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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 01:19 PM Apr 2015

Churchgoer Tries to Hide Gun After Accidentally Shooting It Mid-Prayer

Source: Gawker



There are like, two places left in the United States where you have a reasonable expectation to not encounter gunfire (petting zoo, kindergarten graduation ceremony), and church is no longer one of them.

The Altoona Mirror reports that the Cathedral of the Blessed Sacrament's Easter mass was more wild than expected this year after "a legally carried handgun discharged in the pocket of an attendee," grazing his hand. It appears "a critical piece of the handgun apparently caught on the man's pants as he stood up," whereupon this unnamed man passed the gun to a friend, who attempted to hide it in his church program (as seen above). Trying to disguise a gun that's just gone off inside a church program is maybe the only thing more brazen than actually shooting the gun inside church.

Action 4 News in Pittsburgh adds that "It's unclear why he brought a gun into church."

Read more: http://gawker.com/churchgoer-tries-to-hide-gun-after-accidentally-shootin-1695947245

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Churchgoer Tries to Hide Gun After Accidentally Shooting It Mid-Prayer (Original Post) onehandle Apr 2015 OP
"It's unclear why he brought a gun into church." phantom power Apr 2015 #1
... Major Nikon Apr 2015 #31
dude didn't your wife give you any sunscreen? snooper2 Apr 2015 #38
eww sunscreen! hat with wider brim! Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #45
It's not unclear, he was skeered of the devil! justhanginon Apr 2015 #2
Looks like the Second Amendment got in the way of the Second Commandment KansDem Apr 2015 #3
Oh, well put. 3catwoman3 Apr 2015 #7
Exactly! stone space Apr 2015 #51
Great image you've added. Perfect. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #57
That's SO good! Outstanding. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #56
ah, it must have been god's will that the gun went off. ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2015 #4
The Devil made him do it. TeamPooka Apr 2015 #10
Oh Ye of little faith safeinOhio Apr 2015 #40
This is 'Merica! You can bring a gun to church because it is your right. titaniumsalute Apr 2015 #5
Yeah, Plucketeer Apr 2015 #12
Obammer is out to git me NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #26
See #8 Sancho Apr 2015 #6
I like your list. 3catwoman3 Apr 2015 #11
Great rules Plucketeer Apr 2015 #14
True that some won't be smart...but that's why we need a stronger license. Sancho Apr 2015 #17
I'm with you Plucketeer Apr 2015 #22
While I would cheerfully favor SheilaT Apr 2015 #16
Annnd this sums up exactly how I feel. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #19
K&R!!! This is excellent! Nt riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #24
As a rifle owner, most of this list makes perfect sense to me. vkkv Apr 2015 #25
In Switzerland, one can have a licence for a handgun Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2015 #32
Incorrect Shamash Apr 2015 #47
and Jesus said "Pop a cap in their ass...." nt TeamPooka Apr 2015 #8
Here's a gun shop that advertises it has a petting zoo . . . Journeyman Apr 2015 #9
It must be hard for the patrons to restrain themselves (n/t) William Seger Apr 2015 #54
MURCA!!!! alcibiades_mystery Apr 2015 #13
Figures the supposedly "law abiding" gun toter would try to hide the weapon and obstruct justice. Hoyt Apr 2015 #15
Hey, give the guy a break. Vinca Apr 2015 #18
"If I shouldn't be doing this, Lord, give me a sign !" nt eppur_se_muova Apr 2015 #20
Anybody who brings a gun to church is actively hoping for a chance to use it. Paladin Apr 2015 #21
We usually have two gun carriers sarisataka Apr 2015 #27
Why do they think they need to have one at the children's mass? n/t Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2015 #33
it's not a question of need sarisataka Apr 2015 #41
because they are stupid, paranoid, gun humping assholes Skittles Apr 2015 #59
Designated gun carriers? Known to be trained and trustworthy? Paladin Apr 2015 #34
Both happen to be sarisataka Apr 2015 #39
Spin, spin, spin. onehandle Apr 2015 #48
. sarisataka Apr 2015 #50
The Law of the Instrument means that's true everywhere Major Nikon Apr 2015 #28
In HUCKLEBERRY FINN, the two feuding families, Shepherdsons and Grangerfords, took guns to church. raccoon Apr 2015 #23
Maybe he just had stigmata jberryhill Apr 2015 #29
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die...BLAM!....What The EVERLOVING FUCK? Major Nikon Apr 2015 #30
"... a gun that's just gone off inside a church program..." > But, ohhh, that smell - lol n/t jtuck004 Apr 2015 #35
Blessed are the PIECE makers. Gregorian Apr 2015 #36
Personally, I like to attend a church..... Mustellus Apr 2015 #37
Unbelievable! red dog 1 Apr 2015 #42
been to a couple of churches where someone broke out speaking in tounges dembotoz Apr 2015 #43
"It's unclear why he brought a gun into church." BECUZ HE IS A ASS trueblue2007 Apr 2015 #44
Because he lives in a demon haunted world Gormy Cuss Apr 2015 #58
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/walker66/popemobile-papa2532011pu.jpg blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #46
What makes the writer think that people aren't carrying at petting zoos and kindergarten graduation tblue37 Apr 2015 #49
No big deal. Just another well trained member of the well-regulated militia tabasco Apr 2015 #52
Is that what they call concealed carry? (nt) stone space Apr 2015 #53
unclear why he brought a gun to church? Skittles Apr 2015 #55

justhanginon

(3,290 posts)
2. It's not unclear, he was skeered of the devil!
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 01:27 PM
Apr 2015

You can't get away from these idiots even in church. Paranoia runs amok among these gun crazies.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
3. Looks like the Second Amendment got in the way of the Second Commandment
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 01:31 PM
Apr 2015

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
4. ah, it must have been god's will that the gun went off.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 01:32 PM
Apr 2015

What the FUCK is any asshole doing with a gun in a church? Are the potential satanic forces that strong inside? Does tithing remind the gun-toting sinner of armed robbery, requiring the faithful sheeple to be armed and actually quite dangerous?

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
12. Yeah,
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 01:41 PM
Apr 2015

an' GOD might call upon you at ANY minute to mete out justice on his behalf (you know - cause an all-powerful entity has no powers of his own)

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
6. See #8
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 01:36 PM
Apr 2015

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
14. Great rules
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 01:49 PM
Apr 2015

And while I don't mean to diminish them one bit, the folks that would actually live by them are probably fairly safe as it is. It's the ones who would think - I ain' gonna get caught. An' 'sides that, I ain't gonna do nuthin' what's stupid, so I ain't gotta worry 'bout it! All them purdy rules is fer those intellectooal rubes what ain' got no common cents!

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
17. True that some won't be smart...but that's why we need a stronger license.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 02:04 PM
Apr 2015

The carry permits and point of sale "checks" are a joke. It's time that people who are "not smart" should find it hard or impossible to possess a gun. I forgot #10 about accidental discharges. There should be a license. When this guy had an unsecured gun and accidental discharge, he should lose the license and guns so he could not participate in shooting. Simple.

If you had to present a license to buy guns and ammo, transport a gun, or use a gun while hunting, etc.; then the license would make it much harder for random stupid things to happen.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
22. I'm with you
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 02:26 PM
Apr 2015

but the worth of all the things you propose is in the ENFORCEMENT. Without credible, consequential enforcement - stupid things are still gonna happen.
Sure, with such rules in place, someone who accidentally or intentionally shoots another person will probably do time. But that'll be little comfort to the person who was the victim of unenforceable rules ignored by a scofflaw. Again, my observation is that laws are for the law-abiding. I admit I'm pessimistic when it comes to the use of tools designed to kill things. Even tho I learned to shoot with my dad's .22 - even tho I qualified as Expert Marksman" in the service of my country - I see guns as evil things. They were conceived as tools of death and that's how they've served us thru time. They weren't a necessary response to an epidemic of paper targets that threatened mankind.
Since I can see no REAL need for them to exist at all (anywhere), I see rules regarding their handling akin to making sure you know just how to pet your pet rattlesnake.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
16. While I would cheerfully favor
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 02:04 PM
Apr 2015

confiscating guns outright, I know that won't happen, and your list is so incredibly sensible that no thinking person could possibly oppose it. Gives you a hint of what I think of those who oppose your requirements.

Somewhat more to the point of the OP, I'm constantly flabbergasted at these incidents, and they happen pretty much every day. I'm guessing only a fraction ever make the news. How dumb can someone who owns a gun be? Very dumb, apparently.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
25. As a rifle owner, most of this list makes perfect sense to me.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 02:39 PM
Apr 2015

It is similar to Australian law that I've read about.

Myself, as well, have thought about a need for guns to be insured, but in an accident - or worse, owner and shooter could be sued in court for damages anyway. And insurance won't pay for public / government costs.

As a rifle gun owner who is anti-handgun and anti-semi-automatic long-guns with large capacity magazines ( more than five rounds) I have posted the text below many times at varying open media websites::

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Guns don't kill people, going to movies does!
- The NRA, lobbying to bring more death and sadness to America's families at the taxpayers' expense* is our business.

(*Taxpayers expenses include but are not limited to: police hours, prosecutor hours, government vehicles and insurance, gas, vehicle repairs, prison food, prison clothes, chains, water, court costs, judges salaries, district attorney pay, court heating & electric, prison heat & electric, other court employees, jailer costs, public defenders, hospitalization, welfare to victim's families, property liability insurance, coroner fees, cremation fees and other associated costs relating to gun crime.)

Remember! Only CRIMINALS shoot people illegally with guns.
Legal gun owners like (insert name: JAMES HOLMES) aren't actually CRIMINALS UNTIL they shoot someone!

""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""



 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
15. Figures the supposedly "law abiding" gun toter would try to hide the weapon and obstruct justice.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 01:53 PM
Apr 2015

Folks who tote aren't as law-abiding as they want us to think. There are plenty of discussions on the Internet of what to do - and not say -- when you screw up and shoot your gun and endanger people. There was even such a discussion in the RKBA Group here just a few months before another supposedly law-abiding gun toter killed unarmed Trayvon Martin.

Price we are forced to pay so gun fanciers can walk around with a gun in their pants.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
18. Hey, give the guy a break.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 02:07 PM
Apr 2015

You never know when the old lady in the pew behind you will attack with the collection plate. Scary stuff.

Paladin

(28,254 posts)
21. Anybody who brings a gun to church is actively hoping for a chance to use it.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 02:25 PM
Apr 2015

Any notions of reluctant, regretful, had-to-do-it self defense have been thrown to the wayside by such an individual.

sarisataka

(18,633 posts)
27. We usually have two gun carriers
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 02:55 PM
Apr 2015

at the children's mass. I don't think they are actively hoping for a chance to use it.

Paladin

(28,254 posts)
34. Designated gun carriers? Known to be trained and trustworthy?
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 03:14 PM
Apr 2015

Totally different circumstances. But you knew that already, didn't you?

sarisataka

(18,633 posts)
39. Both happen to be
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 04:09 PM
Apr 2015

In law enforcement. But they do fall under 'anybody'...

I have also carried rarely due to my work schedule. I am not a LEO but I have much more training than both of the others. My life plan is no never fire at another human again.

raccoon

(31,110 posts)
23. In HUCKLEBERRY FINN, the two feuding families, Shepherdsons and Grangerfords, took guns to church.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 02:32 PM
Apr 2015

Maybe this man's family was feuding with another family.


 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
29. Maybe he just had stigmata
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 02:59 PM
Apr 2015

People like this are a good reason to bring a gun to church, since there might be some jerk with a gun there...

dembotoz

(16,802 posts)
43. been to a couple of churches where someone broke out speaking in tounges
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 04:25 PM
Apr 2015

freaked the shit out of little old methodist me

i can understand the need for protection

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
58. Because he lives in a demon haunted world
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 11:21 PM
Apr 2015

where at any moment a crazed gunman may appear and he'll have to use his not-so-finely-honed gun-slinging skills to save himself.

tblue37

(65,340 posts)
49. What makes the writer think that people aren't carrying at petting zoos and kindergarten graduation
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 09:38 PM
Apr 2015

ceremonies?

They carry at kids sports games--even elementary school aged soccer games! This guy carried his gun into church and it went off accidentally. If someone carries into a petting zoo or a kindergarten graduation ceremony, the same sort of accidental discharge is just as likely to happen.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
52. No big deal. Just another well trained member of the well-regulated militia
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 10:08 PM
Apr 2015

Probably on an undercover mission.

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