Bernie Sanders Accuses DNC Of Undermining Campaign And Threatens Federal Lawsuit
Source: Politics USA
At a press conference, Bernie Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver accused the DNC of trying to undermine the Sanders campaign. The campaign is threatening to take the DNC to federal court if they do not allow Sanders access to his own data.
Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said that the DNCs vendor failed to protect the data. Weaver called the DNCs action an, inappropriate overreaction. Weaver said that the vendor has been dangerously incompetent. Weaver also said that it was the Sanders campaign that alerted the DNC to the original problem. Weaver said that the behavior of the staffer was unacceptable and the staffer was fired. He said that data should not have been looked at period. Weaver hammered the DNC for shutting down the campaigns access to their own data that has been collected by their own people. He said, It is our information, not the DNCs.
Weaver said that the DNC is trying to undermine their campaign. The campaign said that they will be in federal court today if the DNC continues to hold their data hostage. He added that the DNC has taken their campaign hostage by taking away all of their grassroots data.
If what Weaver said is true, the DNC has completely overreacted. There is no reason for the DNC to access the Sanders campaigns access to their own data. If this matter ends up in federal court, this will be another black eye for DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultzs leadership.
Read more: http://www.politicususa.com/2015/12/18/bernie-sanders-accuses-dnc-undermining-campaign-threatens-federal-lawsuit.html
ArizonaLib
(1,242 posts)Like Big Eddie (Ed Schultz) likes to quote from someone else "He's a 2 fisted Democrat!"
Burn Burnie Burn!!!
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Roy Rolling
(6,943 posts)Now it becomes very clear why Democrats get plastered every midterm election. The DNC refuses to disprove the stereotype of Democrats being disorganized lightweights.
The lightweights they are, the DNC is more interested in battling its own candidates than the GOP? This is the straw that breaks the camel's back for me with the DNC, they will not get another dime unless they fire Debbie and reverse this partisan database decision.
They are on notice. LOL
Lorien
(31,935 posts)fing evil. Truly, the worst of the worst. From undermining Bernie's campaign at every opportunity, losing the midterm elections, and supporting the for-profit prison industry, to helping repug candidates who were her "personal friends" beat Democrats and sabotaging efforts to bring medical marijuana to Florida because the bill's sponsor, Attorney John Morgan, called her a "bully"; petty Debbie Wasserman Schultz is about the worst thing to ever happen to the DNC.
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a37542/dnc-chairperson/
Freddie Stubbs
(29,853 posts)So it's "We didn't do anything wrong, but we fired the guy who did it anyway."
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)and you're responding with a blatant attempt to destroy us."
Now watch it boomerang, like every other dirty trick Hillary's team has tried.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)do'h. this is gonna get ugly very fast. Anyone with any computer knowledge will accept it's a bug and fix it. DNC didn't do that and didn't fix it when it was first told about it and it wasn't today.
NonMetro
(631 posts)Pretty obvious either HRC, DWS, or both were behind this effort to smear the Sanders campaign. It will have the desired effect, but people are going to see it for what it is: dirty politics. Well, maybe we'll have our first female president after all: Carly Fiorina?
daleanime
(17,796 posts)riversedge
(70,381 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)hay rick
(7,650 posts)MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)You can use facts to prove ANYTHING!
riversedge
(70,381 posts)AP Source: Records: Sanders aides saved Clinton voter data
By KEN THOMAS
Dec. 18, 2015 12:46 PM EST
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WASHINGTON (AP) A summary of computer logs show that four aides to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign accessed proprietary voter data compiled by the campaign of rival Hillary Clinton.
And the records also show that the aides conducted 25 separate searches of voter information and some saved the results.
That's according to a person familiar with the data logs and the breach. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.
The person says the data represents millions of dollars of Clinton campaign investment.
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jeff47
(26,549 posts)You realize contradicting the vendor who actually built and run this system is not helpful, right?
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)did do something improper, right?
Lancero
(3,017 posts)Thanks in advance.
AP Source: Records: Sanders aides saved Clinton voter data
By KEN THOMAS
Dec. 18, 2015 12:46 PM EST
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WASHINGTON (AP) A summary of computer logs show that four aides to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign accessed proprietary voter data compiled by the campaign of rival Hillary Clinton.
And the records also show that the aides conducted 25 separate searches of voter information and some saved the results.
That's according to a person familiar with the data logs and the breach. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.
The person says the data represents millions of dollars of Clinton campaign investment.
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Lancero
(3,017 posts)That said, NGPVAN has jumped around a few times on data being downloaded that anything further they say should be taken with a lot of salt.
First they say that no data was downloaded with one possible exception. The next, they say that it would be impossible for anyone to download data. Finally, they say - despite just before saying its impossible - that data may or may not have been downloaded. Given how many times they've flopped on the potential for a data download in one statement, any logical person would admit that anything further they say should be taken with a lot of salt.
The DNC is wanting to save face given that they were the ones who selected this company to oversee the datas safety - Their position is made even worse with the complaints about how closely tied they are with Hillarys campaign, so them hiring a company founded in part by one of Hillarys previous staffers, and then that company making this large of a mistake, will have them scouring for a scapegoat.
The Sanders campaign though came right out and admitted that some of their people did - as a result of NGPVANs fuckup - access some of HRC campaign data and that he was fired as a result of it. They outright admitted their part in this entire debacle, something that the DNC refuses to do.
Rather then admit to making a mistake though, they decided to scapegoat one of the two groups that played a part in this - And rather then place the blame on NGPVAN, as they were the ones who allowed for the data breach, they are trying to place the entirety of the blame on the Sanders campaign. This is perhaps the WORST thing they could do for reasons I already outlined above. The fact that NGPVAN has admitted to dropping the ball just make the DNC still maintaining their total lockout against the Sanders campaign come off even worse.
I don't know if the Clinton campaign has put out a official statement, but given the ties the 08 campaign had with one of NGPVANs founders, it'll most likely make this situation even more of a mess then it already is.
The DNC is alienating a portion of their voting base by scapegoating Sanders rather then taking NGPVAN to task for their fuckup. They need to backtrack on what they've done, otherwise they might just be GIVING this election to the Republicans on a silver, no, a golden platter.
riversedge
(70,381 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)It's pretty easy to say 'I was wrong' and self delete.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)But the IT vendor already stated the data could be seen but not copied or downloaded. So you can either believe incompetent DWS or Hillary's IT vendor from 2008. Not a good choice to face.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)I love it.sue DNC
Duval
(4,280 posts)about the firewall two months ago. The DNC said they would "fix it", but obviously it wasn't. To shut down access to their own campaign is unprecedented. Shame on them! And thank you for your post, think!
tecelote
(5,122 posts)The vendor is responsible for the flaw in the system.
Bernie is guilty?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...and planned to spring it just prior to the debate.
Way too much crossover from DNC to Clinton campaign.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)lark
(23,182 posts)She's a cancer.
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)And that's what we want for leadership--clear, decisive, no spin, no nonsense--just competence!
Let's see what Hillary has to say about it.......
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)is really gonna get looked at by the Conservatives now. smh
Vinca
(50,322 posts)Denying him access to his own data is thievery and not unlike the stopping of votes in the year 2000 in Florida. Some people will do anything to guarantee the coronation of their candidate. The DNC should remember that Bernie had - and still has - the option of running as an Independent. If that happens, there definitely will not be a President Clinton being sworn in next time around. Or a President Sanders.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)as a newly-minted Independent.
Vinca
(50,322 posts)Before I might not have, but this really has me ticked off.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)If the DNC/DWS/HC camp won't play fair then a third party run is in order. Call it the True Democratic Party. "TDP" and leave these DINOS aka Wall Street backed 1%ers to try and draw a real distinction between them and the Bushes.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)I'll write Bernie in.
Blulady
(9 posts)I decided for myself that if Hillary wins the primary I will know that it was not honestly won but by "sewing up" the "superdelegates". Therefore I will write in Bernie. I vote every 2 years and so should everybody. We need to clean up the down ticket.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,918 posts)It is applied to cases where government agents suck people into committing a crime that they would not have committed were it not for the actions of the government. Technically, for a number of reasons, this can't be that, but I have to wonder if there is any chance that a trap was laid with a goal of providing a justification to freeze out the Sanders campaign from it's own data. I'm not saying it's likely, but given the track record of this DNC I don't rule it out.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I smelled it immediately. The timing is particularly telling. The day before the debate.
woodsprite
(11,937 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,481 posts)Thanks for the thread, think.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)Hopefully this will be discussed further in the upcoming debate safely hidden away by DWS on a Saturday...
jwirr
(39,215 posts)raindaddy
(1,370 posts)Under the circumstances considering there are many Democrats questioning the bipartisanship of DWS, Obama should fire her and reappoint Howard Dean.
There's has to be some honest lawyers left in the DOJ..
jwirr
(39,215 posts)It's up to the Dem party voters.. If the party loses all credibility they'll people will continue to leave the party... I guess they can continue on depending on Wall Street and global corporations to fund their elections.. But how many people are going to bother to show up at the polls to support this kind of corruption?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)mood of the country right now.
fbc
(1,668 posts)Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Thanks Debbie! You are finally helping the Bernie campaign, albeit unintentionally.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)With a nice plug for the debate.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Just crazy how we're fighting our own side!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)this primary is corporations, bankers and the 1% vs the people.
Blulady
(9 posts)But it's a healthy sign that the base just may win back the party.
We fought hard and won to jettison Rahm and get Howard Dean to head the party.
Obama changed that (back).
azmom
(5,208 posts)UnidosConBernie
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)This ought to be interesting.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)OMG, if the Hillary camp did this there would be calls for her to be prosecuted and sent to prison, perhaps even deported. She'd be accused of personally orchestrating the breach.
Personally, I don't think there was any malice or intent on Sanders part from him personally. I doubt he even knew about it until it was pointed out to him after the fact. I believe it was simply an exploitation of an unexpected breach/bug in the software - simple as that.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)The DNC never would have blocked her access to their data and the story would never have been leaked.
hay rick
(7,650 posts)The blog post here: http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy
Two statements:
and
So a user could not save, export, or manipulate data but they could search for data and view it. They presumably could write it down, memorize it, or possibly make a screen capture. Is that what they mean by "retaining data?" NGP should clarify.
DWS and Clinton supporters are using the analogy of walking into somebody's house and taking something when they left the door unlocked. The analogy fails in a number of ways. First, the thing that was "taken" was information- something that is infinitely reproducible. The original is still there- in the Hillary house as it were. Second, if the copy of the information is not utilized or retained, there is no harm and no foul- no advantage is gained and therefore there is no loss that needs to be compensated. Unfortunately, DWS has made an adverse assumption and adopted a guilty until proven innocent stance. Without benefit of a review of the evidence, DWS has moved directly to a sanction. Her solution is analogous to locking the Sanders campaign out of their own house.
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)and her DNC allies aren't busy pouring over all the names of Sanders' supporters right now.
Expect to be getting pro-Hillary mailings and e-mails really soon...
Tarheel_Dem
(31,246 posts)They are flip sides of the same coin. I wish he would take his libertarian supporters and go & do his independent thing, and leave us the f**k alone.
razorman
(1,644 posts)is Bernie Sanders now officially a Democrat? If not, why is he allowed to run for the Dem nomination, rather than as an Independent?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,246 posts)I actually loathe him, along with his libertarian/green "supporters".
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Dino are people that run as Democrats and vote like Republicans. You know like Blue Dogs and Third Way Democrats.
We don't have a word yet for a guy like Bernie who runs independent but is more progressive than 75% of the Democratic party.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,246 posts)from "Democrats".
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)That Bernie personally stole data from fellow Democrats. Of course you also misused the word 'DINO' or tried to redefine it in order to spin... so yeah...
Think you might want to do a retraction or is fibbing acceptable?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,246 posts)makes him a "Democrat in Name Only" AFAIC. He has prided himself for decades that he was separate and apart from the Democratic party, and because he needed access to our resources & infrastructure, he decided to "name" himself a "Democrat". He is the epitome of a DINO.
All your carping aside, doesn't change the fact that BS is not a "Democrat".
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)I know the actual definition of DINO
It was a label applied to the DLC sorts back in the day, the Blue Dogs, and the Third Way. It describes people that run as Democrats and vote like Republicans.
Were you planning on continuing to misuse that term?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,246 posts)kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)The word "DINO" has been in the lexicon for over a decade. You don't just get to decide that it means something else. You are wrong and all the spin, smileys, and emoticons in the world will not somehow allow you to Rove your way out of this.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,246 posts)kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Bored now.
Clearly you don't care about the facts. You just are here to get a rise out of people.
razorman
(1,644 posts)But, my concern about Bernie remains. Regardless of his progressive credentials, if he is not an actual member of the Democratic party, how can he be the Dem nominee? He hasn't taken an oath of loyalty, has he? However, if he is not a party member, he cannot, by definition, be a DINO.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Divisive as hell, too.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,246 posts)that includes access to democratic voter data. He and his team are scum, just like Nader. When a candidate and his supporters do nothing but attack the very institutions, while taking full advantage of the institution's vast resources, there is much more at play than meets the eye.
Here's my prediction: By the time this is all over, Ralph Nader will no longer be the most reviled man on the left.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)They're already viewed as outsiders to the party. Then they steal some proprietary data and then lawsuits? Breathtaking.
Township75
(3,535 posts)solara
(3,836 posts)Flood the DNC with Democratic rebuke! If everyone who is posting on DU about this underhanded dirty work by DWS calls and/or emails the DNC.. attention will be paid. Call the DNC regarding their suspension of Votebuilder access for the Bernie Sanders campaign! You can leave a message/complaint at 1-202-863-8000 or email them at [email protected].
usaf-vet
(6,231 posts)Debbie Wasserman Schultz just pushed me over the fence. See ya Hillary! What can I do to help Bernie? I don't give a shit what Debbie wants..... I'm really f**king tired of the DNC under he reign.
Le Taz Hot
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enid602
(8,660 posts)That's what Jane Sanders did after she was caught overstating assets on Burlington College's balance sheet to support a loan application. History repeats itself.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Monk06
(7,675 posts)excuse to deny access to the data by an apposing candidate.
Nope nothing fraudulant about that.
Gotta hand it to Bernie he has the grit to be a president
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]
George II
(67,782 posts)....and manipulate for their own specific use.
If it were their own data, why would they store it in the DNC database?
They're looking for scapegoats outside of their own campaign to impugn.
dgibby
(9,474 posts)It belongs to the candidates and their campaigns, and was bought and paid for by campaigns donations.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Black eyes don't appear to matter to Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
SDJay
(1,089 posts)as stuff is flying in every direction. Probably best to let the dust settle a bit and see what happens/happened.
That said, since so many are tossing out hypotheticals here, I have one:
If this had been a Hillary staffer that had done this, would the DNC have barred her campaign from using the data?
fredamae
(4,458 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Bring it!
polichick
(37,152 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)a good, old-fashioned circular firing squad for a long while...
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Sanders was heading into the debates with some MAJOR victories.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,246 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)As each day goes by I get more and more sure about my support for Hillary Clinton, and I started as a Bernie supporter.
I can't believe Bernie himself is willing to throw the election if he can't win it. But his supporters appear perfectly willing to do so.
Bernie's fans are this election's PUMAs, ironically.