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brooklynite

(94,519 posts)
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 05:25 PM Dec 2011

Gingrich: Campaign worker's signature fraud cost slot on Virginia ballot

from CNN:

Algona, Iowa (CNN) - Newt Gingrich cited fraud Wednesday as the reason he didn't get on the Virginia primary ballot.

Last week his campaign acknowledged they used paid volunteers to scramble to get the required 10,000 signatures but fell short after the former House speaker and Virginia resident boasted his campaign was submitting as many as 12,000-14,000 signatures.

On a campaign stop at an Algona chocolate store, the former House speaker said the "mistake" occurred because one of their workers committed fraud.

"We hired somebody who turned in false signatures. We turned in 11,100 – we needed 10,000 – 1,500 of them were by one guy who frankly committed fraud."


And based on my leadership skills in picking trustworthy staff, you should elect me President...
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Gingrich: Campaign worker's signature fraud cost slot on Virginia ballot (Original Post) brooklynite Dec 2011 OP
Which makes me ask.... izquierdista Dec 2011 #1
LOL. n/t FSogol Dec 2011 #2
ACORN! Cosmocat Dec 2011 #29
acorn booley Dec 2011 #3
the gop is VERY consistent when it comes to morality unblock Dec 2011 #8
exactly right Charlemagne Dec 2011 #14
brilliant leadership, relying on a structure where one person's fraud scuttles the entire state. unblock Dec 2011 #4
in other words, they were attempting to cheat DrDan Dec 2011 #5
Republicon Family Fraud Values. As usual. SpiralHawk Dec 2011 #6
and speaking of fraud, why should we believe anything Gingrich says? kwassa Dec 2011 #7
Nobody hates getting grifted more than another grifter. n/t bluedigger Dec 2011 #9
Ain't that the truth! Perfect comment! Nay Dec 2011 #28
You haven't seen outraged indignation until you've seen a grifter getting stung. lunatica Dec 2011 #31
Have you ever known a Repuglican to take responsibility for their screw ups? auburngrad82 Dec 2011 #10
The buck stops over there. Way over there. Tom Ripley Dec 2011 #11
Hey Noot! 10-15% spoilage is about average without fraud. Fuddnik Dec 2011 #12
They will blame it on a liberal conspiracy Charlemagne Dec 2011 #13
Maybe Newt should have made sure his 12 to 14 k number was realized then. chowder66 Dec 2011 #15
He's just pissed that he got caught Hugabear Dec 2011 #16
Definition of A Leader Ccarmona Dec 2011 #17
I'm not even going to bother..... DeSwiss Dec 2011 #18
That's what I was wondering...how do you have a "PAID volunteer"??? AllyCat Dec 2011 #20
although I wouldn't put it past someone to do this, for some reason I think it might not be true OKNancy Dec 2011 #19
He's got to be seriously pissed. Obviously he's a magnet for fraud and corruption. truthisfreedom Dec 2011 #21
The rule of thumb is Pab Sungenis Dec 2011 #22
Three was incentive for fraud because newt paid for many Kahuna Dec 2011 #23
Guy must have worked for ACORN. LOL! n/t sandyd921 Dec 2011 #24
The fraudster must've been a liberal (if I'm getting the spin straight): ScottLand Dec 2011 #25
Ah, the old "Rogue Contractor" ploy NBachers Dec 2011 #26
This reminds me of Politicalboi Dec 2011 #27
I have doubts they could find 10,000 legitimate supporters in the State so they really had no option icnorth Dec 2011 #30
There was only one small problem: They got caught!! L. Coyote Dec 2011 #32

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
29. ACORN!
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 09:13 AM
Dec 2011

This is the one tangible thing that some rogue idiots did for ACORN in falsifying forms for registered voters, and the lugnuts went nuts on ACORN ...

booley

(3,855 posts)
3. acorn
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 05:36 PM
Dec 2011

and yet fraud by paid signature collectors was more then proof enough that ACORN as an organization was some evil group out to destroy democracy.(even though the fraudsters were turned in by ACORN. that's no way to run a conspiracy)

Hmmm, well if the republicans are at al consistent, they will immediatly pass a bill barring Gingrich from getting into government again.

Yeah, I am sure they will do that.

I'll just sit here and hold my breath, waiting for the GOP to be morally consistent.

unblock

(52,206 posts)
8. the gop is VERY consistent when it comes to morality
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 05:40 PM
Dec 2011

they believe that morality to be tauted by republicans and enforced against democrats.

they are VERY consistent in this view.

 

Charlemagne

(576 posts)
14. exactly right
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 06:05 PM
Dec 2011

People who collect voter registrations and ballots are required by law to turn in every form they receive. They can flag the clearly fraudulent forms but they cant discard them themselves. This is important because you dont want someone throwing out registrations based on political bias (i.e. im a liberal so I throw out all the registrations from the conservative part of town).

Its such a basic thing. but the republican base cant/wont think for themselves so every time they are told a lie they believe it.

unblock

(52,206 posts)
4. brilliant leadership, relying on a structure where one person's fraud scuttles the entire state.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 05:37 PM
Dec 2011

at a minimum, just turn in enough signatures so that you need TWO people doing this before you go below the minimum number of legitimate signatures needed.

 

SpiralHawk

(32,944 posts)
6. Republicon Family Fraud Values. As usual.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 05:39 PM
Dec 2011

And as usual, Republicon Draft Dodger Newtie Gingrich is dodging reponsibility, passing the buck, trying to blame someone else for his own peeeculiar Republicon brand of FAIL.

Pathetic.

auburngrad82

(5,029 posts)
10. Have you ever known a Repuglican to take responsibility for their screw ups?
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 05:47 PM
Dec 2011

Blame it on an unnamed campaign worker. If he was all that and a bag of chips he wouldn't have had scrape by the the minimum number required. Instead he ate the bag of chips and pointed fingers at his staff. Nice.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
12. Hey Noot! 10-15% spoilage is about average without fraud.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 06:00 PM
Dec 2011

Back in 2006, in a congressional race, we turned in over 6,500 petitions when we needed 5,300.

But, we verified every petition against the voter files from the district before we turned them in. Our spoilage rate was about 3%. Lowest in the state.

 

Charlemagne

(576 posts)
13. They will blame it on a liberal conspiracy
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 06:01 PM
Dec 2011

I can already hear the right-wing blogs typing away.......

"Dateline Virginia: Liberal OWS provocateurs, likely former employees of the anti-american ACORN organization, pose as Gingrich supporters in order to commit fraud and keep his name off the primary ballot. Yet another sign that liberals hate freedom and want to stifle democracy in order to bring about their socialist atheist utopia."


Of course this will be held as absolute truth because conservatives rely so much on facts and logic.

chowder66

(9,067 posts)
15. Maybe Newt should have made sure his 12 to 14 k number was realized then.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 06:29 PM
Dec 2011

See Newt, if you had actually followed through on your word then you wouldn't have had this problem. It's kind of like what a marriage vow means according to "Republican Family Values". In sickness and in health....now you have made a pledge to not go negative and that lasted what..... a day? Your word/pledge/boasts mean nothing Newt. Pack it in and retire please.

 

Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
17. Definition of A Leader
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 06:48 PM
Dec 2011

is someone who takes responsibility for the actions of those he or she are in charge of. Newt it's your candidacy, obviously you failed as a leader...again!!

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
18. I'm not even going to bother.....
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 06:54 PM
Dec 2011

...addressing the oxymoron inherent in the concept of a ''paid-volunteer.''


- But next time Noot buys volunteers, he ought to make sure they have warranties for this sort of thing.......

K&R

AllyCat

(16,183 posts)
20. That's what I was wondering...how do you have a "PAID volunteer"???
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 08:06 PM
Dec 2011

I think he is probably lying. Again. And they will blame this on libruls'

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
19. although I wouldn't put it past someone to do this, for some reason I think it might not be true
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 07:58 PM
Dec 2011

sounds real fishy to me. Newt has been know to make shit up.
Sounds like a convenient excuse.

 

Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
22. The rule of thumb is
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 08:57 PM
Dec 2011

hand in no less than 150% of the required signatures. Preferably 200% if you can manage it. That way you don't worry about spoilage.

What this shows is that until recently Gingrich didn't take his campaign seriously enough to build a proper organization. For all we know, he still isn't taking it that seriously.

Kahuna

(27,311 posts)
23. Three was incentive for fraud because newt paid for many
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 09:02 PM
Dec 2011

of those signatures...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2011/12/gingrich-paying-for-virginia-petitions-108170.html


By ALEXANDER BURNS | 12/20/11 12:03 PM EST A reader sends along an email message offering "quick money" in exchange for help getting Newt Gingrich on the Virginia ballot:

Because the deadline is coming up so quickly, we've got a pretty good budget to work with. We can offer $1 per signature, with a $50 bonus for every 100 signatures (in other words, if you get 100 signatures, you get $150, if you get 300 signatures, you get $450, if you get 1,000 signatures, you get $1,500).

In addition, if you can put together a crew to get signatures, they can get paid the same amount, and you can get a $1,000 bonus for every 2,000 signatures your crew collects.

ScottLand

(2,485 posts)
25. The fraudster must've been a liberal (if I'm getting the spin straight):
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 09:58 PM
Dec 2011

In this case, it's a liberal who did it knowing he would sabotage Newt's campaign. If it had been Obama, the fraudster would have been working directly for Obama and committing fraud at his direction. Am I getting that right, Newtie? What do I win?!!!

NBachers

(17,108 posts)
26. Ah, the old "Rogue Contractor" ploy
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 12:33 AM
Dec 2011

So if Newtie got on the ballot and then found out about the fraud, would he have taken himself off the ballot?

icnorth

(1,015 posts)
30. I have doubts they could find 10,000 legitimate supporters in the State so they really had no option
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 09:15 AM
Dec 2011

But Mickey Mouse? Come on! Even republicans know Mickey splits his time between California and Florida.

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