Hillary Clinton tells Bernie Sanders backers: ‘When this nomination is wrapped up,’ join me

[riversedge]

Source: washingtonpost




Hillary Clinton tells Bernie Sanders backers: ‘When this nomination is wrapped up,’ join me

By Abby Phillip December 22 at 8:22 PM


https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484
Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton meets with Iowa voters at Keota Junior Senior High School during a town hall in Keota, Iowa, on Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2015. (Photo by Melina Mara/The Washington Post)



FAIRFIELD, IOWA -- Among supporters of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, suspicions that the game is rigged against their candidate went into overdrive this past week -- no thanks to the public endorsement of that theory from Sanders himself.

On Tuesday in Iowa, Clinton did little to change the perception that she's running for president as if her primary is already over.

Asked by an audience member what she would say to disillusioned Sanders supporters, Clinton had a tough message.

"I think it's very dangerous to look at the alternatives and believe that your staying home is a responsible choice," Clinton said. "It's hard for me to believe that anybody who would support Senator Sanders would want to see any of the Republicans elected president of the United States.

"I would just ask that when this nomination is wrapped up that they come and join with us to make sure that we don't turn the White House back over to the Republicans," she added......................

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/22/hillary-clinton-tells-bernie-sanders-backers-when-this-nomination-is-wrapped-up-join-me/

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Nice cordial invite. Love her confidence.


Enjoy.....

[jalan48]

1. LOL-she can't win without them.

[FreakinDJ]

48. I don't think she can

No youth vote vs: a fired up anti Hillary crowd

[roguevalley]

67. god, this fries my ass. the presumption is stunning. But I guess when you

have the fix in, you don't have to worry about things.

Alerted upon in three, two ...

[Cal33]

118. Also, she has to sound confident, whether she feels confident or not.

[dana_b]

124. me too

the presumptiousness and arrogance is what is going to keep some Sanders' folks from voting for her IF she wins. "Join me because there is no other choice" - that's what it sounds like to me and I don't play that game anymore.

[jalan48]

103. I spoke with a young guy at work. I was surprised now pro-Bernie he is.

He's not a particularly political person but he sees through the Republican BS. I was surprised by his opinion about Hillary. He said Hillary represents the entrenched political establishment and that she lies. He said he thought Bernie would do a better job of dealing with climate change-something he sees as happening and that is non-debatable.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

2. Just wow... talk about tone deaf.

[cstanleytech]

18. Newsflash for you, Bernie and Hillary both need the others supporters to win against the Republicans

and if the Hillary supporters or the Bernie supporters behave in a childish and irresponsible manner and dont show up to vote because their preferred candidate doesnt win the nomination we will all lose because it will literally hand the win to the Republicans.

[Cal33]

119. I agree. What you say is very true. Anyone who can do a little arithmetic can see that. But

there are more than a few who prefer to let their emotions overrule their common sense. I
read that as many as 14% of Democrats feel that way! This is Democratic suicide! This is
self-destruct!!!

[okasha]

122. That 14% has no common sense.

And a fair proportion of them are ratfuckers who have no intention of voting for any Democratic candidate.

[Rose Siding]

29. A Democrat talking about beating Republicans? Now I've seen everything.

[Scootaloo]

3. When Clinton loses the primary Riversedge, i'm counting on you to not join her independent bid.

Can you pinky-swear that you will not?

[riversedge]

7. Hillary is a proud Democrat. I believe she has proved that in the

past. She would not ever have an Independent run.

[Scootaloo]

14. So was Joe Lieberman, right up until he wasn't.

Look, it's simple enough.

Sanders has promised he will not run as an independnet. clinton has not.
In 2008, Clinton supporters proved themselves far more loyal to candidate than party, to the point clinton herself had to reign them in.
Since 2014, conservative DU'ers have been demanding that progressives swear blood-oaths of party loyalty no matter what.

So I think it's only fair to ask if you'll stay on the ship even if clinton jumps. You can tell me it's a long shot, and that's fair, all I want is to know that you're on board with us even if you're wrong about that.

[cstanleytech]

19. So do you actually think she will do that or are you just simply engaging in a straw man argument?

[Scootaloo]

20. It's a speculative argument

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility. if Clinton loses the nomination ,and if she runs as independent, I would like to know her supporters are sticking with the Democratic party nominee. After all, it's been asked of me often enough, I figure it's only fair to reciprocate.

A straw man is a wholly different thing from speculation. Like, if I had taken Riversedge's deflection as a declaration that she would join Clinton in an independent run. That would be a straw man.

[riversedge]

98. Tis the silly season. Enough said.

[BlueCaliDem]

72. Nah. It's another one of Scootaloo's strawman arguments. Scootaloo is one of the more

intelligent DU posters here (his/her support for Sanders aside) and s/he knows Hillary Clinton will win the Democratic Party nomination.

[mikehiggins]

84. Don't compare HRC to Jomentum

Joe-dious is a disgrace. HRC is a status-quo politician. If HRC had been the VP candidate in 2000 she would have kicked Al in the nuts if he didn't fight.

[Phlem]

63. "She would not ever have an Independent run."

So basically do as you're told, follow the ceremonies, no independent thinking, cause that's what it sounds like to me.

[JDPriestly]

64. I can and will vote for all other Democrats on my ballot, but I cannot and will not vote for Hillary

under any circumstances. I do not want her presidency on my conscience.

She is not qualified to be president. She has very poor judgment.

Have you watched Amy Goodman's interview with Seymour Hersh on the ISIS situation.

We were giving arms to the "moderates" in Syria and Hersh says they ended up with ISIS.

[Lizzie Poppet]

112. Bingo.

Hillary is unacceptable. Period. End of story.

Fortunately, my state's a lock for whoever the Democrat nominee is. I can, if I so choose, skip the presidential vote on my ballot with a clear conscience (wouldn't be the first time...). While I think the Electoral College is a ludicrous, anti-democratic anachronism, the fact that I live in a "winner take all" state affords a bit of freedom.

[hughee99]

68. If she can't win the Dem primary, she'll have no shot in the General Election and won't run.

She's a pragmatist, she's not into nailing jello to a tree.

[Scootaloo]

77. But she can make the other guy lose.

[hughee99]

86. The only person she can make lose is the Dem Candidate.

She'd still be a power player in the party, but if she runs as an Independent, that all goes away. Like I said, she's a pragmatist and there's no way she'd screw her own party just for revenge. Even those people who don't like Clinton because they think her only core principle is "What's best for me?" would have to admit there's not enough in it for her just to play spoiler.

[brooklynite]

111. Of course, you have no evidence whatsoever that she would do that, right?

[Warren Stupidity]

4. Counting eggs are we?

[Dawson Leery]

5. Bernie supporters put of this stuff all the time.

Don't complain when we do the same.

[restorefreedom]

51. bernie is focused on the primary

he has never made such an assuming and arrogant comment

[FloridaBlues]

107. One of his tv appearances he said yes I writing my acceptance speech

He alittle ahead of himself too
Both candidates need all of us as I suspect they will in the long run

[restorefreedom]

120. i didn't hear that

it is a fine line between positivity and arrogance. and i am sure arrogance is in the eye of the beholder.

generally, i like primary candidates to stick to the primary race until its over

[retrowire]

6. How about "If I honestly earn this nomination from the voters, won't you join me?"

Lol "wrapped up" ? Talk about a "Let's get this shit over with" kind of comment. lol

[GoneFishin]

10. My exact thoughts. "Honestly earn" being the key phrase. "After I manipulate, cheat, bludgeon,

and smear my way to the nomination I hope you won't think less of me."

[riversedge]

11. Well, 6 weeks from tonight Hillary will have wrapped up Iowa.

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[Scootaloo]

21. The A is nowhere near the O on a QWERTY keyboard.

How DID you do that?

[Scootaloo]

26. You honestly made me laugh out loud

[notadmblnd]

39. It had the Google stumped for a sec. From the urban dictionary

Top Definition
Wrop
A cooler, more gangsta way of saying "stop"
Girl: Wrop it!
Guy: I have wropped!
I swear!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wrop&defid=5243572

[INdemo]

80. So what are you going to do when she gives her scream speech

louder than Howard Dean's.
As the corporate media looks on in total shock,Bernie Sanders walks away with the Prize.










Go Bernie !!!!

[deathrind]

59. That would have been a nice way

To put it but she couldn't do that. Had she not answered with hubristic confidence the headlines tomorrow would have read something like "HRC not sure she can win" or "Sanders campaign has HRC lacking confidence to win" or some such other nonsense. This way she just looks arogant and it's a dead issue as opposed to the numerous questions if she did not answer that way.

Kind of a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario.

[Thinkingabout]

8. One thing for sure, we will not win if a republican is elected. This is where we can vote for

our best interest or we can vote against our best interest, deciding not to vote is against ourselves. It is about having unity and electing Democrats on every level to get the team in office which can help working Americans.

[Kelvin Mace]

16. The lesser of two evils is still evil

A vote for HRC is a vote for war, a vote for Wall Street, a vote for the TPP, a vote for the surveillance state, a vote against bank regulation and/or financial reform.

I will vote for down-ballot candidates and skip the presidential.

[840high]

42. ...^ that

[Thinkingabout]

43. Funny, a none vote is good for the republican party, they are doing everything possible to

keep us from voting as it is.

[Kelvin Mace]

52. Only person keeping me from voting for HRC

Is HRC.

[Thinkingabout]

53. Whatever, don't complain about Cruz or Trump

[roguevalley]

69. they can't convince the rest of their party to vote for them.

HRC is making a big portion of the electorate pissed with her arrogant presumption. She is about as good at politics as I am at toe dancing.

[Thinkingabout]

97. Funny you should mention arrogant.

[Kelvin Mace]

106. If HRC loses to either of those two idiots

it is a reflection on her as a candidate, not me as a voter.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

31. Because PalinRomneyTrump!

“If a voter has a choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, he'll vote for the Republican every time."

[ybbor]

50. This^^^

[roguevalley]

70. I remember truman saying that :D

[AngryOldDem]

91. And you assume HRC has our best interests at heart.

I'm really not so sure about that.

I'm not voting blindly anymore.

[Thinkingabout]

96. I don't assume, I have looked at her record, i have looked at her experience,

I have watched her interaction with people, I have looked how she responds to people's concerns, I do not make my decision blindly.

[Kalidurga]

9. So we should just give our vote away

I can't think of a single reason to do that.

[earthside]

12. What a horrible photo of Mrs. Clinton.

And ... her words are arrogant and betray the sense of entitlement she has for the Democratic Party nomination for President.

How about a bit of respect for the small 'd' democratic process?

A little full of herself, maybe?

[CoffeeCat]

17. She reminds me of Miranda Priestly

from The Devil Wears Prada.

I'm surprised that Clinton didn't say her demeaning little line, wave away the crowd and say, "That's all."

[CharlotteVale]

35. ROFL, spot on.

[notadmblnd]

40. I think they enforce the sense of entitlement not betray.

nt

[dflprincess]

13. Give me a reason to

other than that you're not as scary as the Republicans.

[CoffeeCat]

15. Such hubris

and we've still got six weeks before the first state primary. And in that first state primary, she's dealing with a single digit lead. She used to have a 59.2 percent lead in Iowa.

Clinton isn't trying to win us over. She's trying to denigrate Sanders, his supporters and his entire campaign--by lecturing us about the importance of eventually voting for her.

Dismissing and belittling the supporters of a formidable and worthy opponent doesn't exactly win friends and influence people.

[roguevalley]

71. yeah. she's just like my little hispanic grandma.

She is a pretty nervy lady. Must be that sniper fire in Bosnia.

Alert on three, two ...

[LS_Editor]

22. Bernie supporters will certainly join her in her support of him as the Democratic nominee.

[roguevalley]

73. LS_Editor, what you said. LOL!

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

23. ...

[geomon666]

28. Enjoy the republican future then.

And welcome to DU.

[yuiyoshida]

37. and the results are in

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[Lil Missy]

30. She can and will win without a single solitary vote from DU.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

32. You mean Skinner's not voting?

[XemaSab]

34. O SNAP

n/t

[the_phantom_dennis]

33. I'm Already There

But if Bernie or Martin turn out to be the nominee, I'll be there for them, too.

[leftofcool]

36. Go Hillary!

[highprincipleswork]

38. I think I just threw up in my mouth.

This race isn't over, and if DWS and DNC and Hillary would quit planning for her coronation and really work to make sure the rest of us think the game isn't rigged and our candidates are being given a fair chance, then she could be assured everyone would join her IF she wins the nomination.

Failing that, don't count on it.

One thing people don't take into account is just how far down people feel after decades of being pounded down by Democratic and Republican policies a lot. They may not feel "they have much to lose". OK, OK, OK, I can just feel your brain explode, saying something like "Supreme Court, Supreme Court, Supreme Court". Yeah, but people often vote and act and do everything with their emotions, and frankly, that's something I actually really like about people.

So, how about, since you're riding high in the polls and doing well in the debates and so on, how about giving all those people complaining the benefit of the doubt and do something close to what they're asking for for a change?

[appal_jack]

44. Nicely stated, hpw.

Never mind the race not being over, the FIRST primary vote has not yet been cast. Hillary is way (WAY) ahead of herself here.

-app

[highprincipleswork]

62. Trying for the "psych out", I guess. Let's see how well that works.

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[roguevalley]

74. I don't understand her lately. An email asking for a single buck because

'we might lose' and how this. Odd, stupid and odd.

[BeyondGeography]

41. In tennis, that's called an unforced error

No upside; just pisses people off.

[davidpdx]

88. Her campaign made a lot of them in 2008

We'll have to see what effect it has. Some on DU would like to believe she is perfect, but she isn't. She is a flawed politician.

[colsohlibgal]

45. Just A Bit Cocky To Be Sure

If it is Hillary and whatever stooge the republicans trot out....Jill Stein of the Green Party would be so much closer to my beliefs than HRC.

It just keeps getting harder to vote for not nearly good enough to thwart truly evil.

[underthematrix]

56. America is a consumer economy.

If you buy things like I do then you and I are the evil.

[CBGLuthier]

46. Oh to be so entitled. Let's just skip the damn election and go right to the coronation.

One of her biggest flaws is she thinks she is owed the job.

[restorefreedom]

54. plus a million. nt

[CoffeeCat]

57. Given what happened to her in 08

I'm kind of shocked that she wouldn't display just a tad bit of humility.

I mean, we've heard the whole, "Hello...its me. I'm inevitable" schtick in 2008, and that turned out to be a bust.

Does she not realize that speaking as if she's inevitable *again* makes her appear foolish?

[roguevalley]

75. I think anger and blind determination to succeed this time are leading her path

[thesquanderer]

47. Presumptuous much? Apparently she didn't get the memo...

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...that one of the perceptions she's trying to avoid is that she feels like her nomination is inevitable.

If she was trying to ingratiate herself to Sanders supporters, well, I have a feeling she did the opposite. Heck, she comes off so badly here, I'm surprised it wasn't posted in the Sanders group!

[Monk06]

49. Why wouldn't a Hillary Bernie ticket be the big sell? American politics has become so do or die

If it ain't my candidate then burn the crops and kill the livestock

Really Hil and Bern would kill the GOP for a decade

[enid602]

65. bern

He doesn't work well with others. He uses Denmark as an example of his kind of socialism, which is ironic, as they are a parliamentary democracy with eight political parties, and bipartisanship (multipartisanship?) is key to governing such a country. Bernie traditionally has had no party, and has never had a need for compromise or leadership.

[roguevalley]

76. he works well with others. no one has passed as many amendments as he has

and if you're trying to tout your queen here, you have failed. You might post just how he has nothing in his background to show for his fifty years of diligent effort. He didn't get where he was because of a celebrated spouse. Her starting point was bill's election. We would not be talking about or even know her without bill. That is incontrovertible.

[enid602]

100. Hill

She's paid her dues.

[Furrfu]

110. Explain, please.

How, exactly, did she pay her dues?

[Bluenorthwest]

105. Then how is it that he co-founded what is now the largest Democratic caucus in the Congress?

He co-founded it, was elected as the first Chairperson of that caucus and remains today among that caucus as the only Senatorial member. How does a person organize such a thing if they don't work well with others? For that matter, how does a person run successful Congressional runs every two years if they don't work well with others? How could a person who does not work well with others keep getting so much support from others? Why did those others promote him to the Senate?

Such a vapid bit of nonsense you have posted.

[restorefreedom]

55. pride goeth before the fall.....

i can see it now

"hillary: not a republican"

way to lower the bar

[Marrah_G]

58. I don't think she will be the nominee

[Stuckinthebush]

115. Will you put money on that?

The math isn't with Sanders. It's a long shot. Are you willing to put good money on the outcome?

Most seasoned gamblers would say, "hell, no".

[Marrah_G]

125. That would be silly

Everyone has opinions. You have yours, I have mine. We don't even know for sure who will still be in the race by primary time.

[maggies farm]

60. For some...

it kinda sucks that Elizabeth Warren will be the first woman president. Not me I am very excited.

[Android3.14]

95. Yup

Of course, we might have to go through 4-8 years of GOP hell if Hillary wins the primary and then loses the general. the smart vote goes to Bernie Sanders in the primary.

[PSPS]

61. To the many red-faced keyboard warriors on DU who will jump all over this in a tantrum...

[Joe Shlabotnik]

66. LOL

The hubris.....the hubris...

[IMG][/IMG]

[bkkyosemite]

78. Surprising how

sure she is of herself.

excerpt from above:

""I would just ask that when this nomination is wrapped up that they come and join with us to make sure that we don't turn the White House back over to the Republicans," she added."

[gwheezie]

79. Is it hubris for the dem nominee to ask for dem support?

I wouldn't have a problem if Bernie said it. This isn't a road show of don Quixote any of the 3 will have to ask for the others to support them.

[Volaris]

93. I will vote for Hillary Clinton for President if she is the Democratic Party nominee.

She's not the nominee YET.

[Rebkeh]

129. It's not hubris to ask but

she isn't asking, she's expecting. If she wants our support, she should earn it instead of offering a no-win scenario with, "Well, I'm better than that guy."

[Betty Karlson]

81. Nice cordial invite? "Vote for me or the GOP will come for you"?

I will never trust Debbie's gal-pal. Because Debbie already makes me feel like the GOP is coming for me.

[azurnoir]

82. sheer tone deaf egotism so the DNC will let us back in

not the sort of stuff I'd expect from a Democratic politician at this point in the game

[truthisfreedom]

83. Hey Hillary, your people must be shielding you from these types of articles.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/264023-in-blockbuster-poll-sanders-destroys-trump-by-13

[mhatrw]

85. dancing with the stars level choreography

[Cha]

87. Thank you, rivers!

[davidpdx]

89. Bookmarking

For the next time anyone denies that her campaign is planning anything but a coronation.

[AngryOldDem]

90. I recall hearing pretty much the same thing back in '08...

...when she thought she would wipe the floor with Obama in the primaries.

One does not count one's chickens before they hatch.

NOT the way to win votes or influence voters, IMO.

[SmittynMo]

92. Nice cordial invite. Love her confidence?

[Scuba]

94. Hillary's explanation of why Bernie's supporters should support her ....

"Who else you gonna vote for, suckers?"

[Vinca]

99. That's about it . . . and there's truth to it.

I'll have to hold my nose and pull the lever if it's between her and Trump. It would be in her favor to be a bit more humble about it all.

[billhicks76]

101. Wow.

She's gonna lose this for all of us.

[Sunlei]

102. If Mrs. Clinton wins the primary Bernie Sanders will back and vote for her too.

[JoePhilly]

109. That's going to be an interesting day here on DU.

No doubt about it.

[Stuckinthebush]

116. Absolutely he will

He will come out and support her with word and deed. He will stump for her. Why? Because Sanders isn't a fool.

And, yes, DU will explode the day he does that. It'll be interesting to watch.

[Gary 50]

104. Hillary, when the nomination is wrapped up I will join you and your supporters.....

in wishing Bernie a successful presidency.

[whatthehey]

108. note to the inevitable conditionally poutraged

I have a plan to change this. I introduced a bill in the Senate -- and when I am president, I will work to make it law -- that will stop the soaring costs of prescription drug prices. My plan includes:

https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/lower_rx_costs


ALL primary candidates use non-conditional assumptive statements about winning. Rhetoric 101.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

126. Not all primary candidates use non-conditional assumptive statements to lecture supporters of

...another candidate. See the difference?

[whatthehey]

131. No, but because it's an ex post facto rationalized distinction without a difference

An HRC partisan could just as easily say "not all primary candidates use assumptive statements that they will win not one but two elections". All people running for president must assume they can win, in public at least, and in the primary stage that by definition means with the support of all primary candidates' fans.

[CrispyQ]

113. That's a little counting the eggs before they hatch, isn't it? -nt

[Javaman]

114. mighting big ego you got there hillary.

let's just wait and see shall we?

another reason I don't like her.

[Township75]

117. She should have said that those in opposing camps will be able to

Lay down their swords, bend their knees, and take their oaths before the March to fight the final battle Against the great evil army.

[4dsc]

121. When she loses Iowa and NH please join Bernie

EOM.

[vishnura]

123. Bernie to the end!

[SheilaT]

127. Oh, yes, Inevitable Hillary.

Just like in 2008.

Remind me again what happened?

[Rebkeh]

128. Funnily enough,

it should be the other way around. She works for us, remember? Her job is to join us. Give us a reason and then we can talk.

Silly me, I thought this was a representative democracy.

[djean111]

130. Hillary does not get to tell me any damned thing. n/t