Husband and Daughters Beg For Their Lives in Chilling 911 Calls Placed Moments Before Texas Mom Open
Source: People
Husband and Daughters Beg For Their Lives in Chilling 911 Calls Placed Moments Before Texas Mom Opened Fire
Harriet Sokmensuer, @HGSokmensuer
1 hr ago
On Tuesday, authorities released the 911 calls placed from inside the home where Texas mother Christy Sheats, 42, fatally shot her two daughters Madison, 17, and Taylor, 22.
In the chilling audio, obtained by PEOPLE, Christy's husband Jason Sheats, 45, and the couple's children can be heard begging for Christy to put the weapon down, as they cry and yell hysterically.
"Please don't point the gun at us. Put down your gun," a male voice pleads. "Please don't shoot."
The recording continues as the man tries to reason with Christy, apologizing and offering to do anything she would like if she would surrender the weapon.
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Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)Remember, it's only the mentally ill. It's never easy access to firearms.
NRA talking points in 5,4,3,2,1. . .
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)psychological and physical, needs to be recognised and properly dealt with.
SunSeeker
(51,571 posts)How about keeping guns out of one's home? That's helpful whether there's male or female domestic violence.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)the importance of psychological and social issues.
IronLionZion
(45,450 posts)people are still in denial that women can be abusers. That sexist belief has gotten people killed several times already.
There are gun control laws for people guilty of domestic violence.
Supreme Court rules domestic abusers can lose gun ownership rights
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/06/27/supreme-court-guns-domestic-violence-abuse-clarence-thomas/86353402/
The NRA claims the domestic abuse gun laws are biased against men and take away their 2nd amendment rights...because they don't believe women can be domestic abusers.
I had an abusive mentally ill female partner years ago. The fact that she kept several guns in her house and was trained in shooting made me very nervous and was one of the reasons I left her.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)Akicita
(1,196 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)in their worldview there's a Dominator Group and a Protected Group, and the former always victimizes the latter (no matter what the facts are); the oppression of the latter, in fact, is their most cherished asset and greatest strength, all that they have when everything else has been taken away from them
this logic gave us a series of fun new names in the 90s: Srebrenica and Prijedor--because after Jasenovac, who can blame them?
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)Yes, there is female domestic violence but it pales in comparison with what women deal with.
Let's keep guns out of the hands of all violent, mentally ill people, OK?
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)"By the time she reloaded her weapon a five shot, .38-caliber handgun, which her husband said had been passed down by her great grandfather to "protect her family" and returned to the street, deputies were on scene."
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"As the investigation unfurled, it was later revealed that Christy had a history of mental illness and the couple had extensive interactions with the local authorities, as Fort Bend County Sheriff's Office had responded to 14 calls for service at the home since January of 2012."
The family is the first line of defense, but they often either fail or enable. I bet this fella never thought in a million years that she was capable of that, even with her illness. Sometimes things can fool you, after you think you have been managing it for years. Even so, the professionals - 14 calls? And no one thought to say "Hey, you got any guns"? or "Your house is surrounded and we ain't comin' in till we are sure".
Then again, that neighborhood looked like one where they let such things slide for too long.
Too much leeway, even, finally, at the scene of the murders. According to accounts, she reloaded and came back, and the deputies watched her shoot the other daughter again before they finally killed her.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)she's out of bullets, why didn't the husband tackle her?
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)One of his daughters. Maybe at that point he was just trying to comfort her?
That written - I see your point.
RobinA
(9,893 posts)this wasn't TV and the guy was totally freaked?
Skittles
(153,169 posts)people never try to protect their kids? I'd say mother of 11 at Pulse shows us differently.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)that she should have a gun.
Paladin
(28,264 posts)That was the phrase Thomas used, rather than "domestic violence." Goes to show the sort of language-bending the gun rights movement has to resort to, these days.....
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)That's what was the only thing on Christy's mind, that's for sure.
IronLionZion
(45,450 posts)the only thing that stops a bad mom with a gun, is a good girl with a gun.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)DOING WITH A GUN IN THE HOUSE???? The husband is a tragic fool too. Insanity all round.
patricia92243
(12,597 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)don't even want doctors asking about guns in the house.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)there needs to be an official inquiry as to firearms in the house. She was obviously violently unstable. It's madness that guns were still present in their domicile given her mental illness background.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)people who take medications that affect judgement.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)to more and more restrictions. Overturn Citizens United too, and perhaps somehow indict the NRA under RICO statutes. On the last one maybe I am having a pipe dream.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)cases like this lady based upon his relatively reserved opinion in Heller. Let's hope. I admire Clinton for taking a chance speaking out against guns. With board members like Teddy Nugent (elected by the membership), the NRA is a hate group as far as I am concerned.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)".38-caliber handgun, which her husband said had been passed down by her great grandfather to "protect her family"
Sancho
(9,070 posts)People Control, Not Gun Control
This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that werent secured are out of control in our society. As such, heres what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. Im not debating the legal language, I just think its the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because its clear that they should never have had a gun.
1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learners license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.
Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a drivers license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Thank you for sharing.
Nitram
(22,813 posts)..."Christy had a history of mental illness and the couple had extensive interactions with the local authorities, as Fort Bend County Sheriff's Office had responded to 14 calls for service at the home since January of 2012."
TexasBushwhacker
(20,196 posts)perhaps to comfort her or protect her.
As for having any guns in the house, since this was a gun passed down to her by her great grandfather, perhaps it was the only gun that remained because it was a family heirloom.
She posted this meme on her Facebook. I don't know if she made the meme, indicating that SHE had 10 guns, or if it's just one she snagged on the web. (Edit- it was a meme she snagged from the web. I don't know if she had multiple weapons or not.)
But I agree. There should have been ZERO guns in the house.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)scene is that the three other people involved did NOT have guns as well.
If only all four of them had been armed--surely this drama would have ended less tragically.
WOULDN'T IT? SURE IT WOULD.
Just like the gun fights back in Texas' wild-west history.
GOLGO 13
(1,681 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)If there was nationwide gun registration then it would not be hard for a mental health warrant or something to trip some sort of thing where they come and take them.
My friend was involuntarily hospitalized in NJ and the troopers showed up at his house and wanted his guns. He could get them back if he wanted.
However in TX there is no gun registration and the pistol was passed down.
In an ideal world all guns would be registered and would have a title like a car.
However people at this point are too paranoid about the gov't then using the titles to confiscate firearms.
I felt that after the Heller decision when the court affirmed the right to own guns that it might make gun owners more secure and less likely to oppose some gun control measures that would not take their guns but would reduce gun violence. I mean the more gun violence the more call for more restrictive gun laws so why would any gun owner oppose them. It would preserve their hobby.
However at this point people are still too paranoid and the gun issue such a winner for some politicians, NRA makes so much money off the paranoia.
But that is what we have to do. We need to make people feel like the gov't is not going to come and take their guns for them to be comfortable with some restrictions that will prevent people from getting killed.
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HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)A 69 year old woman a few streets down from me killed her 72 year old husband in his wheelchair. People were shocked but it came out later that she was super paranoid of an intruder and slept with a loaded gun under her pillow. They were described as loving couple seen around the development with her taking her husband for walks in his wheelchair.
The police described the house like a war zone with bullet holes everywhere. I suppose one day with her extreme paranoia of an intruder, and maybe Dementia, she just snapped.
She was released to her children in another state with the condition that they provide mental health services for her. This happened in Florida.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)When a family member reaches the point where driving a car, or owning a gun, or otherwise operating hazardous equipment, can no longer be done safely then the family has a responsibility to resolve the problem for the safety of the family and the community.
Been there, done that.
Unfortunately, this family did not do what needed to be done and paid the ultimate price for that mistake.
While this may sound like victim blaming, everyone needs to remember that the person primarily responsible for your safety is you.