'Huge gaps' in Clinton email record, Benghazi probe chief says

[candelista]

Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Huge gaps exist in the emails former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has provided to a congressional committee investigating the 2012 attack on a U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, the panel's chairman said on Sunday.

Republican Representative Trey Gowdy said his committee lacked documentation from Clinton's trip to Libya after the attack despite a popular photo image of her using a handheld device during a flight to that country.

"We have no emails from that day. In fact we have no emails from that trip," said Gowdy, who heads the committee in the U.S. House of Representatives. "There are huge gaps."

Widely considered the frontrunner for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination, Clinton used a private email account for all official business as President Barack Obama's secretary of state from 2009 to 2013.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/huge-gaps-clinton-email-record-benghazi-probe-chief-192615720.html

[SoapBox]

1. There will never, ever be anything that will satisfy Pukes and Baggers.

[Skittles]

12. or plenty of asshole DUers

[Android3.14]

20. Because, you know, shit like that's awful unless a Democrat does it

It's funny, but real people recognize there is a problem here, not only for her plans to campaign, but in principle as well.

Until the name callers have the ethical fortitude to acknowledge that her email shenanigans were at the very least ill-considered, I cannot treat anyone in this peanut gallery with any regard.

[Evergreen Emerald]

36. I disagree

Unless by "real" people you mean people who will believe any factless distortion, lie, innuendo promulgated by anyone.

"Ethical fortitude," that cracks me up. You have no clue what the facts are and whether or not the process was "ill considered." But, seriously, don't let anything stand in the way of a negative Hillary story.

It does not matter whether the attacks are true to republican voters. They are awash in ignorance and will believe anything that justifies their stances. I just thought we had a higher standard on DU.

[1StrongBlackMan]

42. I've wondered, of late ...

Why Democrats fill compelled towards "Ethical fortitude" ... but only as an attack on Democrats?

[Jazzgirl]

65. I'm wondering too!!!

ive seen nothing but wah wah Hilary this and that and how she "must address" the email questions. And now Benghazi rears its ugly head again????? Puh-leeze.....

[candelista]

72. Don't they do the same to Republicans?

[Skittles]

58. THANK YOU

those who lack critical thinking skills fail to understand the difference

[1StrongBlackMan]

41. LOL ... Name callers! ... LOL ...

It's funny, but real people recognize there is a problem here, not only for her plans to campaign, but in principle as well.

Until the name callers have the ethical fortitude to acknowledge that her email shenanigans were at the very least ill-considered, I cannot treat anyone in this peanut gallery with any regard.

Who would these REAL PEOPLE be?

[candelista]

44. +1

[Android3.14]

48. Ah, I'm referring to those posters that actually represent themselves

During the day, there is a contingent of "unreal" super-duper posters, sockpuppets, product promoters and others who are obviously phony individuals. They have their own faux cheerleaders, faux sycophants, and faux jurists. These are what I call the "other motivated".

After working hours, they tend to go quiet.

I'm confident you understand.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

53. if you dont laugh at DU, you will scream, with friends like this, Democrats dont need enemies

[Skittles]

57. I didn't support Hillary because of her IWR stance

so don't mistake me for some Hillary-loving version of the BOG swooners

[Android3.14]

62. But are you okay with her, and Republicans...

But are you okay with her, and Republicans maintaining private email accounts in order to conduct government business?

[Skittles]

63. it is bullshit issue

[Android3.14]

64. That's a non answer

I recognize that some folks will reject any criticism of Clinton, but the double standard in this case is rather blatant.

[Jazzgirl]

66. Don't waste your time Skittles.....

n/t

[CanadaexPat]

17. There's no way to disprove what he's said.

That's the risk of controlling your own records. An obvious risk.

[stonecutter357]

2. Of course I am voting Hillary.

[Big_Mike]

47. To be honest, I'll vote for whoever ends up with the party nomination

Although I will probably have to hold my nose while doing it.

Please, Elizabeth, allow me to breathe normally!

[Iliyah]

3. Oh gawd are you effing kidding me, seriously

These people are sick.

[SkyDaddy7]

32. BENGHAZI!!!!!!!

BENGHAZI!!!!!!!
BENGHAZI!!!!!!!
BENGHAZI!!!!!!!
BENGHAZI!!!!!!!
BENGHAZI!!!!!!!
BENGHAZI!!!!!!!
BENGHAZI!!!!!!!
BENGHAZI!!!!!!!
BENGHAZI!!!!!!!
BENGHAZI!!!!!!!

[wordpix]

38. I knew this email business would lead back to BENGHAZI

[SkyDaddy7]

50. All roads lead to BENGHAZI!!!!

in the crazy make believe land of Conservative manufactured scandals!

Hillary should have never gave them this opening regardless of how ridiculous it is she should know the media would run with it! I just hope she is open from here on out so they can't use anything else...I like Hillary but she scares me because I think she thinks she can act just like they do & she can't! I know it is not fair but right now that is the way the country is.

[C Moon]

4. gasp!

It would be so amusing if the Democratic party chose someone other than Hillary Clinton for the 2016 election.
I only say this because I love seeing the Koch brothers' money wasted.

...If I were a time traveler from the 40's, I'm sure I would think the Koch Brothers were characters from a Frank Capra movie I hadn't seen yet.

[MADem]

5. Uh...duuuuuuh...maybe she was ... TEXTING? Reading a text? Reviewing old emails?

Playing minesweeper? Looking at LOLCATS?


?itok=713ejerB

They need to keep sayin' her name!!!!

[the_sly_pig]

6. BENGHAZI!!!!!!

(boo!!)

[Half-Century Man]

7. The biggest gaps in this story are the one Gowdy's synapses has to fire across.

Based on the evidence of what leaves his mouth, he has a lot more brain case than he has brains.

[Historic NY]

8. Lintseed Graham never sent an e-mail...

and they are suddenly surprised there were no emails from SOS Clinton on that day. I wonder if they think there isn't other ways of communication. Dumb asses.

[Ken Burch]

9. I thought they'd given up on Benghazi already.

They've had three investigations that found no wrongdoing...how much more do they freaking need?

[mercuryblues]

28. Even more

confusing is that with all these investigations the republicans never noticed her email address or the "huge" gap before now. This reeks of lies, smears and bullshit.

If they truly never noticed either of those until now they are dumber than a doorknob and should resign.

[herding cats]

10. Because she was using her phone in a pic taken during that trip she had to be using her email?

This is a perfect example of Republican Benghazi logic.

[yurbud]

11. it almost sounded serious until it got to Benghazi

[sarge43]

25. Jump the shark; nuke the fridge, BENGHAZI n/t

[BeanMusical]

13. That stupid Benghazi thing again?

Can someone explain to me what exactly they are accusing her of? Serious question, I'm kind of lost.

[Android3.14]

18. Might a suggest wikipedia?

All sorts of useful information there.

[1StrongBlackMan]

43. Yes ... "USEFUL" ...

the question is, useful for what?

[Android3.14]

49. Why, I do believe I understand

We all need to make ends meet. It must be a distasteful job, though.

[Jazzgirl]

67. Wiki has the reputation of a Turd.

Seriously?

[Android3.14]

68. I'll stack my documentation against yours any day

Free online wikipedia almost as accurate as Encyclopedia Brittannica
Oxford University study showing accuracy is still comparable in 2012
Seems like someone might need to reconsider where she finds her online information.

[BeanMusical]

70. Oh, impressive!

Yawn.

[BeanMusical]

59. OFFS.

[Android3.14]

61. New to the intertubes, are we?

'Sokay.

[BeanMusical]

69. No, the stupidity of your reply just gave me diarrhea.

[mimi85]

14. Two words...

yahoo news

[blkmusclmachine]

15. More evidence that the GOP is in total desperation mode.

[OldRedneck]

16. Take a look.

This is my DILLIGAS face.



DILLIGAS = Do I Look Like I Give A Shit

[quadrature]

19. the emails deleted themselves ...

move along.
no crime here

[geek tragedy]

21. So now the Hillary Haters are on the Benghazi Express

Like we knew they would be. A little sooner than expected though.

[marble falls]

22. When and if Hillary gets the go, I'll vote for her. But e-mail thing is serious and troubling....

and should never be allowed to happen again. I thinks it certainly could be used to hide intentions and agenda and the record needs to be in our national archives.

[greymattermom]

23. email is never private

Hillary knows this. Anything secret will never be sent in email. This is a distraction to keep her name in the news for months. A scandal with nothing scandalous. I think Hillary is behind this email thing herself. It keeps the Fox types occupied. Next thing you know, Whitewater will be back.

[underpants]

24. There is nothing in here that we want!!!!

They are upset because their joke of committee can't find what they want to justify this waste of time.

[Sancho]

26. How many times does it have to be said...

First, secret material was never sent by email. If Hillary was sending it by email, then it was not secret.
Otherwise, it could have been text messages, wedding cake recipes, or whatever.

The entire reason for controlling your own email is to keep the GOP from making a big deal out of every word. Hillary, Jeb, and lots of others were doing the same thing. It was smart and it seems to have worked.

The Senate has been given all the relevant email (months ago). No matter what, the GOP are going to continue to bring up the Benghazi stuff because they love CIs and it gets them all rabid.

Whether or not you are a Hillary fan, this is getting old.

[BeyondGeography]

27. What does the Minister of Silly Walks say?

"Benghazi probe chief." Very impressive.

[OKNancy]

29. Huge glaring error in his statement

Republican Representative Trey Gowdy said his committee lacked documentation from Clinton's trip to Libya after the attack despite a popular photo image of her using a handheld device during a flight to that country.

"We have no emails from that day. In fact we have no emails from that trip," said Gowdy, who heads the committee in the U.S. House of Representatives. "There are huge gaps."

I think I will write a separate post about it. LOL

ETA: and here it is: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026335404

[davidmp]

30. BLUE VIRGINIA

Does any body else think Trey is a sperm impersonator? Even with the new haircut?

[Orsino]

31. Reminds me, somehow, of creationists' demands for "missing links."

Fill a hole in the fossil record with a transitional form, and they'll claim that creates two new holes.

Using the word "gap" implies that e-mails were sent at all during the periods referenced, something the Benghazi salesmen can't know.

[GOLGO 13]

33. Go ahead & look

She beat you before. She'll beat you this time as well. In 2016 she will beat you all again.

Nothing can stop her...nothing.

[candelista]

45. Yep, she's gonna win. It's in the Bible.

http://www.satansrapture.com/hillary2016.htm

[Sick_of_TP]

34. That picture was from a year before!

Those attack dopes can't figure out that picture was from almost a year before B..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026335404

[OKNancy]

37. the people who rec'd this thread

don't care if it is true or not

[DallasNE]

35. This Sounds Like A New Request For Data

So how can this represent "huge gaps"? Plus, did the GOP have anything to say about Colin Powell deleting all of his private email from when he was SOS. And that is on top of the over 1 million email's the Bush Whitehouse deleted from the RNC email server they all used. If there is a scandal it is all of the email deleted by Bush administration officials. Gowdy looks to be barking up the wrong tree.

[wordpix]

39. Let's see Jeb's emails to/from FL land developers from his private email acct

and then we're even

[DCBob]

40. Why assume she's emailing?? Most likely texting or just reviewing messages.

Brainless idiots.

[father founding]

46. Who knows

Maybe the emails are with the tape from the Citgo gas station.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

51. Bullshit, Benghazi probe chief is lying asshole motherphucker

[chillfactor]

52. consider who made the comment

a**hole nutcase himself....

[yourout]

54. When it comes to the Benghazi brigade 8 hours would be a huge gap since they never sleep and....

their clock is always on Benghazi time.

[procon]

55. Check the dates, Gowdy, you stoopid moran!

Gowdy, like most Republicans, is a self made fool. Here he is, rubbing his hind legs together and clicking his mandibles over a photo that he thinks shows Clinton on a trip to Libya after the September 2012 attack on a U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya.

Look at the date of the photo:

That image was taken on on Oct. 18, 2011 by Diana Walker on assignment for TIME when Clinton was on her way to meet with new Libyan Leaders in Tripoli to pledges U.S. help to a 'Free Libya'.

Read more: Texts From Hillary, The Backstory - LightBox http://lightbox.time.com/2012/04/09/texting-hillary-clinton/#ixzz3Tw3fr1Ep


Islamic militants didn't attack the American compound in Benghazi until September 11, 2012, a year later!

[jpak]

56. Hugh Gap in Moran's Brain

yup

[Sancho]

60. There is nothing missing...Senator on the Senate Committee has said so...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11072075

[candelista]

71. How do they know?

That's the point at issue. She gave them what she wanted to give them, and deleted the rest.

[Sancho]

73. As she explained...

if you send an email from your account (hillary.com or whatever) to ANY .gov account then the .gov server captures it. All her work related emails went to or from other staff and officials who were on a .gov server. Only ONE side needs to be captured to meet the letter of the law. In fact, the State had all her emails over the entire four years if they collected them from all the others who she exchanged email with...except her daughter and personal emails.

Sooo....unless you are doing government business by emailing yourself (from hillary.com to hillary.com), then all .gov email was captured on both her server AND whatever .gov server sent/received it. She provided her server side in case the government lost any of their side.

Finally, she had her staff and counsel go through all personal emails and send copies of anything that might be "government business" to the State department.

As she said, there was NO secret material on any email. Also, the server was set up for President Clinton when he was President, and it had the best security. No personal nor government email from that server has ever been made public by a hacker.

Also, she asked all the work related emails to be released to the public. The public does not get to see Hillary's yoga class schedule, cookie recipe, or hairdresser colors.

Just like ALL employees, you choose who you email privately. You don't have to give most private emails to anyone without cause.

[marshall]

74. That assumes she is the only one who chose a non-.gov email

Other people could have been just as concerned with protecting their own privacy--Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton can't be the only two politicians to use a private email address.

[Sancho]

75. Think about it....is there ANYONE who would only have a government email?

Even if Hillary had a government only email, she could have used a private email (legally) to do government business AS LONG AS SHE SAVED A COPY. That was the law at the time. In this case, she purposefully sent email to .gov accounts as a way to make sure that government emails were captured.

Lots of government officials (including other Secretaries of State) used private email accounts. Colin Powell's emails (unlike Hillary's) are missing! Hillary is the only person that we know of who has agreed to release them all to the public.

Jeb Bush and Scott Walker had their own servers. There probably were lots of other private servers that we never heard about.

[candelista]

76. No.

You said, "All her work related emails went to or from other staff and officials who were on a .gov server...."

How do you know this? Because Hillary is telling the truth about it? Should we take it on faith that she never exchanged emails about contributions for the Clinton Foundation with some Abu Dhabi sheik who needed a US Government favor?

We will never know whether she did anything like this because she has, at her own discretion, destroyed all the emails that might reveal the truth.

[Sancho]

77. Because State Department staff also said that's what she did...

They have been clear for over a year with the Benghazi investigation that State Department staff were involved in every aspect of international deals, and they vetted many of the transactions to make sure they didn't violate any rules. The Secretary of State is in charge. If you don't trust her, then elect a repub and you'll get another Condi and another war!

You must think Hillary is an idiot. If anyone was making deals and getting kickbacks it was Bush, Cheney, and Halliburton. Hillary has asked that ALL her work emails be released. Where are Colin Powell's (missing), Hagal's (missing), Condi's (said she didn't send any; haha!)...etc., etc. Do you really believe that Condi never send a private email to Rove's private server that we know existed?? Have you seen any hacked email (Snowden?) or other communication that Hillary did something wrong? NO! Why, because nothing is there...if you are a Hillary hater, fine, but don't fall for the Fox BS!

Actually, staff reported the entire server was backed up twice (once by Google in 2011 I think, and once by McAffee in 2014) as she left office. It was her choice to have professional counsel go through and delete personal emails. I suspect that was because her medical information, Bill Clinton's medical stuff, etc. were on that server that was set up for him, and they didn't want to give the GOP any more crap to carry on about. Remember that the CIA was spying on Senate staff. Hillary was smart to stay off of government accounts where half the employees are repub assholes.

If she had any "deals" then she could just as easily have texted or even verbally told someone - so why put something illegal on email?!!? That's pretty crazy with staff running around. It's just a right wing conspiracy theory with no foundation or evidence or reality.

[candelista]

80. That's like reading two copies of the morning newspaper to check the facts.

Of course her staff is going to defend her.

But your loyalty is touching.

[Sancho]

81. Not loyalty at all, that's how it works...

Hillary is entirely correct (at her press meeting). All government employees are responsible for determining what is personal and what is private anyway. Everyone can be trained in what is secret, and staff can keep tabs on things, but in the long run everyone makes the choice about their own phone calls, emails, text messages, etc.

Even if you have a government phone, there's no one to prevent you from picking up the private phone and calling Putin! If he takes the call, then you are doing business on your private phone. There's no reason you can't send a personal email on your government computer. You may know that the email is now in the FOIA domain, but maybe you send a personal one anyway.

Unless you are weird and "never sent an email" or "never texted" in your life, then you had to chose in every case what is work and what is personal. If I meet someone through work, but want to invite them to my daughter's wedding, then business crosses into personal. That's why Hillary had counsel go through and make choices just to be sure that no work stuff morphed into personal or vice versa.

I'm not advocating for Hillary nor going on a wild witch hunt. It is simply correct that the public can NEVER know everything in every politician's life unless we change the rules so that work vs. personal is NOT self-selected! In that case, the official can be watched by cameras, followed by drones, and every word is recorded and posted in public. Is that what you advocate? If not, there is NO WAY for anyone EXCEPT STAFF or the person themself to be the gatekeeper.

Logically, Hillary did what all government employees do at some level.

[Sancho]

78. Now that I think about it...

the only way you could have proof that Hillary or any other official was telling the truth would be to have all their private and work related:

email
text messages
audio recordings (remember the Nixon Watergate tapes)
videos
photographs
travel logs
visitor logs
staff records
phone records
phone recordings
bank records
etc., etc..

Basically, you want Star Trek! "Computer, play back what the Ambassador from Planet X said."
Hillary's private life is private.

[candelista]

82. Do you know how "Sancho!" is used in Spanish in Mexico?

They say it when a guy sneezes. The meme is that if you sneeze, your wife is being unfaithful to you with some generic guy named "Sancho."

[Vinca]

79. Hillary might as well do it - produce the grocery lists, wedding plans and Christmas check list.

That, of course, won't be enough. More, Benghazi, more, Benghazi, we need more, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi.

[candelista]

83. They are GONE. That's what she said.

She deleted them. Of course that's what anyone would do with wedding plans and funeral arrangements. There would be no reason, financial or sentimental, to keep any of them. In fact they are so potentially unuseful that the entire hard drive that contains them should probably be destroyed.

[Vinca]

84. I believe her when she says they're deleted.

She's probably as tech savvy as I am and I routinely delete my personal emails and haven't a clue where they go or if they can ever come back. I think people are reading too much into this. Many of us who are of Hillary's generation are just not that up on it all.

[candelista]

85. Your faith is touching.

[Vinca]

86. I'm not a Hillary fan by any stretch of the imagination.

I just think she's probably half a technophobe like me.