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EricMaundry

(1,619 posts)
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 08:56 AM Sep 2016

Donald Trump Will Not Debate Hillary, If Gary Johnson Not Allowed To Participate

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Source: Santa Monica Observer

The Donald Trump for President 2016 campaign has announced that it will pull out of the September 26 schedule debate between democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton and Republican nominee Trump, unless third-party candidates Gary Johnson and Jill Stein are also allowed to participate.

This is a tactical move believed by most analysis to help Trump because the third-party candidates seem to pull more from Clinton's support then they do from Trump's.

The requirement that presidential candidates average at least 15 percent support in national polls in order to participate in the presidential election debate stage is “probably too high,” Sen. Bernie Sanders said Sunday morning.

The Commission on Presidential Debates announced its 15 percent threshold last year, and last month it announced the set of five national polls it would use to measure each candidate’s support. The barrier is no problem for Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Donald Trump, but it presents a potentially insurmountable hurdle for third party presidential candidates like Libertarian Gary Johnson and the Green Party’s Jill Stein.

Read more: http://www.smobserved.com/story/2016/09/04/news/donald-trump-will-not-debate-hillary-if-gary-johnson-not-allowed-to-participate/1894.html

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Donald Trump Will Not Debate Hillary, If Gary Johnson Not Allowed To Participate (Original Post) EricMaundry Sep 2016 OP
F*K that weasel. He doesn't make the rules, though I have no doubt the sorry excuse we have for a still_one Sep 2016 #1
Surprised he doesn't want Jill Stein rpannier Sep 2016 #3
In the article, PatSeg Sep 2016 #47
I want to see a candidate from "The Rent is too Damn High" party. lol. n/t CincyDem Sep 2016 #57
I have a feeling that this panal might be bullied by Donald. riversedge Sep 2016 #7
No, he doesn't. Igel Sep 2016 #55
And here we go! True Dough Sep 2016 #2
He is probably afraid someone will see his small hands and leopards have a hard time changing spots nolabels Sep 2016 #14
? It says he wants Jill Stein (sorry, this was meant as a reply to post #3) Demit Sep 2016 #4
He doesn't want to debate. It was obvious something like this was coming. Chakab Sep 2016 #5
^^^ THIS ^^^ Eagle_Eye Sep 2016 #29
I thought that he was going to complain about the moderators and refuse to participate Chakab Sep 2016 #30
Saw it coming. yellerpup Sep 2016 #35
I knew he would come up with some excuse. He does NOT want to have a one-on-one with Hillary. Lil Missy Sep 2016 #6
Exactly!!! He knows he's a total loser. n/t RKP5637 Sep 2016 #13
He is not capable of talking Cryptoad Sep 2016 #16
And treating a woman like an equal - oh the horrors! rurallib Sep 2016 #38
I'm shocked Botany Sep 2016 #8
umm...Sanders was asked about this also Sunday.... riversedge Sep 2016 #9
Sanders' should just go back to Vermont and deal with those issues still_one Sep 2016 #19
He probably keeps forgetting that he has no right to any opinions as a U.S. citizen and Senator. nt Gore1FL Sep 2016 #27
If this is the way he helps Hillary, by indirectly encouraging debate rule changes, for a still_one Sep 2016 #45
I thought he was going to be out "actively" campaigning for Hillary. Loki Sep 2016 #43
Adopting the R/W talking points about a lower threshold, and his remarks regarding the Clinton still_one Sep 2016 #49
Once Again His Petty Loserism Me. Sep 2016 #56
I don't recall Clinton being asked her opinion on any campaign issue in 2008. displacedtexan Sep 2016 #59
So, she can debate an empty chair. JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2016 #10
Then HRC needs to pulls a Clint "Empty Chair" Cryptoad Sep 2016 #11
That would be delightful to actually see. riversedge Sep 2016 #33
This is not being reported in any other place except this little site OKNancy Sep 2016 #12
That is the only source I can find as well PatSeg Sep 2016 #51
No other media outlet is carrying this story.... brooklynite Sep 2016 #15
I've been wondering too. I just searched and searched, nothing but this one paper. That, RKP5637 Sep 2016 #18
trumps afraid to stand alone against clinton because he's never done a real debate. republican Sunlei Sep 2016 #17
This source is also "reporting" that SpaceX was blown up by UFOs sufrommich Sep 2016 #20
Yep, I've been thinking that more and more, that this paper does bogus reporting. n/t RKP5637 Sep 2016 #22
Seems that Cryptoad Sep 2016 #23
Then it seems like a good place .. Jim Dandy Sep 2016 #25
He knows that debating Hillary Pakid Sep 2016 #21
If this is real Andy823 Sep 2016 #24
Isn't that what useful idiots ... Jim Dandy Sep 2016 #26
You know what then lets have Tim Kaine up there debating, they are a team-----------why the hell not turbinetree Sep 2016 #28
Put an empty podium out there Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #31
This is a made-up story from a site that reports on UFO sightings oberliner Sep 2016 #32
I knew he'd come up with some bullshit so there'd be no debate CanonRay Sep 2016 #34
No way he gets away with this. Arkana Sep 2016 #36
The story is not true oberliner Sep 2016 #39
Interesting that this is the only news source reporting this... book_worm Sep 2016 #37
It's not a real story oberliner Sep 2016 #40
I think the third party candidates help define the issues. Sienna86 Sep 2016 #41
Define 'all citizens'. Do you think Sienna86 should be in a televised debate? randome Sep 2016 #46
Looks like this 'paper' specialises in making up pro-Libertarian stories muriel_volestrangler Sep 2016 #42
Sounds good if Trump pulls out. Helen Borg Sep 2016 #44
Wow, that's the best excuse Trump can find to weasel out of this? Coyotl Sep 2016 #48
Sounds like a mistake to me FBaggins Sep 2016 #50
Trump wasn't going on stage against Hillary...... beachbumbob Sep 2016 #52
Trump doesn't want a one on one debate. He flourished in the three ring circus that was the Trust Buster Sep 2016 #53
*sigh* UFO site has now misinformed many DUers Imperialism Inc. Sep 2016 #54
This is a fake story PSPS Sep 2016 #58
Locking OKNancy Sep 2016 #60

still_one

(92,617 posts)
1. F*K that weasel. He doesn't make the rules, though I have no doubt the sorry excuse we have for a
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:01 AM
Sep 2016

media will jump at this bullshit

rpannier

(24,359 posts)
3. Surprised he doesn't want Jill Stein
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:05 AM
Sep 2016

the candidate from the constitution party, the communist party, the birthday party and any other party he can think of
The fewer people on stage the dumber he looks
He wants a bunch on stage
It's partially how he took the repub nomination

PatSeg

(47,913 posts)
47. In the article,
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:21 AM
Sep 2016

he does want Jill Stein included as well. I knew he'd start finding excuses to get out of the debates.

CincyDem

(6,429 posts)
57. I want to see a candidate from "The Rent is too Damn High" party. lol. n/t
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:48 AM
Sep 2016

riversedge

(70,669 posts)
7. I have a feeling that this panal might be bullied by Donald.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:14 AM
Sep 2016

Igel

(35,425 posts)
55. No, he doesn't.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:42 AM
Sep 2016

A private 501(c)(3) corporation makes the rules. At least for the debates that it sponsors.

Yes, the Commission for Presidential Debates is a private organization (a fairly transparent one, to be sure, but answerable only to itself). The name of the organization lets many assume it has some official status, perhaps governmental. It's a bad assumption, but one that's seldom questioned.

Most such organizations (including the Boy Scouts, League of Women Voters, and the Santa Monica Cactus and Succulent Society) are entitled to sponsor presidential debates. Few do.

The CPD was founded, however, for the purpose of hosting such debates. It needs to set the cut-off in order to prevent Joe Smith down the street with 23 supporters (all relatives) from qualifying. But its rules aren't set by Congress and it can change them.

Notice that this entire post ignores whether Trump made this statement or not, whether I think it's a good proposal or not.

True Dough

(17,457 posts)
2. And here we go!
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:04 AM
Sep 2016

This was entirely expected. Don the Con will tilt the playing field in his favor or will take his ball and go home.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
14. He is probably afraid someone will see his small hands and leopards have a hard time changing spots
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:22 AM
Sep 2016

Or was it something about chickens changing their feathers? No matter, a complacent corporate press and an oligarch that enhances their wealth through deception should we really be expecting change through traditional routes

I am scratching off this whole year as one that is not worth remembering too much about

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
4. ? It says he wants Jill Stein (sorry, this was meant as a reply to post #3)
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:08 AM
Sep 2016
 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
5. He doesn't want to debate. It was obvious something like this was coming.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:09 AM
Sep 2016

Eagle_Eye

(1,439 posts)
29. ^^^ THIS ^^^
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:48 AM
Sep 2016

Trump ain't gonna' debate.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
30. I thought that he was going to complain about the moderators and refuse to participate
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:49 AM
Sep 2016

because of their "bias" against him.

This is a more interesting way to weasel out. I'll give him that.

yellerpup

(12,254 posts)
35. Saw it coming.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:59 AM
Sep 2016

He wasn't 'prepping' for the debate. No show coward with nothing to say.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
6. I knew he would come up with some excuse. He does NOT want to have a one-on-one with Hillary.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:09 AM
Sep 2016

He knows he'll come off looking like a jackass.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
13. Exactly!!! He knows he's a total loser. n/t
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:21 AM
Sep 2016

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
16. He is not capable of talking
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:24 AM
Sep 2016

civilly for hour and half without a telepromter

rurallib

(62,537 posts)
38. And treating a woman like an equal - oh the horrors!
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:01 AM
Sep 2016

Botany

(70,730 posts)
8. I'm shocked
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:14 AM
Sep 2016

riversedge

(70,669 posts)
9. umm...Sanders was asked about this also Sunday....
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:17 AM
Sep 2016



.............The requirement that presidential candidates average at least 15 percent support in national polls in order to participate in the presidential election debate stage is “probably too high,” Sen. Bernie Sanders said Sunday morning.

still_one

(92,617 posts)
19. Sanders' should just go back to Vermont and deal with those issues
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:29 AM
Sep 2016

Gore1FL

(21,217 posts)
27. He probably keeps forgetting that he has no right to any opinions as a U.S. citizen and Senator. nt
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:39 AM
Sep 2016

still_one

(92,617 posts)
45. If this is the way he helps Hillary, by indirectly encouraging debate rule changes, for a
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:18 AM
Sep 2016

lower threshold, then yes, I would rather he go back to Vermont, instead of appearing on national networks spewing out right wing nonsense about a lower threshold.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
43. I thought he was going to be out "actively" campaigning for Hillary.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:12 AM
Sep 2016

I haven't seen this at all. Does is surprise me, no.

still_one

(92,617 posts)
49. Adopting the R/W talking points about a lower threshold, and his remarks regarding the Clinton
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:22 AM
Sep 2016

Foundation, doesn't sound like someone campaigning for Hillary, but like someone wanting to get attention

Me.

(35,454 posts)
56. Once Again His Petty Loserism
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:47 AM
Sep 2016

Wins the day. What's the old saying,,,with friends like this.....Yes Bernie, do everything you can to mess up the good works that foundation does globally, especially as you haven't really done anything for anyone but yourself

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
59. I don't recall Clinton being asked her opinion on any campaign issue in 2008.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:52 AM
Sep 2016

Insulting Clinton continues.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,427 posts)
10. So, she can debate an empty chair.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:18 AM
Sep 2016

This is mostly silly stuff anyway. Are there really many people who are still undecided between Clinton and Trump? A debate might possibly help all three of the undecided voters make up their minds.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
11. Then HRC needs to pulls a Clint "Empty Chair"
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:20 AM
Sep 2016

riversedge

(70,669 posts)
33. That would be delightful to actually see.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:55 AM
Sep 2016

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
12. This is not being reported in any other place except this little site
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:21 AM
Sep 2016

Could be true, but I can find no verification.

PatSeg

(47,913 posts)
51. That is the only source I can find as well
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:27 AM
Sep 2016

brooklynite

(95,290 posts)
15. No other media outlet is carrying this story....
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:22 AM
Sep 2016

I find it hard to believe that a local paper Would scoop the national media on something this big.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
18. I've been wondering too. I just searched and searched, nothing but this one paper. That,
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:26 AM
Sep 2016

is strange and likely IMO an advertising gimmick.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
17. trumps afraid to stand alone against clinton because he's never done a real debate. republican
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:26 AM
Sep 2016

debates were just insults, veiled threats and tabloid bullshit.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
20. This source is also "reporting" that SpaceX was blown up by UFOs
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:30 AM
Sep 2016

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
22. Yep, I've been thinking that more and more, that this paper does bogus reporting. n/t
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:33 AM
Sep 2016

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
23. Seems that
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:34 AM
Sep 2016

some at this paper is " bogarting that joint"

 

Jim Dandy

(358 posts)
25. Then it seems like a good place ..
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:35 AM
Sep 2016

.. for Trump news.

Pakid

(478 posts)
21. He knows that debating Hillary
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:31 AM
Sep 2016

will be a real mistake for him this is just his way of chickening out while trying to save face. Hillary will make a fool out of him and his very small tool

Andy823

(11,496 posts)
24. If this is real
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:35 AM
Sep 2016

It's tactic to gang up on Hillary, pure and simple. A few years back the Governor of Idaho pulled something like this. He got some real idiots into the debate he was to have with the Democrat running against him, and those two dominated the debate, and went after the Democrat leaving the republican Governor pretty much able to avoid the issues. This is what I see happening if Johnson and Stein are allowed in the debate, they will allow Trump to avoid having to actually come up with real answers, and he will use them to gang up on Hillary, especially Stein.

 

Jim Dandy

(358 posts)
26. Isn't that what useful idiots ...
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:38 AM
Sep 2016

... like Johnson and Stein are for?

turbinetree

(24,757 posts)
28. You know what then lets have Tim Kaine up there debating, they are a team-----------why the hell not
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:42 AM
Sep 2016

since the "donald" has chickened out of everything he has done his entire life, he looks for an excuse on everything.
I hope Clinton and this "commission" says and Clinton says I will be there were are you!!!!!

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
31. Put an empty podium out there
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:51 AM
Sep 2016

And ask her the questions for her to answer. Make sure it is known he was invited but declined.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
32. This is a made-up story from a site that reports on UFO sightings
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:53 AM
Sep 2016

Other articles on their front page:

Some Paranormal Experts Say Rare 737 Engine Blowout Due to UFO Encounter

UFO Causes SpaceX Rocket, Facebook Satellite to Explode; Photos, Video of UFO

Please delete this nonsense.

CanonRay

(14,180 posts)
34. I knew he'd come up with some bullshit so there'd be no debate
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:55 AM
Sep 2016

What a chickenshit loser

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
36. No way he gets away with this.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:01 AM
Sep 2016

If he does not attend the debate I GUARANTEE you that the press, which already doesn't like him, will fucking CRUCIFY him. Hillary will have tailor-made campaign ads calling him a coward for the rest of the election.

There are a few things you cannot do in a Presidential election in the modern era, and refusing to debate is one of them. He cannot and WILL not be allowed to get away with it without taking a beating.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
39. The story is not true
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:04 AM
Sep 2016

This is not a legitimate source.

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
37. Interesting that this is the only news source reporting this...
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:01 AM
Sep 2016

You would think it was all over the web if true and on CBS, ABC, FOX, NBC & Cable.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
40. It's not a real story
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:04 AM
Sep 2016

This is a bogus source.

The other stories on their front page are about UFOs.

Sienna86

(2,150 posts)
41. I think the third party candidates help define the issues.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:06 AM
Sep 2016

I'd be happy of all citizens had a voice in the debates. Why should that threaten a Democrat?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
46. Define 'all citizens'. Do you think Sienna86 should be in a televised debate?
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:19 AM
Sep 2016

There needs to be a limit on the number of parties, otherwise we'll have a hundred different 'actors' vying for the stage. There are currently more than 35 political parties in the U.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States

Having all of them in a debate would be sheer chaos. Everyone has the opportunity to be heard. It's called campaigning.
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muriel_volestrangler

(101,480 posts)
42. Looks like this 'paper' specialises in making up pro-Libertarian stories
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:10 AM
Sep 2016

eg, about a month ago, they ran "Romney, McCain, Bush, other major Republicans Set to Endorse Libertarian". But that, of course, was made up.

The site is currently unavailable, due no doubt to a lot of people wanting to see if this stands up. Assume it doesn't.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
44. Sounds good if Trump pulls out.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:14 AM
Sep 2016
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
48. Wow, that's the best excuse Trump can find to weasel out of this?
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:21 AM
Sep 2016

My apologies to all the real, furry weasels with real hair.

FBaggins

(26,861 posts)
50. Sounds like a mistake to me
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:25 AM
Sep 2016

I'd bet that there are more Trump supporters who will only vote for him because the only alternative is Clinton - than the other way around. Making a 3rd party candidate look legitimate can't help him.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
52. Trump wasn't going on stage against Hillary......
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:34 AM
Sep 2016

No surprise here....Hillary should debate an empty chair..

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
53. Trump doesn't want a one on one debate. He flourished in the three ring circus that was the
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:35 AM
Sep 2016

Republican primary debates. It allows him to deflect. Trump needs the debates to catch up more than Hillary needs them. Hillary would be foolish to cave to this fools games.

Imperialism Inc.

(2,495 posts)
54. *sigh* UFO site has now misinformed many DUers
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:38 AM
Sep 2016

who will no doubt be very surprised when they discover the debates are still on.

I tried alerting based on this being a kook website but I guess it survived the jury. Any ideas how to get this removed from LBN? Does anyone know which of the forum hosts tend to be most active?

edit: geez and it even has enough recs to make it to the greatest page.

PSPS

(13,664 posts)
58. This is a fake story
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:49 AM
Sep 2016

1. No other media outlet is reporting this.

2. The story contains no link or reference to any such "announcement" nor any attribution for it.

3. The Intercept has a story today that says just the opposite:
https://theintercept.com/2016/09/04/donald-trump-once-wanted-third-parties-in-presidential-debate-but-not-now/

4. This "Santa Monica Observer" also has these stories:
- Some Paranormal Experts Say Rare 737 Engine Blowout Due to UFO Encounter
- UFO Causes SpaceX Rocket, Facebook Satellite to Explode; Photos, Video of UFO

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
60. Locking
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 11:04 AM
Sep 2016

not a reputable news site.

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