Trump Would Deport All Undocumented Immigrants

[DonViejo]

Source: PoliticalWire/NBC

Donald Trump told NBC News that, as president, he would rescind President Obama’s executive orders on immigration and deport all undocumented immigrants.

Said Trump: “The executive order gets rescinded. We’re going to keep the families together, but they have to go.”

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Read more: http://politicalwire.com/2015/08/15/trump-would-deport-all-undocumented-immigrants/

[underpants]

1. Uh you might want to clear that with Big Agra and the meat processors

They are here because their is a demand for them and they are openly recruited

[dieter]

13. And the hospitality and home care and landscaping industries.

Who's going to clean all the hotel and motel rooms and who's going to take care of granny if he deports them all?

Of course, it's just so much pandering to the xenophobic base. Many of them who probably employ undocumented persons for tasks they don't want to do. That they find "beneath" them.

[candelista]

16. American citizens would do these jobs if paid well.

Plenty of low income Americans of all races would apply.

[underpants]

62. If and no

Not to be contentious but the employers like people who are vulnerable - no complaints, no going to court, no unions (Vegas actually deals well with unions in the hospitality industry).

[trillion]

69. No they wouldn't. I know because I owned a house keeping agency.

[Marrah_G]

88. Yes we would

[trillion]

100. Where were you when I needed employees? I had very few whites ever apply and none stuck around even

a week. I ended up with a bunch of dependable Latinos. I was always hiring as the business was expanding so I actually do know first hand. The rest of these people, are pulling their info out of their arse. You may FEEL you would, but when it comes to reality, I know.
That said, I closed my business because I couldn't stand the rich women. I had way too many converstations with people I couldn't stand. I didn't like how they treated my employees either. One of the women who worked for me opened a house cleaning business. I regret I didn't just give her mine as I decided to close the business a good 6 months before I actually did and it would have been an easy handoff. Think about that, I actually did close a successful business because I couldn't stand my customers.

[Marrah_G]

101. I live in new england

I would take any job I could physically do, if it paid a living wage.

[trillion]

102. I paid $15 per hour and it was 2006 then. Thats why the $15 groups are demanding now seems too low

to me.

[Marrah_G]

104. 15 should be the bare minimum

Right now I am working at the same job i've had for 12 years, but my hours were cut in half due to the recession. Jobs in my field are being offered now at half of what I make per hour. So I've started crocheting and sewing to try and make extra money.

[trillion]

103. No you actually don't know. I know for a fact from an employer perspective.

I doubt you would stick around for work that makes you bend over all day and your back hurt. But carry on with your theory that you're acting like is real truth. I know better and I know too many agencies that are still going. Very very few white women will apply and even fewer stay. For me, not one stayed.
There's a reason all those strawberries rotted a few years back when the republicans stopped migrants coming over the boarder.

[Hortensis]

111. The likelihood of Trump eviscerating our workforce was my first reaction too. About 0. But

his election might theoretically give him the power to carry out his promise by reforming our "guest" worker programs so jobs are available only for those enter legally (maybe even driving up safely and detouring to do a little sightseeing). This would be to everyone's benefit except those who hate that idea far more than their illegal presence, including, of course, certain employers.

Trillion, the team that dug and poured our foundation here in very white, conservative North Georgia is from below the border, legal or illegal I don't know. Their employer felt it necessary to explain, though, that he couldn't get competent locals to train in this very hard, uncomfortable work, even though his team leaders made $40-50K in good years. He didn't say what the grunts with the shovels were paid, but the relationship was good, and I know if one were hurt that guy'd contact his family to send someone ASAP to fill his position. Pre-2008 building crash, of course.

I just remembered how those guys sang as they worked away. They deserve respect and to be able to come up safely each year the U.S. has a job they're needed to fill. They worked standard hours with standard breaks, and I don't have a problem with their work ethic setting the standard for any locals who wanted those jobs.

[angrychair]

72. Not true

See Alabama: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/undocumented-workers-immigration-alabama

[jmowreader]

84. Even if they DIDN'T pay well, people would apply

[PSPS]

28. "pandering to the xenophobic base"

That's the thing that dooms any chance for the GOP winning the white house: Besides billionaires, their base consists solely of xenophobes/racists/bigots. So whoever "wins" the imprimatur of this group and emerges from the nomination, they will be doomed. That's why it is referred to as "the booby prize of the nomination."

Fortunately for the country, even vote suppression and other similar tactics used in the past can't work anymore because the demographics have shifted too far.

But don't expect the domestic corporate/state media to talk about this fact. It's in their interest to portray any race as a horse race where it's always "too close to call" based on fake polls and bloviating pundits. They have to do this to keep people tuning in and hearing/seeing their ads, as well as keep the campaigns buying ads.

[trillion]

70. +1000

[Hortensis]

112. Yes.

[underpants]

61. Great points

I tend to focus on the food business. You additions are key to those industries. Anthony Bourdain has been very outspoken on the importance of undocumented laborers in restaurants. Also let me add seafood - there is a lot of hiring done for really dangerous jobs out on the water.

Thanks dieter

[candelista]

108. Not so good.

Unless you want to replace all US food workers with illegal immigrants. And why would you want to do that?

[wordpix]

96. and the construction and road crews

[candelista]

109. Plenty of Americans would do these jobs if they paid well.

That's what should happen, right? American wages should go up, not down?

[Hortensis]

114. Candelista, the contractor who built our house was the best and most honorable in the area. He

employed the same excellent subcontractors for years and kept them busy, well treated, and well paid. Almost all were local and white, the exception being the foundation digging and framing crew and the plumber's assistant (dirty work!) Almost all the white locals were middle aged. The shrunken 78-year-old father of the framers (a crew of 3 very religious and highly principled brothers) came and climbed the ladders when they were framing the attic and roof (3-4 stories above the hillside dropping away) to keep it picked up and swept as safe as possible for them.

The subs for team after team told me they often looked for local young people to train in plumbing, electrical, roofing, carpentry, etc., and as mentioned foundation work, but, as said, none had takers. Their kids and their neighbors' kids wanted to work in offices, or whatever. There wasn't even one young relative among any of the well-paid crews.

This was right before 2008, so maybe things have changed. Money isn't the only thing people choose for, though, and what would have been required to pull unwilling kids to construction work would have been extreme. They just didn't want the jobs. And there aren't even many decent paying jobs in this semi-rural area. They'd have to leave to find them, but I know for a fact that many accepted low pay at local jobs instead.

[onehandle]

2. ATTENTION LATINOS! REPUBLICAN FRONTRUNNER Trump Would Deport All Undocumented Immigrants

Fixed that. Gotta remind Latinos what kind of man represents the entirety of the GOP.

Rinse Penis is having another bad morning.

[Sunlei]

3. republicans will deport 5-11 million? people, many who have been here for decades, entire life.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

31. Absolutely impossible task - even if there was the national will to do it

[RKP5637]

51. What's he plan to do, send the Gestapo in and go house to house asking for papers please.

The guy mouths things with little thought behind them and the impact on humanity.

[Sunlei]

80. republicans will keep it like it is today. Millions of people scared they can be picked-up & deporte

& deported to a country they have never known because they grew up in America.

Millions of people who are afraid to call the police. Millions of people who can't even travel outside the USA because they can't get home.

[KingCharlemagne]

92. Millions of people who pay taxes but get no political voice. Anyone here remember

"No taxation without representation" or is that historical sound byte now deemed quaint and obsolete, alongside things like the Geneva Conventions and the like?

[valerief]

60. Agriculture and Meat-Packing assassins will go after Trump before that happens.

They won't lose their cheap labor.

This is assuming hell freezes over and he's president.

[3catwoman3]

79. Maybe this is his...

...jobs plan.

[marmar]

4. He's full of it. He couldn't if he really wanted to ......

..... but this will play well with the braindead nativist racist base.

[RKP5637]

53. Exactly! He's a showman barker and a negotiator. He knows what to say to get the votes

from the fools. And sadly, the US is filled with fools IMO.

[FarPoint]

5. I'm sure this is their true goal but at a price....

I would foresee a national civil war erupt as a result.
So, that said...if I can figure that one out...so can they....So its just empty rhetoric fodder to the dumbfounded voters of his Party.

[KingCharlemagne]

93. I'm on the side of those who do the work, i.e., the Latinos, if it comes down

to a Civil War here in Los Angeles. Fuck the hipster dufuses (dufii?) and the parasitical trust-fund kids who haven't worked a day in their life.

[V0ltairesGh0st]

6. Oh trumpy....

......trumpy ...trumpy...trumpy.... Donald.... Have you announced Kim Jong Un as your running mate yet? Rodman is gonna be pissed.

[LiberalElite]

10. Love that AAACK!

I just set it as my desktop background.

[lastlib]

7. I don't suppose he'd let a little thing like a Constitution stand in his way.....

(Oh, yeah--that's just a "G-- D----- piece of paper"..............)

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[candelista]

17. Not unconstitutional. They can have a choice:

The kids can stay in the US, with relatives or foster parents. Or, it that is impossible or undesirable, they can go back to Mexico with Mom and Dad.
What is the Constitutional problem with that?

[JoePhilly]

27. Maybe you can start a Trump group on DU.

To discuss all of his great ideas.

Sure, send a 15 year old kid back to a country they've never lived in because there parents came here 14 years ago.

Fuck Trump.

[candelista]

30. That little piece of innuendo does not answer my point.

Why not calm down and say something relevant to the issue? You said something was "unconstitutional." Please explain why.

[JoePhilly]

32. I did not say it was unconstitutional.

You might want to try reading more closely.

Trump is a sick fuck who would separate families to get the votes of xenophobic RW whack jobs. Which is not unconstitutional, just disgusting.

He'd create a situation in which families are divided. A situation in which actual US citizens would either have to stay alone without family, or leave the only country they've ever known.

He'd do that to actual citizens.

As I said, Fuck Trump.

[Igel]

34. Yes.

But that's not something the Constitution stands in the way of. Candelista's point. She read just fine. Perhaps you didn't write what you meant.

However, it also pays to point out when both sides' hands are dirty. Many immigrant advocates push for reunification of families: Undocumented immigrants came here, leaving their parents, siblings, spouses, or offspring behind. This divided families and finds broad justification. In fact, the "guilty" in this scenario aren't those who actually divided the families in the first place--the scenario that you find so reprehensible. However, that blames the parents or brothers or children, and we need to think of them as innocent victims however much that deprives them of their ability to choose, a key point in being human. Instead, we blame those who fail to allow the families to reunite, which just happens to suit our domestic political struggle while also being properly humanitarian and good.

Of course, the families can reunite at any time simply by having the undocumented return to their families, but we can't say that and many find it impossible to think that. The only intended or thinkable "reunification" and the reason the US is the default Great Satan is because the terms of reunification must include having the families reunite in the US.

It's a tougher call when the divided families are divided two ways or even more: With kids in both countries, spouse in one but kids in the other, parents in one and spouse/kids in the other. Then a choice has to be made: Whether it's better to reunite where reunification is a simple matter (in the other country) or force a change in the US to allow reunification in the US, where we want them to stay either because we believe life is simply better in the Realm of the Great Satan or because we think they'll vote with us or help a demographic change that we want to see happen.

[JoePhilly]

36. You also need to learn to read ...

... the poster who claimed this was unconstitutional was not me.

Which is why I feel absolutely no need to make arguments or defend that claim when attacking Trump's idiotic plan.

There is no compelling reason to separate these families.

None. Unless RW xenophobia is now something liberals would like to accept and accommodate.

And I'm not sure why you keep calling America "the Great Satan" ... its not helping whatever point you think you are trying to make.

[David__77]

45. I understand your point.

And there are plenty of people in this country who would agree with deportation of those who have no legal basis for being in this country, particularly if the government provided financial/logistical support for minor US citizens to stay with them. To be clear, I do not support that. That said, there's nothing unconstitutional about this, that I can think of.

[lastlib]

58. Trumpo wants to deport children--who were BORN here.

That, my friend is a direct violation of the Fourteenth Amendment due process clause.

[Bradical79]

74. Aren't they entitled to due process?

You can't force a parent to give up their child like that without proving they are an unfit parent as far as I know, and forcefully deporting a citizen would be unconstitutional.

[alcibiades_mystery]

86. It is of course de facto forcible deportation of a citizen

But Trump and his supporters, and apparently candelista, who seems so sanguine and, you know, cool about the whole thing, don't really see these children as authentic American citizens.

Just as a reminder for people like candelista: a six year old born in Chicago to undocumented parents from Mexico is as much an American citizen as you are, as Chris Kyle's children, as Ronald Reagan himself was. That child is no less an American citizen than you.

How fucking dare these Trump supporters? My God.

[a la izquierda]

113. Are you for real?

I don't care if this gets hidden (it would be a first). You have NO idea what the hell you're talking about, and your crass disregard for families in desperate situations is fucking gross.
Relatives or foster parents? What is wrong with you?

[pipoman]

8. Who knew he was a pie-in-the-sky idiot to boot?

[candelista]

18. Why "pie in the sky"?

Do you think he is making a false promise of heaven by deporting all illegals? Does that seem desirable but impossible to you?

[Comrade Grumpy]

24. Have you pondered the logistics of finding and deporting millions of people?

Just how would you do that?

Mass sweeps through Hispanic communities? We'd have to turn our country into a police state to accomplish it.

So, yeah, his plan is pie in the sky. About as achievable as his wall along the border.

The president supports comprehensive immigration reform with a path to citizenship. That's what needs to be done.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

38. Besides tracking them down and making sure we got the right guys

you'd have to detain and house each of them, then issue a notice of removal proceedings to each one of them, then schedule a master calendar hearing with each of the 11 million appearing before an EOIR immigration judge, followed by the actual removal hearing several weeks later in which each case is handled by a government lawyer, where each immigrant can defend removal proceedings with his/her own lawyer, evidence, witnesses, and request for stay. It would cost a lot.

[candelista]

75. So your objection is that it is "impractical"?

The US can't protect its southern border because it's "impossible"? On the contrary, the US has plenty of technology that could handle all the problems you mention. It's just not being used except in a few cases.

But I thought you had a principled reason to allow open borders. I'd like to know what that is, and how you would answer Bernie Sanders point back in 2007:

Bernie Sanders Against Open Borders: "That Would Substantially Lower Wages In This Country"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/07/31/bernie_sanders_against_open_borders_that_would_substantially_lower_wages_in_this_country.html

As far as rounding people up is concerned, that's not necessary. Instead, enforce the rules for employers: every worker has to have a valid social security number. Without work, the illegal immigrants have no incentive to stay in the US. This would make a big dent in the problem. Of course it is not an absolutely complete solution.

But look, I don't have to explain all that to you, do I? You already know it.

[Person 2713]

77. Yes my fear too. Latin communities with plenty of legal Americans know Trump would

result in this I bet. I don't read Spanish but I notice a lot of the Spanish papers have had Tump on the covers over the summer . They are not oblivious Most reading those are probably Americans by birth or naturalized and won't vote to have their communities under constant patrol and raids until every last illegal is found. Around here that would include some Eastern European communities too. You have to ask How would that be accomplished?

[3catwoman3]

81. Is there a Spanish equivalent...

...for pogrom?

[treestar]

39. It's impossible

it would take more rescues and expense than we are willing to expend, plus most of them would be back or others come.

Our problem is our laws don't coincide with who wants to come very well. And who people already here want to have come here.

We need a law that goes along with the economic needs for migrants or fewer migrants. Now we have this hodgepodge that leaves people employable here as "illegals" who have no rights or can't stand up for them because they are afraid of deportation.

[Gothmog]

9. Trump is pandering to the racist/xenophobic idiots in the GOP base

[candelista]

20. He is also speaking to large numbers of Latino Americans....

...who have to pretend to be illegal to get a job. This happened to someone's mother right here on DU.

[JoePhilly]

37. So they want to be deported??

That what you are saying?

[candelista]

41. I am speaking of naturalized American citizens from Latin America.

Got it?

[JoePhilly]

48. Who pretend to be illegal ... which could get one deported ... no?

The idea that legal citizens are pretending to be here illegally is one of the most idiotic propositions I think I've ever seen posted on DU.

Only beaten by the suggestion that Trumps disgusting plan would help mitigate the problem caused by that same ridiculous premise.

Got it?

[treestar]

40. oh baloney

people who are legally allowed to work have access to the better jobs. That's why we need more people here legally so that they can demand equal access and force the employers to offer everyone legal wages and conditions. Make the jobs as desirable to Americans as they are to undocumented aliens. The reason these employers want undocumented aliens is that they can disregard the employment laws and figure an undocumented alien cannot complain to the government or they will be deported.

[candelista]

43. Why do you want to expand the labor supply when American wages are already so low?

Do you want to roll back all the gains of the US working class in the 20th Century? Why do you hate US citizens, Latino or otherwise, who work for a living? Do you understand the economic law of supply and demand? Do you understand that this applies to labor, too?

[treestar]

50. undocumented aliens wages are lower yet

the wages don't go up because the employer doesn't have to obey the laws and it's harder for them to get caught. You apparently don't understand the laws of supply and demand. The employer demands he who will work for the least and people who can't complain about violations of the laws are thus more desirable.

people who think deportation is going to make those employers offer good wages to Americans are dreaming. Instead put the US workers on equal playing field and that might work.

You have no right to accuse me of "hating US citizens" what bullshit. I will defend myself from emotionally manipulative fallacies.

[candelista]

83. That is why they have a dampening effect on wages of US citizens.

You seem to be the one who doesn't understand the laws of supply and demand. Greater supply reduces price. So American wages get reduced in competition with illegals. This has happened throughout the construction industry, hospitals, landscaping etc.

Deportation would reduce the labor supply and force up wages for US citizens.

And I still want to know why you hate US citizens. If you didn't hate them, you would not want to lose their jobs to foreign workers.

I am only saying what Bernie Sanders repeatedly said in 2013:

‘This is a massive effort to attract cheap labor.’ Why Sen. Bernie Sanders is skeptical of guest workers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/25/this-is-a-massive-effort-to-attract-cheap-labor-why-sen-bernie-sanders-is-skeptical-of-guest-workers/

Read the article. It might open your mind.

And I still want to know why you hate US citizens. If you didn't hate them, you would not want to lose their jobs to foreign workers.

[JoePhilly]

49. Apparently ...

... DU's Donald Trump group is going to be starting up soon.

[candelista]

110. Ridiculous.

Anyone who wants to protect the gains of the US working class for the past 100 years is therefore a Trump supporter?

That's pure fallacy. And I think you know it.

[div]“But here’s where I do have concerns: There is a reason why Wall Street and all of corporate America likes immigration reform, and it is not, in my view, that they’re staying up nights worrying about undocumented workers in this country. What I think they are interested in is seeing a process by which we can bring low-wage labor of all levels into this country to depress wages for Americans, and I strongly disagree with that.”

--Bernie Sanders
2013



http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/07/30/3686282/bernie-sanders-immigration/

[SoapBox]

11. They would love to try...as Domestic Terrorists, they don't care about

anything but what they want.

Fuck you, fuck immigrants, fuck the impact on farming, fuck the economic impact, fuck it all.

Don't be deluded into taking it as a joke...several of these evil, hate filled PukeBaggers would be puppets for the worst of America to use as a tool.

They must never gain control of the White House and need to be swept out of office at all Federal, State and local levels.

[candelista]

22. You post is so full of hatred and invective, I recoil from replying to it.

So I'll just say, you have a right to your opinion, however vitriolic it may be.

[Person 2713]

78. They are really swarming on local levels I noticed all th way down to school boards .

The target moderate republican areas around here now overwhelmingly with teabaggers in office
I still remember someone laughing when they first appeared in their tattered rally marches but I said don't laugh these people will vote and vote they did into our congress . Not a joke is spot on.

May they never infest the WH. Their hate is toxic for this country.
This stuff breeds more & much to their delight they can grow in hearts and then in minds until more people pull the lever for them in a voting booth

[Sophiegirl]

12. He'll have to start...

...with half of his own employees first.

[Jack Rabbit]

14. I'd deport the Donald if I could figure out which planet he came from

!!

[R Merm]

15. Let him start with all the Undocumented workers

who work in his hotels, on his construction sites and maintaining all his property. Can we then throw him in jail for employing undocumented immigrants?

[cosmicone]

19. Where will he get the money?

At a modest $1,000 per deportation, 11 million people would cost $11 billion to deport and would tax the nation's law enforcement agencies over capacity to the point they won't be able to fight any real crime.

This is really reaching out to the stupidest voters out there.

[AngryOldDem]

35. "I will come up with the money. There is plenty of money out there."

"People will be surprised and happy where I find the money. It's out there. Really. It is. They will be amazed when I come up with the money. There are many ways to do this. People will thank me."

He doesn't have a fucking clue as to how he will do this -- just like with every other hairbrained scheme he keeps rambling on about.

Oh, and feel free to add your own Trumpesque nonanswer.

[cosmicone]

52. Sometimes I wonder if Trump is a Clinton plant

He is cornering the stupid and the racist wing of the republican party and the establishment candidates can neither get air time nor headlines ... while being forced to plead to the sane republicans which are slim pickings.

And then, after having weakened the eventual nominee with barrages, Trump may run as an independent, again depriving the repukes of the stupid and racist voteblock.

Someone inheriting the presidential scholar title from Doris Kearns Goodwin will write about the Clintons' brilliant strategy in 2087.

[PJMcK]

107. Trump's deportation proposal is fiscally impossible

Your point is exactly correct, cosmicone. However, I think your financial estimate is grossly inadequate for Mr. Trump's proposal to work.

The cost per person would be far more than $1,000. Think of all the elements required to implement such a massive plan: the costs would include the enforcement, administration, legal, housing and care (during the deportation process) and the actual transportation of the individuals. Certainly, there are other costs that I haven't thought of but the constitutionality of this proposal alone would be an enormous legal proceeding. Additionally, every deportee would require representation and at least a judicial hearing using resources and clogging the courts. Mr. Tump's plan would more likely cost hundreds of billions of dollars if not more.

Where would the money come from? This is the question republicans always ask when democrats make program proposals. Mr. Trump's non-answer to this question is that we'll be "amazed" at where he finds the money. Without specifics, his proposal is unsubstantiated and patently ludicrous.

[TexasBushwhacker]

21. If the GOP really wanted reduce illegal immigration

they would come down, HARD, on the employers who hire them. But they won't do that, because it's considered "anti-business".

Hell, they don't even require employers to confirm Social Security numbers and the validity of green cards. I know. I used to have HR duties at a landscaping company. We had an applicant who presented an obviously fake green card. I told the manager who wanted to hire him. He said "All we HAVE to do is have a copy of their SS card and green card on file." We were required to report all new hires to the state attorney general, for child support enforcement, but of course the state doesn't report those new hires to the feds, BECAUSE THEY DON'T have to.

I will give my former employer props for paying more than minimum wage (around $10 an hour) and overtime. But Texans like their cheap housing, among other things. The median price of homes in Houston is only $190K, and that's an all time high.

[candelista]

23. The Democrats could do this too.

Why don't they? Because the Dem politicians get money from the same sweatshop operators, construction companies, nursing homes, etc., as the Repubs.

[Comrade Grumpy]

25. Mass deportation of hard-working people is not a Democratic value.

You can vote for Trump and his immigration policies if you want.

[TexasBushwhacker]

26. The Democrats support a pathway to citizenship

which is far more realistic. If they could pass a law in the current Congress they would, but they can't.

Trump and others will say they want to deport all undocumented workers knowing that's just not possible.

[candelista]

29. Why do you want to expand the labor supply when American wages are already so low?

[TexasBushwhacker]

42. I want the minimum wage to be raised to at least $11/hr

Just using the landscaping company as an example, during the growing season, which is 9 months out of the year in the South, we were CONSTANTLY hiring. We were paying considerably more than minimum wage (average was $10/hr + overtime). About half our laborers were citizens, and I'm sure that some had valid green cards. Doing landscaping in August when the heat index is 107° is hard, sweaty work and there simply aren't enough applicants that are American citizens to fill those jobs. We had 8 days PTO per year. We paid half of the health insurance. We advertised that we were hiring. We had some black workers and some white. But the vast majority were Latino.

I have no doubt that some employers exploit undocumented workers, and they should face stiff penalties and jail time. But somebody has to pick the fruit, do the landscaping, clean the hotel rooms during high season, and process the seafood, Those are full time jobs that are SEASONAL. They aren't year round. What do you suggest? Can we force American citizens to take jobs where they work like dogs for a few months and then be unemployed? Can we force Americans to take jobs where the number of hours they will work isn't guaranteed? What would you suggest?

[candelista]

44. If you raise the minimum wage without controlling immigration....

...you are asking for mass unemployment.

From your post:

But somebody has to pick the fruit, do the landscaping, clean the hotel rooms during high season, and process the seafood, Those are full time jobs that are SEASONAL.

Americans used to do these jobs. I followed the harvest one year before I went to college.

[TexasBushwhacker]

54. I fully support controlling immigration

by cracking down on the employers who hire undocumented workers and the ones like DISNEY who fire American workers and replace them with imported workers.

If there is a demand, there will be a supply. The demand is the employer who hires foreign workers, either legally or illegally.

[Mosby]

89. some states require E-Verify

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/illegal-immigration/map-states-mandatory-e-verify-laws.html

The bigger problem is the underground economy. These companies pay under the table and don't pay into medicare, SS, payroll taxes, workman's comp. I see them at banks pulling out thousands of dollars of cash to pay their employees. A simple federal law that requires reporting large cash withdrawals would go a long way to stopping this. Large cash deposits have to be reported to the feds, why not withdrawals?

[TexasBushwhacker]

97. I'm in Texas. No e-verify required

And I'm not surprised. I do wonder how large scale paying in cash "under the table" is though. Obviously that goes on in anything illegal, but let's say a farmer pays his migrant workers in cash. If he doesn't 1099 them at tax time, he can't deduct their pay from his gross income. That's not to say he doesn't, but it wouldn't pass an audit.

[Mosby]

117. I don't know about farming

But businesses like landscaping are cash businesses, so almost nothing gets reported to the IRS, especially gross sales. Same with a lot of other businesses like smoke shops and c-stores for example.

[TexasBushwhacker]

118. Not a landscaping business of any size

We had about 30 crews of 4 to 6 workers. The big mowers that are used to do apartment complexes and such cost as much as a new truck. I'm not talking about a couple of guys with push mowers driving around neighborhoods.

Any property of decent size will require proof of liability and workers comp insurance from their landscapers. We sent out hundreds of them every year. The same goes for construction work. And those kinds of insurance don't cover undocumented workers, so it's just too risky for a business to have workers they are paying cash.

The thing is, all of our workers had SS cards. They were paying SS and Medicare and we were paying the employers portion. Most were not having much income tax withheld because of their number of dependants. But the FICA taxes were being paid, even if they were using fake SS cards and have no hope of ever getting any SS benefits. Things like food stamps and Medicaid require SS cards. Are those being verified by government agencies? I don't know.

[freshwest]

116. Deposits, cashed checks, wire transfers and withdrawals $10K are reported, in my experience.

I got the evil eye for doing that, once from a insurance settlement and another time when I was moving to another city and transfered the cash from my home bank. I doubt these employers' payroll is that much each week.

[AngryOldDem]

33. Any idea how many undocumented immigrants Trump employs at his hotels/casinos/golf courses, etc.?

And how many of his friends in the construction and service industries do the same?

Sick of this man's hypocritical bullshit.

[TexasBushwhacker]

46. I know that he applied to import workers on H1b visas

Trump companies have applied to bring 1,100 foreign workers in, but that's over several years time. Of course, that doesn't mean his companies don't already have undocumented workers and it certainly doesn't mean that his subcontractors don't.

[jmowreader]

85. How can you H1B a housekeeper?

One of the things a person wanting to import an H1B must do is prove there's not an American who can do the work. If you're dealing with high tech stuff and your factory is 50 miles from nowhere, you can do that. But the kind of labor you can teach someone to do in a couple hours is a different story.

[TexasBushwhacker]

87. They say they can't get enough of them

paying the prevailing wage, which is set by the feds. The jobs are temporary. Trump may have resorts that are only busy during their high season, which may only be 5 or 6 months. The landscaping business I worked for was very busy 8 months out of the year. Then they laid off dozens of workers every November and brought them back in the middle of February.

There is a lot of abuse of the H1B system, but there are some legitimate needs for temporary workers.

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

94. H-1Bs are not for housekeepers

H-2Bs, however, could be for housekeepers. H-2B visas are for seasonal non-agricultural occupation workers for which little skill is required.

H-1Bs are for specialty occupations that require a minimum of a U.S. bachelor's degree or foreign equivalent.

[TexasBushwhacker]

98. You're right. My bad.

There's abuse in both though.

[vkkv]

47. When do we get to see HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE ??? n/t

[PJMcK]

106. Donald Trump released his birth certificate

Donald Trump released his Certification of Birth in response to a joke Bill Maher made about Trump's parentage:

[link:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/09/donald-trump-gives-bill-maher-his-birth-certificate_n_2441072.html|

Of course, if we hold Mr. Trump to the same standards he has imposed on President Obama's proof of birth then this document falls short of disproving Maher's obviously humorous allegation.

[Live and Learn]

55. No he wouldn't. He is just saying he would. All the world is a stage. nt

[RKP5637]

56. I suppose he could send the raving fool the great lion hunter Dr. Walter J. Palmer

after everyone. Trump sounds more like he's running for dictator than president.

[Vinca]

57. I didn't realize Trump was also a magician.

How do you let the "Dreamers" stay, ship their parents back from wherever they came from and "keep families together?" I'm glad this guy has only 2 sides of his mouth to talk out of . . . although I suspect some remarks are coming from another body cavity.

[3catwoman3]

82. Such speaking talents has the loquacious Mr. Trump.

He can talk out of both sides of his mouth and out of his ass all at the same time.

[Hydra]

59. Trump isn't for that

The 1% love their source of unprotected labor, including him.

[underpants]

63. Spot on

Much mure to the point than my post above.

[greymattermom]

64. Also eliminate the J1 program, right?

So what will our universities do to get graduate students? Or am I misunderstanding something.

[4lbs]

65. Of course he would deport them. He needs them to work in his Mexican factories making his clothing

line for 15 pesos ($1 USD) per day.

[bluestateguy]

66. No need to respond to this

I don't want to get between Trump and the American people.

[Historic NY]

67. I guess Donald is paying the air fare out....

of the US to countries that will take these immigrants. One has to ask why his grandfather went back home from BC Canada and then came here...was he even legal.

[The Second Stone]

68. Can we start with all businesses bearing the Trump name?

That might be interesting.

[trillion]

71. I want to thank trump for sending the last would-be-republican Latino voters over to the Dems.

[freshwest]

73. Wow! Here comes the police state with IDs, roadblocks, people dragged out of bed at night!

So, he's going to order the military to go door to door, to schools, factories, farms, ranches, hotels, restaurants? Gonna rip the housekeepers, nannies, landscapers, construction workers, and all of that?

Or have the mob or these gangs of wandering militia goons roaming from one place to the next, pulling over and arrest anyone that doesn't look right to their dumbasses? And is he gonna arrest the American born who will hide these people?

Says he reads the Bible. So he's going to go after the church sanctuaries?

And is it only Mexicans he sees as the problem fo American jobs? What to do with those who are legal and have family on both sides of the border?

Is his wall to be funded by the rich lawbreakers who employ these folks? Every GOP Congress and GOP state legislature have tried to get that 'wall' built but the GOP is too cheap to pay since it's not a priority. Their priority is that Police State or a nation divided up into fiefdoms.

And what about all the people who ship in goods to the USA and Mexico? No Mexican drivers are legal immigrants, they are foreign nationals and don't want to be Americans.

He's pandering. There is no practical way to deport 5 million people without a Police State. Butthe GOP's worried about that, huh? I always say the one who 'sounds the alarm' is the one who wants it.

This guy has no solutions. I saw the Sam Seder video with a tape of his crowds cheering him when he said nothing at all except how he's going to make the USA great again.

The audience didn't even listen, just cheering before every sentence was done. And he rolled right with them, as if was a comedy act.

Then he ended by saying he'd 'save Social Security.'

[Champion Jack]

76. Does this mean he would also deport all of the illegal Canadians and Irish?

Or just the brown people?

[WhoWoodaKnew]

90. You know, I'm different than a lot of people here regarding illegal immigrants

I don't like it when someone breaks the law while someone else is trying to do it legally. I think it's a slap in the face of those that follow our laws to obtain entry or citizenship into our country.

Now, how to deal with all the people who came here illegally is a different conversation. I've yet to see an answer short of saying "well, you broke our entry laws but you can stay". I've never understood why we talk so much about obeying our laws but don't care on this issue. Am I alone here?

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

95. The one sure-fire way to prevent illegal immigration

is to prosecute civilly and criminally employers who knowingly hire people who lack authorization to work in the U.S.

Firstly, we must simplify Form I-9 or eliminate it altogether and replace it with mandatory E-Verify. However, employers must become better trained on Form I-9 and E-Verify. These functions are usually relegated to low-level HR employees or even third parties who do not have sufficient training or understanding. Instead, Form I-9 and E-Verify should be rightfully elevated to a compliance or legal role and anyone involved in Form I-9 and/or E-Verify should be properly trained. There are hundreds of ways an individual is authorized to work in the U.S. and hundreds of types of documentation. There are also plenty of techniques to use to distinguish between fraudulent and real documentation.

Secondly, Form I-9 audits and E-Verify monitoring must occur regularly and consistently (particularly with Form I-9 audits by ICE). When violations are found, employers need to face the music and not a simple slap on the wrist. Instead of a thousand bucks here and there, there need to be substantial monetary and other penalties on the employer, including forfeiture of assets and even jail time if necessary.

If these regulations were enforced, employers would not find it beneficial to hire people they know not to be authorized to work. As a result, there would be no advantage for someone to come to the U.S. without inspection (illegally) as there would be no work available.

[Disclaimer: I work in immigration law and I make my living in business immigration, Form I-9 and E-Verify. I am well recognized in the field.]

[a la izquierda]

115. Well, when you're family is starving, waiting in line probably isn't an option.

Take a trip down to any rural area in Mexico or Central America, think about yourself in those living situations, and then get back to me.

[KingCharlemagne]

91. The city of Los Angeles will grind to a halt, as it is currently 51%

Latino (not all undocumented, by any means, but still).

[Spitfire of ATJ]

99. I suppose we could deport 12,000,000 people if we used cattle cars.

[COLGATE4]

105. Why bother with cattle cars. Why not

just gas them all? (Sarcasm thing hopefully not needed here)