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b.durruti

(102 posts)
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 09:24 AM Aug 2015

New York Police Sergeant Commits Suicide After Sex-Crime Charges

Source: New York Times

A New York police sergeant who was arrested this month on charges that he had sex with an underage girl he met online committed suicide on Thursday, the police said.

The sergeant, Joel Doseau, 43, who was suspended after his arrest, killed himself at his home in Canarsie, Brooklyn, a police official said. Earlier, the official had said he died at a home of a relative.

A family member went to the sergeant’s home after he had not been heard from for a few days and discovered his body. The official said the sergeant had inhaled gas fumes and appeared to have died from asphyxiation.

Sergeant Doseau was arrested on Aug. 5 and arraigned in State Supreme Court in Brooklyn on 40 criminal counts, including rape and sexual abuse. He had worked for the Police Department for 12 years at the time of his arrest.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/21/nyregion/new-york-police-sergeant-commits-suicide-after-sex-crime-charges.html

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New York Police Sergeant Commits Suicide After Sex-Crime Charges (Original Post) b.durruti Aug 2015 OP
Suicide Prevention Hotline Links, Lifeline, 1-800-273-8255 mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2015 #1
Thank you for this information yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #2
x1000 NuclearDem Aug 2015 #3
The information is good Demit Aug 2015 #4
To be fair, I would've likely posted something along those lines. 7962 Aug 2015 #5
I don't mean to pile on, but I object to likening suicide to cowardice. closeupready Aug 2015 #8
+1. candelista Aug 2015 #9
No, a "coward who preyed on children" is what I said. 7962 Aug 2015 #12
What's "cowardly" about avoiding punishment? candelista Aug 2015 #13
Ok, not sure I entirely agree, but I understand your point. closeupready Aug 2015 #16
Well, I don't. candelista Aug 2015 #17
... closeupready Aug 2015 #21
They're backed into a corner and rather than going to jail they commit suicide Wernothelpless Aug 2015 #14
A diamond thief who fled to Brazil to avoid arrest would not be called "cowardly." candelista Aug 2015 #18
Many criminals have been called "cowards" for fleeing, 7962 Aug 2015 #23
Accepting just punishment may be a virtue, and avoiding it a vice, but... candelista Aug 2015 #27
Ok, in this thread's context (and the one you relate), it makes some sense. closeupready Aug 2015 #20
I was objecting to the OP's snotty presumption that everyone would. Demit Aug 2015 #10
OP didn't say everyone would. You read it wrong. Kaleva Aug 2015 #11
You should have stopped at "The information is good". n/t eggplant Aug 2015 #6
As someone who has faced the abyss I appreciate your post CBGLuthier Aug 2015 #7
Chances are he didn't treat his loved ones any better ... Wernothelpless Aug 2015 #19
Considering the alternative left-of-center2012 Aug 2015 #15
How do you say, "No," to a cop? Poor girl. nt valerief Aug 2015 #22
Did you ever see the film, "Bad Lieutenant"? closeupready Aug 2015 #24
Yes, years ago. Can't remember much except it was unpleasant. nt valerief Aug 2015 #26
Oh, what a shame. Oneironaut Aug 2015 #25

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,427 posts)
1. Suicide Prevention Hotline Links, Lifeline, 1-800-273-8255
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 09:34 AM
Aug 2015

Last edited Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:12 AM - Edit history (2)

Before we get the inevitable post saying that "he did everyone a favor," I'm going to reprint this information. It's time, too, because I haven't posted the links to suicide prevention hotlines since April.

From the College of William & Mary:

About Suicide

According to national resources such as the Jed Foundation and the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention (AFSP), one in ten college students has at one time considered suicide, and suicide is the third leading cause of death nationally among those 15-24 years of age. Almost all who die by suicide are suffering from an emotional disorder, most commonly depression. As the AFSP notes, "90% of all people who die by suicide have a diagnosable psychiatric disorder at the time of their death." Therefore, identifying and treating these illnesses is especially important; someone with an untreated emotional disorder may be more likely to attempt suicide in the wake of stressful life events.

Recognizing Warning Signs

The most effective way to help in preventing suicide is to recognize warning signs, take those signs seriously, and respond appropriately. Fortunately, people who are suicidal CAN be helped with the proper treatment. Common warning signs of suicide include:
•Hopelessness
•Rage, uncontrolled anger or seeking revenge
•Acting recklessly or engaging in risky activities, seemingly without thinking
•Feeling trapped, like there is no way out
•Increased alcohol or drug use
•Withdrawing from friends, family, and society
•Anxiety, agitation, inability to sleep or sleeping all the time
•Dramatic mood changes
•Expressing no reason for living or no purpose in life
•Inability to see the future without pain
•Inability to make decisions or think clearly
•Decision to stop taking prescribed medication for depression or other psychological disorder
•Recurrent thoughts of death or suicide

How To Respond if You are Concerned About Someone
•DO Listen and offer support in a non-judgmental way
•DO Help the person explore feelings
•DO Widen options and explore alternatives for problem solving
•DO Ask direct questions about the person's intentions; ask if the person is considering suicide
•DO Communicate your concern for the person's well being
•DO Recommend that the person contact a mental health professional
•DO Call a professional yourself and offer to accompany the person to an initial appointment
•DO Call the police if you believe the risk of suicide is immediate
•DON'T say "everything will be alright"
•DON'T dare the person to "do it"
•DON'T tell the person about someone who "has it worse"
•DON'T promise secrecy to the suicidal person
•DON'T leave the person alone if you believe the risk of suicide is imminent

From June 2014: Need help? In the U.S. or Canada, call 1-800-273-8255

National Suicide Prevention Lifeline



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ETA this comment to the article at Gawker:

Mississippi Tea Party Leader Commits Suicide After Conspiracy Arrest

jtstillwater {responding to Allie Jones}
Yesterday 12:18pm

Before anyone jokes about this guy's suicide, I should say that whenever someone with a mental illness (hi!) reads about a suicide, there's a certain amount of fear — the thought process is sort of like, "Well I always tell myself I wouldn't do it, but clearly some people do, so what's saying that won't change?"

No question he did something awful, no question his political beliefs are unreasonable. But suicide is a horror.

Suicide prevention hotline: 1-800-273-8255

And, yes, I do find this scary.

April really is the cruelest month (if I am not mistaken):

The Season of Renewal and Suicide

Dec. 7 2012 3:12 PM
Why are people more likely to kill themselves in springtime than during the holidays?

By Brian Palmer

The suicide rate does not peak during the holidays, and the media should stop saying it does, according to a report released Tuesday by the Annenberg Public Policy Center. In fact, the suicide rate is highest in spring and summer. The holiday suicide-spike myth persists because it has a convenient narrative: Lonely people become despondent around Christmastime. So why do people kill themselves in the spring?

Possibly because they interact more. Doctors first observed in the 1820s that suicide rates spike during late spring. Researchers have since postulated and tested all sorts of explanations for the global phenomenon, making this one of the most studied questions in psychiatry. There’s still no consensus, but evidence suggests it has to do with so-called sociodemographic factors. During the winter, many people go into semihibernation: They work less, see fewer people, and are exposed to less frustration and conflict. That all changes in the spring, when increased interaction with others and the stress of work may trigger suicidal thoughts. The theory is based on a couple of observations. First, the spring suicide peak is more pronounced among people employed on farms or in factories who experience greater seasonal variation in the intensity of work and social interactions. In addition, developing countries with a higher proportion of agricultural workers see more seasonal change in the suicide rate than do developed countries. The magnitude of seasonal changes in the suicide rate is more than 10 times higher in Uruguay, for example, than in Belgium. Researchers have also detected a smoothing out of the seasonal variation in suicides in recent decades as more people move from farm to office. (There are smaller peaks in other parts of the year. Cubicle workers are more likely to commit suicide in the fall than in the spring, as are mothers who send their children off to school in September.)

In Britain: Male suicide rates: 'My father left and took his own life'

13 April 2015 Last updated at 09:38 BST

....
Are you affected by this?

Samaritans provides emotional support, 24 hours a day for people who are experiencing feelings of distress or thoughts of suicide

Its number is 08457 90 90 90

Rethink Mental Illness has more than 200 mental health services and 150 support groups across England.

Its number is 0300 5000 927

List of suicide crisis lines
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
2. Thank you for this information
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 09:58 AM
Aug 2015

Suicide is something that does not descriminate and happens in any situation of economics, ethnic, cultures anyone. I had an aunt who committed suicide at 44 in 1995. Horrible thing.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
4. The information is good
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:10 AM
Aug 2015

The unnecessary snottiness about what you think people will inevitably say is not. Why be belligerent when your purpose is to be helpful?

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
5. To be fair, I would've likely posted something along those lines.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:12 AM
Aug 2015

The guy was a coward who preyed on children, so no sympathy here.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
9. +1.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 11:04 AM
Aug 2015

Although having to do a bit for statutory rape does not seem to me to be a price worse than death. But that's how it seemed to him at the time.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
12. No, a "coward who preyed on children" is what I said.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:30 PM
Aug 2015

Children are defenseless.
But I do think theres a big difference between someone killing themselves for seemingly no reason and doing it because you know you're going to go to jail. The former likely has some mental issues. The latter is trying to avoid punishment

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
21. ...
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:25 PM
Aug 2015

I guess he's saying that since it's likely he knew what he was doing was wrong and that he'd be punished severely, meaning his life is basically over, he chose to end his life now rather than 'man up'.

Nonetheless, I've seen people compare suicide to cowardice in all kinds of different situations, and I find it offensive. I actually worked on a suicide hotline many years ago, so perhaps I'm 'over'-sensitized to the comparison.

Wernothelpless

(410 posts)
14. They're backed into a corner and rather than going to jail they commit suicide
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:58 PM
Aug 2015

Had a distant family member who had been a sex criminal all his life, when he finally was really really caught, and going to do 50 years in prison he committed suicide ... but ONLY because he was going to jail ...

Games over, the jig is up, and so they kill themselves ... you can call it cowardice or not but going to jail wasn't in their fantasy

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
18. A diamond thief who fled to Brazil to avoid arrest would not be called "cowardly."
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:04 PM
Aug 2015

Is it only "cowardly" to avoid punishment if you're a sex criminal?

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
23. Many criminals have been called "cowards" for fleeing,
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 04:18 PM
Aug 2015

for all kinds of crimes. Killers, rapists, scammers, etc. They're refusing to be held accountable for their actions
Didnt your parents teach you about taking responsibility for your actions when you were growing up? Or did they say "Do whatever it takes to avoid being punished for doing something wrong"?

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
27. Accepting just punishment may be a virtue, and avoiding it a vice, but...
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:37 PM
Aug 2015

I don't think "cowardly" is the right word. Are people who break out of prison "cowards"? Bad guys, yes. Dangerous guys, yes. But "cowards"? That seems queer to me. Especially when they may take great risks to escape and avoid their punishment.

This is what people call a semantic question, but it's interesting, isn't it?

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
11. OP didn't say everyone would. You read it wrong.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 11:33 AM
Aug 2015

OP said "Before we get the inevitable post saying..," which is singular.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
7. As someone who has faced the abyss I appreciate your post
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:37 AM
Aug 2015

Even if this man was a lowly piece of shit I imagine his loved ones would rather he had faced up to his misdeeds and still were alive. I think Hitler was the last asshole to blow his brains out that no one and I mean no one should give a shit about.

Wernothelpless

(410 posts)
19. Chances are he didn't treat his loved ones any better ...
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:04 PM
Aug 2015

Anyone who has had a predator in their family (speaking for my own personal history) is relieved when they're gone so they won't be bothering any more young people ever, ever, ever again ...

They may have an old delusional mother or grandmother, but by and large it's a huge sigh of relief when they're finally in a place where they can never hurt someone again ...

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
15. Considering the alternative
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:59 PM
Aug 2015

Life in prison for a cop who had sex with a girl young enough to be his granddaughter would have been hell.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
24. Did you ever see the film, "Bad Lieutenant"?
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 04:41 PM
Aug 2015

With Harvey Keitel? Your post reminded me of that dark film.

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