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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am 71. We don't need people of my generation running in 2020.
We've had our time on the stage.
What we need in 2020 is a young charismatic person who can get people out to vote like Obama did in 2008.
We can win if we all get behind that person. No third party, no independent, no Green Party candidates to split the vote or to be a reason to stay home or to be a reason to vote for the opposition.
They will run another crooked campaign and pit us against each other.
Pay attention to the past and see why we lose.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(119,096 posts)Another Obama will be hard to find but someone will turn up -- I hope. But Hillary and Bernie and Joe Biden - although I like all of them - should step aside.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)(I'm in my 30s).
I worked last cycle for a now DA elect who would have been in my high school class had we gone to the same school. (I'm actually older than him but by months). I can't see him going to Washington, but I can see him becoming the state AG.
I interviewed for a candidate for governor that's two years older than me who's very dynamic (competitive primary and general-- results TBD)
Abby Finkenauer, running for Congress in an Iowa swing seat was born in 1989. If she's elected, she'd be the youngest member of congress.
Last but not least-- from one of the most watched races of 2017, Danica Roem, the first openly trans state legislator (to be), is 33.
brush
(56,230 posts)crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)They;re focused on training candidates under 35 to run for local office
nocoincidences
(2,288 posts)and I feel the same way.
My political action began in '67 and went full tilt through the 70s, from Cesar Chavez and the UFW, civil rights, anti-war and right on through the fight for the ERA and Feminism.
It's time for new blood to bring passion and energy and focus. And the rest of us who stand behind them need to keep our focus on the prize, and not get distracted by anyone, no matter what party or position they hold.
Focus. Learn from the recent fuck-ups, and they were major ones.
Hekate
(93,438 posts)...to step into the fray.
magicarpet
(15,747 posts).... put your roller blades and crash helmet on.
rzemanfl
(30,116 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Usually not this quickly.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Only 3 Nutcrackers to go....Then I fly to Florida to hear my favorite violinist. ssshhhhh
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)Yonnie3
(17,929 posts)I agree, depending on what you mean by young. I think below 55 years of age, charismatic, well educated, and experienced in the public sector (business experience is not important). Experience and maturity are as important as charisma.
Maybe a fiftyish constitutional scholar with experience in community organizing?
TheCowsCameHome
(40,197 posts)We should learn from the past.
50 Shades Of Blue
(10,632 posts)DangerousUrNot
(431 posts)Why does age matter? If the candidate has the right policies, garners attention from all generations and has a good track record, they deserve to be considered. Im not just talking about Bernie, I mean anyone who has those characteristics.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)It's almost like another culture living side by side with us that we can't begin to identify with.
They are the future. They have to solve the problems that will challenge their lives.
Much of what is happening in DC does not effect us but it sure as hell is creating the path that young people will have to travel.
They face the future of robotics. They must decide how to deal with employment problems in their lives. They will have to restore the environment that will be destroyed.
They will face choices like universal basic income or some model other than the working world we lived in.
We will be gone they will be here.
DangerousUrNot
(431 posts)Generation Y and Z regarding culture or the issues we face. Bernie understood the future issues with the younger generations. He did many interviews and panels where he identified with younger generations. Thats why most of the Bernie or bust crowd were younger people. Im a millennial, 32 YOA and I dont care that an older politician likes hip hop, movies of our generation or uses the same slang. I want them to understand the future issues that we will be facing. Age doesnt negate data and statistics. We have political scientists that would be able to explain it to the candidate or all they have to do is actually listen to our generation. Im not saying it has to be Bernie but I wouldnt count him out just because of his age. He took time to understand and any good politician, young or old, should be able to comprehend. Now whether they decide to care is a different topic.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)fit my past solutions on tomorrow's problems.
I can listen but I can't experience.
DangerousUrNot
(431 posts)We want someone who cares about our student loan debt, social security for us, higher wages and climate change. All big issues for us younger generations. It shouldnt be too hard to work on those issues. The thing is the candidate needs to care, we dont care how old they are.
SCantiGOP
(14,083 posts)You could have a close election and have an incident - fainting, mild stroke, etc - by a candidate in his/her 70s swing the election. The stress and ridiculous schedule a presidential campaign requires could easily be the trigger.
Also, as a person hits normal retirement age, as I and my long-time friends are doing now, your ability to synthesize new information and alter positions you hold becomes harder to do.
I know people in their 70s that are sharper than I was 20 years ago, but I know a whole lot more people in my age bracket who have definitely lost a step mentally.
DangerousUrNot
(431 posts)If we know they are not in good health or have mental issues then he/she shouldnt run. Also that is what the Vice President is for. They know what the constituents wanted from the president, so if they pass away, the vice president should continue with policies.
If the candidate is in good health and fights for the right policies, I think its a bad idea to dismiss them because of age.
I mean, we shouldnt let a younger candidate run if they had mental issues right, so of course that applies to an older candidate.
I respectfully stilll disagree with the OP.
brush
(56,230 posts)We can't be sure about candidates approaching 80.
That's just life, how it is.
When generational change happens it happens. You can't stop it.
When Bill Clinton won he was the first Baby Boomer president. There hasn't been a non-Baby Boomer president since then.
The time for change is here again. Late 40s to mid-60 year-olds appeal to younger and older people.
That's who we need now and there are several on our bench Harris, Kennedy, Brown, Newsom, Becerra and others who I can't think of their name right now.
I can't remember the name of the woman senator who acquited herself very well on that TV debate with Sanders and the repugs a few weeks ago.
DangerousUrNot
(431 posts)Youll skip over them because they MIGHT not be around for the full term? Even if they dont make it, the time in office wouldnt be worth it? And like I said, the Vice President, more than likely wouldnt make drastic changes to the policies they were working on. Its hard to find great candidates that are loved across the generational spectrum. I wouldnt throw them away because they MIGHT not make the full term.
brush
(56,230 posts)It's just how it is.
A good example: try getting a job when approaching 80. It ain't gonna happen.
Running for president is the hardest, longest job interview there is.
DangerousUrNot
(431 posts)And Trump is the president and hes in his 70s. Sorry not buying it. If they have the qualities people are looking for and healthy, people will vote.
brush
(56,230 posts)DangerousUrNot
(431 posts)I worry about their well being and attentiveness. The fact is a lot of people voted for older candidates this past election when there were a lot younger candidates to choose from. If theyre healthy, and what the people want, they will and should vote for them.
JustAnotherGen
(32,982 posts)Generation X. I have friends my age balancing the gap of their parents income to health expenses and trying to launch their 20 Something adult children.
We are cynical assholes -I get that. But there are also bright lights of forward. Think Booker.
He could stand in the middle of 202 during rush hour to help a baby deer across the street and this state would still vote for him. (We have terrible traffic on 202 during rush hour).
Give a boy scout a chance.
airplaneman
(1,264 posts)A good leader is hard to find. If you find a good one you don't discount them because of their age. Might as well discount everyone before you start if you are not going to latch onto a good one. Let me address what I see in your issues mentioned.
Higher wages - A livable wage now - a guaranteed income for all. Progressive taxation that will eliminate income inequality or at least move the problem in the opposite direction.
Student loan debt - It should be with no interest like they do in Australia. We should have quantitative easing for people and not banks where we buy up the bad debt of people in unfortunate situations - This includes student loans- bad universities, deaths, depressed areas where there are no jobs.
Social security - we should double the amount and or have a minimum guaranteed income.
Climate change - declare an emergency now and try to cool the arctic and stop / remove carbon dioxide and methane. 100% phase out of carbon based energy
Any candidate seriously promoting any or many of these would be a good leader.
-Airplane
DangerousUrNot
(431 posts)On the student loan debt, if you have any debt now, make it low interest or wipe it all away. There should no future student debt because college should be free or at the very least, inexpensive.
Im sick old people saying be pragmatic, Youre too progressive, Fuck that, we are one of the only countries that burdens their citizens with such incredible student loan debt. Its amazing! And yes we can make it free or really inexpensive by allocating discretionary funds from the military or raising taxes on the 1%.
LiberalFighter
(53,069 posts)Any candidate needs to earn the right and just because they are older should not be a disqualifying factor.
It is not the Presidency that we need to worry about. Congress, state legislatures, local government are all important.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)Perhaps if the candidates mentioned issues that pertain to them (student loans) then they'd vote in larger numbers.
Talking about Medicare isn't going to bring a 25 year old to the polls.
CBHagman
(17,094 posts)...and it was one of the issues Hillary Clinton campaigned on.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=29
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/
Perhaps if the candidates mentioned issues that pertain to them (student loans) then they'd vote in larger numbers.
Talking about Medicare isn't going to bring a 25 year old to the polls.
Well, candidates do talk about issues that pertain to young people, and moreover we don't consign people to ice floes just because they're the so-called wrong age.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)One thing young people have is a master bullshit detector.
When they see a candidate doesn't care like people like them or prioritize issues that matter to them (it is one thing to have it in the platform buried on page 103, it is another thing to talk about it), they won't vote.
Part of running a good voter contact operation is knowing your audience. Constituency based outreach (ie women to women) works for this. Only one campaign I've been on did this with young people (under 30) and that was because I was in charge of it.
If all of the political ads on TV are about senior issues, it is very easy to draw the conclusion that the most important voters have gray hair.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,480 posts)DangerousUrNot
(431 posts)bdamomma
(65,048 posts)mental health to should factor in there.
lexington filly
(239 posts)effectively lead the free world. It's science like eyes thin, ears thicken, skin thins, noses thicken. Our senses are literally on the down-hill slide. So is our energy level. Brains aren't?
Ballplayers age out, CEO's, teachers, FBI agents. So why in hell do politicians and Supreme Court judges think they're ageless? Because they are not.
Wouldn't it be a bit of a deterrent for a president to know she's/he's going to live well beyond a term and held accountable for decisions? Though the best thing that's happened to the last Bush is Trump being elected and he now glows by comparison.
DangerousUrNot
(431 posts)I never said people dont age. Trump is in his 70s barely sleeps, eats junk food all the time but he is moving around well. He already had mental issues but his voters didnt notice.
If the candidate is in good shape, were is the issue? You guys act like as soon as he steps foot in the White House hes going to kick the bucket.
There are many accommodations that could be made to lessen travel. They have the best doctors around them and a personal chef that can make healthy food. They would be the president, yes a lot of stress but that means having the world at their fingers to relieve the stress.
Chemisse
(30,946 posts)1. Running for president takes an enormous force of will and huge amounts of energy. Our party should not be represented by someone who is hobbling along, just trying to stay alive for another decade.
2. Older politicians all have some kind of baggage, votes or comments or actions from the past that will force us all into the same tired old arguments.
3. We must have new and fresh ideas to pull voters away from their entrenched positions, getting them thinking and considering in new ways, and out to vote for Dems. Let the Republicans be the only party that can't think past the Reagan days.
DangerousUrNot
(431 posts)The president is not a professional athlete lol. Hes not going to be shooting jump shots or running the ball up the middle of the field. Yes, it would be stressful but you can limit the travel, eat well. All kinds of remedies at the presidents finger tips.
Im saying if the candidate has most of the qualities youre looking for, healthy and attentive, why dismiss them because of what MIGHt happen?
Of course if the person is showing signs of mental issues or has some kind of disease, yes pass on them. Im talking about a healthy older person.
Everyone has skeletons in their closet. And by the time they start the election, all the journalists would have them vetted by then. During the primaries is when most of the dirt comes out. Everything we knew about Trump came out during the running of the election, not after he was elected. Before you run, thats your teams job to know any dirt the opponent can pull up on you. If there is something extreme, they make the decision not to run.
Mollyann
(109 posts)I am also 71 and totally agree with you.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I'm all for someone in their 70s if they are the right candidate.
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)And dementia. Ever heard of young blood?
If one has been on this planet for 70 years one has a perspective that might elude someone who has only been on the planet for half as long.
I would agree that someone with dementia should not be a candidate. Most people in their 70s do not suffer from that condition.
colsohlibgal
(5,276 posts)I am several years from my 70s but it is time to turn the page. Like Joe Biden a lot but it is time for him to be an elder statesmen for the Dems. Remember Reagan in his last two years when his Alzheimers was almost certainly in its early stages?
I am looking at people like Kamala Harris, Joe Kennedy, and if that Ruiz lady who is mayor of a San Juan is eligible her too.
But we also have to worry about voting procedures stealing more elections or it may not matter.
Freedomofspeech
(4,290 posts)We need young blood!!!
Jarqui
(10,388 posts)I felt Ronald Reagan was not up to the job due to him showing his age and because of it, I feel he was a bit of a puppet - having to delegate more because he was not up to it. He seemed mentally sluggish a number of times.
Trump is 70+ and has signs of dementia and other mental health issues that could be exacerbated by his age, weight and fast food diet.
I'm still fond of Bernie. I eventually campaigned for Hillary. Both will very arguably be too old for a very tough, stressful and physically demanding job. Bernie has remarkable energy but he's 76 now. I think the 2016 campaign took it's physical toll on Hillary who is 70 now. I like Joe Biden too but feel the same way. I could easily live with one of them as VP.
I think Jimmy Carter has proven he could handle the job well into his 70s so it is not purely an age thing. It's whether they have the good energetic health to do the job.
delisen
(6,316 posts)Human seemed a bit tired though - working long hours, baby to care for.
enough
(13,409 posts)Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)delisen
(6,316 posts)It is, to me , an amazing achievement.
We have moved out beyond our planet
We have made some amazing advances in public health and medicine
I think there is a long list of positives. (Yes I know the list negatives is long)
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)IphengeniaBlumgarten
(328 posts)In addition to the reasons already mentioned, a younger candidate will not have been subjected to 30 years of spurious attacks, like Hillary had been. People here know enough to discount them, but the public at large just absorbs the negative publicity. In fact, this may be why we are suddenly hearing so many stories about Al Franken -- the R's are already trying to tear him down as a possible candidate.
fierywoman
(7,972 posts)Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)matt819
(10,749 posts)Couldnt agree more.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)And the chord progression in SLEIGH RIDE !!
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)I know only 12 bar blues, Cherokee, and Rhythm... ;->
What *is* the progression for Sleigh Ride....?! Does Leroy have any other iconic progressions?
Scruffy1
(3,399 posts)But Icheated and looked it up. C, Am,dm7,G in C. other than that I forgot the chord progressions I knew this morning. Getting so I need a fake book to play anythin. That's why we need somer younger people. I'm 69.
(65 here.)
pangaia
(24,324 posts)C - C - G7 - G7 - G7 Dm Em F C G C
Then the bridge
Sleigh ride and the Nutcracker are dancing like sugar plums in my head all the time... christmas performances time...
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)I will listen for the progression.
Willie Pep
(841 posts)I see this come up a lot, the assumption that the "olds" just need to step aside and things will get better. But I don't really see any evidence that younger, more charismatic leaders will make a difference. Obama had those qualities and the Democratic Party was decimated at the federal and state level while he was in office.
The problem is more prosaic I think. We simply allowed the party infrastructure to decay especially at the state level. The Republican strategy after 2008 was to pour money and manpower into state elections and win at the state level in order to control voting rights and redistricting. The Democrats were caught with their pants down and failed to adequately fight back and that is how we got to where we are today.
In my area the Democrats tried the "young, charismatic" strategy by enlisted a professional Millennial woman for a state legislative seat and she was a complete flop. She was defeated because the local Republican had built up a strong local machine and people knew him and he had a reputation as a "good guy" despite his ultra right-wing voting record. The Republicans today are doing what the Democrats used to do. Focusing on local races, glad-handing, going to every Boy Scout or Girl Scout pancake breakfast. That stuff makes a big difference to people especially because most people aren't policy wonks and don't pay that much attention to politics.
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)we just elected our youngest mayor, Randall Woodfin. He's 36. Everyone is very excited. Not only is he a bit more socially liberal than the majority of Birmingham Democrats, he doesn't possess the same "old crony" business ties that have hampered our last few mayors.
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)Skid Rogue
(711 posts)but I'm hopeful. XD
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)I'm absolutely serious. I plan to visit there and take a civil rights tour at Christmas.
Lunabell
(6,510 posts)Our own Justine or Justin Trudeau.
delisen
(6,316 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,875 posts)StevieM
(10,525 posts)Bernie will be 79 in 2020. Biden will be 78. Warren will be 71. I expect all three to run.
My favorite candidates are Tom Steyer, who will be 63, and Jay Inslee, who will be 69.
I don't think age should be an issue.
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,197 posts)No Bernie, no HRC, no Warren, the list goes on.
Time for younger rising stars.
StevieM
(10,525 posts)In the end, if an older candidate wins it probably means that they did something right to make that victory possible.
I am not looking to vote for either of the two major older candidates, Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden, but I don't want anyone disqualified.
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)I'm just saying I personally don't want Biden. Or any other old guard.
Pris
(6 posts)First, one person is never a standard for every 71 year old in the country. Second, narrowing our field of candidates based on ageism makes no sense.
If we pay attention to the past we see Wikileaks, #fakenews, collusion.
The first female feminist children's rights candidate for POTUS in the USA was robbed. Justice must be demanded.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,812 posts)57 yrs here. Time to look to someone in their 40s/50s
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Ill judge them on their positions, how I feel they will be able to push through those positions, ability to win, and health. I wouldnt outright dismiss someone in their early seventies.
Like 73 or so. Just kidding on that one.
LeftInTX
(28,871 posts)Arthritis, chronic dry mouth, fibromyalgia, wrinkles, bad teeth (although Biden's are capped and Hillary's appear to be partially capped, so I guess with $$ can be fixed), hair that needs constant dying, saggy boobs, belly flab and flabby arms....(I'm not overweight, just saggy from age) chronic, constant need for exercise to fight aging.
I would spend more time looking presidential than doing the business of being the president.
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)Bernie's way more fit than I was in my 30s, I bet.
mshasta
(2,108 posts)Candidates need to be Between 40
leanforward
(1,079 posts)Personally, I see a lot of angry old guys running for office or in office. I'm in my 70's.
Who ever it may be as our next leader, needs to have the ability to think critically. How that is determined comes from your gut and commentary. I started following President Obama after I watched his speech at Democratic Convention in 2004. He made a reference to John Maynard Keynes.
When I compare 44 to 45, I come up with "does not compute."
Age does not help a person to think critically.
We need someone younger. So far, Jason Kander of Misssouri, Kamala Harris of California, or the Senator Kirsten G of New York come to mind. To me Senators Bernie and Elizabeth are great resources. They are both in their 60 plus. How about Michelle O?
We need a critical thinker. If I can see them in a public forum and make sense to me. It has got to make sense in the realm of Public Financial Management.
We have to give the younger and future leaders a chance and our advice.
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)It's old-guard party elite.
None of *them*, I agree.
Bernie is an exception to me, although I'd really prefer a younger-gen person with similar ideas and clout. I'm just not sure that currently exists. I sure thank Bernie for generating that clout.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(26,109 posts)Quite frankly, even if Trump weren't such an idiot, I wasn't happy by how old both of the candidates were. People here keep on screeching about how wonderful and qualified and so on that Hillary was, but quite frankly she looks older than her age. Yes, she'd be a vastly better President than Trump, but we should have gone with someone a decade or two younger in the first place.
It is past time for the older generation to gracefully move aside and let the younger ones take power.
Pris
(6 posts)Might want to rethink that if you want to win elections:
"Today, 40 million people in the United States are ages 65 and older, but this number is projected to more than double to 89 million by 2050. ... By 2050, the oldest old will number 19 million, over one-fifth of the total population ages 65 and older."
http://www.prb.org/Publications/Reports/2011/americas-aging-population.aspx
PoindexterOglethorpe
(26,109 posts)doesn't mean we should persist in electing other old people.
Here's another crucial factor: The Republicans have been doing a very good job of moving younger people into elected positions, and in Congress, in positions of leadership. The Democrats in Congress adhere to a strict seniority rule, so the very oldest Democratic Senators and Representatives are the ranking members on committees. I don't think that's a good idea.
I won't name names, but some of our very oldest members of Congress need to be replaced. One huge problem with them is that they are clinging to power, and absolutely nothing is being done to cultivate new, younger members.
And it's only going to get worse if everyone fiercely clings to the status quo.
Pachamama
(16,935 posts)It was a fascinating presentation that described various markers and events in history and a description of the various Generations and the events that shaped and marked their generation and their "experiences" and characteristics.
That means generations like the current Generation Z (born through 2010) and X, Y, and Baby Boomers etc.
He described the Silent Generation but said specifically at the time that there has never been, and never will be, anyone from that generation (which he defined as born between 1925-1942 who has ever been elected President nor ever will be. I found that to a fascinating statement back in 2013 and I then saw this same person lecture in 2015 and asked them again if they thought that Bernie Sanders could ever be elected. He answered based on his studies and statistical analysis from this era and age group, Never.
I was so struck by his certainty and the lecture and I remember it and always will. So when I hear that Bernie wants to run again in 2020, I cringe. Bernie shouldn't run for President. He should (if he is alive) or anyone else from that era, helping elect and speak for a younger newer generation that can take the torch and rebuild this country.
And statistically speaking and assuming that this data that he went by is true, if I were a betting person I wouldn't bet on anyone born in those years.
INdemo
(7,000 posts)Congress.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,303 posts)delisen
(6,316 posts)resist scapegoating. There seems always to be more of it in authoritarian times. Are we just making it ok to be a transgender or female candidate-only to try to limit some other group? Ys we can becomes No you can't.
Candidates self-select- then we vote -I do not believe in either voter suppression or candidate-suppression. either stance is undemocratic.
The worst leader of the 20th century were relatively young and charismatic-they ended up running what were essentially massive death cults.
I don't believe in limiting others based upon my own limitations or health issues.
As for Reagan, not only did he win, he won lots of union workers and the youth vote.
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)I will welcome you from the past.
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)We need people new to the system, with new ideas. But we also need clout. I am happy to say that it appears that Bernie now has clout.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)homegirl
(1,490 posts)Age limit-no one over 65 should run for public office
Term limits-2 for Senate
House=term extended to 4 years with a three term limit
President- one six year term
No pension benefits and no health insurance after leaving office
No passing legislation which they are excluded from.
And we need a system that does not permit them to raise their wages without voter consent. Or maybe we need a baseline pay rate that is adjusted to inflation every five years.
And absolutely Public Financing of Campaigns!
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)That *so* depends.
Atman
(31,464 posts)We're running people who were running before I could even vote! It's insane. We tend to think of "conservatives" as being old codgers, but it's the Democrats.
rpannier
(24,500 posts)I want younger people to run because I want us to build a stronger bench for the future
efhmc
(14,849 posts)This owl (old white lady) agrees. We need new blood.
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)(I'm looking to move.)
efhmc
(14,849 posts)LA
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)walkingman
(8,089 posts)marble falls
(60,044 posts)50: women, only males who are of color - only people who don't look like me.
My generation and my parent's have only managed to make my children and my grand children responsible financially for our wars and national debts that doesn't begin to answer our social needs.
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)marble falls
(60,044 posts)is going to have a strong influence in how I vote. We need a government that reflects all of us. Not fat old white men like me.
If Bernie or Elizabeth or Hillary Clinton get the nod in 2020 I will support them, but I do want younger candidates.
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)Caliman73
(11,767 posts)We should not discount people because of their age or the generation in which they came up. If the person is healthy, has the energy, and has the message and values that can bring people out to support the party, then I think that the person should be our nominee.
Xipe Totec
(43,995 posts)Butterflylady
(3,845 posts)Glad I have so much company here. Totally agree
TheCowsCameHome
(40,197 posts)With the emphasis on squeaky clean.
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)I don't want immoral assholes, but I don't want people tiptoeing around either.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,197 posts)That works for me.
No more lesser of two evils for this kid.
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)But I am all about lesser of evils, because it's our system. Would love to change it.
bronxiteforever
(9,288 posts)To do these jobs well requires great stamina as well as the ability to quickly process information.
Teddy Roosevelt , JFK and Obama had the strength of being younger and the enthusiasm and love of the Office. Compare that with Trump who cant find his way out of the Oval Office and literally watches Fox News all day yelling at his TV.
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)Based on my current job I'm sure I could physically and mentally do it.
Background experience-wise? Sadly, no.
Emotionally? Oh, god no. I'm just grateful there are people who can.
But write me off solely because of my age? I might run just to spite you.
bronxiteforever
(9,288 posts)Its their business. Its why insurance becomes expensive with age. I am sick and tired of a society that runs constantly from the truths about our mortality and aging.
It is a fact that with age comes chronic disease, cancers, dementia and mobility issues. Nature doesnt care about attitude-it just is. Can you beat the odds-sure. But go into hospitals, nursing homes and orthopedic rehabs and take an age census.
Then add to this job the enormous amount of travel a President does. Does travel and jet lag get easier with old age-the answer is obvious. We have a 70 something dotard who needs a vacation every 5 minutes. How was Reagan? he was probably suffering from Alzheimers at the end of his term. That is scary stuff.
There is a reason why we use the phrase youthfull enthusiasm. Yeah with age comes wisdom. Its why we used to pick older folks to be judges-because they lived a life and could deliberate at slow thoughtful pace with some cases taking months and years to complete. The job of President in the digital age requires sound but sometimes rapid decision making capabilities. I read a book on how President Obama made the decision to strike Bin Laden. I cant imagine the orange crap fest doing that.
For most, old age requires a toll be paid and make no mistake- the grim reaper uses his scythe on the age group where he can gather the most souls.
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)AllaN01Bear
(22,210 posts)reported that all kinds of ppl have come out to run and challenge the rs in their own game here . a former county supervisor is running again , to upset the old boy mentality here .
Susan Calvin
(1,939 posts)I am so grateful that I may run. Already blockwalking.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)of whoever runs.
Im 64.
Ill support and advocate for whoever fiercely stands for and courageously fights for liberal ideals with intelligence, focus and a serious fire in their soul.
llmart
(16,106 posts)and I agree. I always tell people, "We've had our day in the sun so to speak and it's time to step aside, enjoy the simple things in life until such time as we shuffle off this earth."
I am extremely healthy and fit and have no issues with learning new technology or my memory, but I still think it's time to let the younger people run things because it's not us that are going to have to live with the results. I do disagree with some of the baby boomer statements on here that we screwed things up. I like to think we made many, many worthwhile changes through our activism and shouldn't discount what we accomplished in our younger days.
Hekate
(93,438 posts)...the very strong slate of younger Dems in the House and Senate, at least half a dozen from California alone, every time some lost soul here wants Bernie or Joe to run for POTUS next year. They are worthy men, but -- I'm with you. They need to look to our collective future with clear eyes and prepare to throw their considerable strength behind a younger man or woman.
No Spring chicken myself,
Hekate
Thirties Child
(543 posts)Much as I love Bernie, going on 80 is too old.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)We need candidates who are nationally competitive and not just someone youthful from California who will deliver an identical electoral map to that of Hillary Clinton.
SergeStorms
(19,244 posts)you're 100% correct. I'm at an age where I don't want to keep up with every nuance this world has to offer, and anyone my age or older shouldn't either. The world is going so fast I can't keep up with it. I know I'm not representative of everyone my age, but the future belongs to the young, not someone who was in San Francisco during the "summer of love". The Woodstock generation should be enjoying their grandchildren, or great-grandchildren. That doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the world or the politics that run it, but those issues should be handled by someone young enough to have new ideas of how to navigate the future. Old ideas are not going to cut it.
Democrats must realize this if we're going to involve the millennials in the process, and get them excited about their future and how they want to shape the world. I think it's pretty much a certainty that Republicans are going to stick with their 60 and over candidates, at least for the time being. We have to beat them to the punch (for once) and have younger, more vibrant candidates on the Democratic slate.
Just my two cents.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,588 posts)in a younger President's cabinet. That's been one of the really horrifying things about Trump. Not only is he stupid and nuts, all his cabinet positions are filled with incompetent ass kissers.
I'm 60 BTW.
Mz Pip
(27,667 posts)We need new blood and fresh ideas. Thats what i liked about Obama.
Laffy Kat
(16,484 posts)Wisdom must be learned the hard way, you can't teach it.
lillypaddle
(9,605 posts)time for some new blood.
doc03
(36,205 posts)williesgirl
(4,033 posts)Vinca
(50,708 posts)needs a chance to prove itself. We can advise, help and cheerlead from the background. Plus we get to take a nap in the afternoon if we feel like it.
DFW
(55,851 posts)Two prominent Democrats (Howard Dean and Hillary Clinton) agree with you, and they are actively doing something about it. They are supporting and advising a number (and not just two or three) of initiatives to recruit younger Democrats to run for office.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)I think we should see who can pull the party together based on ideas, and not base our preferences based on demographics.
NNadir
(34,034 posts)...to the highest degree.
I must say that I am very impressed by my sons' generation however, the oft maligned millennials. I wish I had worked as hard as my sons and their friends do to make the world a better place.
Unfortunately, our generation has left them a huge mess, in particular, an environmental mess which is actually more exigent than the political mess we are in.
They, not us, are my last best hope.
FreeStateDemocrat
(2,654 posts)We need to appeal to a younger, more diverse constituency if our party is to win going forward.
skip fox
(19,480 posts)Loved to see the subject line.
And I agree with what you say.
MountCleaners
(1,148 posts)No disrespect to the boomers here - I am happy to see you represent your generation, and am grateful for all you have done for us. But it feels as if my youth has come and gone without us getting to see our own lead. It feels like we have always been in the boomers' shadow. Someone younger will convey to the electorate that the party hasn't run out of ideas. Not that older people can't have new ideas, but we do need to sell ourselves.