*BREAKING NBC* Sanders Wins in West Virginia Democratic Primary

[tomm2thumbs]

Source: NBC

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has won the West Virginia Democratic primary, NBC News projects, a victory that will add yet more fuel to his argument that he should remain in the race despite badly trailing front runner Hillary Clinton in the overall delegate count. The win comes one week after Sanders prevailed in Indiana's Democratic primary and two weeks after Clinton dominated a series of contests in the northeastern United States.

Democrats also voted on Tuesday in a presidential "beauty contest" in Nebraska, although the delegates from that state were all previously assigned during a March 5 caucus. In that contest, Sanders won 15 pledged delegates, compared to 10 for Clinton. <snip>

Clinton's faltering is a marked difference from her performance in the state eight years ago, when she beat then-candidate Barack Obama by more than 40 percent.

Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/sanders-wins-west-virginia-democratic-primary-n571356

---

most interesting thing from link for me...



** personal reminder **
https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/duforbernie

DONATE if you CAN!!!

[dinkytron]

1. First!!!! ( Im so immature)

[JimDandy]

3. Second (Woo hooing)

[dinkytron]

14. Bernie's gonna KARRRRRUSSHHHHH it in Cali.

[JimDandy]

23. I know he is going to in OR, just like he did in WA among the Dem base.

If he actually crushes it (70% or more) in CA, I bet that would be the biggest comeback in US political history.

We need him. Go Bernie!!

[99th_Monkey]

59. I'm an Oregonian & voted for Bernie (by Mail)!! It's not called the "Left Coast" for nothing. n/t

[JimDandy]

63. I loved that WA followed your lead with the mail in ballots.

Now if we can just get rid of the caucus system in WA and have a primary... (sigh).

[fierywoman]

144. Yes!

I'm in Kirkland and I second that idea!

[JimDandy]

146. I put in a resolution to the state party for Dem delegates to be apportioned from the PPP votes,

like the WA Republican Party does, instead of from the caucuses.

Apparently a lot of other people also submitted resolutions to dump the WA Dem caucus process.

[fierywoman]

151. thank you

Thank you for doing that!

[roguevalley]

94. you poseurs have to break 81.6% to beat Alaska. :D. if you choose this mission ...

[JimDandy]

103. We bow in supplication to that blowout... n/t

[c588415]

81. I am aware that Mr.Sanders walks on water, and farts fairy-dust. Nevertheless, he trails

Clinton out in my state of California, according to RealClearPolitics.com. My candidate Hillary Clinton, is the chosen 1, and she is going to win it all

[roguevalley]

96. just like he did in Indiana?

[Duckfan]

171. It was Birdie that made it happen

[SammyWinstonJack]

101. Chosen 1.

[NJCher]

164. double smack from English teacher

Cher

[pacalo]

183. I bet you think both of Dubya's elections were on the up & up, too.

Poor old thing is now a pariah.

[840high]

126. 3rd - second or third childhood here

[CentralMass]

148. I am #3

http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_sounds/hg/125.wav

[kadaholo]

2. Whoo Hoo!!!

Way to go West Virginia!!! GO BERNIE!!!!

[k8conant]

199. Yes, we did it!

[PatrynXX]

4. define badly

Trump was farther away and he won under 300 delegate isn't exactly badly behind. he's just rather behind not badly , he's like Eric Liddell, a ways back. running up to win at the last minute

[pnwmom]

13. It is BADLY behind, because there aren't enough pledged delegates left

for him to get a majority of pledged delegates, even if he got 100% of those remaining.

His only hope now is to lose the majority of pledged delegates and then somehow convince hundreds of the super delegates to switch to him from Hillary -- even though she will have won votes from millions more voters and hundreds more pledged delegates.

The Dem and Rethug races aren't comparable for two major reasons. They have a completely different number of delegates that they're working with. And they have winner-take-all races, and Trump won a bunch of large, winner-take-all states.

If we had winner-take-all, Hillary would have won this long ago.

[Omaha Steve]

38. Camp Hillary isn't talking about supers that have dropped her ALREADY!

Ashford NE-2 endorsed hillary last year. After his district went BIG for Bernie he decided to stay home. NOTHING from Hillary about that math. IF Bernie repeats tonight in the NE primary, Ashforf can be a complete flip.

Look for this to happen to supers that want to get re-elected in states or districts that went Bernie!

[pnwmom]

42. Is that all you've got? A single delegate out of hundreds? They just asked Tad Devine

tonight on MSNBC or CNN (I was switching back and forth so I don't remember) if any supers had announced they were switching to him yet and he said no -- that would happen after all the races were over.

So he's promoting the idea that even when Hillary wins the primaries, they'll convince the supers to switch sides and elect the losing candidate anyway.

[Omaha Steve]

54. Hillary is still fighting cause she knows it isn't over

IF neither gets enough committed, why shouldn't the super vote WITH their constituents votes?

As Bernie closes in with states leaning to him, hr supers get nervous. IF all you can say is math, you should be worried.

[pnwmom]

57. She's fighting because she'll need to be as strong as possible when she faces Trump. n/t

[Omaha Steve]

65. She isn't the nominee yet

And is tied with Trump in THREE Swing states. She has to WIN two of those IF she is the nominee!

[pnwmom]

202. Polls while she's still running against Bernie mean nothing except she's fighting

a 2-front war.

And that Florida poll was extremely skewed. Their weighted sample had 32% Dem and GOP, and 31% non-affiliated -- but 2014 state registration #'s said there were 4.6 million Dems, 4.2 million GOP, and less than 2.8 million non-affiliated.

So the high number of Indy's and GOP made it appear that Trump had stronger support than he does.

[KPN]

201. Yeah, that'S it!

She's fighting because she has to.

[SusanCalvin]

122. The math at this point shouldn't include the supers. Period. nt

[Omaha Steve]

124. I agree

[NV Whino]

56. The losing candidate will be Hillary in the GE.

[pnwmom]

58. It is a statistical impossibility for Bernie to get enough pledged delegates to have a majority of

pledged delegates, even if he won 100% of the remaining pledged delegates.

Hillary will win -- the only question is when.

[NV Whino]

62. Reading skills! Please.

Notice I said GE. If you don't understand that, it means general election. You know, against Tump.

[Omaha Steve]

78. Hillary can come up short of pledged delegates too

Then it gets interesting. Supers in states & districts that went Bernie want to get re-elected etc.

Today's poll of three swing states tied Hillary/Trump is not a good sign to supers . November candidate MUST win TWO of them!. Many supers do want to win in November.

Bernie polls Better than Hillary against Trump every time.


Today: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/who-s-more-likely-beat-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-or-n570766

Who's More Likely to Beat Donald Trump — Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders?

Source: NBC News

by HANNAH HARTIG, JOHN LAPINSKI and STEPHANIE PSYLLOS

Hillary Clinton holds a 12-point lead over Bernie Sanders nationally, but in a hypothetical match-up against Donald Trump, Sanders does much better than the current Democratic front-runner.

As Ted Cruz and John Kasich exited the Republican primary race last week — making Trump the party's presumptive nominee — Clinton and Sanders have used Trump's candidacy to argue that they would be in the best position to defeat him in the general election in November.

When respondents in our NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Election Tracking Poll were asked whether they would cast a vote for Trump or either of the Democratic candidates still in the race, Sanders is the favorite over Trump by 13 points.

Clinton also beats Trump, but the race is decidedly closer — 49 percent to 44 percent. These results are according to the latest from the NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Election Tracking Poll conducted online from May 2 through May 8 of 12,714 adults including 11,089 registered voters.

FULL story at link. MAY 10 2016, 6:23 AM ET

[ablamj]

139. I don't think the "Supers" care about pledged delegates

Bernie could be one pledged delegate short of the nomination and I still think they'd choose Hillary. They want to stay on the money train.

[Hiraeth]

154. money train ,,, sounds a lot like: Snowpiercer

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1706620/?ref_=nv_sr_4

[pangaia]

84. That's what they said about Yi Sun-Shin !!!

[ozone_man]

79. Actually, he needs 65% to tie.

From the article:

Among pledged delegates, Clinton holds a lead of 282 over Sanders, meaning that he would have to win 65 percent of the remaining delegates to catch up.

[pnwmom]

86. You're right, I think. It's impossible for him but not her to win a majority of ALL delegates

without help from super delegates. And he would need to flip hundreds of supers who are committed to her.

But how do you think a man who has gotten 45% of delegates so far is suddenly going to up his game to 65% from now on?

[SusanCalvin]

118. Well, let's just wait and see, shall we? nt

[pnwmom]

119. We can already see tonight that that's not happening in W Virginia. n/t

[SusanCalvin]

128. Fine. Let's continue to wait and see, shall we?

I have yet to understand why some Hillary supporters are so averse to simply doing that.

If Bernie's actually hurting her for the general, she's way too delicate. If he's not, I'd love to spend my Bernie money in peace.

[SusanCalvin]

116. Wrongo.

I just worked it out, according to here:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

Please correct my math if I messed up.

Elected delegates, which is what I prefer to call them:

1705 Clinton
1414 Bernie
897 remaining
4016 total, 2008 = 50%

Number to get Bernie to 2008 = 594

594 / 897 = 66.22073%, plus one.

That's the numbers I got, anyway. And right now these delegates are the only ones I care about.

[Lokijohn]

131. its the math!

You are completely and loudly wrong. He is trailing by 291 pledged delegates (less after today) and California alone has 475 delegates. Please review your talking points.

Go Bernie!

[tom_kelly]

147. Wow! She turned quiet... n/t

[pnwmom]

5. According to MSNBC, 35% of these Bernie voters say they'll vote for TRUMP in the fall EVEN IF

Last edited Tue May 10, 2016, 08:16 PM - Edit history (1)

Bernie is the Democratic nominee.

[Herman4747]

7. Does show one that Bernie is FAR more electable in Nov.! n/t

[pnwmom]

16. It shows the opposite, in my opinion. 40% of Bernie's voters prefer TRUMP. n/t

[Redwoods Red]

19. 100% of Bernie supporters prefer Bernie over anybody.

[pnwmom]

44. Not in WVA. nt

[PatrynXX]

25. Don't know whoever is more Liberal...

I'll prefer to write his name in though. Trump kinda hit the wall by encouraging riots. X_X not that Anti Trump people are any better (trashing a cop car is not exactly a good thing)

[Herman4747]

30. They prefer Trump COMPARED TO HILLARY; they are "Bernie voters"...

as you yourself acknowledge.

[Omaha Steve]

39. No

I prefered Obama to Hillary in 08. This year I prefer Bernie to Hillary. I'm a D!!!!

[tomm2thumbs]

184. B I N G O !

Sanders’ message rests on the fact that Clinton represents the Democratic Party policies and approaches of the past.

"In every primary, in every caucus election up to now, this campaign has won the overwhelming majority of votes of people under 45 years of age and what that tells me and should tell everyone is that our vision of a nation which strives for economic, social, racial and environmental justice is the vision for America’s future," he said in Sacramento, adding pointedly: "Our agenda is the future of America and the future of the Democratic Party."

in other words

CLINTON: "BEEN THERE, DONE THAT"

[AgingAmerican]

37. Your desperation is laughable

[timmymoff]

45. i'm not getting into it

I don't support Trump I don't support Hillary won't vote for either. Good luck in November.

[tomm2thumbs]

50. it shows if they aren't given a good candidate in Bernie, they consider Trump more trusted

these are Independents, and they reflect what is going on across the country. Independents will swing AWAY from Clinton in a general election and Trump will benefit -- but against Bernie, those same Independents stay with the Democratic Party

This is about Democrats retaining the White House, not trying to hand it to a Clinton

[pnwmom]

52. No, Chris Hayes said they said if BERNIE was the nominee in the General, these Bernie voters

in the primary would choose to vote for Trump in the general.

Now they're saying 35% instead of 40%, but the point remains. Bernie voters are far less likely than Hillary voters to say that they'd stick with their candidate if their candidate was in the General with Trump.

[tomm2thumbs]

55. you are funny

"No, Chris Hayes said they said if BERNIE was the nominee in the General, these Bernie voters in the primary would choose to vote for Trump in the general. "

[progressoid]

170. I don't watch tv snooze.

Where are they getting this fluctuating number from?

[pnwmom]

174. Exit polls usually change somewhat over the course of the day.

[progressoid]

176. Exit polls: Half of Clinton's supporters won't back Obama

So I just looked into this phenomenon, and the Google machine took me to this oldie but goodie...

8 years ago
Exit polls: Half of Clinton's supporters won't back Obama

(CNN) - Just how badly is the Democratic Party divided?

According to the exit polls, half of Clinton's supporters in Indiana would not vote for Obama in a general election match up with John McCain. A third of Clinton voters said they would pick McCain over Obama, while 17 percent said they would not vote at all. Just 48 percent of Clinton supporters said they would back Obama in November.

Obama gets even less support from Clinton backers in North Carolina. There, only 45 percent of Clinton supporters said they would vote for Obama over McCain. Thirty-eight percent said they would vote for McCain while 12 percent said they would not vote.

Obama voters appear to be more willing to support Clinton in November. In Indiana, 59 percent of Obama backers said they'd vote for Clinton, and 70 percent of Obama backers in North Carolina said they'd support the New York Democrat.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/06/exit-polls-half-of-clintons-supporters-wont-back-obama/

Yet in contrast to all the predictions and this exit poll, Obama won Indiana and North Carolina.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_North_Carolina,_2008
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Indiana,_2008

[Chicago1980]

83. Or it shows how less than educated some of his supporters are.

[dbackjon]

194. No it means that Republicans are playing dirty

No it means that Republicans are playing dirty

Trump encouraged his supporters to vote for Sanders cause he knows Sandwrs is the weaker candidate in the general election


This is why closed primaries are the only legitimate way to select the parties candidate

[Herman4747]

197. Closed primaries provide us with NO INFORMATION...

...on the voting preferences of Independents, who currently outnumber both Democrats & also outnumber Republicans.
In order to win in November, we need a candidate who can appeal to Independents -- Bernie succeeds better than Hillary in this regard.
Finally, you provide no evidence that some voters heeded Trump's call (that you allege) and arrived at the polls to vote for Bernie.

[dbackjon]

198. LOL - there is plenty of evidence posted yesterday

40% of Sanders voters in WV say they are voting for Trump regardless of the Dem nominee.

Pretty damn obvious.



If Independents want to influence a party's selection, they can register as that party.

[Herman4747]

204. I daresay that all of that 40% expect the Democratic nominee...

...to be Hillary.
Don't you yourself believe that the Democratic nominee will be Hillary?
YES OR NO?
LOL!!

[McKim]

28. MSNBC Is Dumping on Sanders Every Minute

They are calling his wins an anomaly and putting him down as a fringe candidate. Their desperation is laughable.

[JoeOtterbein]

49. Now MSNBC is saying it was 35%

Now Kornacki is saying many of them are old Dems. Like that is bad!

[Politicub]

132. That makes perfect sense.

A third basically said they are voting for the person they're planning on voting against.

[Duval]

6. Things are looking UP for Bernie!

I believe his chances of winning are increasing! And this without hardly any coverage from our MSM. His message is resonating with more and more people. Thank you for this good news,tomm2thumbs!

[tomm2thumbs]

8. Congratulations! A state she won years ago by more than 40 percent!

yay!!!!!

[frylock]

10. Drop out now, Bernie!

Drop out before you win any more primaries!

[kayakjohnny]

15. Ha!

Nice...

[LibDemAlways]

18. LOL....This is embarrassing for

team Hillary. Next up, Oregon and Kentucky.

[tomm2thumbs]

21. OMG - DUzy

[PatrynXX]

27. don't give them hashtag ideas oh wait :P n/t

[Mike__M]

40. LOL. Funny today

Annoying tomorrow when its coming from Her acolytes

[AzDar]

53. Next Up On MSDNC: Rachel Maddow Tells Us How A Sanders Win Is Actually A Loss!

[pacalo]

179. That actually happened!

[bvf]

82. +1000. Sums up the madness quite well! n/t

[SusanCalvin]

130. .

[pacalo]

178. Thread win!!!

[LibDemAlways]

11. Indiana and now West Virginia...

Think the voters might be sending a message to TPTB?

[Arugula Latte]

20. And we'll come through for Bernie next week here in Oregon.

[LibDemAlways]

22. Of that I have no doubt. It will

be a shellacking.

[Chicago1980]

85. And now what?

This doesn't change the numbers.

[LibDemAlways]

91. Now on to Oregon and Kentucky. n/t

[Chicago1980]

111. Still not enough.

Just saying.

He may win those primaries, but it won't give him the delegate count needed.

[benny05]

12. You Know the Difference Betwn Berniecrats and his Opponent's

We are grateful for the win and don't take votes for granted.


[link:

|

[PatrynXX]

32. Clearly..

She's just about blown off California , their votes don't matter to her. she reminds me of Mitt Romney. Who paid attention too much to the wrong polls and went off boating when he really should have been on the road..

[dorkzilla]

41. But she's tiiiiiiiirrrrrrrred

and easily confused! Why do they have to have this whole "voting" thing anyway? How much longer will she have to suffer the smell of the unwashed masses?

(attention alerters and jury - complaining of being exhausted and confused is something HUMA said about her, not me)

[pacalo]

180. Got your jury results...

(Just kidding.)

[dorkzilla]

189. Ha!

You had me going for a second!

[SammyWinstonJack]

117. Berniecrats....Yay Bernie!!!!

[Kingofalldems]

17. Exit poll said 50% of Bernie voters will vote for Trump.

Pretty lame to declare victory with GOP dirty tricks putting you on top.

Open primaries are useless.

[arcane1]

36. All the more reason for Clinton to drop out now so Bernie gets those votes.

[99th_Monkey]

60. +10 nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

121. I'm all for her dropping out now. Wish she would.

[kevink077]

43. Bernie voters...

Bernie is way more electable that Clinton. If republican dummies want to cross over and vote for Sanders, let's have them!

[Enthusiast]

191. If Republicans cross over and vote for Bernie they lose their dummie status.

[Trajan]

88. How do you know this is a fraudulent vote?

I'm thinking that Democrats simply don't like Clinton ...

Nobody to blame except the Clintons for that ...

[Kingofalldems]

100. So explain why 50% of people who voted for Bernie

will vote for Trump in the GE?

[Trajan]

108. I'm not sure I buy that .. It's the billionaire media that reports that

Maybe you need to ask yourself why nobody wants to vote for Clinton ...

[Kingofalldems]

123. So they are lying about exit polls?

Goodness.

[Pat Riots]

203. yes we know they never lie about anything

goodness!

[progressoid]

173. Now its 50%?

Up thread its 35 and 40 percent. Whose ass are these numbers being pulled out of?

[chknltl]

187. That would be the ass of an elephant. nt

[Omaha Steve]

24. "presidential "beauty contest" in Nebraska"

IF Bernie wins NE-2 US Congressman Ashford could be convinced to vote Bernie at the convention. Her endorsed Hillary last year. After NE-2 went BIG for Bernie he said he was staying home. This could be a flip of a super-delegate.

OS

[Mike__M]

48. We have a "beauty contest" primary in WA as well

I haven't heard if our super delegates will pay attention.
Maybe they're planning to just wait and be primaried in two years.
We are going to have a lot of democratic socialist PCOs before this year is done.

[Uncle Joe]

26. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, tomm2thumbs.

[tomm2thumbs]

29. thanks to West Virginia!

Bernie could give that state to the Democrats decisively!!!!

[Uncle Joe]

33. I believe at the very least Bernie would make it competitive.

Peace to you.

[The Second Stone]

31. This is just the break that the Sanders campaign has been looking for

too push them over the top in popular vote count, pledged delegate vote count and superdelegate vote count. All that needs to be done now is to emphasize victories like this one in in West Virginia and hope the MSM downplays the others and we can continue being in complete freaking denial of establishment reality.

[kayakjohnny]

34. A bright spot on the evening.

Thanks, t...

[Ohioblue22]

35. Too little too late

[Stuckinthebush]

47. Yeah. Was that today?

Meh.

[roguevalley]

102. ah did he hurt your feelings

[Stuckinthebush]

181. Who?

Seriously. Who? Bernie?

Lord no. Congrats to him if that's who you are taking about.

Or the poster? I'm confused on the who

[Ed Suspicious]

68. Still going. Don't care.

[JimDandy]

72. The best thing is that

CA is actually going to matter this primary season.

Bernie has kept his promise. Love that about him!

[lastone]

46. Hrc needs to bow out

She loses against donnie boy, she'll wreck the democrats chance of retaking any Senate or House seats as well.

[Chicago1980]

89. Why would the person with the most votes and delegates bow out,

because her primary opponents supporters want her to?

Your foolish comment is no different than when Hillary supporters say Bernie should bow out.

[lastone]

125. You didn't read my post apparently

She has a much greater chance of losing and costing us seats.

[Chicago1980]

134. I read it.

The only thing that will cost seats are Bernie voters who are seemingly acting more like Tea Party members and or small children.

The same mentality that lost seats in the midterms, being pouty children throwing a tantrum when they don't get what they want when they want it. Or you can chalk it up to pure laziness.

[lastone]

141. That's a clueless statement

On many levels. Hrc doesn't win the general without Sanders supporters and the shear presumptiveness (and sometimes pure assholeness, the unicorn bullshit for one example) her and her supporters are not making any effort to bring them over. Hrc doesn't poll as well as Sanders v trump so your advocating choosing a losing position. I'll remind you of this repeatedly when I'm unfortunately right.

[99th_Monkey]

51. Hillary WON this state by 41% when running against Obama. Holy Moly!! nt

[pnwmom]

61. That shows how much this 3.6% black state hates Obama. n/t

[tomm2thumbs]

64. or perhaps Clinton Campaign had a hand

[pnwmom]

67. In 2015, West Virginia ranked on the bottom of 50 states for approval of Obama.

So Hillary saying she was going to extend Obama's policies didn't play well there.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/189002/obama-rated-best-hawaii-2015-worst-west-virginia.aspx

[tomm2thumbs]

73. first you say they 'hate Obama', now you attribute it to her 'policies'

which is it?

[TeamPooka]

97. pwnmom said "Obama's policies" but to make your point you chose to misquote her. Why?

[tomm2thumbs]

104. her policies are HER policies

she can't shift them on someone else

[Chicago1980]

136. They pretty much rank toward the bottom of a lot of things.

[99th_Monkey]

66. Oh! Lose a Primary? So under the bus goes W. Virginia! nt

[pnwmom]

71. West Virginia ranked at #50 for approval of Obama -- only a quarter approved in 2015 overall.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/189002/obama-rated-best-hawaii-2015-worst-west-virginia.aspx

[99th_Monkey]

93. Your point being? So, what exactly do you imagine that this^ 'proves'?

Anything? or is it just more static in the field?

[pnwmom]

99. We know that Obama is very unpopular there, and Hillary has been campaigning

as someone who will continue Obama's legacy, so it isn't surprising that Bernie is doing better than Hillary.

OTOH, we also know from the exit polls that 35% of Bernie voters say that if Bernie DOES make it to the general, they'll pick Trump instead.

So they aren't thrilled with any Dem.

[99th_Monkey]

114. Yes!! Bernie has historically high appeal to a very broad cross-section of the electorate.

For example, Bernie draws 25% of the GOP voters in his home state ov Vermont.

Can you name another Senator who enjoys such broad voter appeal? I can't.

[Flying Shoe]

206. They cannot.

Well put! +1

[retrowire]

109. its all about racism with you guys when Bernie wins huh? nt

[JimDandy]

69. Yep, and WV was her biggest win in 2008. n/t

[Chicago1980]

90. And now the yahoos are mad at her for her perceived bashing of coal.

[passiveporcupine]

70. How do thay have a winner for this already?

Google shows only 1% reporting with Hillary in the lead.

[Omaha Steve]

74. Exit polls

[passiveporcupine]

92. Oh, thanks OS

Does anyone know where the link is to the primary's that shows the map with the counties as they come in?

[tomm2thumbs]

95. guardian

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2016/may/10/west-virginia-nebraska-primaries-live-results

[passiveporcupine]

142. thanks Tomm,

I even googled it "by county" and it still didn't come up. I'll have to bookmark it this time.

Oops, this isnt' the right one either. This has garbage all over it, popups drive me nuts.

CNN has a better one.

OK, now I'm pissed. The Hill campers keep complaining that Bernie won't have enough pledged delegates to win by majority, so he can't win...and they say if he goes contested convention, he's evil because the people's votes count.

Well guess what...right now I'm seeing

Sanders with 13 pledged delegates and 1 super delegate

Hillary with nine pledged delegates, six super delegates.

HTF is that fair? He has the majority of the votes and the majority of the pledged delegates, but the supers are going to her. Fuck them. The rules are only fair if they play in Hillary's favor.

[Babel_17]

75. Just stopped by jpr to send another five bucks

Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?
Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?

[RiverNoord]

133. lol - just saw your 'Ready for...

Mollari' graphic. Pretty damn funny

[Babel_17]

137. Thanks! I got it from the official JMS B5 forum

I said I was going to use it and there was no objection.

The moderator of the JMS forum registered here so she could post in a JMS thread I started. Very nice lady.

http://jmsnews.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=9

[RiverNoord]

157. Huh.

I'm impressed that he's got an entire 'JMSNews' site. And that, after all these years, there's an active B5 forum on it.

Or... maybe not - best Sci-fi television ever, in my opinion.

Glad they let you use the graphic - I really did 'laugh out loud.'

[beaglelover]

76. Yawn. The primary has been over for WEEKS now. Time to turn to the general and defeat Trump!

[tomm2thumbs]

77. when will Hillary be doing that?

[CountAllVotes]

80. Recommendation #100 !!!!

Great damn news!!!

#FeelTheBern !!!

Sanders for President 2016 !!!

& 100th recommendation !!!

[McKim]

87. Sanders Voters that Will Vote for Trump: A Convenient Myth Echoing Through the MSM

Let's not buy this myth so fast. It smells. It smells like that myth that our soldiers were spat on when they came home from Vietnam.
The myth that Sanders voters will switch to vote Trump is an inflamatory tool that is being pushed through the Main Stream Media to discredit Sanders voters. I am a Sanders voter and I don't know any other Sanders voter who would ever, every dream of voting for Trump. Let's not give this any legitimacy, folks. It sounds very made up.

[freebrew]

195. It IS made up...

just like the lie that repubs are crossing over in open primaries to vote for Bernie.

So, if trump voters are crossing over(as was said in this thread), who's voting for trump?

You only get one vote, dumbasses, in MO, more Rs voted than Dems(Thanks, DWS).

So, how do they add the numbers to come to some idiot
conclusion that the Rs are trying to spoil the system?
They LIE and Make Shit Up.

[litlbilly]

98. Here's the new Hill meme for the next few days. Way too funny

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107129839

[tomm2thumbs]

105. whatever gets them through the night

LOLz

[litlbilly]

107. with their eyes wide open i would guess:)

[litlbilly]

110. Now over at Hill camp they are saying it was repubs who voted for Bernie. Wow...

[tomm2thumbs]

112. popsicles® are as effective

soothing. relaxing. bonus sugar kick.

LOLz

[litlbilly]

115. Hehehe:)

[onehandle]

106. 'General election polls before and during the primary are predictive of absolutely nothing.'

Ignore hypothetical matchups in primary season – they also measure nothing. General election polls before and during the primary season have a very wide margin of error. That’s especially the case for candidates who aren’t even in the race and therefore haven’t been treated to the onslaught of skeptical media coverage usually associated with being the candidate.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/harrys-guide-to-2016-election-polls

[tomm2thumbs]

113. ** DONATED! ** woo hoo!!!!

[dubyadiprecession]

120. With 24% of the vote in, BS has a lead of 5,000 votes...

which means she will probably get a little less than half the delegates from that state.

[Feeling the Bern]

127. HRC supporters. . .WV also doesn't matter. Who cares? Bernie isn't a real Democrat

And if you support him, you're everything wrong with the Democrats. You're probably a Bernie Bro Republican who loves his D- NRA rating, which shows he loves the NRA.

Besides, he's so far behind in the delegate count, it's over! Even though the Superdelegates are giving Clinton the advantage because they are Democratic establishment candidates. In pledged delegates, Bernie is only behind by less than 150, but that's doesn't matter.

Oh, and screw you Bernie Bros too. We HRC fans don't want or need you to win this election. Go support your fake Democrat who is in it only for himself, even though we HRC fans loved Bernie and his positions before he decided to challenge the coronation!

MASSIVE SNARK here.

Go Bernie!

[Lodestar]

129. A little bird told me, the sky's the limit...

bern on

[kadaholo]

150. Love this...

Love this, Lodestar!

[tomm2thumbs]

182. sweet!!!!!

love the sentiment

[SusanLarson]

135. Why are we holding primary elections

According to Clintonites on this forum both the primary, and the election have already been decided; and you have a mental defect if you feel otherwise (laugh)....

[Chicago1980]

138. So,

He was down by about 295 pledged delegates before tonight, and after he'll be down by about 290-292.

[Omaha Steve]

143. Look at the friendly Bernie states left to go

A winning streak before June 7 helps in NJ!

http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-presidential-primary-schedule-calendar/

Tue, May 17 Kentucky (D) 61 - Closed

Tue, May 17 Oregon 73 Closed

Sat, Jun 4 Virgin Islands Caucus (D) 12 - Open

Sun, Jun 5 Puerto Rico Caucus (D) 67 - Open

Tue, Jun 7 California 546 Mixed (see below)

Tue, Jun 7 Montana 27 Open

Tue, Jun 7 New Jersey 142 Mixed

Tue, Jun 7 New Mexico 43 Closed

Tue, Jun 7 North Dakota Caucus (D) 23 - Closed

Tue, Jun 7 South Dakota 25 Closed

Tue, Jun 14 District of Columbia (D) 46 - Closed

[Chicago1980]

149. Ain't enough to change things.

Most are small states with not a significant number of delegates.

Clinton is up in New Jersey by about 18 points.

And so what if she doesn't hold huge rallies. She's always liked more intimate crowds.

[FailureToCommunicate]

153. Maybe you should give it a rest for the night. Why try to rain on

some good news for the Bernie supporters?

[Chicago1980]

158. Just being realistic.

I've come across a number of Sanders supporters this evening who say Clinton should drop out.

There's nothing wrong with being happy about the win, but you have to be honest about it too.

[JimDandy]

155. The size of Clinton's crowds isn't dependent on what *she* likes...

Dems have no enthusiasm for her which is reflected by the voluntary rallies. Name recognition along with first female pres is what is getting her marks on the ballots.

[Chicago1980]

160. What makes you assume they're not enthusiastic?

No one needs to scream their heads of or go to some rally to show enthusiasm.

Sanders supporters certainly have a way of trying to diminish what she's accomplished.

Maybe I should say it's the 'free stuff' that Bernie is harping about that getting the marks on his ballots.

[Omaha Steve]

161. Hillary can come up short of pledged delegates is the entire point

With Hillary having poll trouble TODAY in THREE swing states with Trump BEFORE R's unified behind their man, supers that want to win in Nov will have a lot to think about.

You go on thinking it's over. I'll go on thinking Bernie can win. We aren't accomplishing squat here.

[Chicago1980]

165. Supers aren't going to switch to support Sanders.

You can continue to think Bernie will win as long as you remember that it is just a thought.

[Omaha Steve]

166. You think continuing bad polls for Hillary against Trump like today will keep supers???

REALLY???

Many of them want to be re-elected AND win POTUS in Nov. They can do the poll math.

[Chicago1980]

167. I know they're not going to switch.

They have no reason to. Not even with the polling that came out today.

Not all supers are elected officials.

They're not going to switch, mark my words.

[Omaha Steve]

169. Your saying supers will sink with Hillary even when the math points to her losing in Nov!

Those are great Democrats...

[Chicago1980]

172. Math doesn't point to her losing in November.

It's just apparently the wishes of a Sanders supporter who not getting what they want.

[Omaha Steve]

175. You just can't get today's poll assimilated

It gets worse for Hillary from here. The Conservatives are united now that they have their candidate.

More like Hillary supporters ....

[Chicago1980]

177. This is what I can do...

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/05/10/dont-buy-poll-showing-trump-clinton-tied-battleground-states.html

The republican had their candidate before the democrats in 2008 too... So what.

[tom_kelly]

156. Damn! Those pictures tell the story! n/t

[polly7]

163. Whoa. +1000. nt.

[SusanLarson]

140. It's no longer about getting more delegates than Clinton...

Sanders doesn't have to win, he just has to keep Clinton from reaching the required 2,383 pledged delegates before the convention. Getting more pledged delegates than her would simply be icing on the cake. She has 1,715 there are 1060 still available. She needs 668 of those which she can't get.

The media keeps throwing in the super delegates which do not count until the convention to make it seem she has already got enough to win, and her supporters have been dumb enough to buy that narrative thus their smugness.

[FailureToCommunicate]

145. The graphic is very very interesting indeed.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

152. The heavy campaigning

Bernie did in WV really paid off. And the rallies in Sacramento and Stockton and win in Indiana are an indication of more great news. Hopefully, more and more folks contribute, too.

K&R

[polly7]

159. It looks like it 'may' end up to be a clean sweep for Sanders there. nt.

[Ferd Berfel]

162. K&R

[azmom]

168. Keep going Bernie!!

[tomm2thumbs]

185. Now if THAT isn't a pretty picture!!!

[midnight]

186. Thanks for explaining the math.

[cui bono]

188. "Clinton's faltering is a marked difference from her performance in the state eight years ago,..."

"...when she beat then-candidate Barack Obama by more than 40 percent."



.

[Enthusiast]

190. Kicked and recommended!

[Progressive dog]

192. 39% of Sanders' voters will switch to Trump in November

In fact, 39 percent of Sanders voters said they would vote for Trump over Sanders in the fall. For Clinton, nine percent of her voters say they plan to come out for Trump in the general election.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-supporters-boost-bernie-sanders-west-virginia-n571791

[Betty Karlson]

193. We need Sanders.

Ditch the candidate who is stuck in the 20th century, and give the party a chance to win the GE.

[humbled_opinion]

196. The Democratic Party will be destroyed

if we miss this chance to nominate Bernie Sanders and instead Hillary steals the nomination with the SD's and she ultimately loses to Trump, that will be the end of the Democratic party.... Maybe the start of a Progressive party but certainly an end to the Democratic party.

[LiberalLovinLug]

200. Its either embrace the Political Revolution now or later

Either grab the golden ring now, a generational opportunity that would be sheer stupidity not to take advantage of.

Or we take the long road as you've described. I would hope, that after Hillary loses to Trump, the whole party apparatchik will be revamped and the third-wayers thrown out on their petards, and the focus once again going to 99% of Americans, or there will be a split, with the white collar elite corporate stooges clinging onto the party name, and a new party formed to take up the traditional Democratic values left by the wayside.

[Loki]

205. If you take the Registered Democrats who voted

Bernie lost by double digits. But you don't like those numbers do you. The ones who voted for him were supposedly "Independents" who will vote for The Big Baby in November even if Sanders is the nominee. Not much of a win if you need Republican spoilers who will never vote for you except to vote against Hllary. West Virginia voted against a black man in the 2008 election. Mostly white Christian conservatives who will always vote against their best interests, always.