Alps Germanwings crash co-pilot Lubitz 'made prediction'

[Surya Gayatri]

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Source: BBC News

The Germanwings co-pilot thought to have deliberately crashed his Airbus in the French Alps, killing 150 people, predicted "one day everyone will know my name", his ex-girlfriend says.
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Meanwhile, German newspaper Die Welt said that investigators had found evidence of a serious "psychosomatic illness", and that Lubitz had been "treated by several neurologists and psychiatrists".

Several medicines used to treat mental illnesses were found at his home, but there were no signs of drug or alcohol addiction, the newspaper, citing an unnamed investigator, said.

'Too much pressure'

French investigator Jean-Pierre Michel also told the AFP news agency that the pilot's personality was "a serious lead [in the investigation] but... can't be the only one".



Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32098578

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Another link from BBC article to further info straight from a reliable German source:

http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article138877866/Andreas-L-hatte-schwere-psychosomatische-Erkrankung.html

Andreas L. hatte schwere "psychosomatische Erkrankung" (Andreas L. had severe "psychosomatic illness)

Who was Andreas L.? According to information from the "Welt am Sonntag" the German Wings copilot fought with severe psychosomatic disease. Investigators found numerous medications in his apartment.

According to the investigator, Andreas L. suffered from a "strong subjective overload syndrome" and was severely depressed: "This is clear from personal notes taken by the pilot and collected." The seized computers and documents by Andreas L. were evaluated further. Doctors, friends, colleagues and acquaintances of the pilot were currently being questioned. The girlfriend was consulted. Andreas L. was last on sick leave from 19 to 26 March--had the medical certificates but did not file them with his employer.

[ailsagirl]

1. That's chilling

[Surya Gayatri]

3. No kidding...gives a whole new meaning to 'Fear of Flying'...

[ailsagirl]

7. I never liked flying in the first place...

but now..!!!

Ironic, isn't it, that the reinforced doors to the cockpit, which were put in place to keep crazy passengers from harming the pilots, have now served to protect crazy pilots who are intent on harming the passengers.

What a world we live in

[Surya Gayatri]

10. I've never been overly anxious, but this sure makes you want

to know the mental state of those guys in the cockpit!

[Faygo Kid]

2. No. I have depression; that does not make you a mass murderer.

It makes you reclusive, with the smallest tasks difficult. It can lead to substance abuse, and suicide. But it does not make you a mass murderer. Think Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, Columbine. Most depressives just withdraw, accept their fate (without help), and have no desire to harm others. I do not accept depression alone for such an act. It's more megalomania. It's certainly mental illness of a form. Think Charles Manson and the others cited above. It's mass murder. That is way beyond depression.

[Surya Gayatri]

4. Talk to the investigator and the reliable media sources who are reporting...

The guy obviously had serious mental issues, whatever their actual definition, and was concealing them from his employer.

[LiberalEsto]

6. Investigators are not medical doctors, and may not understand mental issies

I would like to hear what the psychiatrists and neurologists have to say.

[Surya Gayatri]

9. Medical professionals are an intrinsic part of the

Special Prosecutor's team.

How the devil could you do a forensic investigation without them? Duh!

[DFW]

5. You could well be right

But the fact remains that the co-pilot had serious mental issues that were known and documented. He had no business being in charge of a passenger plane, and Lufthansa had no business letting him attain that position.

I fly that airline and route frequently. Last night, we had friends over from near Haltern, some of whom know people who were directly affected. I fly in and out of Düsseldorf dozens of times a year. This is not a theoretical issue to us, our friends or our family.

[ailsagirl]

16. When you originally reported the plane crash, DFW...

you couldn't have known this was the cause of it. I can't imagine what you must be feeling. Were I you, I'd still be trembling...

[DFW]

22. MY wife is not thrilled with my travel plans on Monday

But we can't put the world on hold, even for this.

[Surya Gayatri]

33. Oh my god, DFW, I just realized...if you fly that route often,

you've probably flown with him as your co-pilot!

Too scary to contemplate.

He might well have been up there in the cockpit, casing the place, looking for an opening, waiting to find himself alone...

HOLEEEE SHIT!

[ailsagirl]

34. This is true

But I can say I certainly know how she must feel.

Take care!

[ailsagirl]

8. "It makes you reclusive, with the smallest tasks difficult"

Spot-on, Faygo Kid. That's depression in a nutshell...

[sendero]

11. I agree...

... however depression is quite often part of a large set of mental issues. It's pretty clear this guy's issues go way beyond depression.

[Surya Gayatri]

12. ^^^This!^^^

'this guy's issues go way beyond depression...'

[zentrum]

13. Yes, people with depression

…..are being stigmatized in the media. But there's no way that depression is the root here.

Read more about him—he was a flaming narcissist—who wanted everyone "to know his name". When he started to realize he wasn't ultimately going to pass the tests needed to be a pilot—he imposed his will on everyone. "You thwart me? I'll destroy you all!", kind of thing.

If you read all the material coming out about him, his eyes were starting to have problems, (hence effecting his pilot test), his girlfriend had just rejected him——it was a perfect storm for a narcissist.

[ProudProg2u]

14. Whats more important "personal privacy" or the lives of 150 inocent humans..

Difficult answer, but I know how is see it. And it's clear, it may ruin a persons career but serious mental discovery by the employers intrusted with the public safety regular "Polygraph tests" with a list of questions to be answered and agreed to at any time of employment, prior to being hired as a pilot. (Especially moving people through the air) outweigh all other considerations. And a way for a pilot or airline employee, someone outside the cockpit to absolutely be able to gain entry in an emergency.Along with a second person to never leave one pilot alone by themselves is required.

[DFW]

23. The "two persons present" rule has already been implemented in Germany

Just in time for me to fly on German Wings from Düsseldorf to Barcelona!

[Surya Gayatri]

25. Vexed question that goes to the heart of the reality

of an 'open and free' society.

In any case, Lufthansa is surely tightening up medical reporting requirements as we speak.

[jtuck004]

15. Still just brownshirts beating up on this guy? No direct evidence? n/t

[Surya Gayatri]

17. No, further revelations from the Special Prosecutor

and his medical team. Findings shared between German and French investigators.

Here, read this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32098578
Alps Germanwings crash co-pilot Lubitz 'made prediction'

[jtuck004]

18. So no direct evidence, still, but a sea of old WWI shirts, and plenty of self-righteousness.

Ironic to see what people who think they are so "good" can become. Sounds like Indiana can't contain them all.

[Surya Gayatri]

19. Afraid I can't follow your 'stream of consciousness'...so cannot reply.

[jtuck004]

20. That's ok. You have someone who may be innocent to beat up on. Carry on.

Actually, I think there are probably better things for me to do.

bye.

[Surya Gayatri]

26. 'A plus', as the French say.

[mainstreetonce]

21. We have heard this before

The Germanwings co-pilot thought to have deliberately crashed his Airbus in the French Alps, killing 150 people, predicted "one day everyone will know my name", his ex-girlfriend says.

Sounds like the bragging of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.

[Surya Gayatri]

28. Interesting connection--yes, his preditions (or warnings) if you will,

certainly do have that same deluded, narcissistic ring to them.

[JudyM]

24. IMO, shrinks should report to authorities if a pilot is unfit to fly just as they should if they

suspect that a murder might be committed. Obv. there are issues of privacy, etc, but the public safety risk, as this case demonstrates, should be paramount.

And don't get me started on the STOOPID process failure of one pilot being able to lock another out. Are you kidding me?!

[Surya Gayatri]

29. Germany has very stringent privacy laws that prohibit

a doctor from revealing medical secrets to an employer.

There was supposed to be a 'voluntary honor reporting system' in place. Well, that worked really well, didn't it?

[840high]

27. Imo - the ex-girfriend wants

her 15 minutes - who knows if he really said this.

[Surya Gayatri]

30. If she's being 'heard' by the special prosecutor, she's under oath.

[No Vested Interest]

31. The conversation between the pilot and co-pilot in the minutes before the pilot

left the cockpit need to be analyzed by forensic psychiatrists.

There was a report that that later in the conversation the co-pilot's replies were "curt".
Could he have taken offensive at the words or manner of something the pilot said?

One of the psychiatrists on the tv discussion last evening felt the act by the co-pilot was done on an impulse.
I'm inclined to go with that theory.
Perhaps thoughts of revenge/destruction were latent until brought forth by something Lubitz took from the conversation with the pilot.

I'm not blaming the pilot by any means.
All of us know how words can be misconstrued by a listener, no matter ow well-intentioned the speaker may have been.

[Surya Gayatri]

35. Yes, it will be interesting to read the translated transcript

once it comes out.

That being said, when you don't speak the original language, it's hard to 'feel' what's going on.

I'm sure German linguists and voice analysts have been recruited by the French prosecutor's team.

[PatrynXX]

32. Sounds like a severe form of OCD

I should know I have it. late 1990's tried to blind myself several times. the root cause was panic attacks but it was listed as OCD for age. ie I shouldn't be anywhere near a gun. bit hard to explain. something in my head keeps saying do it. Probably like Robin Williams. Nice cliff. and a voice that says do it. and it won't leave me alone On meds for this. Klonepene seems to work the best. But basically he had no business flying a plane course we'll never know because the prosecutor leaked this stuff so there's no way we'll ever know what really happened..

[Surya Gayatri]

36. It wasn't him personally, but somebody on his team, who I'm

sure has been severely sanctioned.

Somebody from the NYTimes got to them. That doesn't mean, however, that the closest thing to truth won't ultimately come out. There seems to be a fairly damning 'paper trail'.

This is the most important take away:
'But basically he had no business flying a plane...'

[Sissyk]

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