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Zorro

(15,773 posts)
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 11:23 AM Dec 2011

Chavez sees US hand in Russia protests

Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez has blamed the US for being behind the recent wave of protests in Russia against the outcome of the Dec 4 parliamentary elections.

Chavez Wednesday said the US was attempting to destabilize Russia, and repeat the scenario in Egypt, Libya, Syria and the nations of South America.

'There goes the madness of the empire,' Chavez said on Venezuela de Television.

Political rallies have been held all across Russia since the disputed Duma elections, the largest of which, in Moscow, drew tens of thousands of protesters in an unprecedented display of opposition.

More at: http://in.news.yahoo.com/chavez-sees-us-hand-russia-protests-102856512.html

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Chavez sees US hand in Russia protests (Original Post) Zorro Dec 2011 OP
We did this AND caused cancers in South American leaders? JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2011 #1
You beat me to it! MADem Dec 2011 #14
A little close for comfort for the minor Mussolini. nt onehandle Dec 2011 #2
paranoid vminfla Dec 2011 #3
Prensa Latina posted that 18 hours ago dipsydoodle Dec 2011 #4
Nice way to diss the Russian people, Hugo. Adsos Letter Dec 2011 #5
It bothers me how widespread the attitude is, too Posteritatis Dec 2011 #18
What bothers me more is that the US is getting credit for it! joshcryer Dec 2011 #28
yes, correct. the US gov is NOT responsible for these worldwide popular movements Bacchus4.0 Dec 2011 #38
No, you don't understand, Trotskyites don't believe protest is legitimate. joshcryer Dec 2011 #24
He's starting to lose his mind treestar Dec 2011 #6
Starting? Freddie Stubbs Dec 2011 #8
:) treestar Dec 2011 #9
It's the CIA's fault DissedByBush Dec 2011 #16
Dang, he's making fun of us again! nt bemildred Dec 2011 #7
Hehe! CJvR Dec 2011 #10
I think the US-backed 2003 coup attempt made him neurotically paranoid. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #13
Nah, it's a common theme among "anti-imperialists." They need something for their... joshcryer Dec 2011 #25
Chavez seemed quite reasonable until the coup attempt. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #31
Heck, a good portion of DU sees the US's hand in every shadow as well. PragmaticLiberal Dec 2011 #15
Gosh, he must have read McCain's tweet and believed it. tabatha Dec 2011 #11
I think he needs some antipsychotic meds. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #12
¿Por qué no te callas, Hugo? (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2011 #17
Waiting for the Chavez apologists to show up in this thread. n/t totodeinhere Dec 2011 #19
They seem to be late....I'll fill in for them till they show up... EX500rider Dec 2011 #20
Hasn't social media been leveraged by the Pentagon and the like? Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #21
Massive difference between this: joshcryer Dec 2011 #27
Wouldn't surprise me one damned bit. Another American-financed regime change. Same bullshit/ Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #22
I don't know what's funnier, Chavez playing the clown and ridiculing the USA, bemildred Dec 2011 #23
All the people buying it. Chavez has always said crap like this. joshcryer Dec 2011 #26
Yes, he clearly gets a kick out of it. nt bemildred Dec 2011 #29
And you can tell he's not serious. It's even more amusing to read Venezuelan's... joshcryer Dec 2011 #30
Yeah, them too. nt bemildred Dec 2011 #34
You know what's funnier? Thinking that US follows strict policy of non-interference Fool Count Dec 2011 #35
Who thinks that? USAID does what the CIA did, only openly. joshcryer Dec 2011 #36
That's just stupid and contrary to simple observation nt bemildred Dec 2011 #37
We had a hand in it, when we created the Friedman "free market" design for the Russia economy in the pam4water Dec 2011 #32
"Yo culpo a los Estados Unidos para el intestinos flojos" nt Dreamer Tatum Dec 2011 #33

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,419 posts)
1. We did this AND caused cancers in South American leaders?
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 11:28 AM
Dec 2011

Damn, we're GOOD!

But how did Hugo discover this?

Damn, HE's GOOD!

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
5. Nice way to diss the Russian people, Hugo.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 11:59 AM
Dec 2011

What, Russians aren't capable of being outraged without the US?

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
18. It bothers me how widespread the attitude is, too
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 02:33 PM
Dec 2011

Any protests anywhere these days get spun by people as the actions of American spies or some other silliness, no matter what else is going on, how long people have been pissed off, or what governments have done to deserve their ire. It's like so many people don't believe that mere foreigners have thoughts or plans or wishes of their own, but everything has to exist relative to the wishes of Washington for good or ill - as though nineteen out of twenty people on the planet aren't really autonomous individuals.

It's a massive, long-running, consistent denial of agency to the large majority of the planet's population, and the assumptions underlying it are a mix of offensive and disturbing.

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
28. What bothers me more is that the US is getting credit for it!
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 07:19 PM
Dec 2011

I mean, think about it, everyone saying all of these mass protests are US-spurred, are crediting the US for democratic actions around the globe! It's obscene! These people are self-determined! They're acting on their own! Maybe US technology helped it (internet, social media, and the like), but for the US to be the sole instigator?

RIDICULOUS!.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
38. yes, correct. the US gov is NOT responsible for these worldwide popular movements
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 01:22 PM
Dec 2011

of course Chavez believes these movements are a bad thing.

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
24. No, you don't understand, Trotskyites don't believe protest is legitimate.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 07:12 PM
Dec 2011

Unless that protest is against capitalism. Full stop.

 

DissedByBush

(3,342 posts)
16. It's the CIA's fault
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 02:21 PM
Dec 2011

We implanted a receiver in his tooth that gets activated by super-secret stealth satellites to make him say crazy things in order to discredit his revolution.

 

CJvR

(1,427 posts)
10. Hehe!
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 12:49 PM
Dec 2011

Chavez sees the US's hand in every shadow, and perhaps one day he will be right.

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
25. Nah, it's a common theme among "anti-imperialists." They need something for their...
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 07:13 PM
Dec 2011

...5 minutes hate, and imperialists are that thing that they chose.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
31. Chavez seemed quite reasonable until the coup attempt.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 09:27 PM
Dec 2011

After it he turned nutty. In that way the coup attempt still "worked" because now he embarrasses himself and makes other radical leftists in Latin America look bad by association.

tabatha

(18,795 posts)
11. Gosh, he must have read McCain's tweet and believed it.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 12:59 PM
Dec 2011

People in Russia, Egypt, Libya, Syria cannot think for themselves, and are wanting to replace one dictator with another (the US dictating that they should rise up).

I think Chavez has chem-brain.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
12. I think he needs some antipsychotic meds.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 01:03 PM
Dec 2011

First thinking that the US is giving Latin American leaders cancer, now this. Have you lost your mind, Hugo???

EX500rider

(10,903 posts)
20. They seem to be late....I'll fill in for them till they show up...
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 03:38 PM
Dec 2011

It's a mis-translation!

It's in the MSM, must be a lie!

We over threw Iran in 1953 so we must be doing this!

 

Boston_Chemist

(256 posts)
21. Hasn't social media been leveraged by the Pentagon and the like?
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 03:47 PM
Dec 2011

I recall various articles about the military getting on board on means to "weaponize" these tools. The real problem is, given Hugo's penchant for telling the truth, our own ability to tolerate cognitive dissonance. This tolerance is encouraged by the orgy of Hugo Derangement Syndrome seen in this thread.

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
27. Massive difference between this:
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 07:17 PM
Dec 2011


And this:



Social media can be a conduit.

But it not a replacement for activism.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
22. Wouldn't surprise me one damned bit. Another American-financed regime change. Same bullshit/
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:40 PM
Dec 2011

different year.

I'm so F tired of American regime change around the globe.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
23. I don't know what's funnier, Chavez playing the clown and ridiculing the USA,
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:59 PM
Dec 2011

or all the people buying it.

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
26. All the people buying it. Chavez has always said crap like this.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 07:14 PM
Dec 2011

This is truly nothing new for him.

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
30. And you can tell he's not serious. It's even more amusing to read Venezuelan's...
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 09:07 PM
Dec 2011

...taking him seriously over this kind of stuff.

 

Fool Count

(1,230 posts)
35. You know what's funnier? Thinking that US follows strict policy of non-interference
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 02:11 AM
Dec 2011

in other countries' internal affairs, that's what.

pam4water

(2,916 posts)
32. We had a hand in it, when we created the Friedman "free market" design for the Russia economy in the
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 09:28 PM
Dec 2011

late 1990s. A big part of Russia is worse off under laissez faire than it was under the communist. Might not be what Chavez meant but something to keep in mind!

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