Four Marines killed in US military shootings, gunman dead (Chattanooga , Tenn.)

[Bosonic]

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Source: AFP

Chattanooga (United States) (AFP) - Four Marines were killed Thursday in twin shootings at US military centers in the southern state of Tennessee, officials said, opening a probe into what they said was a possible act of "domestic terrorism."

At least two people were injured during the incidents in Chattanooga -- a police officer and a Marine Corps recruiter. The gunman was shot dead, city mayor Andy Berke told reporters.

The incident served as an ugly reminder of other deadly shootings at US military installations, including a 2009 rampage at Fort Hood that left 13 dead and a 2013 attack at the Navy Yard in Washington that left 12 dead.

"It is incomprehensible to see what happened and the way that individuals who proudly serve our country were treated," Berke said, praising the quick response by law enforcement to prevent further loss of life.

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Officials: 2 military facilities attacked in Tennessee

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. (AP) — At least two military facilities in Tennessee were attacked in shootings Thursday, including one at a Navy recruiting building, officials said.

Chattanooga police said in a tweet Thursday afternoon that the active shooter situation was over, though there was no word on what had happened to the suspect or suspects.

Chattanooga Mayor Andy Berke said at a news conference that it was a "very terrible situation." He did not release any other details. Berke said there's "an officer down" at a military reserve center.

Police have set up a command post near one of the sites. It was not immediately clear how many people may have been hurt.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/76b0bb1e8dda406d89972592b1c3832e/mayor-police-pursuing-active-shooter-chattanooga-tenn

[calimary]

1. At a naval reserve center?

Is that where all the "good guys with guns" are?

[leftynyc]

2. How about waiting

until we hear the details about who and how many were hurt before the jokes begin.

[calimary]

4. This is no joke and I was not making one.

I would gently remind that I'd hope you'd know that from my previous posts by now...

[24601]

51. But since you asked, you usually may keep a personal weapon in your quarters but you can't carry

carry them concealed or openly in military installations. And if your a quarters are the barracks (Dorms if you are Air Force) your weapon must be kept in your unit's arms room.

So no, the good guys with guns don't have ready access to their own guns or to the government's guns.

The only exception are military police on duty and not every installation has them.

Perhaps this terrorist act will lead to change, but I doubt it. If it turns out the shooter was directed or inspired by ISIL, or any other terrorist group, I hope (but do not expect) that the dead and wounded Marines are entitled to Purple Hearts and they, or their surviving families, receive the same benefits as another battlefield casualties.

What I expect is that this will drag on like the Fort Hood victims and that the incident will be called "workplace violence" but I really hope I'm wrong on this point.

[Lurks Often]

10. Too bad you can't wait for facts before pushing your political agenda

Oh and FYI for you, since you don't seem to know yourself, the average US Navy sailor doesn't use guns on a daily basis in the performance of the duties and even if there were firearms at this naval reserve center, they would be locked up in the armory. Not available to the people at the naval reserve center.

[LiberalLoner]

11. Exactly, thank you.

[840high]

19. Thank you.

[golfguru]

20. Thank you for educating the uninformed poster n/t

[asjr]

28. Calimary was not "pushing your political agenda". She

doesn't do that. Some here jump to conclusions.

[Lurks Often]

29. She most certainly was pushing her agenda

"At a naval reserve center? Is that where all the "good guys with guns" are? "

So without substantial facts of any sort, she decides to trot out the good guys with guns meme.

Oh and if the Marines at the reserve center are anything like the Army National Guard, the weapons are locked in a vault and aren't accessible.

[7962]

17. No, smart one, they usually DONT have weapons. nt

[samsingh]

49. you are right

[pipoman]

58. Derp...

As usual...

[samsingh]

62. i feel the same

[madville]

59. No, carrying guns is usually not allowed on military bases or in government offices

They are pretty much some of the most gun-free areas you will find in the U.S. with the most strict rules.

[OakCliffDem]

61. "Is that where all the "good guys with guns" are? "

No, a Naval Reserve Center is where the squids are. There are also bubble heads, rotor tops, and deck apes. In this case there were also four gyreens who did not survive.

As for the four murdered Marines, they were just lounging around at the Naval Reserve Center in Chattanooga, Tennessee on a Thursday afternoon. Finding themselves in a combat situation was the furthest thing on their minds. If they had had just a moment's notice of Mohammad's intentions; the outcome would have been significantly different. A Marine without a gun is not the same as an unarmed Marine.

It is refreshing however that at least you think that one branch of the service is the "good guys".

[lib87]

3. CNN is Reporting an Incident at a Military Reserve Center

in Chattanooga, TN.

[dixiegrrrrl]

8. US Navy confirms no shooting at Reserve Center on Amnicola Highway in Chattanooga, Tenn.,

but they are investigating reports of shooting at a Navy recruiting building on Lee Highway -
http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/highway-shooting-in-chattanooga-tenn/

Situation still fluid.

[fasttense]

6. So is it a Military Reserve or a college?

They are not normally located in the same area.

OK just saw post 5. Its a recruiting center.

[Historic NY]

7. More info its a strip mall location

http://www.wdef.com/content/news/breaking/story/Shooting-on-Amnicola/ldsDW-DGTUib60O8dE2-wg.cspx


Mayor say officer down and suspect down.....appears it was on the highway near the strip mall where the Naval recruiting center is located.

https://twitter.com/ASpiratoNC9/status/621709532947972096/photo/1

[jwirr]

9. Is Tennessee one of the states involved in the takeover of Texas? There are nuts all over.

[brooklynite]

12. UPDATE - shooter reported dead

Update, 1:30 p.m.: CBS news is reporting that law enforcement officials have told them that the shooter in Chattanooga is dead. Their law enforcement sources also said that the police officer was shot in the leg and was not critically wounded, and that at least two Marines had also been injured in the attack.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/07/16/chattanooga_shooting_mayor_andy_berke_reports_of_horrific_shooting_incident.html

[bigworld]

13. UPDATE - at least 4 dead according to city official

news conference coming soon

per http://www.wdef.com/content/news/breaking/story/Shooting-on-Amnicola/ldsDW-DGTUib60O8dE2-wg.cspx

[bigworld]

14. Soft easy symbolic target for lone wolf-style attacks

... wasn't that the very reason that the man in Quebec targeted a strip mall military recruitment office last year?

[Agnosticsherbet]

15. MSNBC can not confirm that some of the people at the two locations have been killed.

Only the shooter is reported dead.

[cosmicone]

16. Round up ISIS sympathizers!!! n/t

[brooklynite]

25. Alternatively, locals sucked in to the Jade Helm conspiracy?

[7962]

18. As of 2:50 pm EST, 3 dead, 3 wounded. I'm guessing 1 of the dead is the shooter

A cop and 4 Marines involved

[Glitterati]

21. 4 dead, including the shooter

1 critical, 1 treated and released.

[7962]

23. CNN is showing a graphic right now saying 3 & 3. Fox says 5 total dead. I guess its still fluid

4 marines dead and the shooter, according to Fox. CNN saying something a bit different.
I guess we'll know for sure in a couple hrs.
Apparently they've found something that rules out terrorism, according to a report from someone to Fox. MSNBC saying something similar

[jen63]

35. The mayor of Chatenooga

called it domestic terrorism in the presser.

[freshwest]

55. He's right. No matter who did it or what reason, it's a 'form of terrorism.' n/t

[lib87]

24. Damn!

So senseless!!

[snooper2]

63. religion strikes again- fundies should just shoot themselves so they can find their mythical heaven

[TwilightGardener]

22. Awful.

[Sancho]

26. Five dead on MSNBC now at 3PM

[riversedge]

27. oh my. I just turned on the TV. So sad for the

families for this senseless act. They are calling it domestic terrorism msnbc

[brooklynite]

30. UPDATE: Shooting being investigated as an "Act of Domestic Terrorism"

Eyewitness reports seeing a "white man with a high powered rifle"

[blm]

32. RW propaganda media have been spreading this Jade Helm BS for months….

They know they are appealing to the paranoid minds of well-armed sociopaths, and they don't care.

IMO, these RW jihadists loyal to irrational GOP leaders more closely match the paranoia of the RW jihadists loyal to Islamic terrorism's leaders.

RW fundamentalism, RW anything will always lead to violence.

[Gore1FL]

36. That was my thought too when I saw it. n/t

[PersonNumber503602]

39. There are videos all over youtube about that stuff

There are lots of mentally ill people out there who are feeding their delusions with that stuff. I'm actually surprised that there are so many of those people out there. Certain RW media outlets are exploiting the crazy in those people by somewhat validating their crazy conspiracies. Even the governor of Texas played into this by saying he was going to have the state guard monitor the US Army. The way these people put politics above all else is the most disturbing thing ever.

I guess we'll see if he turns out to be one of those people.

[riversedge]

33. U.S Attorney: "We are treating this as an act of domestic terrorism" ...

#ChattanoogaShooting is being treated like a terror case after all.

Occupy Cleveland added,
msnbc @msnbc
U.S Attorney: "We are treating this as an act of domestic terrorism" http://on.msnbc.com/1M8etme

[totodeinhere]

40. If it were a person of color his or her face would be all over the media by now.

n/t

[ChiefJusticeIV]

43. Sounds like he was a Muslim

Of course prayers go out for the victims and their families. Another disgusting thing is that there will be RW'ers breathing sighs of relief that it was a Muslim who did it.

[Reter]

53. Very strange that initial reports said "white man"

Kinda like John Doe number 2.

[riversedge]

31. report on msnbc saying the shooter has multiple weapons.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

34. Who's the asshole with a gun this time?

This country lately seems to have an endless supply of assholes with guns.

[Eugene Stoner]

37. From CBS

Two law enforcement officials told CBS News that the shooting suspect was identified as Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez.

[link:http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2015/07/16/officials-2-military-facilities-attacked-in-tennessee-multiple-marines-killed/|

[The Stranger]

38. Is it Terrorism, or is the shooter white?

Pick one.

[ChiefJusticeIV]

45. Shooter is Muslim thus it is terrorism

Meanwhile Dylan Roof slaughters 7+ African Americans and people refuse to call it domestic terrorism. All of that is either terrorism or it's not...

[7962]

46. "Hate crime" pretty much IS considered domestic terrorism.

"terrorizing" is even used to describe a hate crime.

[Igel]

48. And yet if you speak as a law enforcement officer you need to use the

law enforcement definition.

Domestic terrorism must be directed at the (federal) government, not at individuals.

We can all have our own private or in-group definitions, but that's their group and that's what they're obligated to use.

I'd also note that the fact they didn't splash the name and picture everywhere asap indicated, clearly, that he was white. The description was white. But at the same time, what you find in the media is they're so concerned about people jumping to conclusions about Muslim terrorists that more often than not when the name's withheld it means "Muslim." Whatever the race. (Conversely, in those cases where the name/religion is put out at once the MSM backpedal and say, "Just because he's Muslim doesn't mean it's terrorism.&quot

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

52. Shooting up a military recruiting office could be ...

... the same as targeting the federal government.

And we have one more day in the month of Ramadan.

[totodeinhere]

42. Identified as Muhammad Youssef Abdulazee

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-police-officer-shot-near-tennessee-army-recruiting-center/

According to Chattanooga mayor.

[Bosonic]

47. Official identifies gunman in Tennessee shooting

Official identifies gunman in Tennessee shooting

A U.S. official says the gunman in the shootings in Tennessee has been identified as 24-year-old Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez.

He was believed to have been born in Kuwait, and it was unclear whether he was a U.S. or Kuwaiti citizen. The official was speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing, sensitive investigation. It was not immediately clear whether the gunman's first name was spelled Muhammad or Mohammad.

He is from Hixson, Tennessee, which is just a few miles across the river from Chattanooga.

Authorities and officials say the gunman killed four Marines and wounded a police officer and others in two attacks on military facilities. The gunman was also dead.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/03ff4cf8aad84f8ba9cbd7c9927277db/latest-witness-talks-about-seeing-barrage-gunfire

[freshwest]

56. This story says the same. He lived in Hixson, TN. See link:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11745608/Tennessee-gunman-Muhammad-Youssef-Abdulazeez-what-we-know-so-far..html

[Spitfire of ATJ]

50. Anyone see if FOX "News" is having a wargasm?

[valerief]

57. Wargasm. Great word. nt

[humbled_opinion]

54. Now we will have more calls

for an armed public who will over react to these type of incidents.......

"Oh officer, it didn't sound like a sneeze to me sure sounded like Allahu Akbar and he looked like one of them arab types you know... and I have permission for concealed carry, and so I stood my ground, probably would have joined up with Isis in the future anyway, so I did my civic duty.....

[jtuck004]

60. Dear Donald Trump: While you were trying to scare us with nothing, this happens.

I bet the families thank you.

How about you go away and let the adults handle this? Or at least people who care more about the country than their own ego.

[CullenBohannon]

64. There should be

at least one armed guard at these military bases.

[Darb]

66. Obviously, we need more guns.

It is too complicated to get guns in the US.

[uppityperson]

67. Yeah, just what we all fear. Death threats and violence.