donald is a worthless, un-American toad.
What is sad, is that student is supporter Trump. Makes me nuts.
wryter2000
(46,119 posts)I hope when he's trounced in the election some vet comes up to him and tells him this was the final straw.
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)with a statement like that. I would think that maybe they didn't mean it the way it sounds, but with Trump I little doubt he meant it just like it sounds. He's already proven himself to be completely detached from reality when it comes to vets and what they go through (and everything else for that matter)
catbyte
(34,503 posts)bag of suet and gas.
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)I'd love him to experience a few minutes of something like combat. I think he'd be overwhelmed with PTSD in seconds.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)BadGimp
(4,021 posts)The man has his own wing in the AssClown Hall Of Fame!
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Oh and you know Hillary will jump on this
murielm99
(30,779 posts)served two tours in Iraq. He came home and committed suicide. His family has worked for suicide prevention and PSTD causes ever since. It has been almost ten years.
I hope they do not hear about this. Their pain will never go away.
rladdi
(581 posts)People I have talk to likes his tough talk and language. They know nothing about what his policies and solutions are. They couldn't name one for me. This is the dangerous part that people don't care what he will do after elected.
Dorian Gray
(13,514 posts)What a freaking moron.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Aviation Pro
(12,219 posts)Fuck you, poser.
A few more: take that shit to Bragg or Little Creek and see how that goes, fucko.
They_Live
(3,242 posts)for donnie fuckface.
mahina
(17,726 posts)He is not a man.
47of74
(18,470 posts)Double and triple fuck you in fact.
Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)one regard or another. There are not too many that strengthen you, sad to say.
However, there's been many a soldier who suffered from PTSD, because his heart was too brave and too strong, with the result that that he put himself in harm's way too often. One such glaring instance was of a sergeant-major. He was shot for being a malingerer, 'pour encourager les autres'. How did you fare under withering fire in your war, Don ? Take a lot to make you wither, wouldn't it ?
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)He's got to have some serious mental condition that he could be put away for. The things that come out of his mouth wouldn't be said by a reasonably well-raised toddler.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)"It stings! It stings! I can't run anymore! It's Hot!!!. The mask is fogging up!!!"
Rocknrule
(5,697 posts)If I hadn't been too busy dodging STDs to fight in 'Nam, I would've caught bullets with my teeth and beaten the enemy to death with their own severed arms, because I'm the manliest he-man who ever lived. Sad!"
I can't wait until this orange-skinned, hate-mongering, daughter-fucking, pathologically-lying, serial-adultering, tween-raping, chronically-tweeting, trash-talking, fat-shaming, Putin-fellating, dictator-idolizing, self-worshipping, conspiracy theory-spreading, birth certificate-questioning, tax-cheating, violence-inciting POS gets his ass handed to him by a girl on November 8
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)Or any other mental illness for that matter.
For Trump to say that people who have PTSD aren't strong is a bit rich... coming from someone who has the mental strength of a gnat, and I apologize to all gnats because it's probably not a fair comparison. Yup, Trump himself probably has some kind of mental disorder and he needs to withdraw from the Presidential race as he is not mentally fit for multiple reasons to occupy the office of the President of the United States of America.
I'd rather vote for a veteran who's suffering from PTSD than Trump. If John McCain suffered or suffer from PTSD then yes between McCain and Trump I'd vote for McCain. Fortunately there's a far better choice than Trump.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)Obviously he would have handled it better if not for that dang hang nail/hemoroid or whatever got him out of Vietnam.
Marthe48
(17,079 posts)eom
burrowowl
(17,653 posts)and let him fiend for himself!
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)report back about how strong his is that weak brained imbecile.
Retired George
(332 posts)TonyPDX
(962 posts)While less-privileged American draftees were fighting, his "personal Viet Nam" was avoiding STD's during his myriad sexual adventures.
In other words, Trump was "Jody."
neeksgeek
(1,214 posts)A number of family members, coworkers, students, and close friends have been, however. I know men and women who served during WWII, Vietnam, the Persian Gulf War, and most recently Afghanistan & Iraq.
After talking with them, and hearing the stories they are willing to share, I have great respect for all of them. Even those who weren't directly in combat had experiences I can't imagine. (Example: my Dad was in the USAF, based in Okinawa during the Vietnam War. Although he worked in communications, he certainly saw the results of air combat.)
Whether or not any of them suffered from PTSD (also known in previous wars as "combat fatigue" or "shell-shock" , they are stronger then Donald Trump and his fellow armchair generals will ever be.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)I am pretty sure he had undiagnosed PTSD from that; nightmares, alcoholic, fits of rage, etc., etc, for the rest of his life. He once said to me, and I cannot forget his words, "The blood of those monsters runs through my veins (of German heritage)."
The blood of those monsters also runs through Donald Trump's veins. I am sure Trump would consider those Nazis "strong people" he would admire.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)rladdi
(581 posts)American support this guy. Its all about himself and making more money. Wake up crazy Americans. And why does the military support this guy?
lark
(23,182 posts)including my boss.
riversedge
(70,383 posts)riversedge
(70,383 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,992 posts)After all, he says they are only heroes because they were captured.
Joey Liberal
(5,526 posts)Any veteran that votes for Trump is a fool.
JL
Army Vet
Retired George
(332 posts)and Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Donald, go fuck yourself!