Bernie Sanders’ Classmates Say Man in Civil Rights Sit-In Photo Isn’t Him
Source: Mediaite
Another presidential candidate might soon come under increased media scrutiny for potentially giving incorrect information about his past. Former classmates of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) are now speaking out about an iconic civil rights-era photo that shows a man talking to his peers at a sit-in protest.
Sanders and his campaign have contended that the man standing up with a book in his right hand is the Democratic presidential candidate, and the University of Chicago archives still label it as such. But four of his former classmates told TIME Magazine that Sanders does not actually appear in the photo.
Additionally, TIME reported, an archivist at the university came to the same conclusion earlier this year, but has thus far been unable to identify the man. For that reason, Sanders is still listed in the description. The classmates with whom TIME spoke believe the man addressing protesters in the photo is Bruce Rappaport, who passed away in 2006.
I can certainly recognize it as Bruce Rappaport, partly because of the curvature of his spine, and I see that tall thin look from the side, a former University of Chicago student told TIME. When I saw it, I said, Thats Bruce Rappaport.'
Another former classmate who was Rappaports roommate and the best man at his wedding corroborated that account.
Read more: http://www.mediaite.com/online/bernie-sanders-classmates-say-man-in-civil-rights-sit-in-photo-isnt-him/
hey, nobody's perfect.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)FloridaBlues
(4,014 posts)Interesting to see how the campaign will spin this and throw that man under the bus!
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)monmouth4
(9,712 posts)truthisfreedom
(23,169 posts)Nothing nefarious so far.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)He never really starts it. Nothing to see here. move along. ie if you wanted to push this then the bible in the New Book is anti Gay because someone besides Jesus said it's wrong. Jesus never said so therefore there's no way to argue against gay marriage.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)pnwmom
(109,025 posts)in civil rights actions on campus. He probably relied on the University's labeling of that photo to be correct. He and the other guy look very similar.
So this whole story should go away ASAP.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)I don't know what his answer was. I think he said he was there but I am not sure.
Anyway I think it has nothing to do with the primary. We know Bernie was an activist.
Let's get back to the issues as he would say.
I would not like something about Hillary like that to be taken as being unfit to be President.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)They went on to discuss the protest.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)is based on more substance than that picture. All the chicken shit things said about Hillary on this board piss me off and I hope we are bigger than that.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)But if it had been Hillary, we would never heard the end of it.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)RussBLib
(9,058 posts)not that the person standing is Bernie, but that Bernie did address the students but perhaps no picture was taken at that moment.
DISCLAIMER: I'm currently a Bernie supporter, but I will vote for Hillary if and when the time comes. ?height=225&width=225 ?height=460&width=460&qv=90
seabeckind
(1,957 posts)Not.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
madokie
(51,076 posts)right down to his big feet and everywhere in between
Trace this hit piece back and you will find a rove in there, you can bet on it
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)since John Ellis doesn't seem to be using him.
What did Poppy say? Something to the effect that Bill is like a son to him?
rove is pukeliCON all the way, through and through. I wonder if he has any real allegiance to any one person. rove at large
zalinda
(5,621 posts)He's even wearing the same sweater. It's a boatneck sweater, not common on men.
Z
polly7
(20,582 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,712 posts)We already knew that he owned one pair of underwear. Did he only own one sweater too?
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1monster
(11,012 posts)That pretty much clinches it for me.
murielm99
(30,787 posts)Someone can ask Bernie if they feel like it. He is not doing what Carson is doing and making wild claims about himself.
I found a picture of myself when I was in college, more than forty years ago. I am with a group of friends in a coffee shop. It is a posed picture. I can't remember the picture being taken at all. Things like that happen.
madokie
(51,076 posts)of me taken when I was stationed at the Navy's SERE school and if I didn't know me I'd not think it was me at all. No resemblance to myself at all. Well yes the knock knees maybe.
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)a) because it hasn't been proven to not be Sanders yet
b) because others identified Sanders as being in the photo (I saw someone quote the caption in an article - don't know where)
c) he ran for high school president - campaigning to raise education money for Korean war orphans. In other words, he was an activist long before that picture was taken doing the very things like what we see going on in that picture. So even if someone messed up and identified Sanders wrongly, it doesn't materially change Sanders story.
kydo
(2,679 posts)Top right corner... See them?
Ok maybe not... but dang it sure almost looks like them.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)and 25% of the humans would be wearing a spare tire....
Thanks escalators!
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)<flush>
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)"Kaufman reported in the student newspaper that the protesters at the sit-in played bridge and ate salami and cheese sandwiches. One guy read aloud from Winnie-the-Pooh. Several wore neckties.
One of the leaders of the sit-in was a young Bernard Sanders, shown in one photo sporting a wide-necked dark sweater and horn-rimmed glasses, clutching a book in one hand and gesturing with the other as he speaks to the protesters.
"He was a great speaker," Kaufman recalls, "and he was able to convince a bunch of other 19-year-olds ... that what was going on was something that was wrong ... and we had the power and the obligation to try to create change."
Sanders has said the sit-in was the event that kick-started his political activism.
Not everyone remembers him as eloquent. Gavin MacFadyen says Sanders was no "electrifying speechmaker" but a soft-spoken, intelligent kid who was still figuring out how to lead.
"If you'd said, 'Is this guy going to run for president?' I think we all would have smiled," MacFadyen says."
http://mag.uchicago.edu/law-policy-society/political-education
Compromise was not yet to be. Backed by student government, CORE voted in a spirited mass meeting in the lounge of the New Dorm (later Woodward Court) to try a different tactic. The next day, at a noon rally at the rear steps of the Administration Building, Bernard Sanders, chairman of the social action committee of CORE, said, We feel it is an intolerable situation, when Negro and white students of the University cannot live together in university owned apartments. Then some 33 people, most of them white students, strode into the building, took the elevator to the fifth floor, and reclined on the floor along the walls of the reception room adjoining Beadles office: a sit-in.
Sanders was leading them as "chairman of the social action committee of CORE" and they quote him above.
This photo identity thing seems like nonsense to me.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)That looks like his hand, and we have seen him make that exact gesture repeatedly.
Sam
appalachiablue
(41,204 posts)legs and posture are Bernie too. The eyeglasses are slightly larger than Bruce's as are the hands, based on the photo of Bruce here.
Vinca
(50,334 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)We're not to bring that up.
herding cats
(19,569 posts)It may be him or it may be another student who looked a lot like him and was also involved. Who can remember every detail from 50 years ago?
The time article has pictures of them both, and without seeing their faces I don't think I could say for sure which one it was. Which I think explains why the university made an error, if one was made.
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University of Chicago Photographic Archive labels this photo, Bernie Sanders, a member of the steering committee, stands next to George Beadle, University of Chicago president, at a CORE meeting on housing sit-ins in 1962.
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Bruce Rappaport at the University of Chicago in the early 1960s. Richard Schmitt
http://time.com/4108379/bernie-sanders-photo-civil-rights/
What matters is that Sanders was doing what he claims he was at that time, and he was. There's nothing much to this but some people digging to try and make hay over any little.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)sorechasm
(631 posts)They do look remarkably similar though.
For Bruce Rappaport, Note the small ringlets in his hair, his square glasses that do not touch his nostrils (like Bernie's do), the chin to neck angle is a much wider angle, the ear is much wider (Bernie's is taller and narrower). The photo in question is of a young Bernie Sanders, not Bruce Rappaport.
The sweater is a dead giveaway. I think it's the same sweater, which would not be surprising considering Bernie only owned one suit when elected mayor.
The claims that the photo is not Bernie is based upon the 'curve of his neck'. Yet, the photo comparison provided by herding cats shows their neck curvatures are nearly identical.
DeltaLitProf
(771 posts)Isn't it true that no two human ears are alike in every detail? Wouldn't a comparison of ears pretty much decide the matter?
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Jarqui
(10,131 posts)University of Chicago Sit-In, 1962
APRIL 13, 2010 LADALE WINLING
http://www.urbanoasis.org/2010/04/13/university-of-chicago-sit-in-1962/
One of the items I found in the archive was this image of the sit-in, including Bernie Sanders (standing). Since I am a big supporter of the Senator, and am in DC on a research fellowship, I got two prints of the image and went down to his office on Capitol Hill. I left them with his staff with an explanatory note and a request for a signature on one (the other for him to keep in his papers if he wanted). Today I went and picked this up his staff reported he was pleased with my gift.
And his earlier post found this picture during research in 2008
http://www.urbanoasis.org/2008/11/02/surprises-in-the-archive/
Researching university histories and campus planning I frequently come across pretty significant surprises in the archives. There was the one about Arthur Miller and Charles Walgreen. There was another where a prominent historian expressed support for limited segregation. Now, as I was preparing for a presentation of some of my research at the Urban History Association conference, I was searching for images of a student sit-in at the University of Chicago in 1962. I found a few, along with another tidbit in this image. One of the members of the steering committee for the sit-in was the student standing at the left of this image, talking U.S. Senator from Vermont, Bernie Sanders.
So this picture was identified in 2008 and 2010 as being Sanders by this researcher who gave the picture to Bernie - long before Bernie declared his candidacy for 2016. Hardly a scam by Bernie's campaign IF this researcher was mistaken.
In those posts, he links a 2007 NY Times profile of Sanders
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/magazine/21Sanders.t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&sq=bernie%20sanders&st=cse&scp=2
that apparently used that picture that I found on Flickr (not in the article archive link)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanoasis/2996475328/in/photolist-5yMHHJ-rhpoLz-d9Umbe-9kACiB-xNBmbc-A34Xmg-nPgLg4-yHw68c-u16XM1
valerief
(53,235 posts)clearly by Bernie in the picture right before this picture comes up (at the 1:23 mark) is EXACTLY the same as the one worn at the picture in question (note the collar).
I guess they shared clothes. huh?
Welcome to my Forever Ignored Club.
McKim
(2,412 posts)This sounds so much like when Kerry was swift boated by a bunch of his old buddies. It is raising a stink and lying to distract the campaign from its main efforts which should be to get out the work on the platform. I would venture that it really was Bernie,
as it fits with his history. But Hillary, she was being a Goldwater Girl at the time?
navarth
(5,927 posts)It's obviously the Swift Boat Photographers For Truth at work here.
daleo
(21,317 posts)Billsmile
(404 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)Prove it Skippy prove it . Oh and enjoy your 15 seconds of douchedumb .
chowder66
(9,108 posts)The sweater and neckline match, the other picture is of him at the Uni of Chicago same day most likely; hence the same sweater and shirt. The ears are different and Bernies matches the speaker photo. The jawline is different, again Bernie's fits the pic better. The posture and raised eyebrow/wide eyed, hand up expression are quintessential Bernie.
Rappaport's lip is closer to his nose and they both go a bit upward (when looking at the area between the nose and mouth, I think it's evident it's Bernie) and Rappaport's ears are thicker.
olddots
(10,237 posts)these two people are not named ......well la de dah .
olddots
(10,237 posts)Mr. 36 posts Hillary fan .
WhiteHat
(129 posts)But if this horseshit is the best they can do, then maybe, just maybe, Bernie's life-long point of view can't be stained and trivialized by The Powers.
You want to beat Bernie, do it with facts, not innuendo and propaganda.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)I would say that's Sanders nose. How it got on someone else is a puzzle.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Wibly
(613 posts)Pure cow poop.
Dirty pool over an inconsequential assertion. There is no question Sanders was involved. What's more, the picture is Sanders, wearing his favourite sweater.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)It appaears to be an old matter that TIME magazine is dredging up again. From the article:
There was just one problem: Four University of Chicago alumni who went to school with Sanders tell TIME they believe that the dramatic photo of Sanders, which his campaign has featured on its website and in a promotional video, is not in fact a photograph of Sanders. An archivist at the University of Chicago agreed in January that Sanders was not the speaker in the photo, though the schools official decision on the mans identity is still pending.
January.
fbc
(1,668 posts)Who cares if a photo was mislabeled?
But I hope this blows up because it is a great segue to revisit Clinton's claims of being under fire in Bosnia.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)but that doesn't mean he wasn't a speaker at the meeting. Captions in photos are the reporter's problem and the photog's.
So what?
yardwork
(61,795 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Would that the phrase, "hey, nobody's perfect" be consistently applied to the classmate as well would illustrate a much less biased, much more objective perspective.
But hey... "nobody's perfect..."
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Every description of the event says he was there. So they misidentified a guy with glasses. This is nonsense like trying to pick on the Hillary Marine story.