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EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 02:22 AM Dec 2011

Libya's government 'broke international justice standards' over Saif Gaddafi

Gaddafi, who was captured on Nov 19, has been indicted by the International Criminal Court in The Hague for two counts of alleged crimes against humanity.

He stands accused of ordering security forces to crush protests against his father's rule by any necessary means at the outset of Libya's uprising in February.

But Libya's new authorities want to conduct Gaddafi's trial themselves, possibly including extra charges of alleged corruption. First, they will have to show the ICC that any proceedings would be held under international standards.

Fred Abrahams, a Human Rights Watch researcher who was allowed to meet Gaddafi in detention, said the authorities' failure to give him a lawyer fell below these standards. "Their unwillingness or inability to grant Saif Gaddafi a lawyer suggests a fair trial is not on the cards," he added.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8985149/Libyas-government-broke-international-justice-standards-over-Saif-Gaddafi.html

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Libya's government 'broke international justice standards' over Saif Gaddafi (Original Post) EFerrari Dec 2011 OP
The previous government would never stand for this kind of bullcrap. nt killbotfactory Dec 2011 #1
Does anyone know if "the government" has custody of him, and not an independent militia? David__77 Dec 2011 #2
Does anyone know if there is a "government" in Libya? Fool Count Dec 2011 #3
This article says, a rebel militia outside of Tripoli EFerrari Dec 2011 #5
"a fair trial is not on the cards," Thaddeus Kosciuszko Dec 2011 #4
Human Rights Watch has been a water-carrier for Obama PurityOfEssence Dec 2011 #6

David__77

(23,396 posts)
2. Does anyone know if "the government" has custody of him, and not an independent militia?
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 04:26 AM
Dec 2011

No one would admit if they didn't have control of him, but it would certainly excuse the lack of procedure.

 

Fool Count

(1,230 posts)
3. Does anyone know if there is a "government" in Libya?
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 08:27 AM
Dec 2011

I know that there is an entity called "Libyan government", but would like to also know what,
if anything, does it govern?

 
4. "a fair trial is not on the cards,"
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 10:31 AM
Dec 2011

But الموت لاسرائيل is.

PurityOfEssence

(13,150 posts)
6. Human Rights Watch has been a water-carrier for Obama
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 09:29 PM
Dec 2011

Now, pricked by some primordial decency, it can't seem to toe the line so consistently.

Somewhere around a hundred people had died in riots in Libya before the shrieking and hand-wringing moral goody two-shoes moralists guilted and hammered us into bloody and illegal intervention. None that I can see were killed in any incident that didn't involve arson against the government or had armed protesters among the "innocent"

Contrast that to Syria, where more than 50 TIMES THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED, yet the butter-won't-melt-in-my-mouth moral narcissism garners nary a whisper. Oh, there's that Israel issue, too. There's also Russia. There's also the fact that Syria has a real military; we don't tend to attack the strong.

Contrast that against Bahrain and Yemen.

I give Human Rights Watch some credit for trying to actually live up to their mission statements, but they have irrevocably thrown away much of their credibility. The sheer racism and lack of true support of the Benghazi Islamists proves the point.

Human Rights Watch hasn't prostituted itself to the degree that Al Jazeera has, but that's to be damned by faint praise: Al Jazeera and its Qatari overlords were deeply, deeply ugly in the Libyan mess: they lied, violated the UN arms embargo, deliberately distorted their news reporting to vilify the Qaddafi regime while whitewashing the French and British efforts. The Qaddafi regime was not a "nice" or "fair" operation, but it had its points.

It's not over. Our media may do its best to quash any reality from seeping out, since both parties crave the oil and know they've cynically taken advantage of the weak to reap a tidy windfall, but chances are rather slim that the lid can be totally kept on this mess.

It's VERY simple: Qaddafi was not a compliant leader willing to simply give away his country's resources at our behest. When he rewrote the French contracts in 2009 so that they'd only get 27% of the oil produced instead of 50% and did so with the threat of nationalization, he was a dead man. The American companies left very quickly after that and this was also due to hefty signing bonuses and byzantine regulations.

Asshole selfish blinkered little-bo-peep supporters of our and Europe's energy policy cling vehemently to the concept that there was no oil component; they are wrong in the clear light of day: it was ALL ABOUT OIL. (Okay, to be fair, his monetary policy and the telecom satellite were problems, too; how DARE a local fuck with so many money-making enterprises.)

Even our compliant media can't hide all of this. It's disgusting.

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