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Jemmons

(711 posts)
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:43 PM Jul 2016

Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet agrees to Labour peace talks

Source: The Grauniad

Jeremy Corbyn’s shadow cabinet has agreed to back formal peace negotiations between the warring factions of the Labour party to try to prevent all-out war.

Len McCluskey, the general secretary of the Unite union, met Corbyn and his deputy leader, Tom Watson, on Tuesday in what some Corbyn loyalists hope will be the first step towards a brokered deal – involving MPs, unions and the party’s national executive committee – that could ensure a dignified exit for the embattled leader.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/05/len-mccluskey-plays-peacemaker-between-corbyn-and-watson

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Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet agrees to Labour peace talks (Original Post) Jemmons Jul 2016 OP
I am glad to see they are looking to calm things down and give Corbyn a graceful way out. hrmjustin Jul 2016 #1
Corbyn was elected with59.5% of the votes, the runner up got 19.0% Jemmons Jul 2016 #11
How many people voted in that leadership election? hrmjustin Jul 2016 #12
If you dont know what you are talking about you might want to make sure that your oppinions Jemmons Jul 2016 #13
251,000 people voted for corbyn in that leadership election. hrmjustin Jul 2016 #16
Which is exactly what the arrogant pricks in the gang of blairites tend to think rather unsurprising Jemmons Jul 2016 #17
Well if you want to beat the Blairites you need a stronger candidate for leadership. hrmjustin Jul 2016 #18
Or maybe you are rather clueless as to what is needed Jemmons Jul 2016 #19
You have a lovely day. hrmjustin Jul 2016 #20
Thx Jemmons Jul 2016 #21
I don't think people knew then.... T_i_B Jul 2016 #23
Wasn't he voted in overwhelmingly? Ash_F Jul 2016 #2
Votes does not count if they are not votes on the elites Jemmons Jul 2016 #3
Brexit is a pretty vague explanation if that is all they got. Ash_F Jul 2016 #4
They had that and decorated it with suggestion about results of the next election which they seem Jemmons Jul 2016 #5
I would ask them to elaborate Ash_F Jul 2016 #6
Yes. 0.0 reason. But pure nothing sold with appeals to fear, authority, tradition and greed will Jemmons Jul 2016 #7
Oh I am sure they have their reasons. They just won't say it publicly. Ash_F Jul 2016 #8
What should be obvious to anyone is that this is motivated more than anything by greed for power Jemmons Jul 2016 #9
Haha, point taken. I guess I should have said "interests" Ash_F Jul 2016 #10
Do you think the neoliberal PTB care about pesky democracy? Odin2005 Jul 2016 #15
Labour's biggest problems are incompetence and infighting T_i_B Jul 2016 #24
How can they make him step down without a vote? Ash_F Jul 2016 #25
They've decided against that T_i_B Jul 2016 #26
I mean what are the legal mechanics of making him step down? Ash_F Jul 2016 #27
They obviously can't force him out T_i_B Jul 2016 #28
So the neoliberal Blairites won their anti-democratic coup. Labour is doomed. Odin2005 Jul 2016 #14
Oh - nothing is settled now Jemmons Jul 2016 #22

Jemmons

(711 posts)
11. Corbyn was elected with59.5% of the votes, the runner up got 19.0%
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 07:33 PM
Jul 2016

So what do you suggest they should tell the voters after they let him down easy?

Jemmons

(711 posts)
13. If you dont know what you are talking about you might want to make sure that your oppinions
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:31 AM
Jul 2016

sounds less presumptuous.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
16. 251,000 people voted for corbyn in that leadership election.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 08:35 AM
Jul 2016
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2015


Over 9 million voted for Labour Party Candidates in the 2015 general election.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2015


Since the elected members think he is a bad leader I think he can tell the people who voted for him that he tried but it didn't work out.

Jemmons

(711 posts)
17. Which is exactly what the arrogant pricks in the gang of blairites tend to think rather unsurprising
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:05 AM
Jul 2016

It is this kind of thinking that has made for the chaos that now prevails and which will get a lot worse if there is no improvement between the needs of the population and the way the country is lead.

You have pretty much the same situation in the US where there is no real correlation between voter support and legislation.

But yeah, the opinion of a few elites is what makes the day. I dont see this ending well for the elites though.

Jemmons

(711 posts)
19. Or maybe you are rather clueless as to what is needed
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:34 AM
Jul 2016

I dont see any evidence that you have any understanding of what is needed.

T_i_B

(14,767 posts)
23. I don't think people knew then....
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 05:40 AM
Jul 2016

Last edited Sat Jul 16, 2016, 07:02 AM - Edit history (1)

...just how inept he would be as party leader.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
2. Wasn't he voted in overwhelmingly?
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jul 2016

What is the argument for trying to oust him? The article skips that.

Jemmons

(711 posts)
3. Votes does not count if they are not votes on the elites
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 06:07 PM
Jul 2016

It is basically the Blairites who thought they could use the Brexit vote as an excuse for pushing out a democratically elected party leader by staging a no-confidence vote among the labor members of parliament. His response was something like this: Please make an official leaderships contest with a proper vote among the members and have your arses handed to you again. They have now declined doing that.

Jemmons

(711 posts)
5. They had that and decorated it with suggestion about results of the next election which they seem
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 06:12 PM
Jul 2016

to know more about than anybody else on the planet.

Jemmons

(711 posts)
7. Yes. 0.0 reason. But pure nothing sold with appeals to fear, authority, tradition and greed will
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 06:30 PM
Jul 2016

apparently give you a 50/50 of success. Very few people have any grasp of the way that the "left" have abandoned the bottom 30% of the income scale and sold them on a pack of lies.

Jemmons

(711 posts)
9. What should be obvious to anyone is that this is motivated more than anything by greed for power
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 06:56 PM
Jul 2016

I an in the habit of reading "reason" as rational reason, something that you can actually argue rationally. Not sure if greed and strategies for making a undemocratic power grab is a reason in this sense.

The timing - just after the Brexit vote - reflect what they must have seen as an opportunity to make a move at a moment where Corbyn could be painted as a loser.

T_i_B

(14,767 posts)
24. Labour's biggest problems are incompetence and infighting
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 05:43 AM
Jul 2016

Last edited Sat Jul 16, 2016, 08:13 AM - Edit history (1)

These were major problems when Corbyn took over, and he has only exacerbated both problems.

This goes way beyond Blairites v Socialists. And there is a real risk of the party splitting if things carry on like this, which would be disastrous.

T_i_B

(14,767 posts)
26. They've decided against that
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 06:08 AM
Jul 2016

Last edited Sat Jul 16, 2016, 08:12 AM - Edit history (1)

Which is a relief as it would have been disastrous to exclude him from the ballot.

Although the rules for this leadership contest (including suspending party meetings and raising the fee for supporters who wish to vote in the contest from £3 to £25) have pissed off everybody on all wings of the Labour party.

T_i_B

(14,767 posts)
28. They obviously can't force him out
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jul 2016

At least not without the support of the Trade Unions. Which is why it's come to this.

Personally I just wish that the Labour party would rediscover the whole concept of working as a team.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
14. So the neoliberal Blairites won their anti-democratic coup. Labour is doomed.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 08:27 AM
Jul 2016

All the working class people over there are going to end up voting for UKIP.

Jemmons

(711 posts)
22. Oh - nothing is settled now
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 11:28 AM
Jul 2016

The blairites have backed down for now, but they have nowhere to go, but to stage another attempt.
Will be interesting time for a while....

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