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L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:04 PM Jan 2016

Happening now: Bundy breaking down fence on refuge #BundyTeaParty

Source: Twitter

Wanda Moore @WandaKTVZ

Happening now: Bundy breaking down fence on refuge

Read more: https://twitter.com/WandaKTVZ/status/686647283547377665



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Follow: #Oregonstandoff LIVE feed

VIDEO and photos of Ammon Bundy and others committing new felonies at link above. More on edit:

Anna King
@HarneyCoSheriff are these people now using gvmt equipment to illegally tear down a federal fence?#Oregonstandoff

14 minutes ago
#Oregonstandoff opened a 80-foot gap between government and private ground just now using Malheur cat.


nna King ?@AnnaKingN3 19 minutes ago
#Oregonstandoff breaches fence between government and private ground.


Anna King ?@AnnaKingN3 40 minutes ago
#Oregonstandoff has stopped to unload tractor. #fencebreachconvoy


Anna King ?@AnnaKingN3 1 hour ago
Right now: #Oregonstandoff occupiers on their way to take down a section of fence and install a gate.


Anna King ?@AnnaKingN3 2 hours ago
"Our stand here is very clear there are rules we've placed on government ...."


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VIDEO:
Wanda Moore ?@WandaKTVZ 3 minutes ago
Happening now: taking out a federal fence, post by post #bundymilitia #Oregonstandoff

[/center] That's all the evidence needed. Next question, were firearms used in the commisssion of these felonies? Yes, then the mandatory minimums kick in, each count, no exceptions.

UPDATE 5:30 PM local dark outside time. My question about firearms while committing the felony now answered.[center]



If these were real cowboys, they could pull those posts out by hand. #BundyTeaParty


Reverb Press ?@ReverbPress 4 minutes ago
#AmmonBundy Reveals Motive - Nature Preserve Occupation A Land Grab #Oregonstandoff
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Happening now: Bundy breaking down fence on refuge #BundyTeaParty (Original Post) L. Coyote Jan 2016 OP
breaking the law vandalizing. But it's okay SummerSnow Jan 2016 #1
They shoot Black Kids for that FreakinDJ Jan 2016 #2
They shoot Black kids for jaywalking, listening to loud music and eating Skittles randys1 Jan 2016 #25
Deplorable, deplorable, deplorable what we're witnessing today. Baitball Blogger Jan 2016 #42
the feds are not afraid - hopemountain Jan 2016 #104
^THIS^ Punx Jan 2016 #51
Yeah, if those were black people in there they would be sniping them. cui bono Jan 2016 #172
there is news of dissention in the mix. let it brew and this will end on roguevalley Jan 2016 #4
So if they set fire to the buildings as they leave, that's OK too? CanonRay Jan 2016 #27
As long as they stay in it Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #31
I'm w. you wordpix Jan 2016 #105
These people are liable to torch the place by accident. I wouldn't trust them drunk in a cabin. trillion Jan 2016 #156
not sure about there not being children hopemountain Jan 2016 #106
Then charge them with child endangerment too. CanonRay Jan 2016 #178
no. we let them find out they have no support. I have been to this place. The locals roguevalley Jan 2016 #175
People don't realize just how cool-headed we are in Oregon. And these clowns are clueless about us. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #184
Me personally, I would like to see these fucktards Cosmocat Jan 2016 #192
That's probably a really good strategy. Chemisse Jan 2016 #52
Problem is that I don't think there will be any jail time for any of them. Kablooie Jan 2016 #95
federal cowardice in responding to the Bundy's is what encouraged this insurrection. geek tragedy Jan 2016 #64
+1 n/t markpkessinger Jan 2016 #99
Absolutely correct IMO!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2016 #139
I keep waiting for that vid +bring in military to quell the rebellion wordpix Jan 2016 #103
They are just like badly behaved children. CurtEastPoint Jan 2016 #3
and they are adults governed by laws with very stiff penalties. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #10
but even the worst of kids know they are doing wrong. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2016 #43
Hey, gawd told them to do it wordpix Jan 2016 #107
Notice that their list of supplies includes no bibles. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2016 #111
Good point, I don't know about the list wordpix Jan 2016 #114
Here is the full..and amusing......"gimme" list dixiegrrrrl Jan 2016 #128
Well,that was a lot of fun, thanks and lmao wordpix Jan 2016 #155
Or copies of the Book of Mormon nt csziggy Jan 2016 #134
Yeah, "God told me to start an armed conflict" is not a sermon, it's an #ArmedTroll at work. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #153
Is that a still from the recent version of "Red Dawn"? n/t xocet Jan 2016 #180
They have props. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #181
who are getting way too much media coverage, which is encouraging them. n/t dixiegrrrrl Jan 2016 #59
Merely "civil disobedience" according to my Teabag congressman Zambero Jan 2016 #5
Sounds like the kind of guy... 63splitwindow Jan 2016 #16
Now THAT'S a Labrador I'd like to see in Congress meow2u3 Jan 2016 #204
like Kim Davis's "rebellion"? johnnypanic42 Jan 2016 #85
For arguments sake, I would agree with that FOR NOW. Volaris Jan 2016 #90
If you laid down across a road out on this refuge to protest, 1939 Jan 2016 #112
I agree. But nobody ever said changing the system was supposed to be easy Volaris Jan 2016 #122
Ask him his opinion of destroying gov property wordpix Jan 2016 #113
Don't worry, the fence was only there to keep people out. louis-t Jan 2016 #6
Actually, to keep cattle out. 2naSalit Jan 2016 #33
I wouldn't say 'emboldened'. louis-t Jan 2016 #46
yes, there's that 2naSalit Jan 2016 #57
So this sensitive habitat can be destroyed because of this action! OnionPatch Jan 2016 #65
You bet! 2naSalit Jan 2016 #69
Not to mention the cattle. OnionPatch Jan 2016 #75
I truly have mixed feelings 2naSalit Jan 2016 #81
The welfare cattle do destroy springs and land. Heres a spot some advocates watched trampled out, Sunlei Jan 2016 #84
In wilderness desperate for water, arrived at a spring far from legal grazing, found cow shit soup L. Coyote Jan 2016 #124
I've seen this kind of damage in person many times. OnionPatch Jan 2016 #138
Those kind of trample 'grazed to the sand" land damages are why Ca. has drought & wildfires today. Sunlei Jan 2016 #160
You are so right about rancher welfare wordpix Jan 2016 #152
A majority of people in the West care deeply about the land. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #162
Agree but as a fed landowner living in the East wordpix Jan 2016 #186
They held court and started unwinding the barbed wire louis-t Jan 2016 #101
Attention whores. nt 2naSalit Jan 2016 #136
They bring the party to #TeaParty L. Coyote Jan 2016 #149
Love it! 2naSalit Jan 2016 #151
What all hot-blooded American men aspire to do -break shit. randome Jan 2016 #7
Let them keep going HassleCat Jan 2016 #8
Area Extremist Republicans are part of the problem, most Oregonians are saner. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #38
LOL red dog 1 Jan 2016 #78
So, how many years of jail is that so far? DetlefK Jan 2016 #9
None.... Delver Rootnose Jan 2016 #18
LOL, funny. harun Jan 2016 #167
Patience as the crimes are documented... 63splitwindow Jan 2016 #11
Sure! They'll be charged shortly after the bankers. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2016 #23
Pointing weapons at Federal Agents = nothing done. SHRED Jan 2016 #56
hmmm. let me think... hopemountain Jan 2016 #115
Well now there's a murder in the restore America group wordpix Jan 2016 #187
You mean get exactly what they are seeking? 63splitwindow Jan 2016 #193
What a poser! wouldsman Jan 2016 #12
That was my first thought too- Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #17
And those hands look.... Delver Rootnose Jan 2016 #19
More Golden Corral than actual corral. N/t christx30 Jan 2016 #26
DUzy! FailureToCommunicate Jan 2016 #68
Love that comment, wouldsman Jan 2016 #79
Ha ha . Love it ! May have to use it Person 2713 Jan 2016 #176
He operates some kind of truck maintenance business. Got a big federal loan to start it. emulatorloo Jan 2016 #30
Of course he did, these types cant compete fairly so they use the govt, lie about it, then randys1 Jan 2016 #54
Check it out in Google earth, Phoenix site of the Harney County Militia and #BundyTeaParty offices. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #71
Committe of Safety atreides1 Jan 2016 #201
Working on barbed wire with no gloves... TNNurse Jan 2016 #13
And in the cold -- surprised his fingers didn't freeze to the wire DeadLetterOffice Jan 2016 #20
Any electric fences? Perhaps they will pee on one. Liberty Belle Jan 2016 #150
His gloves are probably home with his snacks he forgot to bring. livingonearth Jan 2016 #70
And the size xtra large long johns wordpix Jan 2016 #157
Armed thugs committing Federal crimes on LIVE TV, but no worries 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #14
They'll keep committing crimes as long as we keep allowing it. phantom power Jan 2016 #15
+ 1 red dog 1 Jan 2016 #22
They are getting too much attention, shut off the utilities, lock them in, Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #21
The Bundys have lots of assets that the government can take in order to pay for the damage. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #24
Nobody has seized Cliven Bundy's assets for his million dollars in delinquent fees. phantom power Jan 2016 #29
Good point! red dog 1 Jan 2016 #34
They can start with those expensive pickups and equipment. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2016 #47
So why aren't these assholes in jail? progressoid Jan 2016 #28
...because they are white, and probably directly related to Law Enforcement through their families. bvar22 Jan 2016 #41
They are white and can afford lawyers harun Jan 2016 #168
How much crazier will the government allow this before kicking their mfcorey1 Jan 2016 #32
I think maybe they're planning on just letting them have Czechoslovakia... phantom power Jan 2016 #36
Huge +1! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #72
teddy roosevelt would have kicked that man's ass Botany Jan 2016 #35
"No exceptions" except the exceptions that will happen mindwalker_i Jan 2016 #37
Not to mention 2naSalit Jan 2016 #39
I'd love to see someone park a trailer right in front of his house and just squat. Loudestlib Jan 2016 #40
Ha, that would be awesome. Luciferous Jan 2016 #63
They're being allowed to do what they want. Law enforcement isn't doing jack shit. Paladin Jan 2016 #44
nothing will happen rtracey Jan 2016 #45
"Oregon militia tears down govt. fence, wants ranchers released" red dog 1 Jan 2016 #48
Any explanations for this other than fear of the militias & racism? people Jan 2016 #49
I must of missed it Munificence Jan 2016 #129
Oregon is not Ferguson, Missouri, Harney County the more so. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #131
government inaction ... shireen Jan 2016 #50
And add up the felonies to charge them with I hope. Vinca Jan 2016 #53
Old Man Bundy had people aiming weapons at Federal agents SHRED Jan 2016 #55
How did they get the pickup and skid-steer? HassleCat Jan 2016 #58
I'm guessing keys were in the facility SHRED Jan 2016 #60
Both are BLM property. blackspade Jan 2016 #86
They stole the entire facility, moved in, call it theirs, put up new signage even. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #135
ENOUGH! geek tragedy Jan 2016 #61
Felonies? Don't they know the Big Gummit will take their precious guns? jpak Jan 2016 #62
No one's going to take their guns. no one's even going to write them a parking ticket nt geek tragedy Jan 2016 #67
Why in the goddamn hell are these fucking insurrectionists sulphurdunn Jan 2016 #66
They always coddle right wing terrorists. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #73
Like they coddled Timothy McVeigh? NobodyHere Jan 2016 #133
There are the rare exceptions Enthusiast Jan 2016 #158
As of today they overtly committed felonies which completely change the situation. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #76
Does anyone have a link for a live feed ??? SamKnause Jan 2016 #74
Twitter feed for the #hashtag L. Coyote Jan 2016 #82
Thank you. SamKnause Jan 2016 #87
You are welcome. #JailBundy L. Coyote Jan 2016 #91
just what local small wildlife need, some asses trampling down the snow over the grass cover. Sunlei Jan 2016 #77
WTF are the Feds doing???? blackspade Jan 2016 #80
And the government just lets them commit crime after crime after crime. valerief Jan 2016 #83
We need a poll. Will PayPal shut them down before USG? Will contributors face charges. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #88
In for a dime .. in for a dollar. DemoTex Jan 2016 #89
They may have just moved from misdemeanor trespass to felony trespass yellowcanine Jan 2016 #92
Just like the bankers. There are no consequences for breaking the law for white gun owners. Kablooie Jan 2016 #93
That's destruction of federal property. I demand arrests. sinkingfeeling Jan 2016 #94
#ArrestTheBundyBunch might out trend #OregonStandoff, or #BundyCriminals. Next #BundyInmates. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #109
If they get a felony OkSustainAg Jan 2016 #96
It will mean they won't be able to own guns anymore. jmowreader Jan 2016 #100
Now USFWS is advising employees to relocate.. Sylvarose Jan 2016 #97
and the chickenshit feds are just sitting back and allowing this to happen. geek tragedy Jan 2016 #102
100% correct. Nihil Jan 2016 #159
Until the situation is resolved Cartoonist Jan 2016 #110
When the Bundys accept President Obama's surrender. nt geek tragedy Jan 2016 #119
After all, if the President was white, this would not happen, right? L. Coyote Jan 2016 #137
Read the Good, Bad, & Ugly regarding the Hammond denial of grazing permit maggies farm Jan 2016 #98
Good post! red dog 1 Jan 2016 #120
Under Oregon law, felony theft with firearm, five year minimum, Class A felony 20 years maximum. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #142
Déjà Poo RandiFan1290 Jan 2016 #108
Déjà 1492. More like a parady entitled #AmericanGenocideHowTo if you're Native. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #117
Send them some... 3catwoman3 Jan 2016 #116
Better yet, inject LSD into the snacks being sent in red dog 1 Jan 2016 #121
Bad trip jerky! 3catwoman3 Jan 2016 #123
Never feed psychedelics to the delusioonal. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #125
Would love to see these asshats trip their brains out. Good idea wordpix Jan 2016 #188
We need snipers. Take those traitors out. dbackjon Jan 2016 #118
Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities is illegal Jacoby365 Jan 2016 #126
18 USC § 924(c). Punishment ranges from at least 5 years up to life imprisonment L. Coyote Jan 2016 #127
just start confiscating all his stuff NOW. 1st his fucking beef. take his COWS. pansypoo53219 Jan 2016 #130
I don't care if his family ends up homeless JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #132
Federal Agency Condemns Militants Removing Refuge Fences L. Coyote Jan 2016 #140
Get the ranchers back to THEIR range? wordpix Jan 2016 #189
This is horrifying, I'm in shock. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #141
Do whatever you want Ammond flamingdem Jan 2016 #143
Here's the warning from HarneyCoSheriff on #OregonStandoff = tonite community meet L. Coyote Jan 2016 #144
Here's the next poster boy for birth control... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #145
If you are referring to his appearance, he had an accident damaging nerves. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #146
I don't care if HE (foreground) was born that way or not... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #147
Community Meeting Applause: Pete Santilli got thrown out for disruption LIVE while broadcasting. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #148
More gunnut white privilege trillion Jan 2016 #154
Meanwhile, federal law enforcement stands idly by; 30 miles away... Earth_First Jan 2016 #161
Agreed, and this can present problems, down the road Babel_17 Jan 2016 #163
Occupied Oregon wildlife refuge known for listening to ranchers L. Coyote Jan 2016 #164
You make this a OP on its own. That article has some important information. greatlaurel Jan 2016 #165
If that guy in last pic freezes to death wordpix Jan 2016 #190
Not a fan of fences either but... harun Jan 2016 #166
Actually, one cannot possible imagine Native Amreticans doing this. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #173
Harney County judge to bill Ammon Bundy up to $70,000 a day for security costs L. Coyote Jan 2016 #169
All Hat, No Cattle: Three Things to Know About the Militants’ Standoff in Southeast Oregon L. Coyote Jan 2016 #170
‘We Don’t Want Bloodshed’: Armed White Militants in Oregon v. Paiute Tribe L. Coyote Jan 2016 #171
#OregonStandoff: The Militants say they'll reveal an exit plan Friday #ArmedTrolls L. Coyote Jan 2016 #174
"Now comes kangaroo court portion .... What would a #YeeHawd be without some form of sharia law" L. Coyote Jan 2016 #177
NOW: interview with Ammon Bundy amidst #OregonStandoff on @RT_America @ 8pm ET L. Coyote Jan 2016 #179
Self-appointed 'judge' arrives to convene an extra-legal "citizens grand jury" L. Coyote Jan 2016 #182
Anti-Obama march organizer fatally shoots right-wing militant buddy in drunken dispute over gun L. Coyote Jan 2016 #183
LISTEN: KUOW - Burns-Area Residents Call For Kindness With One Another L. Coyote Jan 2016 #185
#Bundyland - Two devout Mormon brothers have created a fantasy camp for commandos in Eastern Oregon L. Coyote Jan 2016 #191
Rancher: 'I didn't know anything' about Bundy entering property, destroying fence L. Coyote Jan 2016 #194
#Oregonstandoff - 213 new results last few hours - Burns Fire Chief/Comm. of Safety Member Resigns L. Coyote Jan 2016 #195
Harney County won't host community meeting with Bundy as headliner - #BundyCult L. Coyote Jan 2016 #196
Bundy calls Judge Grasy "a dictator" for not allowing militia to meet at county-owned fairgrounds L. Coyote Jan 2016 #197
Backer Of Bundy Militia Arrested After Building Bombs And Threatening Police L. Coyote Jan 2016 #198
Months before Malheur occupation, another Oregon land dispute galvanized militants L. Coyote Jan 2016 #199
BundyBunch bunch built a road at the refuge yesterday L. Coyote Jan 2016 #200
Oregon State Police arrest Kenneth Medenbach = stolen Malheur National Wildlife Refuge vehicles. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #202
Bend rally for public lands/#malheur swells to over 200, takes to street. #RefugeRally L. Coyote Jan 2016 #203
BREAKING : Oregon Protesters find HIDDEN "Goverment" Surveillance Cameras L. Coyote Jan 2016 #205
Burns Paiutes seek federal prosecution if artifacts disturbed + Counter Protest Ongoing Now L. Coyote Jan 2016 #206
Refuge occupiers clash with environmentalists and ask FBI to stop 'psychological warfare' L. Coyote Jan 2016 #207
Bundy, "Native Americans had the claim to the land .. but the current culture is the most important" L. Coyote Jan 2016 #208
Guest Opinion: Rep. Greg Walden (R-OR) works against our public lands L. Coyote Jan 2016 #209
#Oregonstandoff #BundyBunch plan meet w/ community tonight @ private Crystal Crane Hot Springs L. Coyote Jan 2016 #210
"We're 2hrs. in to the community mtg w/domestic terrorists at the Oregon wildlife Refuge." L. Coyote Jan 2016 #211
Oregon Militia Brings Battle Back to Malheur Reservation L. Coyote Jan 2016 #212
#RefugeRally chant went from "birds not bullies" to "throw the bums in jail" #Oregonstandoff 43 pics L. Coyote Jan 2016 #213
Cliven Bundy says he talks to his sons in Oregon at least daily. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #214
OPB Listen: Oregon Gov. Kate Brown: 'Spectacle Must End' + Harney Community Meeting Video L. Coyote Jan 2016 #215
One of protesters murdered his father, pleaded insanity, and is prohibited from possessing firearms L. Coyote Jan 2016 #216
Bundy talking to an FBI negotiator - #OregonStandoff L. Coyote Jan 2016 #217
Militants Bring Young Children To Stay At Occupied Refuge L. Coyote Jan 2016 #218

randys1

(16,286 posts)
25. They shoot Black kids for jaywalking, listening to loud music and eating Skittles
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:36 PM
Jan 2016

they dont have to break the law.

I am totally fine with no violence right now as long as these guys, all of them, are indicted and tried on the multiple felony charges they are indictable under.

If not, then they run the risk of pissing off the adults/liberals/voters.

Baitball Blogger

(46,819 posts)
42. Deplorable, deplorable, deplorable what we're witnessing today.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:55 PM
Jan 2016

Our country has destabilized countries, including our own, and the feds are afraid to act on a bunch of whiney, privileged anarchists because they're white? Really?

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
104. the feds are not afraid -
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:35 PM
Jan 2016

they are having to deal with all of the paid off corporate puppets that have infiltrated all sectors of government without letting on how corrupt they all are.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
172. Yeah, if those were black people in there they would be sniping them.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 03:27 PM
Jan 2016

So sick of these Bundy asshats getting away with this shit.

They better figure out how to deal with this soon. They haven't even cut off power or water yet, have they?

.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
4. there is news of dissention in the mix. let it brew and this will end on
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:08 PM
Jan 2016

a whimper. They didn't get a mass uprising and they aren't getting challenged so they're escalating to make one. It will fail too.

CanonRay

(14,161 posts)
27. So if they set fire to the buildings as they leave, that's OK too?
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jan 2016

We should just let them do whatever they want so this ends "peacefully"? I don't get it.

Marty McGraw

(1,024 posts)
31. As long as they stay in it
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:40 PM
Jan 2016

Like their past heroes did (at least this time they won't have any innocents involved in their lunacy) when it goes up.

I can certainly live with it.

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
156. These people are liable to torch the place by accident. I wouldn't trust them drunk in a cabin.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 03:18 AM
Jan 2016

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
106. not sure about there not being children
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jan 2016

there are photos/video of bundy - oregon.live or local tv - walking with kids while holding one on the refuge land.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
175. no. we let them find out they have no support. I have been to this place. The locals
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 06:51 PM
Jan 2016

are going to be pivotal. They thought they had a built in support but they don't. My family is from this region. Eastern Oregon. A shoot out will only strengthen them. Arrest them when its not going to start a war.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
184. People don't realize just how cool-headed we are in Oregon. And these clowns are clueless about us.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:06 PM
Jan 2016

[center]Yes, we have a few extremists, but the locals in Burns are sensible people just like almost everyone in Oregon.

Even our obstructionists wouldn't do this criminal stuff. That said, we need to know who is really behind this event.

?1446942515

Cosmocat

(14,600 posts)
192. Me personally, I would like to see these fucktards
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:49 PM
Jan 2016

treated like our fellow american of darker complexion.

But ... The game isn't fair.

As long as on the back end they get what is coming to them, sadly, because of how it would be spun, they get his kind of wide berth.

Chemisse

(30,831 posts)
52. That's probably a really good strategy.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:07 PM
Jan 2016

As long as they wind up behind bars when all this is done.

The rest of us face charges when we break federal laws; they had better face charges too.

Kablooie

(18,657 posts)
95. Problem is that I don't think there will be any jail time for any of them.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:12 PM
Jan 2016

I think they all be left totally free, and rich, to plunder the government more in the future.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
64. federal cowardice in responding to the Bundy's is what encouraged this insurrection.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:14 PM
Jan 2016

Note that they didn't lift a goddamn finger against these terrorists when they pointed weapons at federal agents.

They are winning because the feds are determined to lose this fight.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
103. I keep waiting for that vid +bring in military to quell the rebellion
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:33 PM
Jan 2016

Keep piling on the charges, feds. There is plenty of precedent about fed power over armed insurrection

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
10. and they are adults governed by laws with very stiff penalties.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:15 PM
Jan 2016

From my review of the statutes, after this display of stupidity, the #BundyBunch won't be getting out of jail because of the mandatory minimums.


[center]The #BundyBunch was spotted this morning, foraging for snacks.


For those who haven't visited this part of the world:
Photo explore the area in Panoramio

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
43. but even the worst of kids know they are doing wrong.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:58 PM
Jan 2016

Some are even sorry about it. Or at least being caught.

These folks are worse than children.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
107. Hey, gawd told them to do it
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jan 2016

with guns and everything. The idiots don't know they're wrong in their pea brains

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
153. Yeah, "God told me to start an armed conflict" is not a sermon, it's an #ArmedTroll at work.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 03:09 AM
Jan 2016

If you can call parading around for a camera in a blue plaid jacket work.
Guy can't even pull up a steel post by hand.

Charles Darwin ?@CDarwinWasRight 7 minutes ago Retweeted Anna
The #Oregonstandoff is so scary cause it is a Mad Max scenario come true. These people are ready to die, and to kill

Meanwhile in real muse: Paul Solomon ?@FrankTheDoorman 7 hours ago
If Donald Trump wants to be president, he still has to produce a long-form birth certificate for that thing on his head.



johnnypanic42

(14 posts)
85. like Kim Davis's "rebellion"?
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:50 PM
Jan 2016

I can just see it now...all the supporters marching out of the refuge while "Eye of the Tiger" plays in the background...hey, as long as they look cool, it's not illegal, right?

Volaris

(10,284 posts)
90. For arguments sake, I would agree with that FOR NOW.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jan 2016

If I were going to sit down in the middle of a street to display my dislike of jaywalking laws,
I know full well that the police will come and arrest me....that's the point.

Insurrection is when I RESIST that arrest with force.

Right now, sure we could call this property violations or some other such nonsense.
The real test will be when the Feds show up to enforce warrants.

(On edit) -- none of what I just said makes your Congressman any less of an idiot fuckwad. He should be smart enough to know how this could end (badly for everyone) and should be doing everything in his power to de-esclate this situation; if he's going to show up and run his mouth he should at least be trying to do something USEFUL with it...

1939

(1,683 posts)
112. If you laid down across a road out on this refuge to protest,
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:40 PM
Jan 2016

you probably wouldn't be arrested though if you laid out there long enough you might die of exposure.

By the same token, if these guys were making their stand by setting up a roadblock on the 14th St bridge in DC, they would have been hauled off long ago (or if they had occupied the Lincoln Memorial).

Volaris

(10,284 posts)
122. I agree. But nobody ever said changing the system was supposed to be easy
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:09 PM
Jan 2016

So let them freeze to death
(Makes the feds jobs easier later)

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
113. Ask him his opinion of destroying gov property
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:41 PM
Jan 2016

we taxpayers will have to pay to replace. Is that ok with the Lab?

2naSalit

(87,084 posts)
33. Actually, to keep cattle out.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:46 PM
Jan 2016

Which is why they're tearing it down... and to escalate the issue now that they are emboldened by Congresscritters.

louis-t

(23,322 posts)
46. I wouldn't say 'emboldened'.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:00 PM
Jan 2016

More like 'desperate'. They want conflict. They're children clamoring for attention and they're not getting enough. Full of over-inflated self-worth. They believe their own rhetoric. They really think the government is going to come git them and they can't wait to start shooting.

2naSalit

(87,084 posts)
57. yes, there's that
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:10 PM
Jan 2016

AND there is the issue that several teabaggers in office have also been backing them as of the last 48 hours. Then there's that fence, one of the longtime issues for the guys who ARE in jail for tearing down that fence and setting fires etc.. This refuge is in dispute because the riparian vegetation and stream banks were being destroyed by cattle so the fence was erected to keep the cows out. The fence is the excuse for the insurrection.

And it isn't just a swamp, it is sensitive habitat that is being destroyed by these kkklowns and that heavy equipment. They want cattle to be allowed on the sanctuary at the very least... and a good old fashioned shoot out wif' de gubbamint. yahoo.

OnionPatch

(6,169 posts)
65. So this sensitive habitat can be destroyed because of this action!
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:15 PM
Jan 2016
It's time to arrest these bastards, NOW.

2naSalit

(87,084 posts)
69. You bet!
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jan 2016

They are using the dozer they found, I'm guessing, and they sure as heck didn't walk out to the fence. Haven't seen the images yet but being slightly familiar with the place, they are indeed destroying sensitive habitat/land. It will take a lot of effort and time for the wetland in the area they are driving heavy machinery to recover from that. Just imagine you have a nice little wetland in your yard and some sh*tforbrainz comes along in a machine that weighs at least 30,000lbs and drives it over the wetland and then moves it around a whole bunch in a concentrated patch...


OnionPatch

(6,169 posts)
75. Not to mention the cattle.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:36 PM
Jan 2016

Cattle can destroy wetland habitat very quickly.

This is really getting out of hand. WTF?? If the feds don't do something soon, they're seriously guilty of neglect of duty.

2naSalit

(87,084 posts)
81. I truly have mixed feelings
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:42 PM
Jan 2016

as to what means of remedy are appropriate... I know what these guys are like and they are dangerous. Looks like they are using a little bobcat thing, not a big dozer, but that's really bot the point.

Yeah, cattle is a detriment to the landscape out in the west but the cattlefolks will tell you how they help improve the land and that they are actually good for the land, as one rancher berated me about last night. I even heard big Ed let a rancher tell him that rubbish the other day and he didn't challenge her. Remember, science is a ruse to them and what they think they know because gawd told 'em, is all that matters and has to be true if the voice in their head said so.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
84. The welfare cattle do destroy springs and land. Heres a spot some advocates watched trampled out,
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:48 PM
Jan 2016

recently. riparian areas are ruined, native grasses are eaten away.

Several video documentations of the cattle damages on this account. The Federal Gov. has shown favoritism to the Bundy-type 'ranchers' for decades. They never charge them with crimes.

&list=PLc5tAFyq8zIbJ4NK9SLxzAgCtLMXfv-Ty&index=14

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
124. In wilderness desperate for water, arrived at a spring far from legal grazing, found cow shit soup
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:12 PM
Jan 2016

and wondered how any animals in the area could even survive?

One of the unwanted side effects of the #BundyTeaParty, to their own interests, is exposure of the truth of land use out West, environmental destruction wherever not protected. This will result in higher grazing fees and more restrictions on environmental impacts. If we have any sense as a nation, it would result in habitat restoration wherever possible. But first, we have to throw the TeaParty out of Congress.
[center]
rebels mom ?@anonhumanperson 3 minutes ago
Sources: Malheur data breach concerns Fish & Wildlife-residents being threatened http://wp.me/p4yR81-14yM via @koinnews #oregonstandoff

Rick on Point ?@RickOnPnt 6 minutes ago
Let's be honest, if the #OregonMilitia had been Muslim, there would have been a bloodbath by now. #Oregonstandoff
#overit #gohome

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
160. Those kind of trample 'grazed to the sand" land damages are why Ca. has drought & wildfires today.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:09 AM
Jan 2016

The not native cheat grass looks pretty and green in spring, it burns like crazy, its fire tinder in fall. All it takes is one asshole,one car/truck to drive off road or build a campfire- to ignite a wildfire.

I don't think most people realize sheep and cattle aren't 'clipper' grazers. Most people don't realize cattle do NOT even have upper front grazing teeth. just a flat skin pad up top to grasp and pull out grasses. Their manure doesn't spread seeds either.

Those livestock stay in one spot and eat roots and all, cattle wallow in springs and along creek & river sides until the land is dead sand. This causes erosion in lands so fragile the track damage from the 100 years ago wagon trains still are easy to see.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
152. You are so right about rancher welfare
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:56 AM
Jan 2016

Many from what I've seen in the west overuse and abuse our public lands and the fed gov is complicit. Wildlife can't survive when their habitat is destroyed by what John Muir referred to as "hoofed locusts."

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
162. A majority of people in the West care deeply about the land.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:59 AM
Jan 2016

Moreso perhaps when they own it themselves. Over-exploitation is counter-productive and ranchers know this.

The Nation is complicit for creating the situation. The West was won (read: stolen) with guns and raped for resources to the extent allowed. Now, there is a culture clash and the values that stole a continent for the Anglo nation; draw first, shoot to kill, the only good Indian is a dead Indian, there's gold in them thar hills and forests, etc., are obsolete. Cultural transformation takes time, moreso in once isolated communities. Today, a new generation is upon us, the fossils are really outnumbered, and in a connected world, rural insular culture is a thing of the past for the younger generation. The ecological wisdom of the Natives is no longer esoterica to ignorant immigrants, it is the majority view.

That does not change the nature or impact of "hooved locusts" though. We need to regulated the range better, for the benefit of the natural world and our future sustainability, not for personal profit of greedy locals. If the federal government continues to subsidize rural communities in sparsely populated areas, and there are very good reasons to do so including care of the public lands, there are far better ways to stimulate rural economies. How about infrastructure spending. But hey, the US's apparent need to militarize the globe prevails over concerns such as roads and bridges at home.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
186. Agree but as a fed landowner living in the East
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jan 2016

I say the fees for use of fed lands need to increase along with incentives to restore abused and overused areas. I have seen far too many abuses in the west and ranchers and miners get use of the land almost free. Witness the miners ' fees similar to 1800s fees and we no longer have pick and shovel miners but heavy equipment operations.

Stimulate rural economies by incentives like eco tourism, grass fed, pasture raised meat operations that are small farm oriented and organic grain growing. It is nearly impossible to get organic wheat, for example, and organic bread is sky high. But poisoning the land, running large herds, and heavy equipment mining rule.

Btw, organic farming nationwide is up to 1%of all farming. Whoopdedoo.

louis-t

(23,322 posts)
101. They held court and started unwinding the barbed wire
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:31 PM
Jan 2016

in a show for the cameras. Several guys took turns. The media ate it up.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
7. What all hot-blooded American men aspire to do -break shit.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jan 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
38. Area Extremist Republicans are part of the problem, most Oregonians are saner.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jan 2016

There was a real Tea Party tea time yesterday, Ammon Bundy and fellow gun-toting registered Republicans, this time not just any Republicans, big shots (pun intended).

Nevada, Oregon State Reps Meet With Armed Occupiers
by John Sepulvado and Dave Blanchard OPB | Jan. 10, 2016 Burns, Oregon

Nevada state Rep. Michele Fiore, a Republican, tells OPB she called Ammon Bundy Saturday night. Fiore has long been an ally of the Bundy family. The representative sponsored land transfer legislation known as the ‘Bundy Bill’ in March last year, and directed profanity at another colleague on the floor of the Nevada legislature while defending it.

“Everyone knows I’m a supporter of the Bundy family,” Fiore said. “Our relationship is pretty well documented.” ..............


No encouragement to further terrorism whatsoever, right!

Retired fed worker groups urge action in Burns
Letters asks U.S. Attorney General for response to refuge occupation
By Dylan J. Darling / The Bulletin / @DylanJDarling Jan 11, 2016

A pair of groups representing current and former federal employees have sent a letter to the head of the U.S. Department of Justice urging action to end the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters.

“In our experience we have learned that lawbreakers must be held accountable in a timely manner or they will gain power and become more dangerous,” reads the letter from the Public Lands Foundation and the National Association of Forest Service Retirees sent Tuesday to U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch. “We are very concerned that the longer that no action is taken, the current situation will deteriorate and become more and more dangerous for the dedicated people protecting the public lands and the public legally using these lands.” ........


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#Oregonstandoff #ranchers #wildlife #birders #publicland #ecology #BLM #Oregon #OregonUnderAttack #BundyMilitia #BundyBunch

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
9. So, how many years of jail is that so far?
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jan 2016

- breaking and entering
- armed sedition
- theft (of utilities)
- computer fraud and abuse (for logging in those computers without clearance)
- vandalism (destroying a fence)

Delver Rootnose

(250 posts)
18. None....
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jan 2016

...the DoJ only goes after people who emperil the profits of the wealthy. They know who thier employers are.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
115. hmmm. let me think...
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:47 PM
Jan 2016

ah! they are one and the same?
i most definitely believe this to be true. same as the teahaddhist kkk elected government reps paid off by the corporations that want to get their share of profits from tearing up the land and resources and exporting/selling them to china. walden is definitely part of those schemes along with many law enforcement - state & local.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
187. Well now there's a murder in the restore America group
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jan 2016

headed to D.C. for a coup to remove Obama and congressmen, and the local sheriff is buying the self defense claim. How many more crimes should be documented before these buffoons get their comeuppance?

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
193. You mean get exactly what they are seeking?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:03 PM
Jan 2016

No thanks. They will get what they have coming eventually--- when giving it to them will not turn them into martyrs. I see these scum for exactly what they are and recognize what they are trying to do. They are traitors to the United States of America and are trying to foment armed revolt. First they are trying to recruit others to follow them. Hammering them at this point will serve that purpose. They can easily be pulverized at the time of OUR choosing, not theirs.

wouldsman

(94 posts)
12. What a poser!
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:18 PM
Jan 2016

Reminds me of Bush cutting brush with his chainsaw.

No real farmer/rancher ever works with barb wire with no gloves on. Especially in winter time!
Poser!
Take his "rural card" away from him. Take his "farmer card", his "rancher card" and his "country boy" card away from him.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
54. Of course he did, these types cant compete fairly so they use the govt, lie about it, then
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:08 PM
Jan 2016

work overtime to make sure nobody else can do what they did.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
71. Check it out in Google earth, Phoenix site of the Harney County Militia and #BundyTeaParty offices.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:30 PM
Jan 2016
Harney Co. Committee Of Safety Asks Occupiers To Leave in "a peaceful, honorable fashion"

[center]
The Chair of Harney County Republicans Tim Smith is a vocal supporter of the Hammonds
AND a director of the Harney County Committee of Safety (HCCS).


Which has a website, domain owned/registered to Ammon Bundy in Phoenix, AZ.


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Quoting from Ammon Bundy's Harney Co. CS webpage:

It is the function of the Committee of Safety to call up able-body men and women to stand in defense of unalienable rights. The Committee of Safety is the governing body for the Militia and directs the Militia in its defensive actions.


Yeah, until the militia splits in two and goes insanely felonious. Then who answers for forming the militia in the first place? Just one #TeaPartyNut ot the lot of nuts? This needs to be pinned on the non-donkeys where deserved.

TNNurse

(6,938 posts)
13. Working on barbed wire with no gloves...
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:18 PM
Jan 2016

has he ever actually worked on a ranch?? Please do not shoot him, I would rather he suffer from lockjaw.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
14. Armed thugs committing Federal crimes on LIVE TV, but no worries
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jan 2016

I'm sure they'll come to their senses soon, and simply pack up and go home if we keep
looking the other way and doing nothing to stop these well-intentioned but misguided
fellows.



The Mafia must be taking notes on how to commit a continuous chain of Federal crimes publicly,
then be allowed to simply walk-free.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
21. They are getting too much attention, shut off the utilities, lock them in,
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:28 PM
Jan 2016

Ignore them, like bratty kids trying to get attention.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
24. The Bundys have lots of assets that the government can take in order to pay for the damage.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:35 PM
Jan 2016

Let them party on. They will get a comeuppance in a court. And it won't be a shoot-out at the OK Corral. It will cost them. They are imposing costs on the taxpayers. Our courts are there to recoup those costs.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
29. Nobody has seized Cliven Bundy's assets for his million dollars in delinquent fees.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:38 PM
Jan 2016

Nor has he had any "comeuppance in court." Not in 2 years. two fucking years.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
47. They can start with those expensive pickups and equipment.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jan 2016

If these guys are so broke they need to ask for donations for coffee creamer, how can they afford to pay for the pickups. ?
I know those things cost a lot nowdays.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
41. ...because they are white, and probably directly related to Law Enforcement through their families.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:55 PM
Jan 2016

This is an invasion of US Federal Territory, as far as I'm concerned, and a military response would not be out of the question.

Botany

(70,694 posts)
35. teddy roosevelt would have kicked that man's ass
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:49 PM
Jan 2016

You have professional ecologists, biologists, range mangers, and ranchers who put up that
fence. I hope that asshole will help round up the neighbor's stock when they gets away or pays
for the sock when the coyotes and or mt.lions kill them.

I spent all day listening to professional ecologists give lectures and I come home to see this shit?



mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
37. "No exceptions" except the exceptions that will happen
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:49 PM
Jan 2016

They're rich, they're white, shit ain't gonna happen.

2naSalit

(87,084 posts)
39. Not to mention
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jan 2016

the riparian zone they are tearing up which will take a long time to recover.

I'm ready to go shoot these kkklods myself but all I got is a musket and a two day drive!

Paladin

(28,296 posts)
44. They're being allowed to do what they want. Law enforcement isn't doing jack shit.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jan 2016

Where, when and how is the line going to be drawn against these thug white guys in cowboy hats? I'm sick to death of it.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
45. nothing will happen
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:00 PM
Jan 2016

Nothing will happen to these "patriots", eventually they will run out of food and leave, and the govt will just mark it down as a blip. They will hire some local folks to put the fence back up and just mosey on home..... Lets try an experiment. Lets gather a group of latinos or blacks together, hand them guns, put them in a federal facility and see how fucking fast they are cleared out.....hmmmmm would they last for 2 weeks?

people

(635 posts)
49. Any explanations for this other than fear of the militias & racism?
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jan 2016

I definitely do not want anyone shot or killed over this craziness. BUT it certainly looks like the gov't is afraid of these militia types and that because Bundy and supporters are WHITE rancher types they can do what they please and they will not be arrested or prosecuted. Where are the military tanks that surrounded black protesters in Ferguson and other places? Was the salvaged military type equipment only handed out to police depts. where there are large minority populations??? This makes the gov't look VERY PATHETIC and VERY racist. SAD, sad, sad.

Munificence

(493 posts)
129. I must of missed it
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:49 PM
Jan 2016
"Where are the military tanks that surrounded black protesters in Ferguson and other places?"

This situation is bad enough as it is without needing to make up stuff.

Tanks in Ferguson....funny stuff there.









L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
131. Oregon is not Ferguson, Missouri, Harney County the more so.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jan 2016

I hear calls for swift confrontation, as if petitioning the Davis police to intervene with pepper spray, except not pepper spray.

I'd like to think that for once we might see how it is done right because it is happening in Oregon,. All the people ranting for conflict are not helping a difficult situation. I know Oregon and some of the people in elected office and I'm not worried. Just let the responsible people do their jobs and stay out of their way.

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shireen

(8,333 posts)
50. government inaction ...
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:04 PM
Jan 2016

is to allow time for these self-entitled assholes to self-destruct.
That's my theory. After what happened in Ruby Ridge and Waco, FBI is being wise to watch and wait.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
55. Old Man Bundy had people aiming weapons at Federal agents
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:08 PM
Jan 2016

You think anything will be done here?

LMAO
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
58. How did they get the pickup and skid-steer?
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:10 PM
Jan 2016

The skid-steer and the pickup towing it are government equipment, federal government equipment. Did they steal that stuff? Any government employee who helped them will lose his job, maybe end up in jail.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
135. They stole the entire facility, moved in, call it theirs, put up new signage even.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 09:27 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Tue Jan 12, 2016, 04:58 PM - Edit history (1)

[center]Dave Killen ?@killendave 3 minutes ago
Oregon occupation planned for months by Ammon Bundy and Montana militia leader http://s.oregonlive.com/QOt7Uvl #Oregonstandoff

Cliff Crego ?@cliffcrego 4 minutes ago
#Delta5 #ClimateTrial & #OREGONStandoff 'Rule of Force' continues as armed takeover goes on w/ impunity.Breathtaking


PoliticalGroove ?@PoliticalGroove 16 minutes ago
Militia on closed local schools: "We don't want no kids missing no education on account o' us" #Oregonstandoff

Maggie Jordan ?@MaggieJordanACN
The cash strapped #OregonMilitia paid to purchase a new sign for the refuge
OR
They commandeered a Staples


 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
61. ENOUGH!
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:12 PM
Jan 2016

Send in the national guard. We have been invaded from within.

Enough of the DC-driven cowardice.


 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
66. Why in the goddamn hell are these fucking insurrectionists
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:15 PM
Jan 2016

being allowed to run amok? Something very wrong is going on behind the scenes and I'm beginning to think the feds are complicit in whatever it is.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
76. As of today they overtly committed felonies which completely change the situation.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:36 PM
Jan 2016

The threshold for prosecution has been crossed from the available evidence linking an act to an individual without reasonable doubt. That means indictments can go forward. And, I bet they left their firearms back at the refuge in their trucks to avoid those mandated extra years of prison time for stealing vehicles while armed! They want to be arrested, as you can plainly see. This tale supposed to wage the base until November.

SamKnause

(13,125 posts)
74. Does anyone have a link for a live feed ???
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:34 PM
Jan 2016

I tried the one in the post but I don't see a live feed anywhere on that page.

I searched Google and couldn't find a live feed either.

I have been checking CNN and MSNBC but have not seen any reports yet.

Thanks in advance.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
82. Twitter feed for the #hashtag
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jan 2016
https://twitter.com/hashtag/oregonstandoff?f=tweets&vertical=default&src=hash

then look at the navigation bar at the top, choices are Top, Live, Photos, Videos, etc. This references that LIVE, the most recent tweets. I don't know if the M$M or the idiot brigade of yeehadists are broadcasting, but I want to see everyone's postings so I use Twitter Live. This seems to be the most active tag and the most neutral. Some tags are redneck, some mock them, and have less balanced and less activity.[center]

Benjamin Kerensa Verified account ?@bkerensa 2 minutes ago
It seems like the feds are just letting the #bundymilitia stack up new fed charges to they can send them away for life #Oregonstandoff

CareerFed ?@careerfed 2 minutes ago Retweeted montag
Oh Lawdy, #YallQaeda doesn't have an exit plan either! #VanillaISIS #Oregonstandoff #OregonUnderAttack

Alexis Sullivan ?@LexieS1723 3 minutes ago
Well fine, I'ma go get my 40 acres & a mule then. Since people stealing & destroying shit around here & nobody seems 2 care. #Oregonstandoff

SamKnause

(13,125 posts)
87. Thank you.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:50 PM
Jan 2016

I clicked on Live several times.

I guess there is no live feed available at this time.

Thank you.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
91. You are welcome. #JailBundy
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:58 PM
Jan 2016

Live feed in Twitter is not a LIVE broadcast, and you have to click to refresh with the latest tweets. A JavaScript keeps you connected to the server and you see the number of new tweets as they post, up at the top. Here is what is at the top of the feed right now, a new hashtag, #JailBundy:

Galen Mittermann ?23 seconds ago Retweeted KGW News
Enough is enough. It's time to #jailbundy.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
80. WTF are the Feds doing????
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:40 PM
Jan 2016

Standing around with their thumbs up their asses?

What other group has been allowed to continue to wrack up felonies for weeks before LE makes them stop?

Fucking hell!

valerief

(53,235 posts)
83. And the government just lets them commit crime after crime after crime.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jan 2016

Cuz in America only the innocent are punished, never the guilty.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
88. We need a poll. Will PayPal shut them down before USG? Will contributors face charges.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:53 PM
Jan 2016

Anyone contributing money or snacks to them hereafter the felony action, can also be charged. This was a bad move, they just lost the snacks!

mommadona™ ?@mommadona 6 minutes ago
Couple dozen grown men and all they've done, for a week, is point guns/spit /tear down fences #DomesticTerrorist #Deadbeats #Oregonstandoff

Cornelia @PaladinCornelia
Take wild public land, privatize it and let ranchers run cattle ALL OVER IT!
Yahoo! #Oregonstandoff #HarneyCounty

yellowcanine

(35,715 posts)
92. They may have just moved from misdemeanor trespass to felony trespass
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:05 PM
Jan 2016

Criminal Trespass
The crime of criminal trespass involves a person knowingly entering or remaining on a property on which he knows he does not have permission to be. Criminal trespass is most often a misdemeanor, though it can be prosecuted as a felony, especially if the trespass results in damage to persons or property.

Read more : http://www.ehow.com/facts_5877144_difference-between-trespassing-criminal-trespassing.html

Kablooie

(18,657 posts)
93. Just like the bankers. There are no consequences for breaking the law for white gun owners.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:10 PM
Jan 2016

What do you bet we will see more illegal intrusions into government by old white guys with guns soon.
If there is no deterrent it will be inevitable.

Something really has to change in this country.
There is not even any pretense of everyone being equal in the eyes of the law anymore.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
109. #ArrestTheBundyBunch might out trend #OregonStandoff, or #BundyCriminals. Next #BundyInmates.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:39 PM
Jan 2016

You know the old saying, "Do the crime, do the time."

Colin Miner ?@cominer minutes ago
BREAKING: Federal employees report harassment, intimidation by self-described militia in #Oregonstandoff -
http://koin.com/2016/01/11/sources-malheur-data-breach-concerns-fish-wildlife/
https://t.co/sbZt1HpktA

Kristin Momoa ?@SpecialK_808 4 minutes ago
Bundy's Seem to have Carte Blanche out there now they've taken down a fence! 😡
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/11/1468520/-OR-standoff-crew-depart-from-federal-building-to-use-federal-equipment-to-destroy-federal-fence … #OregonUnderAttack #Oregonstandoff


Ammon Bundy ?@truepatriot15 6 minutes ago
Before you come, please make sure to bring any and all TP that's in that bathroom, solider. #Oregonstandoff

U of A Arts Faculty ?@UofA_Arts 9 minutes ago
Poli Sci prof Judy Garber explains #Oregonstandoff & why, so far, they've been left alone http://ow.ly/WVdyK #UAlberta

OkSustainAg

(203 posts)
96. If they get a felony
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jan 2016

Won't that mean they won't be able to buy guns anymore. That would be truly Ironic. HAHAHa!

jmowreader

(50,611 posts)
100. It will mean they won't be able to own guns anymore.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:31 PM
Jan 2016

Which means not only will they not be able to buy guns, they'll have to surrender the ones they own.

Sylvarose

(210 posts)
97. Now USFWS is advising employees to relocate..
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jan 2016

"A data breach by militia at the Malheur Wildlife National Refuge has led the US Fish and Wildlife Service to ask some of its employees to relocate from their homes until the situation is resolved, sources told KOIN 6 News."

http://koin.com/2016/01/11/sources-malheur-data-breach-concerns-fish-wildlife/

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
102. and the chickenshit feds are just sitting back and allowing this to happen.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:32 PM
Jan 2016

To the point they're moving their own damn people out of their own damn homes because the alternative--enforcing the law--has been declared a non-starter.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
159. 100% correct.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 09:35 AM
Jan 2016

The jerks only had the "courage" to act this way because Bundy's father has
*never* been punished for his crimes.

Failing to respond to criminal action is tacit approval of it.
That's why aiding & abetting is a crime alongside the action being supported.

Unfortunately, the government agencies were proven - to the whole world - to be
aiding & abetting Bundy senior's criminal activity and this is the result.

Apparently, enforcing the law against white gun-owners has been vetoed in
favour of allowing them to do whatever they want for as long as they want to.

Cartoonist

(7,328 posts)
110. Until the situation is resolved
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:39 PM
Jan 2016

Does that mean: when the white guys get everything they want and an open invitation to come back any time?

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
137. After all, if the President was white, this would not happen, right?
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 09:44 PM
Jan 2016

So really those liburls with their 'lections and laws 'n stuff brought this on 'emselves...

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maggies farm

(79 posts)
98. Read the Good, Bad, & Ugly regarding the Hammond denial of grazing permit
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:26 PM
Jan 2016

Damning indictment recites the arson crimes of the Hammonds in BLM denial for grazing permit letter. get some popcorn and read in entirety to understand how some do as they please.

Notice of Final Decision to Deny Application for Grazing Permit Renewal

The Hammonds were charged with malicious destruction of federal property by fire.

The Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, Pub. L. No. 104-132, 110 Stat. 1214, (also known as AEDPA) is an act of Congress signed into law on April 24, 1996. The bill was introduced by former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole, passed with broad bipartisan support by Congress (91-8 in the United States Senate, 293-133 in the House of Representatives) following the 1990s World Trade Center and Oklahoma City bombings, and signed into law by President Bill Clinton.[1][2]


S. 735 (104th): Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996

I sure hope they will be charged with pulling fences down. That is not consider a light offense in public ranges.

Legal Mandates relating to Public Lands Grazing

Laws that apply to the BLM’s management of public lands grazing include the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934, the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969, the Endangered Species Act of 1973, the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976, and the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978.

Fact Sheet on the BLM’s Management of Livestock Grazing

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
142. Under Oregon law, felony theft with firearm, five year minimum, Class A felony 20 years maximum.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 11:04 PM
Jan 2016

Robbery in the first degree if ..robbery in the third degree AND the person is armed with a deadly weapon, or uses or attempts to use a dangerous weapon... a Class A felony.
Robbery in the second degree if armed with what purports to be a dangerous or deadly weapon; or aided by another person actually present... a Class B felony.
164.395 Robbery in the third degree ... if in the course of committing or attempting to commit theft or unauthorized use of a vehicle the person uses or threatens the immediate use of physical force upon another person with the intent of preventing or overcoming resistance to the taking of the property or to retention thereof immediately after the taking ... a Class C felony.

161.605 Maximum prison terms for felonies
Class A felony, 20 years.
Class B felony, 10 years.
Class C felony, 5 years.

Next, there may be statutes that may be applied that require the maximum sentence per count.

Don't know if Oregon would charge them on Federal land, but you get their legal picture with this.[center]

Steve Kaufmann ?@SteveKmann 1 minute ago
Admiring another awesome gym in #HarneyCounty as we await the start of community mtg #Oregonstandoff @KTVZ


Amanda Peacher Verified account ?@amandapeacher 3 minutes ago
Packed house for tonight's community mtg in Burns about the #Oregonstandoff.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
117. Déjà 1492. More like a parady entitled #AmericanGenocideHowTo if you're Native.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:13 PM - Edit history (1)

"Hi. I'm from Arizona. God sent me. Where's the gold? Move over, I need your bulldozer."

This epitomizes how just a few assholes seeking gold killed off 60 million Americans moreso than anything else that comes to mind today.

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L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
125. Never feed psychedelics to the delusioonal.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:21 PM
Jan 2016

Especially with the #BundyBunch, they are already in cartoons.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
188. Would love to see these asshats trip their brains out. Good idea
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:32 PM
Jan 2016

They'll be easier to arrest with some spiked food and drinks. Send them a care package

Jacoby365

(452 posts)
126. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities is illegal
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:23 PM
Jan 2016

Just one of several laws they have broken. I guess the feds are not going to do anything.

18 U.S.C. § 930 : US Code - Section 930

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/44/930

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
127. 18 USC § 924(c). Punishment ranges from at least 5 years up to life imprisonment
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:33 PM
Jan 2016
FEDS: USE, CARRY OR POSSESS A FIREARM IN RELATION TO OR IN FURTHERANCE OF ... FEDERAL CRIME OF VIOLENCE:
18 USC § 924(c). Punishment ranges from at least 5 years up to life imprisonment,
without parole, or death if death results from use of firearm. Sentence must be
served consecutive to any other sentence. Mandatory minimum sentence increases
depending upon: the type of firearm involved (sawed-off gun, silencer, etc.);
whether more than one offense was committed; and whether gun was simply
possessed or was brandished or discharged.


Oregon: ORS 161.610 Enhanced penalty for use of firearm during commission of felony
... if a defendant is convicted of a felony having as an element the defendants use or threatened use of a firearm during the commission of the crime, the court shall impose at least the minimum term of imprisonment ....

(4) The minimum terms of imprisonment for felonies having as an element the defendants use or threatened use of a firearm in the commission of the crime shall be as follows:

(a) Except as provided in subsection (5) of this section, upon the first conviction for such felony, five years, except that if the firearm is a machine gun, short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun or is equipped with a firearms silencer, the term of imprisonment shall be 10 years.

.... felony crime of motor vehicle theft ... person must serve the full sentence and may not have the sentence reduced for any reason.


We don't have enough time left today to enumerate the possible statues that can be brought to bear. But, stealing a motorized vehicle in combination with the armed threat is a really long term for just that count. Each count must be served and cannot be reduced when firearms are involved in the commission of a felony seems to apply here.

pansypoo53219

(21,020 posts)
130. just start confiscating all his stuff NOW. 1st his fucking beef. take his COWS.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:56 PM
Jan 2016

fucking take away EVERYTHING. start an auction.

JustAnotherGen

(32,111 posts)
132. I don't care if his family ends up homeless
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 09:16 PM
Jan 2016

He should have money siezed to pay to replace it.

I'm not paying for this petulant little thug's vandalism.

They can eat beans and rice like lots of folks do who did nothing wrong. Vwho don't break laws. Who don't trespass. Who work hard and have little to show for it.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
140. Federal Agency Condemns Militants Removing Refuge Fences
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:00 PM
Jan 2016
Federal Agency Condemns Militants Removing Refuge Fences
by Conrad Wilson OPB Jan. 11, 2016

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is condemning the removal of fences bordering the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge by militants occupying the public property.

In a video released late Sunday, Ammon Bundy claimed his group would visit nearby ranchers Monday.

“We’re planning on going down to the ranch adjacent here to the Malheur Refuge where they’ve cut off the largest portion of their range,” Bundy said in the video address. “We’re going to go take that fence down and get those ranchers back to ranching on their range.”
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Ryan Haas Verified account ?@ryanjhaas 1 minute ago
Lots of you have asked why the gov. hasn't shut off utilities in #Oregonstandoff. FBI isn't giving answers. http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/law-enforcement-stays-quiet-on-refuge-occupation-/#.VpRb875DCsk.twitter


wordpix

(18,652 posts)
189. Get the ranchers back to THEIR range?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jan 2016

Uh, no, that is OUR range, collectively owned. These people are just thieves and felons.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
141. This is horrifying, I'm in shock.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:30 PM
Jan 2016

If the government does not stop these fuckers NOW then no park, national forest, or wildlife refuge is safe. This is an existential threat to the entire National Park/Monument/Forrest/Refuge system.

flamingdem

(39,345 posts)
143. Do whatever you want Ammond
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 11:09 PM
Jan 2016

enjoy your last breath of freedom cuz you're going to the slammer. Well eventually I believe.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
144. Here's the warning from HarneyCoSheriff on #OregonStandoff = tonite community meet
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 11:11 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Mon Jan 11, 2016, 11:45 PM - Edit history (1)

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Simone Del Rosario ?@SimoneReports 5 minutes ago
Here's the warning from @HarneyCoSheriff on #OregonStandoff. Sheriff speaking at community meeting tonight


Dave Killen Verified account ?@killendave 5 minutes ago
These meetings will be held every Monday "until they are no longer necessary" says opening speaker #Oregonstandoff

Anna King ?@AnnaKingN3 7 minutes ago
About 300 people sit on both sides of the Burns high school basketball court waiting for the sheriff to speak. #Oregonstandoff

ON EDIT, video removed. See this thread for more.

kennyjacobs ?@kennyjacobs 1 minute ago
Tossing Santili may have been celebrated at the Malheur illegal occupation site as much as the town meeting. #Oregonstandoff

Thomas Boyd Verified account ?@thomasboyd 3 minutes ago
Militant "journalist" removed from town meet for disrupting official speakers #Oregonstandoff

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
146. If you are referring to his appearance, he had an accident damaging nerves.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:07 AM
Jan 2016

Otherwise, don't you mean two of them?

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
147. I don't care if HE (foreground) was born that way or not...
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:16 AM
Jan 2016

These people are about as fucking clueless about government land and social justice as it comes.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
148. Community Meeting Applause: Pete Santilli got thrown out for disruption LIVE while broadcasting.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:22 AM
Jan 2016

Last edited Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:34 PM - Edit history (1)

Pete Santilli got thrown out on his ass LIVE! Then, outside by himself whining into YouTube about the Constitution ... unbearable whining ... more of same ...
LOL. ... the inadvertence of having a big mouth. Dude, you should be on right-wing talk radio, so we can shut you off. Which I had to do in two threads!
He's "the revolution" being televised. I just checked, and globally, there are 19 viewers. Pete Santilli Show All 19 of them are also the ones he films.

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Mike Walker ?@New_Narrative
“@AnnaKingN3: @HarneyCoSheriff says we can't get back to normal until these guys go home. #Oregonstandoff ”


Dave Killen Verified account ?@killendave
"Mr Bundy go home" says county judge Steve Grastly to applause #Oregonstandoff


[center]Anna King @AnnaKingN3
"I've never felt scared -- but today at a local cafe two locals were showing their guns -- that was a little much."


Dave Killen Verified account ?@killendave
That's a wrap, thanks for watching. See you all back at the refuge tomorrow I guess #Oregonstandoff

Dave Killen @killendave
Man asks Ward if he can prevent supplies going out to refuge by closing road, also requests he get rid of Pete Santilli #Oregonstandoff

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%23Oregonstandoff

Steve Kaufmann ?@SteveKmann
A banner in the gym reads "Let fear be far from all" #HarneyCounty #Oregonstandoff @KTVZ


JohnR ?@AnglerArcher
I want to make a living as an artist, doesn't mean Govt. has to make it possible. #Oregonstandoff #OregonUnderAttack

Fedor Zarkhin @FedorZarkhin
Next week, let's hope we're celebrating the Bundys are gone, mc says as meeting wraps up. #Oregonstandoff

Dave Killen ?@killendave
"We want the Bundys and all the militia to go home" , "ready for hourglass to run out" #Oregonstandoff


Mad John ?@John_de_Vashon Retweeted Wanda Moore
Yes. Let's be blunt: you have chosen to live in a sagebrush desert. Probably few worse places in US. #OregonStandoff

Dave Killen ?@killendave
"If it goes back to anybody it needs to go back to the Burns Paiute tribe" #Oregonstandoff


[center]ON EDIT: I found an online video of the Community Meeting this morning:



Published on Jan 12, 2016 by a militant sympathizer.
We are witnessing a "Mini civil war" in Burns Oregon. This meeting was stacked with residents who embrace having the Federal Government in their backyard. Where was the other side is my question?? Pete Santilli was a bit of a loose cannon and was removed (railroaded) apparently using zero tolerance of dissent as their justification, a typical tactic used by the "Progressive Communists" and "Statists" in control of local Governments.






Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
161. Meanwhile, federal law enforcement stands idly by; 30 miles away...
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:19 AM
Jan 2016

...simply watching it all unfold.

Remarkable.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
163. Agreed, and this can present problems, down the road
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:18 PM
Jan 2016

Uneven enforcement of the law could become a new rallying cry. Though, to be fair, if they eventually charge the crap out of these people, that might not be much of an issue.

These people might become the poster children for "What were they thinking?".

But on the third hand, we start getting into a grey area. It's like the case of a cop trailing a car and eventually handing out dozens of tickets for the many violations that were witnessed over the course of an hour. IIRC the courts take a dim view of that.

As I stated in another thread; Imo, a DOJ representative should issue a statement of the penalties involved with these kinds of offenses. Better yet, let a journalist ask about them, then answer.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
164. Occupied Oregon wildlife refuge known for listening to ranchers
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:31 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:18 AM - Edit history (2)

Occupied Oregon wildlife refuge known for listening to ranchers
Updated January 11, 2016

Grievances of outside protesters don’t seem to fit Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, where local Oregon ranchers and federal managers spent years working out their differences and arriving at a collaborative “adaptive management” plan.

By Hal Bernton
Seattle Times staff reporter

DIAMOND, Ore. — On a winter day of steel-gray skies, some 450 head of cattle found welcome forage in a flat, boggy expanse of lowland acreage. There, they grazed on a buffet of blue joint, creeping wild rye and other grasses that were cut and piled in the fall and now help them survive during these lean winter months.

This field is part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, which has a headquarters now occupied by armed anti-government protesters.

Over the past week, as the protesters raised a yellow “Don’t Tread on Me Flag,” they have portrayed the refuge as emblematic of federal tyranny in the rural West, and demanded the land be placed under local control.

For others, this remote refuge has become a very different sort of symbol, one that shows how federal agencies can reach out to different groups with different agendas — tribes, environmentalists and ranchers — and find common ground on how to manage the nation’s public lands.

..........
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nwNewsNetwork ?@nwNewsNetwork 24 minutes ago
Get the latest from the #OregonStandoff, including a cut-down fence and unworried neighbors http://bit.ly/1PIqeQM


Garry birch ?@BirchGarry 29 minutes ago
#Oregonstandoff #OregonUnderAttack #BundyCowliphate how long do we put with ASSHATS WITH GUNs


Garry birch ?@BirchGarry 35m35 minutes ago
#Oregonstandoff #BundyCowliphate call it what is


Cabe Silverhame ?@cabeaux
This is why most WANT federally-protected lands. Ultimately, ranching is unsustainable. #deadenders.#Oregonstandoff




greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
165. You make this a OP on its own. That article has some important information.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jan 2016

Thanks for the information.

harun

(11,348 posts)
166. Not a fan of fences either but...
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:04 PM
Jan 2016

one can imagine what would happen if Native Americans did this instead of armed white dudes with lawyer money.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
173. Actually, one cannot possible imagine Native Amreticans doing this.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 03:30 PM
Jan 2016
Y’all Qaeda Militia Fights for Wise Use
Steve Russell 1/11/16

When I write about Indian issues for a non-Indian audience, the effort always requires a history lesson....

The colonists, too, have historical pathways to get where they are today. Unlike Indians, they take pride in being ahistorical and always seem to think they’ve just invented some wheel that, to a historian, shows a lot of wear and tear. The Tea Party, for example, got its seed money from the same folks who seeded the John Birch Society, and so it’s no great surprise that the politics of the two organizations are similar.

As I write, an armed mob of “patriots” has occupied a bird sanctuary that occupies Northern Paiute land in Oregon. The Paiutes have no objection to a bird sanctuary, but the occupiers do. .....

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Dave Killen Verified account ?@killendave 1 minute ago
They're cleaning up garage. Lots of talk about rat feces & how gov't has let that get out of control #oregonstandoff


L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
169. Harney County judge to bill Ammon Bundy up to $70,000 a day for security costs
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:46 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Tue Jan 12, 2016, 03:01 PM - Edit history (1)

Oregon judge plans to bill Ammon Bundy up to $70,000 a day for security costs to county

An Oregon judge says he will bill Ammon Bundy up to $70,000 a day to reimburse Harney County for security costs related to the ongoing occupation of a wildlife refuge.

Bundy said the militants had rifled through files at the occupied building looking for evidence of wrongdoing, but he insisted they had not accessed computers — although public radio reporters witnessed them doing that.

WATCH: Teen chokes up at town meeting asking Bundy to leave, says ‘I shouldn’t have to be scared in my own hometown’

Some of the Fish and Wildlife employees have been relocated from their homes “out of an abundance of caution” in case their personal information, including home addresses, had been accessed by the militants. .................
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Jeffrey White ?@_lovearewe_
The #USA BOUGHT Malheur National Refuge in 1935.
#YallQaeda #OregonStandOff...WE OWN IT.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge


Wilderness Watch ?@WildernessWatch
In the #OregonStandoff, science is a hostage as #PublicLands employees face treats: http://bit.ly/1PUsnc6 #p2


Mike Walker ?@New_Narrative
Petition to arrest Ammon Bundy, #OregonStandOff occupiers gets close to 100,000 signatures:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/arrest-ammon-bundy-and-armed-occupiers-malheur-wildlife-refuge …"



Ryan Lowery ?@ryanmlowery
How the media was tricked by an Ammon Bundy parody Twitter account — #journo #journos #Oregonstandoff http://wapo.st/1PU4LEK?tid=ss_tw

This graphic has migrated to Twitter. Watch it go viral now![center]
Guerrilla Democrats ?@GuerrillaDems
White Privilege and the Myth of the West http://buff.ly/1JH1NUC
#bundymilitia #OregonUnderAttack #Oregonstandoff …
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Dave Blanchard Verified account ?@blanchardd 26 minutes ago
While removing USFWS fence, #Oregonstandoff-ers say "God bless America" & "For the Constitution." @Oregonian vid: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/oregon_standoff_bundy_militant.html?ath=b1b1a3f9fd99550c6c122e6300d75170#cmpid=nsltr_stryheadline

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
170. All Hat, No Cattle: Three Things to Know About the Militants’ Standoff in Southeast Oregon
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jan 2016
[center]A great rag, Willamette Week, with useful household tips:
Willamette Week ?@wweek Jan 11
How do you stay friendly with the neighbors, even if they are Trump supporters?
http://www.wweek.com/2016/01/06/dr-know-stop-


All Hat, No Cattle: Three Things to Know About the Militants’ Standoff in Southeast Oregon

The Bundy brothers came to Oregon saying they’d been led by God—and were soon followed to Harney County by a pack of local and national media.



.... Federal prosecutors built their case around three deer hunters, who testified that the Hammonds' hunting party shot into a group of seven or eight small bucks on federal land, constituting illegal poaching. "I saw at least four bucks get hit by bullets," testified hunting guide Gordon Choate. "I saw one with a leg flopping, running. And basically the herd of bucks just exploded like a flock of quail."

Prosecutors argued that by starting the fire, the Hammonds were able to destroy evidence of the deer slaughter. ..../


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L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
171. ‘We Don’t Want Bloodshed’: Armed White Militants in Oregon v. Paiute Tribe
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 03:13 PM
Jan 2016

[center]Jacqueline Keeler ?@jfkeeler 6 minutes ago
#OregonStandoff Paiute tribe asks for prayers--they're harassed on the streets by white men w/guns. http://ictmn.com/4v8m @IndianCountry

‘We Don’t Want Bloodshed’: Armed White Militants in Oregon v. Paiute Tribe
Jacqueline Keeler
1/12/16

Yet more armed, white militants, members of the Pacific Patriots Network arrived in Burns, Oregon this weekend. They claimed to be there to prevent another Ruby Ridge or Waco by providing a buffer between Ammon Bundy, son of Nevada rancher who drove BLM officers off his land with guns in 2014, and law enforcement.

Carrying guns, they presented a resolution to the FBI and local law enforcement calling for the return of land to the people of Harney County—and surprisingly, recommended co-management with the Burns Paiute Tribe.

Burns Paiute tribal chairperson Charlotte Roderique has stated to the media her irritation with Bundy and his “militia” supporters goal of “giving back the land to ranchers.” “It’s been validated we’ve been here since 15,000 years ago,” she told ICTMN. “These people are ignorant of the history and that they don’t think about the statements they are making. They are misinformed.”

The Northern Paiutes signed a treaty with the U.S. Government in 1868 that was not ratified and the land, including that of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge remains unceded tribal territory. ....

Roderique noted that “Secretary Jewell assured us that the federal authorities would take care of our sacred sites out there.” ....


Dave Killen ?@killendave 1 minute ago
Man says he's speaking for Oath Keepers, they're coming to Burns to join pacific patriots network #Oregonstandoff


Dave Killen ?@killendave 9 minutes ago
Finicum says "we're doing things," later will show us some buildings they're "working on" #Oregonstandoff


Not sure which Hollywood director is in charge of cinematography, props, costumes, horses, and feed. but good work.

Dave Killen ?@killendave 22 minutes ago
Back at it... 11am presser soon. We have an incongruous Lincoln continental sighting as well #Oregonstandoff


L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
174. #OregonStandoff: The Militants say they'll reveal an exit plan Friday #ArmedTrolls
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 04:21 PM
Jan 2016
Oregon standoff: Militants say they'll reveal exit plan Friday
34 PHOTOS
Luke Hammill | The Oregonian/OregonLive January 12, 2016 at 12:06 PM

... armed militants occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge announced Tuesday morning that they will drive into Burns at the end of the week to hold a community meeting and inform residents when they will leave.

The meeting will take place at 7 p.m. Friday evening, said Robert "LaVoy" Finicum. The location has yet to be determined.

"I think there should be a dialogue," said Finicum, a sidearm on his hip. ....
... The group is working on securing a location in Burns ....
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GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

Gargoyle ?@Patztense 3 minutes ago
@msbellows 1 week before #Oregonstandoff many militants staged in Seattle, vowing to free compatriot "by any means."



Shane Roth ?@apexnerd 21 minutes ago
Solid news on #Oregonstandoff from oregonlive http://s.oregonlive.com/CDjqSif

DJ Rubiconski ?@Rubiconski 57 minutes ago #Oregonstandoff


L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
177. "Now comes kangaroo court portion .... What would a #YeeHawd be without some form of sharia law"
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 07:09 PM
Jan 2016

Just in case the authorities hadn't yet added sedition to the charges the #ArmedTrolls have created a kangaroo court and convicted their political enemies of crimes. Maybe they are preparing for their invasion of Burns on Friday, trying to warm up the community by promising to hang their leaders and elected officials.

If anyone in Burns agrees to rent or provide a facility to these clowns, I will be amazed. [center]

SphynxCatsRule ?@SphynxCatsRule
#Oregonstandoff what if no one in the community shows up for the idiots' meeting Friday night? Wouldn't that be hilarious.[/center]

Public Lands ?@OurPublicLands 3 minutes ago
The #Oregonstandoff is face of #publiclands takeover attempts. Say 'No!' @nwf @NMWildlife http://bit.ly/1UCApYq

Gardner compared the American West to the original 13 colonies.

“That was the problem they were facing, that they had no authority to codify into law practices that were important to their life,” Gardner said. “And when laws were passed by England, they were adverse to the local community, in that they caused more resource problems than they solved.”


So, they threw off the laws preventing invading Ohio and then advanced their genocide to exterminate the people inhabiting the continent while claiming the "Free Land." This is their brand of freedom! [center]

web_rant ?@web_rant 24 minutes ago
Now comes kangaroo court portion of #Oregonstandoff. What would a #YeeHawd be without some form of "sharia" imposed.

DeMOMcrat ?@tbbucsbabe 30 minutes ago
Bundy Militia Loses It Over Bag Of D**ks (VIDEO) 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/01/12/bundy-militia-loses-it-over-bag-of-dks-video/

Dave Killen Verified account ?@killendave 9 minutes ago
FedEx delivery was just made to one of the militants occupying the #MalheurNationalWildlifeRefuge #oregonstandoff


Dave Killen ?@killendave 2 hours ago
Looks like the sign is back to its original state today #oregonstandoff


? ?@LULZ_subzero99 5 minutes ago
#Oregonstandoff
It's starts out with armed take over of parks and before you know it...
No music, no dancing, no women's rights.
#USISIS

Jeffrey White ?@_lovearewe_ 6 minutes ago
Consider Dialogue, Cooperation, Sharing, Compromise, Collaboration & Long-Term Profits & #Happiness
#OregonStandOff

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
179. NOW: interview with Ammon Bundy amidst #OregonStandoff on @RT_America @ 8pm ET
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 09:07 PM
Jan 2016

Simone Del Rosario ?@SimoneReports
Watch my exclusive interview with Ammon Bundy amidst #OregonStandoff on @RT_America @ 8pm ET http://bit.ly/1QZNvNu

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
182. Self-appointed 'judge' arrives to convene an extra-legal "citizens grand jury"
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:05 PM
Jan 2016
Like bees to flowers, predictably the crazies from all over the nation are migrating to a loon refuge.

Self-appointed 'judge' arrives in Burns to ask local residents to charge government officials with crimes
Oregonian/OregonLive By Betsy Hammond | The Oregonian/OregonLive January 12, 2016 at 5:55 PM

A self-proclaimed "U.S. Superior Court judge" who has been involved in past property rights protests in other states arrived Tuesday in Burns with plans to convene an extra-legal "citizens grand jury" that he said will review evidence that public officials may have committed crimes.

Bruce Doucette, a 54-year-old owner of a computer design and repair shop in suburban Denver, told The Oregonian/OregonLive, that he made the trip at the request of Harney County residents. He said he met with the armed occupiers of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge to hear their evidence, which he called "significant," that government officials have committed crimes.

But he declined to say which officials or which crimes they discussed and said a privately appointed "grand jury" of Harney County residents, not he as a self-appointed judge, would decide whether to charge anyone with a crime.

"The grand jury will convene in private and make its decisions in private," Doucette said. "The role of a superior court judge is not very glorified. All we do is write up" what the local citizens decide, he said. .....

Hundreds of people who have used similar sovereign citizen arguments to justify failing to pay federal income taxes, getting drivers licenses or other government requirements have never prevailed in any court.
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HGTomato ?@HGTomato
That fake judge has done stuff like that before. Here's a story by @dpmcghee from Nov.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29086987/operation-patriot-rally-founder-made-promises-raised-concerns … #Oregonstandoff #uniteblue

JJ MacNab ?@jjmacnab
"Judge" Curry is interesting bec he was the sovereign citizen guru at Bundy Ranch who put the LV sheriff, NV governors, and others on trial.

JJ MacNab ?@jjmacnab
"We have God on our side, and we're going to kick the crap out of Lucifer." -- Pete Santilli on the upcoming common law trial.



Margaret Bryant ?@twynklebat
#exitstrategy #yallqaeda #snacktime #snacks #Oregonstandoff


BundysBeard ?@BundysBeard
Breaking: "Rodeo Clowns for Militias" drop support for Bundy Clan #Oregonstandoff #aslongasittakesoregon


Militants Use Government Computers To Create Own Website
by John Sepulvado and Amanda Peacher OPB Jan. 12, 2016 5:39 p.m.

Editor’s note: This story contains offensive language.

Among the militant members who have accessed government computers at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, one is an Islamic State sympathizer and Adolph Hitler acolyte.

While militant leader Ammon Bundy has repeatedly denied government computers were being used by militants, OPB has again confirmed that Department of Interior computers at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge are being accessed, and in this instance, being used to make a website for the occupation.

One of the militants occupying the refuge posted video of himself using the computer. ....


opb.org/news/series An Armed Occupation In Eastern Oregon
The latest news and updates about the armed occupation at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Harney County, Oregon.
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People restoring the federal signage. Bye, bye blue tarp.

L. Coyote

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183. Anti-Obama march organizer fatally shoots right-wing militant buddy in drunken dispute over gun
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:58 AM
Jan 2016

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Anti-Obama march organizer fatally shoots right-wing militant buddy in drunken dispute over gun
13 Jan 2016 at 08:45 ET

Planning for a cross-country march to “restore America” — which is related to the Oregon nature preserve standoff — appears to have hit a snag when one of its organizers shot the other co-founder Monday afternoon during a drunken argument over a gun.

Sheriff’s deputies in Grayson County, Texas, have not released details about the fatal shooting, but social media posts by right-wing “patriots” associated with militants occupying an Oregon nature preserve identified the victim and shooter as the organizers of the Paul Revere 2016 Final March To Restore America. ........


The Oregonian Verified account ?@Oregonian 7 minutes ago
Residents report harassment: What you need to know about the #OregonStandoff. http://bit.ly/1SOnPqA

Oregon standoff: [bWhat you need to know Wednesday morning]

.... As the days progress, questions from frustrated Harney County residents and other observers grow: Why doesn't law enforcement take some action? Why not contain the occupiers? Why not block roads leading to and from the refuge? Why not shut down the power to the refuge or keep the media from giving them a national platform? Reporter Maxine Bernstein explains the strategy. ....

.... Harney County residents told the armed outsiders to go home as they expressed fears about their personal safety. At a community meeting, they also acknowledged deep rifts within the community, brought to the surface by the standoff at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. ....

Comments: .... normagene: "Citizen's grand jury to review evidence against public officials". These people have gone from being scary to being total nitwits. This will end up with them being laughed out of the state. They are an embarrassment to real tough guys the world over.


Les Zaitz @LesZaitz * Thomas Boyd @thomasboyd * Fedor Zarkhin @FedorZarkhin * Hashtag: #OregonStandoff *
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L. Coyote

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185. LISTEN: KUOW - Burns-Area Residents Call For Kindness With One Another
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jan 2016
Burns-Area Residents Call For Kindness With One Another
By Anna King

.... Burns residents packed in hip to hip. Anger, frustration and sadness spilled out from shaky voices. A 15-year-old Burns girl cried she was afraid in school. But two Burns residents just a few seats apart had very different views on what should happen next.

John McLean said he sides with the occupiers. He said on Facebook and around town that’s tough on some of his friendships and “causes a little friction in there.”

Verna Pettyjohn disagreed. “We have children, grandchildren up in here and what is happening is not alright,” she said.

Several residents publicly asked their neighbors to put their guns away when in town. Others called for kindness with each other. ...... LISTEN ...
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Change4good ?@Change4good1 10 minutes ago
Drunk #patriot" shoots another "patriot" over gun heading to #Oregonstandoff Need for gun control
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/anti-obama-march-organizer-fatally-shoots-right-wing-militant-buddy-in-drunken-dispute-over-gun/

bill tng ?@vanguy79
Have an idea. If #Oregonstandoff are staying put, how abt letting homeless people stay in Oregon militia houses 😉

The Daily Cost Of The Bundy Occupation
by Laurel Raymond & Jenny Rowland -- Guest Contributor Jan 12, 2016 5:08 pm

Local and federal government facilities have had to be closed, keeping public employees unable to complete their work. Harney County, which houses the preserve, schools were closed last week, adding teachers to the list of employees on paid leave and preventing students from learning. Police and security has been brought in to protect the townspeople from the armed militiamen — who have threatened law enforcement and other county officials. The occupied reserve, a valuable tourist attraction for the area, is closed to recreators. All of those costs and losses add up.

Cost to the County: $70,000 Per Day


Harney County Judge Steve Grasty told outraged community members that he’d send the Bundys a bill for what they’d cost the county — which he estimates to be “$60,000 to $70,000 a day” for the closed schools and government offices and the drastic ramp-up in security. ....


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L. Coyote

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191. #Bundyland - Two devout Mormon brothers have created a fantasy camp for commandos in Eastern Oregon
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:44 PM
Jan 2016

Great new hashtag #Bundyland reflects the fantasyland nature of the occupantion.

By WW Staff Y JOHN SEPULVADO @JohnLGC

This story was reported in collaboration between WW and Oregon Public Broadcasting.

On the sixth day of the Harney County siege, a mother and two children visited Ammon Bundy. To pray. ...... Her son's white Stetson hat reached as high as the pistol holstered on the belt of the man guarding the door of the seized federal building. ...

.... WW and Oregon Public Broadcasting sent this reporter—who covered the Bundy family for KNPR radio in Las Vegas during their previous standoffs with the federal government in Nevada—to get inside the occupation.

For nearly seven hours last week, we were granted a rare level of access. The militant leaders allowed us past the media staging area to roam, without escorts, through the compound—including in buildings the Bundys had kept off-limits to most other press.

But a spot in the prayer circle with Bundy? No dice. ....
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Annaliese Hettinger ?@A_Hettinger 2 minutes ago
Excellent piece on #OregonStandoff + more by @nijhuism. Indeed, Science is a hostage here. http://www.lastwordonnothing.com/2016/01/12/in-the-oregon-standoff-science-is-a-hostage/ … @TheLWON





L. Coyote

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194. Rancher: 'I didn't know anything' about Bundy entering property, destroying fence
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 01:16 AM
Jan 2016
Rancher: 'I didn't know anything' about Bundy entering property, destroying fence
By Luke Hammill | The Oregonian/OregonLive January 13, 2016 at 8:35 PM

BURNS — Tim Puckett, the rancher whose cattle graze private rangeland adjoining the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, said he didn't give Ammon Bundy and his band of armed militants permission to enter the ranch Monday afternoon and destroy a publicly owned fence.

"I am very upset," Puckett told The Oregonian/OregonLive.

His ranch hands have already repaired the fence.

"They're not coming onto my place no more," he said of the militants. "If they do, I'm gonna have to do something about it. I don't want them going across my ground."

Puckett said he has never spoken to Bundy ............
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The Daily Bucket--Obnoxious Invasive Species in The Malheur Wildlife Refuge Form an Ungodly Alliance



L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
195. #Oregonstandoff - 213 new results last few hours - Burns Fire Chief/Comm. of Safety Member Resigns
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 02:32 AM
Jan 2016

This is a new development in Burns, where this event was going on for weeks before the refuge takeover, and those participants in the conspiracy to form the militia are now facing their roles in the run up to the takeover within their own community. The honorable county Judge Steve Grasty told off the fire chief in no uncertain terms for his role in forming the Harney County Committee of Safety overseeing the militia, and the fire chief told #Bundyland this evening that he took a piece of paper, wrote the date on it and "I resign" and signed it. And off he went, to join the circus.

Harney County fire chief resigns, sides with armed protesters
By Hillary Lake, KATU News and KATU.com Staff Wednesday, January 13th 2016

The Harney County fire chief resigned Wednesday because he says he no longer trusts the local government.

Chris Briels stood next Ammon Bundy, the leader of an armed group that has taken over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Burns, and announced he had turned in his resignation to county Judge Steve Grasty.

.... Briels is a member of the Community Committee for Public Safety, which is a local group that's expressed interest in taking over for the Bundy protesters to work to reclaim local rancher's land rights when and if they leave. .....


So, when did the Harney County Committee for Safety become the "Community Committee for Public Safety" as KATU calls it?

And the paranoids howl false flag. There is no way a bunch of paranoid idiots can ever form a militia or a successful political force, just ask John Birch. LOL [center]

Team Leader ?@AlabamaRangers 18 minutes ago
#FalseFlag Alert: Raw video.


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AJ+ Verified account @ajplus
“It was never their land to begin with.”
Here's one indigenous person's view of the armed occupation in Oregon: VIDEO on Twitter
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I'm Midori..or Ginny ?@justaskkarend 16 minutes ago
Members of armed group occupying refuge meet with Grant County sheriff in John Day
http://www.bluemountaineagle.com/Local_News/20160113/members-of-armed-group-occupying-refuge-meet-with-grant-county-sheriff-in-john-day#.VpczepiaGzg.twitter … #Oregonstandoff





L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
196. Harney County won't host community meeting with Bundy as headliner - #BundyCult
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 12:03 PM
Jan 2016

[center]As predicted immediately after the #BundyCult announced their idea:

Oregon standoff: Harney County won't host community meeting with Bundy as headliner
By Elliot Njus | The Oregonian/OregonLive January 13, 2016

Harney County has told an Ammon Bundy-affiliated group of locals that it can't hold a planned community meeting at the county-owned fairgrounds.

The location for the meeting has become a wedge between the Harney County Committee of Safety and the county government, once loosely allied in their desire for Bundy to leave town.

The self-appointed committee planned to host Bundy and Montana militia leader Ryan Payne on Friday to outline the militants' exit plan. They've said the 7 p.m. meeting will go on, with or without a meeting space furnished by the county or another community group.

"We have a longstanding practice of allowing community groups to use county facilities," said Harney County commissioner Steven Grasty. "But we unfortunately now find ourselves in a place where the county must deny those facilities to any group that is supportive of, associated with, or on the behalf of the militants at the refuge." ............

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Shane Roth ?@apexnerd
@JohnLGC the Denver "Judge" is skeptical that the Earth is round http://bit.ly/1RmdeDV #Oregonstandoff

Another story hit the wire, first from the #BundyCultMedia, alleging the FBI was posing as the terrorists (they said provocateurs). The story is that two men appearing to be outsiders in Burns, two militia-type males, were able to simply enter the Armory. Well, the fire chief spotted them leaving, and he is a leader of the local Bundy militia group and did not recognizethem as fellow members. So the story ignited a firestorm of #BundyBunch twitter rage at the FBI. Well, what the FBI had determined was that if you look like a militia dude, you can walk right into the Burns Armory! Of course, that didn't alarm the #BundyCult one iota. To which mockery quickly followed.[center]

Kristin Momoa ?@SpecialK_808
FBI Agents are SUPPOSED TO BE UNDERCOVER you dumb fucks! Don't you assholes watch TV?? 😖 #Oregonstandoff #OregonUnderAttack #bundymilitia
Ppl calling Undercover FBI "Provocateurs"? They're undercover FBI. That's what the FBI does. DUH! #OregonUnderAttack #Oregonstandoff #GTFO

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rebels mom @anonhumanperson
How to Plan a Revolution in 8 Easy Steps #Oregonstandoff #OregonUnderAttack @Ammon_Bundy


Face it, Oregon building takeover is terrorism, Juliette Kayyem, CNN National Security Analyst

Former Forest Supervisor: Why I Resigned Over a Public Land Dispute
Gloria Flora Jan. 13, 2016

Gloria Flora is the Executive Director of Sustainable Obtainable Solutions, an organization ensuring the sustainability of public lands.

Bringing the hammer down on the Bundys won't fix the much bigger problems our lands face

Once again, a provocative armed display of dissatisfaction with a federal land management agency is unfolding—this time, at a remote wildlife refuge in southern Oregon. It’s been happening since 1848, when Mexico ceded the southwest quadrant of the United States after losing the Mexican-American War. Early settlers were primarily Mormons and Confederate Civil War refugees, both fiercely anti-federal government. Those attitudes haven’t changed much.

In the late 1990’s, when I served as Forest Supervisor of the Humboldt-Toiyabe National Forest in Nevada and eastern California, the simmering anti-federal government animosities boiled over dangerously multiple times but failed to garner much notice. Now, we’re seeing a similar boil-over in Oregon. The Nevada-based protestors, despite confusion over history and the exact purpose of their one-sided stand-off, are demanding privatization, to give the land back to “the people.” It sounds compelling, but it’s invented history.

The federal government created the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, the focus of this standoff, by usurping the Native American Pauite Nation’s homeland, then, years later, aggregating their abandoned reservation and a used-up cattle ranch bought at a premium during the Depression.

.......... Our finite public resources are under siege by natural, economic and global forces bigger than Bundy’s boys. That demands the best stewardship we can muster—collectively.
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JeloRocSki ?@JeloRoc
Who would've thought that privileged people wouldn't know how to properly protest? #bundymilitia

JTB ?@HighDesert99 1h1 hour ago
#AmmonBundy #bundymilitia #OregonMilita Is American's laughingstock. Will you NOW stop terrorizing the People of Harney? #OregonUnderAttack

Donna J ?@JeedBe
Back to 1989-Controversial BLM Grazing Program:RANCHERS Turn a Profit by Subletting US Land
http://ln.is/articles.latimes.com/qNjrM … #BundyMilitia #Hammonds

Leila @oranaise
Vocabulary lesson of the day: #militia: #OregonUnderAttack




L. Coyote

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197. Bundy calls Judge Grasy "a dictator" for not allowing militia to meet at county-owned fairgrounds
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jan 2016

Wanda Moore ?@WandaKTVZ 25 minutes ago
Bundy calls Harney CO judge Grasy "a dictator" for not allowing #bundymilitia to hold community meeting at county-owned fairgrounds

utliberal ?@utliberal
@AlwaysThinkHow @ToConservatives There isn't a jail big enough for all the people who hold the Bundy militia in contempt.#OregonUnderAttack

Monica ♡ ?@Frodosynthesiss
Pray for the Oregonians. #Oregonstandoff #OregonUnderAttack



That Night I Spent with Ammon Bundy’s Armed Militia
Inside a strange, sad media circus.
by Marnie Hanel

It was just past midnight when I noticed the five magazines of ammunition. Near a window, there was a rifle and a scope. Beside me were two members of Ammon Bundy’s armed militia—the one that had recently made national news for taking over a federal wildlife sanctuary and a smattering of buildings contained therein. All around us was complete and utter blackness. We were standing atop a watchtower, in 18-degree weather, eight rickety stories above the snow, in the middle of a remote bird sanctuary in Eastern Oregon, 30 miles from the nearest town, which was 130 miles from the next nearest town.

Thus far, it had been a pretty strange night. After dusk, I had arrived at the front gate of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, outside Burns, Oregon. I am admittedly new to militia life, but I was surprised by what I encountered. A number of men were huddled around a campfire, gossiping and passing the time. Two hailed from Idaho and a third, an old-timer in a cowboy hat roughly the width of my shoulders, had driven in from Hermiston, Oregon, with his second-favorite horse trailer. (“Only take shit we can lose,” his wife insisted.) They were talking about the Three Percenters, a rival militia in Idaho. (“They never returned my phone calls,” said one man. “Sounds like my wife,” responded the other.) I stood by Ryan Payne, 32, the “response coordinator” of the militia. ........


Thank you, Oregon militiamen: The longer you stay, the more ridiculous you and the conservative movement look
The Oregon militia is a gift to liberals, because every day they stay, the more absurd and embarrassing they become
Amanda Marcotte Thursday, Jan 14, 2016 05:00 AM PST
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Pat Bagley @Patbagley
...and I wasn't even able to get to the GOP presidential candidates.
#AmmonBundy #Religion





Antigovernment Extremists in Oregon Now Plan Their Own Justice System
Bill Morlin January 13, 2016

Militia and antigovernment extremists illegally occupying a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon are now pledging to form a “citizen’s grand jury” to indict and bring criminal charges against public officials and judges the occupiers accuse of committing crimes and violating the Constitution.

With such “indictments,” the extremists’ doctrine would justify their attempts to make arrests, get judgments or file liens against the targeted public officials. ......

Unlike the Oregon standoff where there is little or no law enforcement presence, the FBI rotated its regional SWAT teams into Jordan, Mont., controlling the perimeter and not allowing anyone in or out. Without a shot fired, the Freeman siege ended after 81 days – the longest FBI standoff in U.S. history. Those involved were all subsequently convicted and sentenced to lengthy prison terms. ...........
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R.E.A.L Human Rights ?@realhumanrights 6 hours ago
#OregonUnderAttack #SovereignCitizen #BundyTerrorists call for "common law grand jury" to threaten Judge http://cnn.it/230tMVM

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
198. Backer Of Bundy Militia Arrested After Building Bombs And Threatening Police
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jan 2016
Backer Of Bundy Militia Arrested After Building Bombs And Threatening Police
January 14th, 2016 Andrew Bradford

A man in California who calls himself a supporter of and sympathizer with the militia members who have taken over an Oregon wildlife preserve was arrested Saturday and charged with building bombs and making threats against law enforcement officials.

Kern County deputies received a tip that Tood Sloan had been making online threats against local and federal law enforcement officers. Upon serving a search warrant at Sloan’s house, police found improvised and commercial explosives and “booby traps” throughout the residence.

Sloan was immediately arrested and charged with three counts of possession of a destructive device or explosive near a public place, three counts of making a destructive device without a permit, three counts of possessing a destructive device, and one count of being in possession of a firearm while on probation. He is being held on $2 million bond.

Sloan first came to the attention of law enforcement when he left bizarre comments on the website for the Daily Independent newspaper, one of which read:

I don’t pay tax revalation (sic).


On Facebook, Sloan also made rambling postings such as this:

Bundy Ranch? We the People Lost Jorden Hot Spring. Evil Goverment. ....

.... GOD Made Many Clues In the Bible,” he posted shortly before his arrest. “Find What God Left For You. Treasure Hunting The Bible. Gold Every Where. .....


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Shane Roth ?@apexnerd 5 minutes ago
A lack of police brutality is a good thing #Oregonstandoff

Ann ?@Ann7837 20 minutes ago
Inside the Bundy Gang refuge, a photo diary
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/14/1469762/-Inside-the-Refuge-with-the-Occupiers-A-Photo-Dairy
#uniteblue #OregonUnderAttack #OregonStandoff

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
199. Months before Malheur occupation, another Oregon land dispute galvanized militants
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jan 2016
Months before Malheur occupation, another Oregon land dispute galvanized militants
By Rob Davis | The Oregonian/OregonLive January 13, 2016

What's unfolding in Harney County isn't Oregon's first go-round with camouflaged, heavily armed militants challenging the federal government.

Another event just nine months ago drew far less attention. But those who watched it closely say it emboldened and further galvanized the militant movement a year after the 2014 Cliven Bundy ranch standoff in Nevada.

Oregon's first serious encounter happened last April. It played out in rural Josephine County in southwestern Oregon, in a mountainous stretch of timber country along the Rogue River.

Many of the same players have shown up at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. Two are among the compound's occupiers.

The Sugar Pine Mine dispute started when two gold miners, Rick Barclay and George Backes, received a non-compliance letter from the Bureau of Land Management that disputed their mining rights. ............
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BundysBeard ?@BundysBeard
Pete Santilli is THE best clown show online #Oregonstandoff #bundymilitia #fashionpolice #doofus

Oregon standoff Day 14: What you need to know Friday
By The Oregonian/OregonLive January 15, 2016 at 5:01 AM

As we enter Day 14 of the standoff at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, here are the latest developments:

● The militants say they will meet with the community on Friday and announce a departure plan. Whether that will be a restatement of their demands or something new remains to be seen.

● As the armed occupation of a Harney County wildlife refuge drags into its 13th day, protesters are sending mixed signals about their plans. .........
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Chris Zinda ?@chris_zinda
@pqpolitics Am working on a piece regarding influence of W. Cleon Skousen and family to UTAH political class & role #Oregonstandoff . #utpol

Marlys Appleton ?@marlysal 53 minutes ago
Constitutional Smoke & Mirrors: #Illegal #Occupation of #Malheur #Wildlife Refuge #governance #OregonStandoff -
http://nativenewsonline.net/currents/23577/

Statesman Journal Verified account @Salem_Statesman
4,000 artifacts stored at Oregon refuge held by armed group http://stjr.nl/1Qb1geQ

Cornelia ?@PaladinCornelia 5 minutes ago
PRETEND ranchers occupying Malheur now have a PRETEND judge to preside over a PRETEND court.





L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
200. BundyBunch bunch built a road at the refuge yesterday
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 02:18 PM
Jan 2016
BundyBunch bunch built a road at the refuge yesterday
By cany Friday Jan 15, 2016

Heartbreaking.



Apparently, the road was built between the kitchen and some other buildings farther away. Not only is this a wildlife refuge, those familiar with the property have indicated there are sensitive archaeological sites, including both Native American burial AND reburial sites, on the lands.

I do, however, remain of the opinion that we must wait these folks out. I do not agree that food and other supplies, mail etc. should enter. But I believe strongly that a heavy hand will cause all kinds of other problems. .........


Notice how Fox is spinning the #OregonStandoff. Any doubts now about how well organized "the militia" (translation: the Republicans) is?[center]

Fox News ?@FoxNews 2 hours ago
Growing number of police chiefs, sheriffs join call to arms: http://fxn.ws/1ZAKeNp by @CDerespina


The Oregon State Sheriffs' Association (OSSA) continues to stand with Harney County Sheriff David Ward
Oregon State Sheriffs' Assoc. - 01/14/16 9:45 AM

Many OSSA member agencies -- along with many city police departments and the Oregon State Police -- have sent personnel to help Sheriff Ward patrol the community and maintain public safety during this critical time.

We continue to be asked when the standoff at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge will end, and which agency will make that decision. We'd like to clarify the jurisdictional situation.

The FBI is in charge of making and implementing plans to end the siege. The FBI has jurisdiction over the armed takeover of the federal buildings in the refuge, as well as any crimes committed therein. Questions about the standoff should addressed by the FBI, which continues to work diligently towards a peaceful solution.

Meanwhile, Sheriff Ward and other local law enforcement agencies are directly addressing militia activities outside the wildlife refuge -- including the well-chronicled harassment and intimidation of residents, federal employees and law enforcement by militia members and associates.

OSSA stands proud in saying that Sheriff Ward has done a commendable job fulfilling his oath as Sheriff and defending his community. Sheriff Ward has made every effort to peacefully defuse the situation and return normalcy to the residents he serves. He has worked tirelessly with his fellow law enforcement partners to develop strategies to protect and serve Harney County while the FBI continues its investigation.

OSSA and its law enforcement partners will continue to offer support to Sheriff Ward and his team until this situation is resolved. We couldn't be prouder of the work he has done to serve Harney County and Oregon.

Sheriff Brian Wolfe
Malheur County Sheriff, OSSA President

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
202. Oregon State Police arrest Kenneth Medenbach = stolen Malheur National Wildlife Refuge vehicles.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:35 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:21 AM - Edit history (1)

Harney County - Individual arrested in connection with stolen refuge vehicles - 01/15/16
An individual is in custody in connection with stolen Malheur National Wildlife Refuge vehicles.

Shortly after noon on Friday, January 15, 2016, Oregon State Police arrested Kenneth Medenbach, 62, of Crescent, Oregon, at the Safeway in Burns, Oregon. He was arrested on probable cause for unauthorized use of a motor vehicle.

Law enforcement officers recovered two vehicles stolen from the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) had previously reported the vehicles stolen to the Harney County Sheriff's Office.

OSP troopers and deputies from several county Sheriff's offices responded to the scene.
"The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is grateful for the quick actions from law enforcement," said USFWS spokesperson Megan Nagel. "We will continue to work with law enforcement to recover vehicles bought and paid for by the American people to care for their national wildlife refuge."

Twitter: @HarneyCoSheriff Facebook: HarneyCoSheriff
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L. Coyote

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203. Bend rally for public lands/#malheur swells to over 200, takes to street. #RefugeRally
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:50 PM
Jan 2016
[center]Kieran Suckling ?@KieranSuckling 5 hours ago
Bend rally for public lands/#malheur swells to over 200, takes to street. #RefugeRally #OregonUnderAttack


Great Old Broads/Grannies Against Bullies #RefugeRally sing-along. What else is there to say?


Great old Broads for Wilderness at #refugerally: "Go home bullies. Public lands belong to everyone."

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[center]The Oregonian Verified account ?@Oregonian 45 minutes ago
Birders protest in Bend against refuge takeover #OregonStandoff http://bit.ly/1lfPP8N


By Laura Gunderson | The Oregonian/OregonLive January 15, 2016

Holding signs that read "Birders against bullies," protesters took to the street in Bend, a two-hour drive from where a group of occupiers have held the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge for two weeks.

Refuge supporters also have taken to Twitter -- #RefugeRally and #SupportMalheur -- and Facebook, where they are calling on more arrests to be made and posting pictures they have taken over the years at the refuge.

One birder, Cody Martz, showed up at the refuge Friday to speak to reporters and offer a counterpoint to the armed occupants ....

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
205. BREAKING : Oregon Protesters find HIDDEN "Goverment" Surveillance Cameras
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 03:20 PM
Jan 2016

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BREAKING : Oregon Protesters find HIDDEN "Goverment" Surveillance Cameras[center]

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cincy-kid @cincykids
Hate to tell #bundymilitia but cameras they ripped out belong to Pacific Energy. Used to remotely monitor transformer stations![center]

Ethan Walker ?@HVAC_Plumbing_ 6 minutes ago
KATUNews: Armed occupiers unplug suspected surveillance cameras #oregonstandoff #LiveOnK2 http://k2ne.ws/1OVJTOm

Trump campaign member praises Oregon wildlife refuge occupation

Utah lawmaker got a hefty pay raise for waging lands fight, tax record shows

JJ MacNab @jjmacnab
These clowns are willing to die for a cause. These buffoons are willing to kill for it. Some are willing to use their own as human shields.

Annyah L Hasler ?@anyalhas
First Arrest Made In #OregonStandoff http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/uncucumbered/first_arrest_made_in_oregon_standoff

Laura Muth ?@LauraMuth1 32 minutes ago
interesting read to consider in light of #Oregonstandoff "Growing Up With White Paranoia: Persecution vs. Privilege" http://www.psmag.com/politics-and-law/white-paranoia-persecution-and-privilege

BlueGoose ?@BlueGoose2016
#Oregonstandoff Finicum is part of the Colorado City, Az FLDS polygamist bunch which explains a lot!

The Bulletin ?@thebulletin 2 hours ago
Protesters call for end to Malheur occupation. #inBend #Oregonstandoff http://j.mp/205IBEa




EarthShare Oregon ?@EarthShareOR 43 minutes ago
Join Tuesday's statewide #RefugeRally for #Malheur w/ @PortlandAudubon & more http://bit.ly/1U0Gy0D

Logical Politics @Demipolitics
Idiot. #OregonUnderAttack #YallQaeda



L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
206. Burns Paiutes seek federal prosecution if artifacts disturbed + Counter Protest Ongoing Now
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 04:01 PM
Jan 2016
Burns Paiute Tribe seeks federal prosecution if artifacts disturbed
Tribal council designates refuge as 'traditional cultural property'
January 15, 2016 Pat Dooris/KGW.COM

The Burns Paiute Tribe on Friday asked the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to protect its important cultural resources at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, and to prosecute occupiers for any damage or destruction they cause.

In a letter to U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Regional Director Robyn Thorson, Tribal Chairperson Charlotte Rodrique asked for greater protection for cultural resources at the refuge, specifically asking for an inventory of archeological resources at the refuge headquarters, and for criminal prosecution for violators of the Archeological Resources Protection Act.

Rodrique expressed grave concern over news reports that armed militia have access to important cultural resources at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

“Armed protestors don’t belong here,” Rodrique said in a news release. “They continue to desecrate one of our most important sacred sites,” she continued. "They should be held accountable.”.........
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[center]Sam Levin @SamTLevin
Anti-occupation environmentalists here at #MalheurWildlifeRefuge today. #Oregonstandoff


Shane Roth ?@apexnerd 4 minutes ago
Now private citizens with opposing viewpoints are the enemy, apparently #Oregonstandoff

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Conrad Wilson Verified account ?@conradjwilson 15 minutes ago
Kierán Suckling, Executive Director, of the Center for Biological Diversity being shouted down #Oregonstandoff


Shane Roth ?@apexnerd
Ad hominem attacks r the 1st club out of Santilli's bag against dissent #Oregonstandoff

Shane Roth@apexnerd
Santilli's 1st amendment: I have the right to drown you out and interrupt you if you hurt my feelings #Oregonstandoff

John Sepulvado - news @opb ?@JohnLGC 12 minutes ago
watching @PTSantilli yell in a bullhorn at peaceful counter protesters, calling them "little bitches" & saying he's "sick of their shit"
1/3 at this point it seems very clear to me that @PTSantilli is the spokesperson for the #bundymilitia
2/3 watching @conradjwilson doing a great job staying pro as @PTSantilli uses a bullhorn to drown out counter-protestors #bundymilita
watching @PTSantilli say they don't protest with intimidation after he screamed obscenities at a peaceful protestor thru a bullhorn.
in a real combat sitch anyone wearing camo with a reflective "PRESS" on the back would be shot. can't comprehend.

#OregonStandoff

Kristin Momoa ?@SpecialK_808 2 minutes ago
Pete Santilli is fucking degenerate #Oregonstandoff #OregonUnderAttack #bundymilita #burnsoregon

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ChristineKaratnytsky ?@ckaratnytsky 7 minutes ago
Tweeting #Malheur #oregonstandoff press conference news : @transform6789

Dan Barton ?@oreothlypis Jan 12 9 minutes ago Retweeted John Sepulvado
At the #oregonstandoff, things seem to have escalated a bit
I just published “What Harney County and the Malheur occupation mean (to me)”
https://medium.com/@croft.barton/what-harney-county-and-the-malheur-occupation-mean-to-me-67c09ceaa456#.6ym2ev2w6
#supportmalheur

Jamie York ?@mediagonebad 10 minutes ago
Once #Oregonstandoff is over, the @Ammon_Bundy terrorists will never get out of prison.

Abiyomi Kofi ?@TheAngryindian 1 minute ago
#BundyMilitia Bodyguard #FluffyUnicorn Arrested in #Arizona
http://ow.ly/X9Od3 #OregonUnderAttack #YallQueda #WhiteTerrorist

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
207. Refuge occupiers clash with environmentalists and ask FBI to stop 'psychological warfare'
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:25 PM
Jan 2016
Refuge occupiers clash with environmentalists = KOIN PDX
The armed group asked the FBI to stop 'psychological warfare'

KOIN 6 News Staff Published: January 16, 2016

A shouting match erupted as members of the Center for Biological Diversity, a nonprofit environmental group, tried to speak at a news briefing.

The center’s executive director Kierán Suckling tried to speak but the activists screamed and booed him.

“We’re here to speak up for public land, which belongs to the public,” Suckling said over the yelling. “These people are trying to take the land away.” ........

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Jennifer Dowling ?@JenDowlingKoin6
Members of occupying group yell at members of the Center for Biological Diversity. Won't let them speak #koin6news


Sam Levin @SamTLevin
Anti-occupation environmentalists here at #MalheurWildlifeRefuge today. #Oregonstandoff


Alexis Peterka @LexInterior
Need a reason to become a member of @OPB?
Look at the amazing work @JohnLGC, @amandapeacher, and @ameliaOPB have done on #Oregonstandoff

Kelly House Verified account @Kelly_M_House I cover the environment for @Oregonian. By night, I'm a hiker, pseudo-foodie, and kitchen spoon Motown musician.
Today at the refuge: Obscenities shouted at conservationists who came to protest the #Oregonstandoff


Back in Burns along with @markwgraves continuing @Oregonian coverage on the Malheur #Oregonstandoff. The latest:
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/oregon_standoff_occupiers_remo.html#incart_maj-story-1

More from today @ #Oregonstandoff, where enviros came to protest the occupiers, who accused feds of taking 'hostages'
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/oregon_standoff_occupiers_remo.html#comments

Debbie McVegan ?@mcvegan_debbie
http://kval.com/news/local/armed-occupiers-unplug-suspected-surveillance-cameras
these people don't have any more rights than any other person
#Oregonstandoff





Jose ?@JoseNotJuan
Refuge Occupiers Say Arrested Group Member 'Made Dumb Choices'
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/refuge-occupiers-say-arrested-group-member-made-dumb-choices/#.VpsB1CD34l8.twitter
via @OPBnews #BundyMilitia #OregonStandoff

Harney County ?@HarneyCountyGov
Monday holiday means Harney County weekly community meeting will be held on Tuesday, January 19, 7 p.m. at Burns High School.



L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
208. Bundy, "Native Americans had the claim to the land .. but the current culture is the most important"
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jan 2016
HOW DOES BUNDY WANT THE ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES HANDLED?

Bundy said people interested in archeology are welcome to explore the refuge, but that cattle ranchers and loggers should have priority when it comes to land use.

"Before white man came, so to speak, there was nothing to keep cattle from tromping on those things," Bundy said.

Though some countries had domesticated cattle 10,000 years ago, the animals came to the United States with European settlers.

"We also recognize that the Native Americans had the claim to the land, but they lost that claim," Bundy said. "There are things to learn from cultures of the past, but the current culture is the most important."
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[center]Erasmus B. Dragon ?@flyaway47 #OregonStandoff
LaVoy Finicum made a living by keeping foster children: "They were my main source of income." What??
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/militant-says-foster-children-were-pulled-from-his-home-lavoy-finicum-burns-oregon/ …[/center]

"... over the past decade, more than 50 boys came through their ranch near Chino Valley, Arizona. The boys often landed there from mental hospitals, drug rehabs and group homes for emotionally distressed youth. ... a 2010 tax filing, Catholic Charities paid the family $115,343 to foster children in 2009 .....


JJ MacNab @jjmacnab
Remember this guy from Bundy Ranch? He's now in Burns.

Then, a few days ago, Ammon Bundy tells Russia Today that his efforts are funded by some deep pockets.

JJ MacNab ?@jjmacnab 2 hours ago
Who made the sign? Who paid for it? On what date was the order placed (before or after Jan 2nd?)


Chris Christianson ?@itwaschris 13 minutes ago
Assclown Santili want to ca$h in on #OregonStandoff bc he's being ignored
http://bit.ly/1SWyuj0 #YallQaeda #VanillaISIS #OregonUnderAttack

Center for Bio Div @CenterForBioDiv
Oregon standoff: Occupiers remove cameras, clash with conservationists http://s.oregonlive.com/WJjjX0K #OregonUnderattack

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
209. Guest Opinion: Rep. Greg Walden (R-OR) works against our public lands
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:56 AM
Jan 2016
Guest Opinion: Walden works against our public lands
By Dave Strahan Jan. 17, 2016 at Medford, Oregon

I could not be more disappointed in Congressman Greg Walden’s response to the armed takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge by anti-government militants. He states that he “understands their passion,” of taking over public buildings, tearing down wildlife fences and threatening public employees. ..... Walden is missing the point here.

Our shared heritage of public land belongs to all Americans, including many of his constituents throughout rural Oregon who depend upon those lands for hunting, fishing and camping, as well as our livelihoods. .....

Rather than standing up for Oregonians and law enforcement officers, Walden has renewed his push against public lands and resources and enacted the very goals espoused by those who have taken over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. While Congressman Walden has been outspoken about his anger concerning public lands management, he has been curiously silent about the estimated $15 million that visitors to the Malheur Wildlife Refuge provide to local economies annually. ..........

Walden is sponsoring legislation that would remove over a million acres of forests in Western Oregon from public management and place them in a timber trust to be logged for the benefit of timber corporations. Also, Walden released draft legislation to give over a quarter million acres of national forests in Southern Oregon and northern California to political allies. Handing over public lands is not stewardship, it is simply a form of political patronage. .........
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Chris Zinda ?@chris_zinda
Skousen is important to the #koch, ALC, LDS ideology & #OregonUnderAttack.
Note @FranklinCenter shill's tweet.
https://twitter.com/Reagan_Girl/status/688752804366647296

Well-read Naturalist @WRNBookReview
Why are we having to beg the @FBI, @Interior, @OregonGovBrown, & all the rest to #takebackmalheur ?
Does not the law deserve to be enforced?

LaVoy Finicum: “It needs to be very clear that these buildings will never, ever return to the federal government.”

The Oregonian ?@Oregonian
California man believed part of #OregonStandoff crashes van on icy road. http://bit.ly/1V09ZzS


OPB: [link: http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/militant-van-cited-driving-without-license/|Militant Cited For Driving Without License After Van Overturns]

Power for the Loons: A small electric co-op considers what to do with the Loons at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge
https://desertbeacon.wordpress.com/2016/01/11/power-for-the-loons-a-small-electric-co-op-considers-what-to-do-with-the-loons-at-the-malheur-wildlife-refuge/

Wilderness Society ?@Wilderness
"It makes me very sad, sick and disgusted" -Birders on #OregonStandoff in beloved refuge http://bit.ly/1RTfXU3

Thomas ?@tampabaybucsfan
Oregon brothers troll Bundy and crew with fundraiser for gun control group and other occupier foes http://bit.ly/1NeFlwV #OregonStandoff

Power for the Loons: A small electric co-op considers what to do with the Loons at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge

Jarret Ruminski ?@TheDevilHistory
Why the Bundy Militia's Anti-Government Ideology is Ahistorical Bullshit | That Devil History
http://thatdevilhistory.com/index.php/2016/01/16/the-ahistorical-anti-government-ideology-of-the-bundy-militia/

Birders: Why we love Malheur National Wildlife Refuge - PHOTO GALLERY


The Oregonian ?@Oregonian
Committee of Safety agrees with goals, but felt betrayed by #OregonStandoff. http://bit.ly/1ZGU4gz


ConserveNM ?@ConserveNM
#Oregonstandoff is now "amalgamation of disparate strands of extremist movement." Time to #ArrestBundy
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/us/standoff-in-oregon-attracts-supporters-bearing-disparate-grievances.html?_r=0 … #KeepItPublic

Talking Points Memo ?@TPM 41 minutes ago
County where #OregonStandoff rages is most government-dependent in the state http://bit.ly/1KmwR7h


Wulalowe @Wulalowe
Armed #OregonOccupiers Unashamedly Steal, Destroy Federal Property
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/17/armed_oregon_occupiers_steal_destroy_federal_property_on_malheur_national.html

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
210. #Oregonstandoff #BundyBunch plan meet w/ community tonight @ private Crystal Crane Hot Springs
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:51 PM
Jan 2016

[center]Oregonian: RT Kelly_M_House:
#Oregonstandoff folks will [link:https://twitter.com/Kelly_M_House|meet w/ community tonight @ private Crystal Crane Hot Springs
after county denied access to public facilities.

Matt Wuerker @wuerker
Oregon Militia-This land is MY, this land is MY land. New toon @politico
http://politi.co/1Rc9kxi #Oregonstandoff


Secret t ?@Secret____t Jan 17
@TheOnion In related news, Oregon lawbreakers feign unawareness of widely known "technicality" that "ignorance of the law is no excuse."

How Politicians Are Using Taxpayer Money To Fund Their Campaign To Sell Off America’s Public Lands
by Matt Lee-Ashley - Guest Contributor Jun 18, 2014

tefanie ?@jbelcap
I'm curating a list of users contributing to the pool of knowledge on the #Oregonstandoff You can follow as well:
https://twitter.com/jbelcap/lists/malheur-madness

ballerinaX @ballerinaX
Note Ut Rep Ivory No longer runs http://www.americanlandscouncil.org
New job at http://www.federalisminaction.com/#sthash.rZtisBZf.dpbs … running 'Free The Lands Project’ #bundymilitia



Thomas Reich ?@gollum1419_g
How Reagan convinced white America that the government was out to get them
… via @Salon #YallQaeda #SaintReagan

Jason Wilson ?@jason_a_w
Fascinating post on the implications of Harney Electric simply "shutting the power off" at the wildlife refuge

STOP #YallQaeda ?@YallQaedaOR
Why does Media ignore @FedEx delivering supplies to ongoing criminal operation?
What other biz are providing aid to Seditious Conspiracy?

MintPress News ?@MintPressNews Jan 10
Is The Oregon Occupation Being Stage-Managed? http://bit.ly/1VUryCG

STOP #YallQaeda ?@YallQaedaOR
Looks like #TarpMan was getting paid over $105k per year to use foster kids as slave labor to run his ranch

KGW News @KGWNews
Rallies in #Portland, #Eugene, #Bend, #LaGrande will protest #Oregonstandoff Tuesday
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/eastern-oregon/armed-occupation-in-eastern-oregon/11955767

labspokane ?@labspokane
As we already knew, the #bundymilitia claims about the Constitution are complete cow pucky.

Squee! ?@saranimals
U know ignorance exists, but 2 see it go full desperate & mental is stunning. #Oregonstandoff #bundymilitia

Brent Weisberg ?@BrentKOIN
Anti-militia org. started by son of federal judge who re-sentenced Hammonds … #KOIN6News #HarneyCounty #Oregonstandoff

other95 ?@other95
MT #Oregonstandoff "@msbellows: A reminder of what Ammon Bundy promised when they first occupied the refuge:


Just Laugh ?@justlaughDOTcom
Just Laugh's Guide to Squatting on Federal Property #OregonStandoff #YallQaeda

BlueGoose ?@BlueGoose2016
#OregonStandoff prize quote today: Kieran Sucking to P.Stantilli "where did you buy your version of the Constitution? Walmart? "

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
211. "We're 2hrs. in to the community mtg w/domestic terrorists at the Oregon wildlife Refuge."
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 01:05 AM
Jan 2016

Last edited Tue Jan 19, 2016, 08:24 AM - Edit history (1)

[center]Twitter was the only window into the meeting tonight.
Biggest news, almost no one showed up, but RTepublican Chair is there.

Conrad Wilson ?@conradjwilson
About 30 people at the meeting in Crane
Ammon Bundy starts community meeting with video about standoff in Nevada involving his dad.
Ryan Bundy says by signing a grazing contract with the BLM, that gives fed government control over you. Says you/we already own the land.
Payne: "If you want to be free you have to be willing to give it all up."

always vote ?@always_vote
@conradjwilson I see Tim Smith from Committee of Safety, also co-chair of Burns Republican Party is there. #Oregonstandoff @k_m_allan

carolealana ?@carolealana
republican pols there at #bundymilitia propaganda mtg; real big surprise that

Finicum: "When you stand, the angels of heaven will stand with you."

Kieran Suckling ?@KieranSuckling
Ammon Bundy: "We recognize that the Native Americans had the claim to the land, but they lost that claim" #Oregonstandoff @OREUnderAttack

GW Atcher ?@gergwatch
@conradjwilson Be a reporter, ask them how they intend to reimburse the elec coop for damaging the cameras. #Oregonstandoff

SomeForcePullsYou ?@freefall_mc
I can't wait to see who's left in the end holding the #OregonStandOff full bag of charges.

Kieran Suckling ?@KieranSuckling
Ammonia Bundy now: "natural law" is only law.
Ammon Bundy now: Supreme Court has no legal jurisdiction over interpretation of Constitution.


Kieran Suckling ?@KieranSuckling
Ammon Bundy: "There are things to learn from cultures of the past, but the current culture is the most important." @OREUnderAttack
Ammon Bundy: "We recognize that the Native Americans had the claim to the land, but they lost that claim" #Oregonstandoff @OREUnderAttack

Conrad Wilson ?@conradjwilson
Scott Franklin, 4th generation Harney Co rancher, says the Bundy's are asking too much, asking them to give up everything. #Oregonstandoff
Bundy says they're adjudicating land rights at the Refuge. Says they're looking to return them to users. And they're "here to defend you."
Ammon Bundy says his role here in Harney Co is a "one time offer."

David W Shaw @David_W_Shaw
A one time offer that won't go away. #Oregonstandoff #YallQaeda

Maria Morrissey ?@mamaria33 .@conradjwilson "We're 2hrs. in to the community mtg w/domestic terrorists at the Oregon wildlife Refuge."
#Oregonstandoff. #FixedThatForYou

Conrad Wilson ?@conradjwilson
Ryan Bundy closes meeting with a prayer. #Oregonstandoff


Amanda Peacher ?@amandapeacher
This man is a refuge caretaker. He's desperate to get in & care for birds who rely on his feeding program. [center]


Dawn Gulick ?@DawnGulick
@yarnsalad There is no cake and flowers involved. OTOH I'm amazed that Caribou Barbie hasn't shown up #Oregonstandoff

John Cunningham ?@papazubs
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." -Samuel Johnson #Oregonstandoff

Pyrrhus4Bernie ?@King_Pyrrhus
earth to malheur terrorists: you will never get anything in return for your efforts but fines and prison. #OregonUnderAttack #Oregonstandoff


Point of Friction: Idaho and national sportsman rally against refuge takeover
Published on Jan 14, 2016
Idaho and national sportsmen voice their unhappiness with the Oregon refuge takeover by Ammon Bundy and his militia group.

other95 ?@other95
#Oregonstandoff More anti-SCOTUS from AZ SovCit Representative http://tucson.com/news/local/columnists/steller/steller-in-oregon-az-constitutionalists-improvise-rule-of-law/article_f9053952-58ae-544b-9f86-db8311ee201f.html

Anna ?@TallyAnnaE
The Phrase You're Looking For Is 'Seditious Conspiracist' http://wp.me/pZ9Pf-7Da via @mikethemadbiol #BundyMilitia #OregonStandoff

Bet ?@eagle1776n
Lol!! Is that what "God" told Bundy to say?
@OneCowboysStand #Oregonstandoff

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
212. Oregon Militia Brings Battle Back to Malheur Reservation
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 09:46 PM
Jan 2016
Oregon Militia Brings Battle Back to Malheur Reservation

Sarah Winnemucca isn’t a name known by many—her surname is more likely identified as a town in Nevada than the last name of one of the nineteenth century’s most prominent American Indian writers and activists. Author of Life Among the Piutes, one of the first published narratives by a Native American, she made frequent headlines for her vocal support of indigenous rights. One of her most long-lasting campaigns was to restore her people, the Northern Paiutes, to the Malheur Reservation, which was created in 1872 by the U.S. government. In January 1879, following the Bannock War, residents of the reservation were forced to travel 350 miles to the Yakama Indian Reservation after an ill-informed decision to punish the Northern Paiutes, many of whom had supported the US against the Bannocks in the War. Even the so-called “hostiles” in the war were motivated by the usual: colonialist land encroachment and resource exploitation.

Because of our collective amnesia about both Winnemucca and Malheur, I was surprised to see the site make first-page news across the country last week, when members of a militia group took over the Malheur Wildlife Refuge in order to protest the US government’s possession and management of public lands in the West.

Malheur—known now mainly to birders who prize species like the Sandhill Crane—has been a contentious site before. Nineteenth-century newspaper articles that Carolyn Sorisio and I published in the collection The Newspaper Warrior: Sarah Winnemucca Hopkins’s Campaign for American Indian Rights 1864-1891 (University of Nebraska Press 2015) indicate that the rightful owner of Malheur was a contested question long before the militia’s current occupation.

The Malheur Indian Reservation was established for the Northern Paiutes in 1872 by President Grant. .....
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The Bizarre Bird Hat Fad That Led To Malheur’s Public Land Protections

Before Bundy, Bird Hats: Malheur’s Bizarre History

The history and law behind Utah’s bid to gain federal public lands
By BRIAN MAFFLY | The Salt Lake Tribune Jan 19 2016

In the 1780s, Maryland was worried about its neighbors as America's newly independent states pondered how to bind 13 former British colonies into a single nation.

Virginia and Pennsylvania envisioned their borders extending far into "unoccupied" land to the west, and Maryland feared that its influence would wane should those states gain large empires. It insisted these lands be reserved for future states and sold to pay down a massive war debt and fund ongoing government operations.

The historic compromise to resolve this impasse led to the principles Utah is now invoking as it builds a legal case to demand that the federal government hand over title to 31 million acres of public lands.

To persuade Maryland's leaders to sign the Articles of Confederation, other states agreed that all future states would join the union on "equal footing" with the original 13, making the young nation a federal republic of sovereigns, according to the legal analysis recently unveiled by consultants hired by the Utah Commission for the Stewardship of Public Lands.

However ...........
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David J. Hayes @djhayes01
#Bundymilitia don't have a legal leg to stand on. My piece in the Nat'l Law Journal:
http://www.nationallawjournal.com/commentary/id=1202747232238/Oregon-Standoff-Is-Legally-Untenable?slreturn=20160018084432 … #Malheur



Understanding the Oregon Standoff
January 19, 2016 by The Beacon by Rachel Rippetoe

... we have people arguing that these men are militia. They’re armed and they actually are damaging property. They’re saying that this should be treated as terrorism. How are we supposed to go about this as a nation?

Well, usually you think of terrorism as being either the attempt to take life or threaten to take life in order to advance a political goal. The fact that these guys are armed and won’t leave and they’re threatening that if the authorities try to force them to leave, they will meet that force, certainly takes us beyond legal protest. On the other hand, I don’t think they’re all the way to terrorism yet. It would be one thing if they were taking hostages or if they started blowing up the building, but I don’t think tearing down a fence really counts. It’s “terrorism-light,” if that. ....
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#RefugeRally chant went from "birds not bullies" to "throw the bums in jail" #Oregonstandoff 43 pics

#RefugeRally Event News - Rallies in Eugene, Bend, Seattle, Portland,... Noon Jan 19th




L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
213. #RefugeRally chant went from "birds not bullies" to "throw the bums in jail" #Oregonstandoff 43 pics
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jan 2016

[center]#RefugeRally chant went from "birds not bullies" to "throw the bums in jail" #Oregonstandoff 43 pics



Oregon standoff: Anger, frustration boil over at community meeting w/ 31 Photos
By Les Zaitz | The Oregonian/OregonLive January 19, 2016

... In sometimes highly personal remarks, speaker after speaker vented anger – at public officials, at the federal government and at the man in the brown cowboy hat sitting high in the bleachers to take it all in – Ammon Bundy. ...

He sat on the second row from the top as County Judge Steve Grasty, microphone in hand, strode to the foot of that bleacher section.

"It is time for you to go home," Grasty said to Bundy, vowing to meet with Bundy anytime, anyplace – outside of Harney County.

A chant then grew in the gymnasium: "Go, go, go, go, go." .....


Oregon standoff: Live updates from community meeting

Oregon standoff leader attends meeting, hears chants of 'go'
Lisa Baumann, Associated Press, January 20, 2016

... "Ammon, you need to go home to your family; thank you," said local resident Jennifer Williams. "I've heard so many things I didn't know before. Now I'm aware."

Other speakers were less congenial and at times angry and emotional in comments directed at the armed group as well as at local government officials and federal government, in part for not doing more to end the occupation. ....

.... Harney County Judge Steve Grasty took the microphone over to where Bundy sat in the bleachers and told Bundy he'd drive him wherever he wanted to go, as far as Utah. ....
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ADL @ADL_National
#AmmonBundy and his #oregonstandoff circus: profiles of 30 extremists at the takeover:
http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domestic-extremism-terrorism/c/anatomy-of-a-standoff.html#.VpknfVJQFAN

Oregonians hardly present at #Oregonstandoff: 25 of 30 people we ID'd hail from outside OR

Obvious Bastard ?@Genghis_Dong 1 hour ago
Klu Klux Klowns.... #Oregonstandoff

Joe Keene ?@joekeene
#YallQaeda #bundymilitia #birdwatching #loon #Oregonstandoff


Michael D. Kennedy ?@Prof_Kennedy
Writers matter: "Bundy & his bullyboys.. a flock of Right-Winged Loonybirds infesting the refuge"
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/01/19/3740829/ursula-k-le-guin-oregon-lte/ … #Oregonstandoff

Amanda Peacher Verified account ?@amandapeacher
Burns is so divided and tense right now. This mtg. was CHARGED--esp. after Bundy arrived. http://ow.ly/XiLrL #OregonStandoff

Gargoyle ?@Patztense
@jjmacnab @JohnLGC The number of #Oregonstandoff militants with Confederate flags in their FB timeline's astounding

Waidertot @Waidertot
#Oregonstandoff #bundymilitia I was looking at Pete Santilli's Linkedin profile then found this. Must read!
https://susannahcole.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/who-is-this-guy-pete-santilli/

Ian Donovan ?@DnBcorporation 6 minutes ago
Oregonian: #OregonStandoff Day 19: What you need to know today. http://bit.ly/1nlG8I2

Henry C. Schmitt ?@H3nrySchmitt 15 minutes ago
I made a pledge countering ignorance & hate @ http://gohomemalheur.org Pledge 2day!
#gohomemalheur #occupyathon #standup 2 #oregonstandoff

The Bulletin ?@thebulletin 1 hour ago
Burns meeting gets tense when Bundys arrive. http://j.mp/1RSTFU4 #bundymilitia #Oregonstandoff

Arrests Made in Connection With Refuge Occupation

Burns, Ore. – Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward says his Office continues to work with other area law-enforcement partners to protect the Harney County community during the armed and unlawful occupation occurring at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. He updated the media on recent events involving criminals heading to or from the refuge. These are listed below: ............






GrrlScientist ?@GrrlScientist 8h8 hours ago

amusing: Meet the Ragtag Coalition of Birders & Grannies Taking on #BundyMilitia http://bit.ly/1T0Osso #Malheur


Ross Freeman Levin ?@cxrfreeman 18 minutes ago
Today's @KBOOtalk radio guests discuss the #Malheur standoff #YallQueda
http://live.kboo.fm:8000/high.m3u


L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
214. Cliven Bundy says he talks to his sons in Oregon at least daily.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jan 2016

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8 News NOW sat down with Bundy at his Bunkerville ranch Tuesday evening.

Several groups are demanding the arrests of cattle rancher Cliven Bundy, some of his family members and their biggest supporters. ........
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Wanda Moore ?@WandaKTVZ 29 minutes ago
Counter protesters walk up to refuge headquarters to talk to occupiers #Oregonstandoff


Wanda Moore ?@WandaKTVZ 20 minutes ago
Counter protesters and occupiers have discussion about #Oregonstandoff on refuge


The Bulletin ?@thebulletin 3 hours ago
Letter to the Editor: Occupiers need to get out.
http://j.mp/1Sxe80r #Oregonstandoff #bundymilitia


ThinkOutLoud on OPB Verified account ?@OPBTOL 7 minutes ago
The latest coverage of #Oregonstandoff that @amandapeacher just updated us on:
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/

KGW News Verified account ?@KGWNews
Spokane County sheriff criticizes Burns occupiers http://on.kgw.com/1Qn5ssi #Oregonstandoff

Billy B ?@Timbo972
WATCH: #Oregon militants sit silently as furious residents shame them for ruining their community #Oregonstandoff
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/watch-oregon-militants-sit-silently-as-furious-residents-shame-them-for-ruining-their-community/

Harney County ?@HarneyCountyGov
Thank you for coming to community meeting last night. Hoping militia heard the message loud and clear - go home.





Occupied Oregon wildlife refuge known for listening to ranchers


PHOTOS: Cities Across the Northwest Rally for Malheur NWR and Public Lands
Images from Portland, Eugene, Bend, Salem, La Grande, Medford, Boise, Seattle, and the Malheur Refuge

Medford:


Salem:


Boise:

Jan 19, 2016 | Arran Robertson

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
215. OPB Listen: Oregon Gov. Kate Brown: 'Spectacle Must End' + Harney Community Meeting Video
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jan 2016
Oregon Gov. Brown On Burns: 'Spectacle Must End'

In a press conference Wednesday where Oregon Gov. Kate Brown announced her policy agenda, she took aim at federal officials.

The governor said federal officials have told to her to limit her public comments to avoid escalating the ongoing occupation at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge near Burns, Oregon.

Brown called the occupation “intolerable” and pushed for a quick resolution.

“Federal authorities must move quickly to end the occupation and hold all of the wrongdoers accountable,” Brown said.

“This spectacle of lawlessness must end.” ........
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Harney Cty. Sheriff ?@HarneyCoSheriff 1 hour ago
Full video of 1/19 #HarneyCounty community mtg:[center]

Pt 1:


Pt 2:


Pt 3:
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Harney Cty. Sheriff ?@HarneyCoSheriff
#HereForHarney An open letter from the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge staff, who live and work in #HarneyCounty :
https://www.facebook.com/malheurrefuge/posts/1698675557015817

Harney Cty. Sheriff ?@HarneyCoSheriff 7 hours ago
ICYMI, last night's statement from Sheriff Ward. #HereForHarney


Harney County ?@HarneyCountyGov 7 hours ago
Thank you for coming to community meeting last night. Hoping militia heard the message loud and clear - go home.


HGTomato ?@HGTomato
So is #bundymilitia trying to start a religious war? #Oregonstandoff


Daniel R. Patterson ?@DanPattersonUSA 4 minutes ago
OR Gov. Kate Brown criticizes federal response to Bundy terrorists, wants funding to help pay costs: http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/01/kate_brown_oregon_should_help.html … #OregonStandoff

OPB ?@OPB 5 hours ago
LaVoy Finicum says armed occupiers have "no plans to leave" the Malheur refuge http://ow.ly/XkBh7


other95 ?@other95 6 minutes ago
#Oregonstandoff #bundymilitia “God wants us here, there’s a sense that’s beckoning and it comes from heaven,”
http://koin.com/2016/01/20/god-wants-us-here-more-militiamen-arrive-at-malheur/

other95 ?@other95 11 minutes ago
#Oregonstandoff #bundymilitia Bullies Go Home! Great Old Broads for Wilderness rally for public lands
http://www.bendsource.com/bend/bullies-go-home/Content?oid=2587039
https://t.co/sqSvGlrGMm

Joe Papp ?@joepabike 20 minutes ago
Oregon governor calls on Feds to act: 'this spectacle of lawlessness must end'
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/20/1472576/-Oregon-governor-calls-on-Feds-to-act-says-this-spectacle-of-lawlessness-must-end
#oregonunderattack #oregonstandoff





L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
216. One of protesters murdered his father, pleaded insanity, and is prohibited from possessing firearms
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 12:53 AM
Jan 2016
Oregon standoff: One of protesters has murder conviction
Rebecca Woolington | The Oregonian/OregonLive January 20, 2016

One of the protesters taking part in the armed occupation at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge is a 68-year-old former woodworker and, according to court records and authorities, a convicted killer.

Neil Sigurd Wampler drove to Oregon from his home on the California coast earlier this month to join those protesting the arson convictions of father and son ranchers outside Burns.

In August 1977, Wampler, who was 29, was convicted of second-degree murder in the killing of his father .........

..... A commander at the San Luis Obispo County Sheriff's Office also confirmed that the man at the refuge is a convicted murderer he knows as Neil Wampler in California .....

California and federal law generally prohibit felons from possessing firearms. Wampler told The Oregonian that he can legally possess a gun. Cipolla, the San Luis Obispo Sheriff's Office spokesman, said Wampler cannot have a gun because of his murder conviction. ....

...He pleaded ... not guilty by reason of insanity ...... "I myself am willing to be shot and killed for constitutional rights and principles." ......
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rebels mom ?@anonhumanperson 30 minutes ago
The #RefugeRally is spreading. Keep your mitts off our Land. Tomorrow it's Santa Fe! via @OregonWild #oregonstandoff


Bet ?@eagle1776n 55 minutes ago Retweeted Blaine Cooper
VIDEO of Bundy thugs tampering w/ & rooting through Paiute Artifacts
https://twitter.com/coop3030/status/689981160416526336

Residents Grow Restless As Armed Occupation In Oregon Drags On
Updated January 20, 20167:33 PM ET Published January 20, 2016 Amanda Peacher
Listen to the Story All Things Considered 3:58

Residents of Harney County, Ore., are growing increasingly frustrated ....

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING) CROWD: (Chanting) Go home. Go home. Go home. Go home.

PEACHER: So Bundy's presence and that of the other militants in the room definitely increased the tension in that high school gym.

SIEGEL: Well, judging from the go-home chants, it sounds like locals are tired of the situation and just want it to end. Is that accurate?

PEACHER: That is absolutely accurate. They are exhausted ..........
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God wants us here’: More militiamen arrive at Malheur
"We're doing what's right, we're doing what the founding fathers would do"

BURNS, Ore. (KOIN) — The same day Oregon Governor Kate Brown called the takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge “absolutely intolerable”, more militiamen from around the country drove in truck by truck to join the cause.

Group leader Ammon Bundy says there is much work to be done, and that’s why Wednesday’s regularly scheduled press conference was canceled.

.... the heavily armed militants believe their cause is not only just, but an act of divine intervention.

“God wants us here, there’s a sense that’s beckoning and it comes from heaven,” militiaman Kelly Gneiting said. “We’re doing what’s right, we’re doing what the founding fathers would do because we’re inspired by God, also.” ......


L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
217. Bundy talking to an FBI negotiator - #OregonStandoff
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 01:11 PM
Jan 2016

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Bundy talking to an FBI negotiator - #OregonStandoff

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Amanda Peacher @amandapeacher
Bundy is talking with the FBI at Burns airport. #Oregonstandoff


Amanda Peacher ?@amandapeacher
Interestingly, there was not a swarm of armed officers there. Just three FBI agents in ball caps and a few deputies. #Oregonstandoff

At the end of the convo, Ammon asked FBI negotiator if he's LDS. Negotiator said no. "I lost a bet," said Bundy.

Ammon said the FBI contacted him yesterday about negotiations. So he showed up today at FBI HQ to talk in person 1/2
The negotiator wasn't there in person though, so Bundy talked with him by phone at the blockaded gate. 2/2 #Oregonstandoff

Bundy sets a date to talk with the FBI again tomorrow. #oregonstandoff
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January 21, 2016 | 6:45 PM
FBI Issues Statement on Wildlife Refuge Occupation In Oregon
By: T. Grant Benson (Breaking911 Newsroom) January 21, 2016 | 6:45 PM

“The FBI recognizes that many in the community have questions about why we are here and our role in helping to end the occupation of the wildlife refuge. We are here to work closely with Sheriff Ward and our local, state and federal partners to protect the safety and welfare of this community. This occupation has caused tremendous disruption and hardship for the people of Harney County, and our response has been deliberate and measured as we seek a peaceful resolution. Due to safety considerations for both those inside the refuge as well as the law enforcement officers involved, we will not be releasing any specifics with regards to the law enforcement response.”
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More on the road the occupiers built, and the use of bulldozers w/in the refuge
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/militants-continue-to-operate-bulldozers-move-soil-in-refuge-/

SPLC @splcenter
"At the refuge, it's time to pull the plug"
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/01/at_the_refuge_its_time_to_pull.html


Martin Heinrich ?@MartinHeinrich
I commend @OregonGovBrown for calling for aggressive legal action against #OregonStandOff militants. @TheOregonian:
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/kate_brown_presses_top_federal.html



Jason H. Campbell ?@JasonHCampbell
More evidence some of the #Oregonstandoff "patriots" are common law-breaking thugs:
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/oregon-ranchers-who-sparked-standoff-threatened-to-wrap-officials-son-in-barbed-wire-and-drown-him/

pendejo awards ?@pendejoawards
#Militants #bulldoze #archeological site, share vid #rifling thru #artifacts http://bit.ly/1SzKd7Q #Oregonstandoff

Mac ?@macrant
The @OregonGovBrown writes to @POTUS pleading for swift Federal action against #Oregonstandoff. #OregonMilitia


Gordon R. Friedman ?@gordonrfriedman
Gov. Brown's letters to Obama has strong language on the #OregonStandoff occupiers and weak fed response
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/politics/2016/01/21/read-gov-browns-letters-obama-urging-end-malheur-occupation/79123426/

other95 ?@other95
#OregonStandoff #BundyMilitia Reporter @LesZaitz is interviewed about occupation and SovCit
https://m.soundcloud.com/kinkfm/o-reporter-les-zaitz-on-the-coverage-of-the-malheur-wildlife-refuge-standoff

Sonya Lee ?@bujeeboo
Another county in Oregon has a militia “situation”. @jjmacnab @amandapeacher #oregonstandoff #oregonunderattack
http://www.mailtribune.com/article/20150424/NEWS/150429701

OPB ?@OPB
Ammon Bundy spoke with an @FBI negotiator Thursday and plans to again Friday http://ow.ly/XnCBe


OPB ?@OPB
Listen live on OPB in five minutes: @OregonGovBrown speaks with @Kate_Davidson http://ow.ly/Xnkkl

The Oregonian @Oregonian
FBI and #OregonStandoff leaders begin negotiations to end refuge occupation http://bit.ly/1S83dsC


Aly ?@frailascarbyne
Why the hell is the FBI negotiating with the Bundys? We don't negotiate with terrorists. This is America. #Oregonstandoff #MalheurRefuge

Dylan J Darling ?@DylanJDarling
Occupier says 50-100 packages come in per day to #Oregonstandoff. ~half are gag gifts, such as douches and sex toys. http://j.mp/1KsIYiV



L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
218. Militants Bring Young Children To Stay At Occupied Refuge
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 10:25 PM
Jan 2016
Militants Bring Young Children To Stay At Occupied Refuge
by Amanda Peacher OPB | Jan. 22, 2016

OPB has confirmed that there are children staying at the occupied Malheur National Wildlife Refuge ... two young girls now staying at the occupied refuge are sisters, ages 8 and 9.

... the mother and father are active and vocal militants in the armed occupation. Both parents have been involved in the incident since its start Jan. 2.

The children were visible inside one of the buildings Thursday evening. ....
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Chris ?@TheNYCBMX
Teapartiers of a feather, flock together.
#Oregonstandoff

Alean ?@Alean4
#Oregonstandoff Where is his caregiver? Someone help this person.

Patricia McGahan ?@BeachcomberNC
What if a gang of armed thugs in Oregon held a press conference, and nobody came?

berniecrat ?@King_Pyrrhus
my wife says god is talking to her telling her that the sandhill cranes need our help to clear a migration path #Oregonstandoff

STOP #YallQaeda ?@Yall_Qaeda
Statement by Harney County Judge Steve Grasty


Wilderness Watch ?@WildernessWatch
ICYMI – New @PEERorg map shows #PublicLands harmed by livestock grazing: http://bit.ly/1IZ0i44 #Oregonstandoff #p2






#BundyTeaParty image search

Yossarian17 ?@hennessanity
#OregonStandoff DAY 21: #Talibums ignore pleas to leave, consider their occupation a nice respite from reality.






ali I. ?@MCrizvi
New fences and construction at malhuer refuge. #Oregonstandoff



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