Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 05:21 AM Jul 2015

Filmmakers fighting "Happy Birthday" copyright find their "smoking gun"

Source: Ars Technica

The "smoking gun" is a 1927 version of the "Happy Birthday" lyrics, predating Warner/Chappell's 1935 copyright by eight years. That 1927 songbook, along with other versions located through the plaintiffs' investigations, "conclusively prove that any copyright that may have existed for the song itself... expired decades ago."

If the filmmakers' lawyers are right, it could mean a quick route to victory in a lawsuit that's been both slow-moving and closely watched by copyright reform advocates. Warner/Chappell has built a licensing empire based on "Happy Birthday," which in 1996 was pulling in more than $2 million per year.

Plaintiff Jennifer Nelson's movie is actually called Happy Birthday, and it's about the song. She had to pay Warner/Chappell $1,500 to use the song in her movie, and that didn't sit well with the documentarian. She's seeking to get that money back and also represent a class of plaintiffs who have paid similar licensing fees to Warner/Chappell on a copyright she and her lawyers say is illegitimate.

The 1927 songbook referenced above was found in a batch of 500 documents provided by Warner/Chappell earlier this month. That cache included "approximately 200 pages of documents [Warner/Chappell] claim were 'mistakenly' not produced during discovery, which ended on July 11, 2014, more than one year earlier," Nelson's lawyers write.

Read more: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/07/filmmakers-fighting-happy-birthday-copyright-find-their-smoking-gun/

19 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Filmmakers fighting "Happy Birthday" copyright find their "smoking gun" (Original Post) Recursion Jul 2015 OP
Read it at H.R yesterday JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #1
Just a note, Warner/Chappell is part of Access Industries a private equity group davidpdx Jul 2015 #2
It's AFT! Nitram Jul 2015 #3
Documents "mistakenly not produced during discovery"? mainer Jul 2015 #4
I guess the justification for this is.... wolfie001 Jul 2015 #5
Ouch. eggplant Jul 2015 #6
Music copyright law should be simplified and copyrights shortened Eric J in MN Jul 2015 #7
As a songwwriter They_Live Jul 2015 #8
How long should the copyright on a song last? NT Eric J in MN Jul 2015 #9
I think it should be the author's christx30 Jul 2015 #10
That is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long IMO... Moostache Jul 2015 #11
Well, I completely agree with you. Frank Cannon Jul 2015 #15
It would be fairer to be "author's death OR 50 years" ... Nihil Jul 2015 #17
I agree. NT Eric J in MN Jul 2015 #18
That's way too soon. Codeine Jul 2015 #12
Who's the "creator" of music I wrote on contract for a company? Recursion Jul 2015 #14
For corporate copyright I think fifty or sixty years Codeine Jul 2015 #16
An audio recording could have a copyright longer than the songs Eric J in MN Jul 2015 #19
I'm guessing there will be a nice long line for refunds, or a class-action suit against Warner/Chap. tomm2thumbs Jul 2015 #13

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
2. Just a note, Warner/Chappell is part of Access Industries a private equity group
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 05:34 AM
Jul 2015

It was for a long time part of Warner Communication, Time Warner, AOL Time Warner, and then Time Warner (after the Warner/AOL breakup) but was sold off).

mainer

(12,022 posts)
4. Documents "mistakenly not produced during discovery"?
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 08:44 AM
Jul 2015

Yeah, right. Someone's guilty of hiding documents.


"That cache included "approximately 200 pages of documents [Warner/Chappell] claim were 'mistakenly' not produced during discovery, which ended on July 11, 2014, more than one year earlier," Nelson's lawyers write."

wolfie001

(2,230 posts)
5. I guess the justification for this is....
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 09:10 AM
Jul 2015

....lots and lots of billable hours! Disgusting. I picture in the distant future Alito somehow siding with the hedge fund.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
7. Music copyright law should be simplified and copyrights shortened
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 09:48 AM
Jul 2015

The law should just say that copyrights on a song expire 30 years after it's first published.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
11. That is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long IMO...
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:01 PM
Jul 2015

I am sick and tired of the idea of heredity rights for descendants.

The copyright protection for any work should extend no further than the lifespan of the creator, maybe I could see extending protections to the surviving dependants of a deceased copyright holder until they reach the age of majority, but no further.

I'm sick to death of the idea that "leaving something behind" is a protected right...if copyright holders are so concerned with a legacy, then my suggestion is to save their money, gather it into a big inheritance for whomever they desire and then leave it to them via that mechanism and have it appropriately taxed.

The United States is NOT a hereditary monarchy - for lands or titles or legal protections, and its laws should not be used to support the idea that intellectual property survives death and becomes the property of anyone who did not invent or create it.

Kind of makes me the crabby old man yelling at clouds, but to quote Popeye..."I yam what I yam!" LOL

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
17. It would be fairer to be "author's death OR 50 years" ...
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 08:07 AM
Jul 2015

... as that guarantees protection for the author's family in the
sad event that the author dies young.

(If the author lives longer than 50 years after the creation of the work
then that's a bonus for a healthy life and/or a creative youth! )

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
12. That's way too soon.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 04:25 PM
Jul 2015

By that measurement the first four U2 records would be public domain, which seems frankly bizarre to me.

The lifetime of the creator seems reasonable.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. Who's the "creator" of music I wrote on contract for a company?
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 07:43 PM
Jul 2015

There were about 6 of us who wrote it. The last of us to die? The company's "life"?

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
16. For corporate copyright I think fifty or sixty years
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 09:07 PM
Jul 2015

seems reasonable; roughly the "adult" portion of a human lifespan.

If the writers hold the copyright then when the last of the six dies sounds about right to me.

What is the generally-held argument for shorter copyright vs longer?

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
19. An audio recording could have a copyright longer than the songs
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 08:12 AM
Jul 2015

...in terms of people being able to do covers without legal hassles.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
13. I'm guessing there will be a nice long line for refunds, or a class-action suit against Warner/Chap.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 07:40 PM
Jul 2015

If it turns out they knew and were blurring the songbook 'no-copyright' notice purposely in the pdf (which it sounds like to me), or if they simply knew and were willing to hide the evidence to benefit their interests.

Fraud?

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Filmmakers fighting "...