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Wed Aug 26, 2015, 10:06 AM

 

Venezuela’s Food Shortages Trigger Long Lines, Hunger and Looting

Source: WSJ

LA SIBUCARA, Venezuela—Hours after they looted and set fire to a National Guard command post in this sun-baked corner of Venezuela earlier this month, a mob infuriated by worsening food shortages rammed trucks into the smoldering edifice, reducing it mostly to rubble.

The incident was just one of numerous violent clashes that have flared in pockets around the country in recent weeks as Venezuelans wait for hours in long supermarket lines for basics like milk and rice. Shortages have made hunger a palpable concern for many Wayuu Indians who live here at the northern tip of Venezuela’s 1,300-mile border with Colombia.

‘We are going very hungry here and the children are suffering a lot.’
—María Palma, 55, of La Sibucara
The soldiers had been deployed to stem rampant food smuggling and price speculation, which President Nicolás Maduro blames for triple-digit inflation and scarcity. But after they seize contraband goods, the troops themselves often become targets of increasingly desperate people.

“What’s certain is that we are going very hungry here and the children are suffering a lot,” said María Palma, a 55-year-old grandmother who on a recent blistering hot day had been standing in line at the grocery store since 3 a.m. before walking away empty-handed at midday.

Read more: http://www.wsj.com/articles/venezuelas-food-shortages-trigger-long-lines-hunger-and-looting-1440581400



Maduro's approval rating is lower than George W Bush's and Congress. If THAT doesn't spell "failure" I dont know what does.
It's only a matter of time before the people rise against the criminals running their country into the ground, imo.

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Reply Venezuela’s Food Shortages Trigger Long Lines, Hunger and Looting (Original post)
7962 Aug 2015 OP
Marrah_G Aug 2015 #1
ieoeja Aug 2015 #4
Throd Aug 2015 #5
snooper2 Aug 2015 #6
leftynyc Aug 2015 #7
ieoeja Aug 2015 #8
leftynyc Aug 2015 #9
christx30 Aug 2015 #10
Freddie Stubbs Aug 2015 #21
Dr. Strange Aug 2015 #41
Name removed Aug 2015 #43
Dr. Strange Aug 2015 #44
Amishman Aug 2015 #33
7962 Aug 2015 #12
ieoeja Aug 2015 #17
7962 Aug 2015 #19
ieoeja Aug 2015 #27
EX500rider Aug 2015 #30
Recursion Aug 2015 #36
hack89 Aug 2015 #23
Freddie Stubbs Aug 2015 #20
ieoeja Aug 2015 #22
hack89 Aug 2015 #24
Adrahil Aug 2015 #25
EX500rider Aug 2015 #31
christx30 Aug 2015 #34
Bacchus4.0 Aug 2015 #35
Marrah_G Aug 2015 #28
hughee99 Aug 2015 #42
Hortensis Aug 2015 #2
joshcryer Aug 2015 #3
Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #11
7962 Aug 2015 #13
Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #14
7962 Aug 2015 #15
Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #29
EX500rider Aug 2015 #32
Recursion Aug 2015 #37
Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #38
Recursion Aug 2015 #39
Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #40
whatthehey Aug 2015 #16
Throd Aug 2015 #18
COLGATE4 Aug 2015 #26

Response to 7962 (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 10:37 AM

1. It is disgusting that this is allowed to happen

We have an amazing, plentiful planet and hunger is something we could completely stop if there was a collective will.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 10:54 AM

4. We are doing it to them on purpose.

 


The United States tried the usual coup strategy. But Chavez outwitted the US. So we switched to market manipulation to bring down the Venezuela government. Chave is gone, but even if he were still there I'm not sure there is much he could do short of implementing a full scale dictatorship and simply forcing people to raise the necessary crops. Cuba has proven that communism can work even if it does not work as well as people may want.

Venezuela is being forced to abandon socialism. They can go either communist or unfettered capitalist. Not sure the geniuses running our national security realize that they may be pushing Venezuela to embrace full scale communism. It seems our national security apparatus is becoming increasingly myopic.


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Response to ieoeja (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 11:04 AM

5. Or Maduro is an incompetent dolt running a corrupt regime.

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 11:11 AM

6. you actually believe that...

 

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 11:30 AM

7. Sigh

 

Another whine about how the US is the cause for the ills all over the planet. How about Maduro is a fucking asshole who doesn't know what the fuck he's doing? Did you consider that before assigning the blame to the US?

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 11:39 AM

8. You seriously believe that after the failed coup attempt, we decided to do ... nothing?

 


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Response to ieoeja (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 11:52 AM

9. Spare me

 

I don't care what we did or didn't do. Maduro is still an incompetent asshole - he's an embarrassment.

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 11:52 AM

10. You think a government can

expropriate anything it wants, refuse to abide by contracts, not pay its bills, impose draconian currency and price controls, and people will still do business with it?
We don't need to do anything against them. Maduro is screwing up his country just fine without us.
I know if I sold anything, I'd rather keep it here in the States in a warehouse that attempt to sell it down there. Maduro's people would probably steal it.

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 03:10 PM

21. So, what exactly are we doing that is causing Venezuela trouble?

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 12:33 PM

41. Letting Maduro run the country.

I believe the CIA refers to it as "Project: Sit Back and Watch Maduro Run the Country".

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Response to Name removed (Reply #43)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 01:49 PM

44. That's the irony, isn't it?

If Maduro gets elected, it's Venezuela deciding for themselves. But when Venezuela reaps any negative consequences of his policies, it's because of US intervention.

Obama and the CIA are so sneaky!

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:10 AM

33. so our government is incompetent in other foreign intervention attempts but ninjas in VZ?

If the CIA really was this good at disrupting countries; then Cuba, Iran, North Korea, and countless other historically hostile nations would have fallen apart decades ago.

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 12:46 PM

12. "Cuba has proven that communism can work.." Comedy GOLD right there!

 

All I've been hearing is how Cuba has suffered SO much because of our 1-country embargo, now you're saying Cuba is a success story?

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Response to 7962 (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 02:39 PM

17. They have suffered much. But they have also succeeded *as a sovereign nation*.

 


Cuba survived the embargo for decades. Obama is simply recognizing the fact that Cuba is going to survive no matter how long we kept it up. So to that extent, yes, their government "worked".


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Response to ieoeja (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 02:55 PM

19. So has North Korea

 

They, like Cuba, gets tons of supplies from other countries to prop them up. Cuba has floundered since the Russians cut back their support.
Sure the country still exists, hardly a communist victory

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Response to 7962 (Reply #19)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:12 PM

27. But they have maintained their sovereignty. That is all I am saying.

 


I never said it was a "good" option. I just said it was doable. They could go communist (or fascist, we know that works too) and operate as a self contained entity.

This thread, lest we get too far off topic, is about people starving in Venezuela. Venezuela was exporting more food than they imported. They can certainly feed themselves.

If people are starving it is because the current model, capitalism, is not currently working for the country. You know perfectly well that capitalism works pretty darn good. It is my belief that it is not currently working in Venezuela because the United States and our allies are gaming the system not to work because Venezula nationalized the oil industry. Hence the two options: (1) unfettered capitalism or (2) totalitarianism (communist, fascist, whatever brand floats their boat).

And if they go the communist route, and if we are gaming the system as would be our normal response to the failed coup, it will be largely our fault for forcing them to the above 2 choices.

Which brings us back to Cuba! They only went full bore communist because we declared them our enemy. We've seen this picture before.


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Response to ieoeja (Reply #27)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:43 PM

30. "because Venezuela nationalized the oil industry."

They nationalized their oil back in the 1970's About 70% of the oil producing countries have. Are we trying to destabilize all those countries too?

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #27)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:40 AM

36. PDVSA was formed 40 years ago

That's a surprisingly delayed reaction on the illuminati's part.

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:02 PM

23. Actually no - Cuba realized how fucked they really were economically

Cuba recognized that the billions in annual subsidies they get from Venezuela to keep their economy afloat was coming to an end. They knew that without aligning their economy with the US economy, they soon would be swinging from the lampposts during the second Cuban revolution.

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 03:08 PM

20. What specific actions are the US government taking that is causing Venezuela problems?

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 03:58 PM

22. Don't work for the NSA. Of course, if I did I wouldn't admit it. I certainly wouldn't answer you.

 


So I will make guesses instead!

#1. We declared them our enemy. Being an enemy of the United States makes a country look extremely unattractive to foreign investors.

#2. The coup attempt. Instability makes a country look extremely unattractive to foreign investors.

#3. There was very little fluctuation in the Venezuelan currency before the coup. The fluctuation began afterwards.

I am familar with a company that, at the height of Chavez' rule, was doing more business in Venezuela than the rest of Latin America combined (despite #1 and #2 above). But because of the currency issues, they made less in VZ than in any one of the other Latin American countries by itself.

I would bet that we are gaming the currency market with regards to the Bolivar.

#4. Read Confessions of an Economic Hit Man for more possibilities.


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Response to ieoeja (Reply #22)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:04 PM

24. Their currency problems are self inflicted

as they implemented crazy currency laws to artificially inflate the value of the Bolivar.

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #22)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:05 PM

25. FFS.. You know why businesses are avoiding VZ?

 

Because if they are lucky enough to not have their property outright seized and nationalized, they are unlikely to ever get paid.

I swear to Jeebus.....

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #22)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:46 PM

31. "We declared them our enemy."

So their biggest export and import partner (the US) is out to get them somehow?

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #22)

Thu Aug 27, 2015, 10:12 AM

34. We've been enemies with Iran for

40 years. They aren't falling apart. Maybe because they have people that know what they're doing.
The real reason investors are scared of Venezuela is because they don't pay their creditors. They outright steal every foreign owned thing they can get their hands on. All in the name of the "revolution".
No foreign investor is going to risk it. Honestly, do you blame them? I wouldn't lend a junkie, no matter how bad things are for him.
They can solve this by changing some laws. I'm not talking about fully embracing capitalism and slobbering at the tear of the U.S. I'm talking a relaxation of a few controls that are in the way of anyone making any money there. If there is no money, no reason to go there.

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #22)

Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:20 PM

35. The Ven government implemented the price controls and exchange rate, not the US nt

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:32 PM

28. Human beings, not specifically Americans.

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 12:37 PM

42. Yeah! Damn you George Bush!

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 10:48 AM

2. Those poor people. With national wealth largely concentrated in the hands of a few, much of the

populace was still living in poverty, and many desperately poor, despite Venezuela's extravagant oil wealth. Now, what do people with no savings DO as their economy collapses along with world oil prices, their currency devalued, their jobs gone, inflation soars, and food shortages grow? No wonder they're beginning to worry that starvation is a real possibility.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 10:54 AM

3. The most tragic thing is how they wasted oil windfalls.

And implemented the exact wrong policies.

Venezuela could be doing better than Colombia and Chile combined.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 12:28 PM

11. And here goes another victim of the American foreign policy disaster, destroy rape and pillage.

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 12:46 PM

13. So its Obama's fault. Wow.

 

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Response to 7962 (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 01:11 PM

14. This rash of American foreign policy started waaaaaaayyyyyyy before Obama.

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 01:39 PM

15. Well, Obama has been here for 7 yrs and Maduro for 2.

 

You cant put this blame on us. At all. The "revolution" is a farce and will implode soon enough.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #15)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:33 PM

29. With all the military involvement in the toppling of gvts all over the world, no doubt it's a spawn

of the us, esp since Chavez called bush the devil. They want that oil!!!! It's all about the oil, baby!

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #29)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:47 PM

32. They already send us their oil...

......as we are both their largest export & import partner.

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #29)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:42 AM

37. We already get their oil

Never been to a Citgo?

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Response to Recursion (Reply #37)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:02 PM

38. I remember Citgo. Chavez nationalized much of Venezuelas oil.

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #38)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 07:29 PM

39. No, Venezuela nationalized its oil in the 1970s

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Citgo is the American arm of their national oil company

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Response to Recursion (Reply #39)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:50 PM

40. Ok, privatization then.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 02:06 PM

16. It's fuck all to do with US policy why they are running out of food

It's entirely because Venezuela will not allow what little real currency they have to leave the country so suppliers aren't being paid. The US is perfectly fine with companies like my employer shipping to Venezuela. We just prefer to be paid for it.

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Response to whatthehey (Reply #16)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 02:40 PM

18. My biggest client is expanding all over Central and South America.

Except for Venezuela for some reason.

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Response to Throd (Reply #18)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:08 PM

26. Hard to imagine why. nt

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