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Pharaoh

(8,209 posts)
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 09:57 PM Feb 2015

Julian Assange appeals to Sweden's supreme court over arrest warrant

Source: The Guardian

Julian Assange is taking his appeal to Sweden’s highest court in a final attempt to persuade a Swedish judge that the arrest warrant against him should be lifted.

His lawyers will ask Sweden’s supreme court on Wednesday to agree that the “severe limitations” on Assange’s freedoms since he claimed asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy in London in 2012 to escape extradition to Sweden are unreasonable and disproportionate to the case.

In August 2010, the WikiLeaks founder and campaigning journalist was accused by two women of rape and sexual molestation, but he has not been charged because the prosecutor insists she is unable to interview him about the allegations.

Prosecutor Marianne Ny has declined invitations by Assange to do so in London, where he has taken refuge in the embassy to avoid a perceived threat of extradition to the US for publishing military secrets. Assange denies all the charges.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/feb/25/julian-assange-appeals-sweden-supreme-court-arrest-warrant

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Julian Assange appeals to Sweden's supreme court over arrest warrant (Original Post) Pharaoh Feb 2015 OP
Edited to add Pharaoh Feb 2015 #1
Yes, have a good time there, but only in compliance with Sweden's fucking laws. Make sure you first 24601 Feb 2015 #2
Nonsense. candelista Feb 2015 #16
Hey, Sweden isn't keeping him from making more awesome music! snooper2 Feb 2015 #3
So your entire view of a country depends on whether their government geek tragedy Feb 2015 #8
What assault? candelista Feb 2015 #17
you may want to consult a dictionary before using words like 'baseless' nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #18
Don't patronize me. If it's not baseless, what is your basis? candelista Feb 2015 #23
the same as every sexual assault case--the account of the victim. nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #24
"the “severe limitations” on Assange’s freedoms since he claimed asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy.." brooklynite Feb 2015 #4
And immediately whisked off Pharaoh Feb 2015 #5
Let's review US policy on leakers... brooklynite Feb 2015 #10
The first two are US citizens Paulie Feb 2015 #11
I've seen no evidence that President Obama and Attorney General holder have done this. If you have 24601 Feb 2015 #42
I don't tend to use \sarc\ tags when I think it's obvious... brooklynite Feb 2015 #43
So we allowed him to walk around England for two years untouched hack89 Feb 2015 #12
You''d like that, wouldn't you? candelista Feb 2015 #19
Actually, I've swallowed Occam's Razor... brooklynite Feb 2015 #33
Be careful it doesn't cut you goin down. candelista Feb 2015 #36
Feel free to provide them... brooklynite Feb 2015 #39
Yeah, his "severe limitations" are 100% self-inflicted. cemaphonic Feb 2015 #46
Considering he choose those limitations hack89 Feb 2015 #6
He "chose" these limitations? candelista Feb 2015 #20
He voluntarily went into the embassy. hack89 Feb 2015 #25
That's a grotesque distortion of the use of the word, "voluntary." candelista Feb 2015 #27
He is a fugitive from justice. hack89 Feb 2015 #29
When the robber says, "Your money or your life!" he gives you a choice. candelista Feb 2015 #37
Except Assange is not the victim here. nt hack89 Feb 2015 #44
Ipse dixit. nt candelista Feb 2015 #52
No. The legal systems of both Sweden and England say it is so hack89 Feb 2015 #53
... "Julian Assange has been kept under house arrest for two years with no medical treatment, struggle4progress Mar 2015 #68
“It’s possible that I’m condemned to death,” Assange told during the interview struggle4progress Mar 2015 #72
It's often necessary to conflate "voluntary" and "coerce" to better validate one's POV. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #69
How is that different from "twisting"? candelista Mar 2015 #71
Similar to someone who, christx30 Feb 2015 #41
Kick elias49 Feb 2015 #7
Poor poor Julian. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2015 #9
Yes, he let his penis do his thinking for him. candelista Feb 2015 #38
Will the self admitted rapist turn himself in... joshcryer Feb 2015 #13
Self-admitted rapist? candelista Feb 2015 #21
Mr. Assange's attorneys. His legal argument against extradition msanthrope Feb 2015 #31
neither his attorneys nor Mr Assange himself 'admitted' reorg Mar 2015 #63
Utter nonsense. Attacking a sleeping woman, unable to give consent, is rape. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #66
LOL, neither Mr Assange nor his attorneys 'admitted' reorg Mar 2015 #67
If the US wanted him, why did they not extradite him when he was in UK custody? Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #14
It's like the guy who murders his parents and throws himself msanthrope Feb 2015 #15
Can't you find a less stale simile? candelista Feb 2015 #22
If your biggest complaint about said simile... gcomeau Feb 2015 #28
It's amazing what a bunch of self-styled liberals can come up with.... candelista Feb 2015 #26
Rape is not a liberal value. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #30
I see you're posting all over this thread, Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #34
Because he's not guilty?? nt elias49 Feb 2015 #50
He COULD be innocent, but he's definitely not "not guilty" brooklynite Feb 2015 #55
The word "guilt" is not the property of lawyers and judges. candelista Mar 2015 #70
It's amazing what a bunch of self-styled liberals can come up with.... EX500rider Feb 2015 #58
So if he looses his court case, will he turn himself in and face of jury of his peers? Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #32
I must be dreaming. candelista Feb 2015 #35
you mean, because of the disrespect for women? brooklynite Feb 2015 #40
No, because of the servile acceptance of state sponsored hatred of whistle blowers. candelista Feb 2015 #45
So, when a sexual assault charge is lodged, always questions the prosecutor's political motives... brooklynite Feb 2015 #47
I too am dissapointed Pharaoh Feb 2015 #48
So the women lied about rape? Nice blame the victim there. Nt hack89 Feb 2015 #54
Honorable Justices of the Court, I wish to detail the cruel and unjust treatment struggle4progress Feb 2015 #49
Here, for your reading pleasure... elias49 Feb 2015 #51
The Swedish authorities, in seeking extradition, indicated an allegation was rape, struggle4progress Feb 2015 #56
Pretty messed up...it wasn't rape until it was. elias49 Feb 2015 #57
Here are the four charges against Assange - you tell us if you think it is rape or not. hack89 Mar 2015 #59
Please refer to post #51 nt elias49 Mar 2015 #60
What a shock - Assange's lawyers want to minimize the crime hack89 Mar 2015 #62
You do that...go with the Swedish legal system elias49 Mar 2015 #64
I would rather get my facts from his trial transcript in London hack89 Mar 2015 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Mar 2015 #61
LOL treestar Mar 2015 #73
The “severe limitations on Assange’s freedoms" are self-imposed... Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #74

24601

(3,966 posts)
2. Yes, have a good time there, but only in compliance with Sweden's fucking laws. Make sure you first
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:59 AM
Feb 2015

understand what rights women (and men) have there and comply if you are going to participate. He's just lucky he's not an athlete or DU members would have thrown him under the double-decker bus.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
3. Hey, Sweden isn't keeping him from making more awesome music!
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:49 AM
Feb 2015

One thing I never figured out is WTF is up with towel dude

1:35 in the video



 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
8. So your entire view of a country depends on whether their government
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:45 PM
Feb 2015

is willing to let Assange get away with sexual assault.

brooklynite

(94,902 posts)
4. "the “severe limitations” on Assange’s freedoms since he claimed asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy.."
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:27 PM
Feb 2015

"are unreasonable and disproportionate to the case. "

There's a very easy solution to the limitations on Assange's freedoms; all he had to do is walk out of the Embassy building and fly to Sweden.

brooklynite

(94,902 posts)
10. Let's review US policy on leakers...
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:41 PM
Feb 2015

Chelsea (Bradley) Manning was indicted by the US

Edward Snowden was indicted by the US

Julian Assange wasn't indicted; instead, the US decided to cobble together a fake sexual assault charge to get him extradited to Sweden, where he'd be nabbed and turned over to the US by a complicit Swedish Government.

Seems consistent to me...

24601

(3,966 posts)
42. I've seen no evidence that President Obama and Attorney General holder have done this. If you have
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:20 PM
Feb 2015

any real proof, please share it with the rest of us.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
12. So we allowed him to walk around England for two years untouched
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 04:46 PM
Feb 2015

but now, even with a bright media spotlight, we will kidnap him from the Swedish authorities? Got it.

brooklynite

(94,902 posts)
33. Actually, I've swallowed Occam's Razor...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:28 PM
Feb 2015

Two choices:

The Swedish Government believes a crime may have been committed by Mr. Assange and wants him extradited

The Swedish Government, despite having had no involvement with our recent foreign policy and no particular interest in our national security issues has agreed to join a conspiracy involving trumping up fake charges against Mr. Assange for the the purpose of extraditing him to Sweden where he can be secretly handed over to the US Government (that would be the Obama Administration) and the US Government has apparently decided this is a more rational decision than having had the UK Government extradite him to the US previously, despite a very close relationship with our foreign policy and national security issues.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
36. Be careful it doesn't cut you goin down.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:56 PM
Feb 2015

There are other criteria for theoretical plausibility besides simplicity.

brooklynite

(94,902 posts)
39. Feel free to provide them...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:13 PM
Feb 2015

...particularly why the Social Democrat/Green Party coalition governing Sweden is involved.

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
46. Yeah, his "severe limitations" are 100% self-inflicted.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:52 PM
Feb 2015

This is why I could never be a lawyer. There is no way I could make that argument while keeping a straight face.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
6. Considering he choose those limitations
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:35 PM
Feb 2015

I am not sure what his beef is. What did he expect when he walked into the embassy - a direct flight to some beach in Ecuador?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
25. He voluntarily went into the embassy.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:25 PM
Feb 2015

so he must have known what he was getting into.

He is fugitive from justice. He has no say as what limitations are put on his travel as long as they are legal. Surely you are not arguing that he has the legal right to walk out of that embassy with no risk of arrest?

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
27. That's a grotesque distortion of the use of the word, "voluntary."
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:36 PM
Feb 2015

Congrats, you have twisted the language to make a political point.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
29. He is a fugitive from justice.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:39 PM
Feb 2015

I know it was not his first choice but he did have choices. It was the one he choose. Criminals don't get to complain about hardships that they create for themselves while breaking the law.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
37. When the robber says, "Your money or your life!" he gives you a choice.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:58 PM
Feb 2015

But it would be a misuse of language to say that you handed over your wallet voluntarily.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
53. No. The legal systems of both Sweden and England say it is so
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 01:48 PM
Feb 2015

he is a fugitive from justice with a valid arrest warrant in his name. He is a criminal by definition. Criminals aren't victims.

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
68. ... "Julian Assange has been kept under house arrest for two years with no medical treatment,
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:43 AM
Mar 2015

no sunshine, no family, no nothing, and this harm should be taken into account when applying Swedish law," Per Samuelsson, a lawyer for Assange in Stockholm, told the Guardian ...
Julian Assange lawyers lodge appeal against Swedish ruling


WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange will not leave the Ecuador embassy in London until it is guaranteed he will avoid extradition to the United States, his lawyer said Tuesday ...
Assange will not leave until assured no US extradition
18 AUG 2014 - 6:46 PM UPDATED 19 AUG 2014 - 11:40 AM


WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, who has spent over two years in Ecuador's London embassy to avoid a sex crimes inquiry in Sweden, said on Monday he planned to leave the building "soon" ...
WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange to Leave London Embassy 'Soon'
BY REUTERS 8/18/14 AT 5:32 AM
By Tom Whitehead
2:27PM BST 17 Jun 2013


Julian Assange will not leave Ecuador's embassy even if Sweden drops its extradition bid over accusations of sexual assault, because he fears moves are already underway by the US to prosecute him ...
Assange will not leave Ecuador embassy even if Sweden drops extradition bid
Esther Addley
Tuesday 18 June 2013 16.16 EDT


... " ... He said he was strong enough to stay in our embassy for at least five years ... I hope Mr Assange will not grow old and die in our embassy ... " ...
Assange prepared to stay in embassy for five years
By Tom Whitehead
2:27PM BST 17 Jun 2013

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
72. “It’s possible that I’m condemned to death,” Assange told during the interview
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:17 PM
Mar 2015
Sputnik International
18:44 02.03.2015 (updated 20:14 02.03.2015)
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
69. It's often necessary to conflate "voluntary" and "coerce" to better validate one's POV.
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:50 PM
Mar 2015

It's often necessary to conflate "voluntary" and "coerce" to better validate one's POV. Not so much twisting the language, as simply looking for what best suits one's biases.

Though the user may often self-define it as clever, it's a dead-giveaway that a disingenuous point (or even premise) is being made...

christx30

(6,241 posts)
41. Similar to someone who,
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:19 PM
Feb 2015

to escape arrest, runs to Mexico, and then complains about the water quality.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
38. Yes, he let his penis do his thinking for him.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:00 PM
Feb 2015

Guilty as charged on that one. He got conned by the oldest trick in the book.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
31. Mr. Assange's attorneys. His legal argument against extradition
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:01 PM
Feb 2015

was not that he did not do the acts described in the arrest warrant.

His legal argument was that the acts recounted in the arrest warrant were not crimes in the UK, only Sweden.

That argument lost.....

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/world/20110224-Britain-Ruling-Assange-Extradition-to-Sweden.pdf

reorg

(3,317 posts)
63. neither his attorneys nor Mr Assange himself 'admitted'
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 06:31 PM
Mar 2015

the acts recounted in the arrest warrant, and it is indeed a fact that nobody has ever been convicted of rape due to not using a condom, as you very well know.

reorg

(3,317 posts)
67. LOL, neither Mr Assange nor his attorneys 'admitted'
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:58 AM
Mar 2015

that he 'was attacking a sleeping woman', nor did the woman in question claim that he did, BTW, as you very well know.

The legal argument of his lawyers had nothing to do with 'admitting' anything, they simply argued that any act as described in the witness testimony, regardless of its veracity, would not have led to prosecution in the UK, and in fact never did, as you very well know.

Stating that Assange or his lawyers have 'admitted' any such act is a lie, and you know it.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
14. If the US wanted him, why did they not extradite him when he was in UK custody?
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:48 PM
Feb 2015

Why would Sweden, but not the UK, hand him over to the US?

It just seems like a rapist is attempting to distract people from his crimes.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
15. It's like the guy who murders his parents and throws himself
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:12 PM
Feb 2015

on the mercy of the court because he's an orphan....

Problems entirely of his own making.

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
28. If your biggest complaint about said simile...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:39 PM
Feb 2015

...is that it lacks originality that really says it all doesn't it?

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
26. It's amazing what a bunch of self-styled liberals can come up with....
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:26 PM
Feb 2015

....to defame someone who has exposed the government that seeks to destroy liberal values, such as freedom of speech and inquiry.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
34. I see you're posting all over this thread,
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:33 PM
Feb 2015

but you are not replying to any of the posts asking why the US did not simply extradite him from the UK when they had every opportunity to do so. Why is that?

brooklynite

(94,902 posts)
55. He COULD be innocent, but he's definitely not "not guilty"
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 03:05 PM
Feb 2015

...because guilt is determined by the Judicial process, which he has resisted facing.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
70. The word "guilt" is not the property of lawyers and judges.
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 02:59 PM
Mar 2015

It belongs to our ordinary English language that we learn at our mother's knee. Stop twisting words to make a silly point.

EX500rider

(10,885 posts)
58. It's amazing what a bunch of self-styled liberals can come up with....
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 04:27 PM
Feb 2015

...to defend someone accused of sex crimes.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
45. No, because of the servile acceptance of state sponsored hatred of whistle blowers.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:50 PM
Feb 2015

Of course you have a b.s. feminist cover.

brooklynite

(94,902 posts)
47. So, when a sexual assault charge is lodged, always questions the prosecutor's political motives...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:53 PM
Feb 2015

...just to be safe.

 

Pharaoh

(8,209 posts)
48. I too am dissapointed
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:55 PM
Feb 2015

Last edited Sat Feb 28, 2015, 07:22 PM - Edit history (2)

Assange was a real reporter and these knuckldraggers are buying into all this trumped up shit.

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
49. Honorable Justices of the Court, I wish to detail the cruel and unjust treatment
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 06:51 PM
Feb 2015

of my client, since he left Sweden several years ago to escape prosecution for allegedly having sex with an unconscious woman.

First, your Honors, the law itself is contradictory and makes no sense. A woman who is unconscious cannot refuse sexual consent, because she is unconscious; and for this reason, because consent was not refused, we must assume that consent was implicitly granted. Therefore the very possibility of prosecution is logically incoherent, showing that the law here can only be applied in an arbitrary and unjust manner.

Second, your Honors, the witness is obviously unreliable, and for this reason no prosecution is possible. Obviously no one can recall having sex while unconscious, and therefore the witness's complaint is so bizarre that it could not possibly be accepted in any court. The complainant, in fact, should be prosecuted for perjury! Moreover, my client is such a wondrous and studly lover that no one could possibly remain asleep while having sexual congress with him, which is further evidence that the complainant is untruthful.

Third, your Honors, the witness is a woman of bad character and therefore cannot be believed. Indeed, what sort of woman would have casual sex with a man like my client, a bizarre paranoid fugitive who flees from place to place and seldom showers? Res ipsa loquitur.

Fourth, your Honors, the Swedish criminal justice system has no jurisdiction over my client, as he has been resident in the UK for many years now. And under the laws of the UK, it is not illegal to boink pretty girls in Sweden. And in fact, even under the laws of Sweden, it is not illegal to boink pretty girls in Sweden. I very much hope that you will begin to see what a glorious muck-up this whole sad story is becoming.

Fifth, your Honors, the Swedish empire has misused its international influence to hound and persecute my hapless client for too long, first driving him from your frozen wasteland to the shores of the British Isles, and thence into a tiny far-flung outpost of Ecuador, with the ultimate aim of forcing him to Cuba where he might be mashed into a pulp or his eyes gouged out and his elbows broken and his kneecaps split and his body burned away and his limbs all hacked and mangled. Let us not assassinate this lad further, your Honors. Sweden has done enough. Has Sweden no sense of decency, your Honors? At long last, has Sweden no sense of decency?

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
56. The Swedish authorities, in seeking extradition, indicated an allegation was rape,
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 03:09 PM
Feb 2015

and the UK magistrate, in agreeing that rape was an allegation, noted that the accusations included sex with an unconscious person

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
57. Pretty messed up...it wasn't rape until it was.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 03:31 PM
Feb 2015

I call it a honey trap.
Fortunately, Edward Snowden didn't get trapped like Assange.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
59. Here are the four charges against Assange - you tell us if you think it is rape or not.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 03:37 PM
Mar 2015
After proceedings in the courts of Sweden, including a hearing before the Court of Appeal of Svea on 24 November 20 I0, at which Mr Assange was represented and to which we refer in more detail at paragraph 51, a European Arrest Warrant (EAW) was issued on 26 November 2010 by the Swedish Prosecution Authority (the Prosecutor), the Respondent to this appeal. It was signed by Marianne N y, a prosecutor. The warrant stated that:

"This warrant has been issued by a competent authority. I request the person mentioned below be arrested and surrendered for the purposes of conducting a criminal prosecution or executing a custodial sentence or detention order".

It set out four offences:

"1. Unlawful coercion

On 13-14 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [AA] in Stockholm. Assange, by using violence. forced the injured party to endure his restricting her freedom of movement. The violence consisted in a firm hold of the injured party's arms and a forceful spreading of her legs whilst lying on top of her and with his body weight preventing her from moving or shifting.

2. Sexual molestation

On 13-14 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [AA] in Stockholm, Assange deliberately molested the injured party by acting in a manner designed to violate her sexual integrity. Assange, who was aware that it was the expressed wish of the injured party and a prerequisite of sexual intercourse that a condom be used, consummated unprotected sexual intercourse with her without her knowledge.

3. Sexual molestation

On 18 August 2010 or on any of the days before or after that date, in the home of the injured party [AA] in Stockholm, Assange deliberately molested the injured party by acting in a manner designed to violate her sexual integrity i.e. lying next to her and pressing his naked, erect penis to her body.

4. Rape

On 17 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [SW] in Enkoping, Assange deliberately consummated sexual intercourse with her by improperly exploiting that she, due to sleep. was in a helpless state.

It is an aggravating circumstance that Assange. who was aware that it was the expressed wish of the injured party and a prerequisite of sexual intercourse that a condom be used. still consummated unprotected sexual intercourse with her. The sexual act was designed to violate the injured party's sexual integrity."


http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/2849.html

hack89

(39,171 posts)
62. What a shock - Assange's lawyers want to minimize the crime
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 06:08 PM
Mar 2015

There is a big gap between your links and the charges on his arrest warrant. I think I am going with the Swedish legal system.

On two separate occasion British courts ruled that the charge against Assange would also constitute rape in England. Think about that for a second

hack89

(39,171 posts)
65. I would rather get my facts from his trial transcript in London
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 09:19 PM
Mar 2015

it is amazing how the stories change when people are under oath.

Did you know, for example, that under oath Assange's lawyer admitted that he was notified by Ny that she wanted to interview Assange while he was in Sweden. Within days Assange fled to London.

Response to elias49 (Reply #51)

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
74. The “severe limitations on Assange’s freedoms" are self-imposed...
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 02:19 PM
Mar 2015

He's spent more time fighting this than he would have done had he just agreed to a plea deal...

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