"100 round drum magazine" at the scene...

[Ruby the Liberal]

Per the Aurora Police Department. Purchased over the internet. Would not answer the question about how many rounds were fired from it, because of the ongoing investigation. Did say that all weaponry and ammunition recovered were legal for him to own.

I guess that little upgrade is just for deer hunting.

Lets all hunker down and fight fight fight to make sure that stays legal.

USA! USA! USA!

[rocktivity]

1. Wow, I thought these went out with the Chicago mob era

rocktivity

[Ruby the Liberal]

4. The man doing the press conference right now

just said that all weaponry/ammunition that he was caught with was legal for him to own.

[DCBob]

7. WTF??

how on earth is this legal???

[Spitfire of ATJ]

10. "how on earth is this legal???"

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[robinlynne]

26. exactly, with lots of money and lots of lobbying.

[baldguy]

43. And don't forgot - lots of stupidity.

[robinlynne]

48. I wish it were stupidty. i'm afraid it' actually evil, or something like that.

[ellisonz]

94. I'm positive it's evil.

There's no other explanation that make senses, oh wait, it's probably just a bunch of selfish ignorant morons #despair

[Johnny Rico]

12. Why wouldn't it be legal?

There's no Federal ban on magazine capacity.

[DCBob]

16. So.. to regulate magazine capacity that would violate gun lovers second amendment rights.

Is that correct?

[robinlynne]

27. that's what they say.

[Marrah_G]

28. Right now it is left to the states

Those would be very illegal in MA.

[Johnny Rico]

36. Not in the vast majority of states, though.

[soccer1]

41. Hoping to change that

state by state....

[Johnny Rico]

74. Don't get your hopes up too high.

I'm afraid you'll be in for a disappointment...which, in this case, is a good thing.

[DBoon]

82. an occasional massacre is just the price we need to pay for our 2nd amendment liberties

The 12 dead were heroic martyrs defending the right to bear arms.

I'm sure their families are proud of them

[ellisonz]

95. You're supporting the "right" to own a hundred round magazine?

[Johnny Rico]

97. Absolutely. Perfectly legal in 45 out of 50 states.

And if (I repeat, if) you think there's the slightest chance of making them illegal at the national level (in an election year no less!), I'm afraid you're a bit, well...

[DCBob]

103. The fact that it is legal or that it will be difficult to make it illegal...

has nothing to do with whether it is right.

[Johnny Rico]

106. I agree. Whether or not it *should* be legal is simply a matter of opinion.

I think it should. Luckily for me, the law is on my side.

[DCBob]

108. Which is an opinion that...

I find hard to believe any sincere logically thinking person would espouse.

[Johnny Rico]

116. The legislatures of 45 out of 50 states disagree with you.

[DCBob]

119. Do you base all your opinions on how the majority of legislatures vote?

[Johnny Rico]

124. Not all. It simply struck me as odd that your characterization of people as not being

"sincere logically thinking people" would apply to the vast majority of state legislatures.

Then again, we are speaking of politicians, so you may well have a good point!

[mzteris]

126. Then again, we are speaking of politicians,

so you may well have a good point!

So are you admitting that as you align yourself with these politicians who are (for the most part) NOT "sincere logically thinking people" ??

Why, exactly, is it YOU support being able to own weaponry of this type? To what purpose? To what end? For what reason?

[soccer1]

123. You could be correct....

but, I strongly believe the time will come, in the not too far future, when those gun owners, who are in favor of reasonable restrictions and controls, will start to speak up and cast their votes accordingly. There is no doubt in my mind that most gun owners would have no problem with reasonable controls.

[Fawke Em]

72. It's only illegal in five states.

So... no. Your point is incorrect.

[Johnny Rico]

75. My point was that a 100 round drum is *not* illegal in the vast majority of states.

You just made my point for me by pointing out that they're legal in 90% of states.

[Fawke Em]

93. I'm sorry. I must have misread your post.

My own 13-year-old son made his way out of his gameroom/bedroom to watch the news about this because he heard me mention over dinner that Holmes had a "drum."

He could NOT believe that buying one was legal. In his games, it's treated as something you have to earn.

[Johnny Rico]

98. No big deal.

He could NOT believe that buying one was legal. In his games, it's treated as something you have to earn.

I have to admit, I've never thought of a drum magazine as a power-up...

[DonCoquixote]

132. so that means

It's harder to get a drum magazine in a video game than it is in REAL LIFE!

[Marrah_G]

104. I know, and I do find that troubling

The most surprising thing that I found out during my gun safety class was that Vermont has almost no gun regulations.

[Johnny Rico]

107. The Brady Campaign gives Vermont only 6 out of 100 points on their scale.

Whereas Colorado gets 15 out of 100. Looking out from Colorado myself, I can't help but be a little bit jealous of you, living in a state with relatively more freedom than mine.

[Johnny Rico]

34. Yup.

[Mopar151]

90. Hunters live with it, in most juristictions.n/t

[morningfog]

37. And that is the problem. Fuck gun fuckers.

[Johnny Rico]

39. Don't be so reserved, tell us how you really feel!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

40. Believe it or not...

The number of gun dealers has plunged over the past twenty years. As recently as 1994, there were (according to some calculations) more gun dealers than gas stations in the United States. I personally think that's a little far-fetched, but there were nearly a quarter million dealers. Now there something like 40,000 - but that may be an old number. In any case, it's a huge decline.

[soccer1]

44. Gun ownership is at an all time high in the U.S.

so, those 40,000 dealers must be doing a brisk business.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

101. Maybe....

The statistics are notoriously squishy. Depending on whose you like, we're either at an all-time high, or experiencing a slight uptick since that terrible black man became President.

Somewhere between 40-50% of households have a firearm.

And the "terrible black man" bit was sarcasm. On threads like these, you never can tell.

[Nay]

105. The internet is doing a brisk business....

[calimary]

70. I still think it should be harder to get a gun than it is to get an abortion.

[Hoyt]

85. You'd think.

[bluedigger]

91. Walmart, Sports Authority, BassPro Shops, etc, etc, etc...

The gun industry isn't immune to retailing trends.

[Moltisanti]

102. try not to use so much brain power in your response..... n/t

[morningfog]

109. I have little sympathy for those who fuck guns.

[Hoyt]

84. Lots of things are legal, but immoral and bad for society.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

8. I'm reminded of Mitt going into that store playing gangster....

...and spraying the room with a toy gun.

[DURHAM D]

2. I hope they hunker down in their own bunker. nt

[madinmaryland]

3. Hey! They are posting pictures of you in the Lounge...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018158588

[Ruby the Liberal]

5. ROFL!!

Thats about how I feel tonight, too.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. When abc first went there my bs detector went off

But this is per pd

3.2,1....

[Ruby the Liberal]

9. Just checked MSNBC.com as I didn't catch the name.

The presser was Police Chief Dan Oates of the Aurora PD.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. This is, well should be, shocking

But I suspect it won't.

[malaise]

13. How does anyone order that on the internet? n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Sadly easily

Alas the AWB would had made that mag Ilegal. The fairly high rate of fire also means it can be emptied fairly fast.

[Johnny Rico]

21. Not quite right.

The AWB prohibited new manufacture of magazines with a capacity of over 10 rounds. It did not prohibit sales of such magazines which had already been manufactured. 100 round Beta mags were readily available during the entirety of the AWB (1994-2004). They were just more expensive due to the limited supply, around $600 at the time.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Well they still have no place in civilian hands

Not that they will be banned.

Not anytime soon. We live in a country gripped by insanity.

We'll have more mass shootings, that's it.

[Johnny Rico]

38. You're correct that they won't be banned for the foreseeable future.

Good.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. Just curios

What critter are you hunting with this, and is it still edible with the extra "iron?"

[Atypical Liberal]

49. You do realize that most gun owners don't hunt, right?

Furthermore, most states strictly regulate ammunition capacity while hunting.

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. So what do you use that for?

Sorry, if not hunting, usual excuse (and yes, I knew that), what the hell do you need that for? Target shooting also makes zero sense...

Sorry.

This has to be some mass psychosis.

[Atypical Liberal]

65. The AR is a military platform.

It can be, and is, used for hunting and target shooting, but the AR is a military platform. It's primary use is killing people. This is what the Second Amendment is about - killing people who threaten the security of free states. It's not about hunting nor especially about self-defense.

Having a population of citizens who can own such things carries the inherent risk that some of them will do bad things with them, and they do.

Fortunately the violent crime rate continues to decline every year. Only about 300 people are killed every year with rifles of all kinds, let alone assault rifles. Twice as many people are killed with hands and feet.

[DBoon]

83. They need it in case ghetto residents riot and try to burn down their house

They need it in case environmentalists try to stop them from killing an endangered species

They need it in case some jack-booted IRS thug tries to collect taxes from them

They need it to defend their precious liberty

[Johnny Rico]

62. I almost never hunt.

My guns are for self defense, collecting pleasure, and investment purposes.

[nadinbrzezinski]

68. So translation

You don't need it.

I am betting, outside the props dept, given the issues these things have, they are mostly unnecessary.

That's the point.

[Johnny Rico]

73. People don't "need" Corvettes, either...but it's none of my (or your) business if they choose to own

them.

Luckily, you don't get to decide what I need...do you?

[Scootaloo]

77. And if we decide to ban import of automobiles with under 25 MPG highway?

It's nice to be so comfortable that "want" becomes "need" I suppose.

I need a pony.

[beevul]

99. Since corvettes are domestically produced...N/T

[Johnny Rico]

100. Why on Earth would we?

If someone wants to drive a Ferrari that gets 12 mpg, surely that's their business and not yours or mine.

I need a pony.

Shrug. So buy one.

[nadinbrzezinski]

78. Well, last time I checked the vette was not designed to kill

It can, but that's not it's primary design purpose. This, well, that is it's primary design purpose.

Sooner or later this country will get out of it's collective insanity, alas I no longer expect to see it.

For the momemt you win, and in your victory I expect a lot more mass shootings.

I hope that satisfies you.

This country is certifiably insane.

Oh and one more thing, no right is absolute, that includes the second Ammendment. Someday we might even get it...but in the meantime I expect a lot more bloodshed.

[snooper2]

87. The vette wasn't but this motherfucker was

That horn alone will send a chill down your spine twice!

[nadinbrzezinski]

88. Yup

And the spoofs are even better.

[bayareaboy]

59. They really don't work ...

trust me lots of folks have tried to make them work. They are very different from the drum magazines used by Thompson .45 caliber sub machine guns. The difference is that the shells taper on the .223 rd. making delivery to the chamber tough to do to turn and deliver a round at the same time. My guess is that if he started out with the drum Magazine he went to 30 rd stick magazines when it jammed.

He still took out lots of people who just wanted to see a movie!

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. I am betting it jammed

But that's not the point.

[bayareaboy]

79. I agree ...

First off I wouldn't have any sort of M-16 and I would not have a drum magazine and I wonder why folks buy them. And I really don't figure anybody body else with a lick of sense would buy one.

Except for fools and asshole 24 year old's.

[nadinbrzezinski]

80. So what would be your weapon of choice for a mass shooting?

[bayareaboy]

113. So when did you stop beating your wife?

I don't think that mass shootings have any place in a sane society. Dueling on the other hand may have a place. In that case just about any single shot handgun at 10 paces might will work.

[nadinbrzezinski]

114. Given I am the wife

When did I stop beating myself?

Re-read what you posted, it might make sense then.

As to duels, no going back to the 18th century is not acceptable either.

[bayareaboy]

115. I will look for several folks ...

with a sense of bizzare-a-mundo.

To explain your posting?

[Johnny Rico]

17. By going to Gunbroker.com and paying for it.

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=100+beta

[lapfog_1]

66. like this

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct896.aspx

$139 dollars plus shipping and it's yours.

[cherokeeprogressive]

14. For this one, I'll claim citizenship in Missouri...

[ileus]

18. beta mag 234 bucks....kinda spendy

http://www.cheaperthandirt.net/product/MAG-056

[Ruby the Liberal]

20. But we are supposed to believe that he was despondent

because he could't get a job other than fast food.

I guess everyone has their priorities.

[alcibiades_mystery]

19. When I go pheasant hunting, I need a partner to help feed in the ammo

Like this:



Also, I was really excited, because I received an email from my local gun dealer (in Indiana, silly!) that my Katyusha rockets are gonna be ready in time for deer season. It's on, baby!


(Our last hunting trip! Awesome!)

[flamingdem]

22. I think this is how we look to the rest of the world

Sigh

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. You mean, you have not gone full Monty

And used a tac nuke?

[alcibiades_mystery]

67. Still saving up for that

One day. One day.

[longship]

23. Gene Krupa, Elvin Jones, and Ginger Baker are not amused.

Drums had nothing to do with this crime.

Sorry, sometimes you have to deal with things with some levity.

BTW, these are my fave drummers. Mel Lewis makes my list, too.

Thanks for the post.

[Marinedem]

29. Well then...

What is an acceptable magazine capacity to you then?

Serious question.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

35. I'm a deer hunter...

and a creature of habit. Every morning when I leave camp, I put three rounds in the magazine, then chamber the first round. Never in thirty years of deer hunting have I EVER needed more than those three rounds. I carry a couple in my pocket, just in case. Wolves, don't you know. But for hunting purposes, three has always been my limit.

Now I'm not saying that there aren't legitimate circumstances where you would want more. Reloading after three rounds on the range would be particularly silly.

[Marinedem]

42. Yes, for you that is fine.

But you need to realize that a small minority of gun owners are actually hunters.

I'm a target shooter. I like to shoot ten rounds at a time and then track my success by measuring the maximum spread of my rounds on the target. It is critical that all of these are fired in a row without removing my cheek from the stock of my AR15 to reload and reset the firearm.

That is honestly my WEAKEST reason for having more rounds.

I also use a high capacity rifle as a home defense weapon. It is a clone of the rifle I used in the military and I am quite familiar with it. The standard mag size in thirty rounds. Why should I use less than what is standard size magazines in a firearm that I may have to use to defend my life in my home? Why should I not be able to own magazines as large as the ones I used during my military service?

Sometimes I like to set out a target and blow through a thirty round mag as fast as I can. Because I choose too. It's fun to cut loose after an afternoon of disciplined, precision shooting. I hurt nobody by doing ANY of this.

If Anti-gunners put half as much focus into mental health and enforcing gun laws already on the books, we wouldn't be addressing tragedies like the one from today.

Its cool though. They can spend all their efforts on little old me while the world burns around them. I'm the threat, after all.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

46. Your weakest argument is your strongest argument....

The fact that you think you need a thirty round magazine to defend you home sounds, frankly, a little bit loopy. Unless you're living next door to a crack den, I doubt that your neighborhood is so desperately unsafe that you even require a "home defense weapon" much more powerful that a deadbolt lock, motion-sensitive exterior lighting, and a big-ass dog. Around these parts, it's always the suburban white males -- statistically the least likely people to ever be victimized by violent crime, who seem to have a pathological need for more and more weapons, high capacity magazine, and conceal-carry permits.

And not to be rude, but if you need thirty rounds to hit what you're aiming at, I'd like to recommend that you spend a little more time on the range.

[Marinedem]

50. I have no intention of using all 30 rounds.

I feel that that is the maximum I would need in that scenario, however. I'm not going to go buy a custom magazine with a lower capacity to suit someone else's sensibilities.

I have deadbolts and and alarm. The gun is simply another tool in my box in the event that someone enters my house illegally. I don't like dogs.

I live in a fairly decent neighborhood. Criminals come here anyway to commit breaking and enterings.

As far as the 30 rounds to hit what I'm aiming at crack: Where did I say that? I can hit a paper plate at 100 yards while standing without the use of magnified optics. I think I'll do just fine across my living room. In a world where criminals don't go down after one shot, are hopped up on God knows what drugs and sometimes bring friends, I think I'll just keep a standard mag (30) inserted into the rifle. I put more gas in my car than I plan on using in the next trip. Seems prudent. Same with firearms. A little extra preparedness has gone a long way for me in the past.

[rppper]

86. I've always found that.....

....the distinctive sha-shink sound of the pump on my Mossberg 500 12 gauge will generally make the most hardened criminal stop dead in his tracks....5 in the tube .00 buckshot will paint the walls with any intruder/s stupid enough to come in uninvited...I don't know man, using a .223 for home defense? 30 round clip? Excessive I'd say.....I'm ex navy myself, but I earned expert shooter ribbons on the .45 and
M-14.....I own the mossberg, an old enfield .303 and an old navy issue M1911...all with standard issue clips....I don't own a gun that wouldn't blow a hole the size of a roast out of you....but I don't feel I need a bigger clip or 20 more rounds.....I think it's akin to wagging your dick....I have confidence I can put a hole in a body before one is put in mine with a minimal Discharge rate.....

[newblewtoo]

130. I like the cut of your jib sailor,

for home security I strongly agree, go with the pump and buckshot. It is much safer than having a stray round going through the sheet-rock. Sure it may make a bit of a mess but you can clean it up.

I am not so sure of the M1911 but then again if you hit someone it will probably stop them in their tracks even if they are wearing body armor.

A bit off of the track no one has mentioned the fact that movies and video games have increasingly featured more and more gratuitous violence.

I refused to let my 8 year old see the first Batman Movie in '89. In the end the kid next door (who turned out to be quite the little psychopath) mother got it for him so he saw it over there. I was fucking pissed when I found that out but my wife said I shouldn't bawl out the dismal feminine part who allowed it to happen.

[rppper]

135. The .45 and the enfield....

....are locked away....trigger guard lock for the enfield....it's an antique rifle I was given years ago for hunting back when I was growing up in east Texas...I clean it annually and fire some rounds every so often...lol...but I haven't been hunting in a good 20 years....the 1911 is in a case locked up as well....same as the enfield except I go to a range about 4-5 times a year with it....

Lol on the jib comment! Thanks!

We live in a nice place but this is Florida....15 miles from where the Martin shooting took place....10 miles from where weurnos did her killing....I'd rather be safe than sorry, but I've been around guns all
My life....I know safety....I practice it religiously....guns kill and maim along with the Shooters...they are synonymous....

I always like to point out to gun nuts the old lynyrd skynyrd lyrics....

"handguns are made for killing....they ain't made for nothing else...."

Perhaps I sound hypocritical here....I can live with that...you can be responsible with firearms and be liberal....

[Atypical Liberal]

52. So why do police officers carry "high capacity" magazines?

I mean, why don't they all do the Barney Fife thing and tote one bullet around in their pockets?

The answer is simple: A firearm is only useful as long as it holds ammunition. Thus the more ammunition it holds the more useful it is. It is far better to have more ammunition than you need than not enough.

[soccer1]

47. Just a question.....

You said that you should be able to own magazines as large as the ones you used during your military service. As a civilian, do you believe that you are living in a war zone similar to what you might encounter in the military?

[Atypical Liberal]

51. No, but the purpose of the second amendment is to own weapons suitable for warfare.

Remember, the second amendment is not about hunting, nor particularly about self-defense. It is about putting military-grade small arms appropriate for military use in the hands of the people.

A firearm is only useful as long as it holds ammunition. Thus the more ammunition it holds, the more useful it is.

[soccer1]

111. I understand, but....

military grade weapons used over 200 years ago are far different from those used today. So, you are saying that today's military grade weapons should be in the hands of citizens who do not know how to use them. And, that those weapons should be in the hands of people who will use them to murder innocent people.

[Atypical Liberal]

125. This is why the founders said "arms".

They did not say, "muzzle-loading smoothbore muskets".

The intent of the second amendment was to have a citizenry armed with military-grade small arms appropriate for infantry use. The reason for this was to counter federal military power. This is why they perpetuated a decentralized military system rather than one unified under the federal government.

Today, weapons like the AK-47 and the AR15 are appropriate small arms appropriate for infantry use.

Just as our rights to free speech are not limited to 18th-century printing presses, and just as we are secure in our persons and free from unreasonable search and seizures in our automobiles and not just in carriages, the people's right to keep and bear arms does not just apply to 18th-century arms.

[soccer1]

127. Nonetheless.....

the arms that citizens have the right to bear can be regulated and who is allowed to possess those arms can be regulated. I believe the states have quite a bit of latitude in enacting gun control measures. At this time, states are tending towards less control but that can change at any time for any given state.

[Atypical Liberal]

129. And they are.

Nonetheless the arms that citizens have the right to bear can be regulated and who is allowed to possess those arms can be regulated. I believe the states have quite a bit of latitude in enacting gun control measures. At this time, states are tending towards less control but that can change at any time for any given state.


And they are regulated.

But fortunately with the second amendment now being incorporated to the states, the states have much less leeway in those restrictions.

[soccer1]

131. The states do have leeway.....

and that's a good thing, because laws can be be more lenient or more restrictive depending upon the will of the people in each state. Laws change to reflect the will of the citizens within each state. Right now people are more concerned about jobs, paying their bills, finding money to educate their children, etc. When times are better, I believe issues of control will resurface and maybe some sensible regulations will be part of more states' gun culture.

[Atypical Liberal]

136. Not much.

They don't have much leeway, and that's a good thing. The second amendment is now incorporated to the states. This means that the will of the people of those states cannot contravene the right set forth in the US Constitution. The same way that the will of the people in the states cannot create Jim Crow laws.

[soccer1]

137. I'm not sure how much leeway the states have.....

I'm thinking of regulations such as :

background checks and waiting periods

background checks at gun shows

permits for all guns and firearms

written test showing a level of knowledge about guns, the use of guns and gun laws in the state

For concealed and open carry: permits issued after thorough background checks, test to show you know how to handle and use the weapon, test to show you understand state gun laws

Just some thoughts.....I'll have to research the extent to which states can regulate guns and firearms.

[Atypical Liberal]

138. The states have been losing ground on this issue for decades.

See McDonald vs. Chicago and DC vs. Heller.

Both of these cases are against governments who over-reached in restricting the right to keep and bear arms.

If you are going to require permits to own firearms, then I expect to be able to buy them through the mail again. Today they have to be shipped through an FFL to run a background check. If I have a permit, this would be superfluous.

[soccer1]

139. The Heller SC decision basically said that the Fed govt and states can not take away the right to

own hand guns for self protection. Lots of room for the states to impose regulations. In fact, Congress continues to have the right to pass gun control regulations. Certainly, there will be many cases before the federal courts challenging laws that the states' impose. The only thing the SC said was that citizens have the right to own guns.....not the type of guns, not how much ammo can be purchased, etc. Actually, in my opinion the SC has made it easier for states to regulate guns....they put to rest the argument that the 2nd doesn't guarantee the right for an individual to own a gun. The rest of it will be determined by fed courts for years to come.

[Atypical Liberal]

140. We'll see.

But for the last 25 years things have only been getting more liberal with regards to firearm laws.

[soccer1]

141. Yes, I know. The tide will turn. It always does. Patience.

[Atypical Liberal]

143. Probably not in your lifetime.

The tide has been going my way for most of my adult life. It seems unlikely to change any time soon.

It may be that if President Obama wins a second term that he will decide to move against the second amendment as he will have no office to lose at that point. But it will be massively destructive to the liberal cause in general and so I doubt he will do so.

[soccer1]

144. No, probably not in my lifetime

[Marinedem]

57. Not at all.

But if we can trust our military and police with them, then Civilians should be able to have them as well. I thought we were against putting a monopoly of force in the hands of the police and .Mil here.

[soccer1]

110. Okay, but....

members of the military and law enforcement are highly trained in how and when to use their weapons. Not that they are perfect in that regard even though they are highly trained.

[tabasco]

56. Hahahahahaha.

You live in fear. Must suck.

Signed,

Combat infantry vet.

[Marinedem]

61. Yep. That's me. Big ole fraidy cat.

I'm so scared that I don't even want free men and women to be armed around me! The thought of someone having a weapon just makes me quiver. That's why I'm such an anti gunner.

Wait, that's not me......

One wonders how an supposed combat infantry vet ever made it through combat with such a mortal fear of an armed adversary.

[A Simple Game]

81. I really get a kick out of the old standby.

enforcing gun laws already on the books

It appears they did, they arrested him after he committed the crimes. Did the local cops miss one?

[longship]

55. Magazines? Sorry, I thought this thread was about drums.

Well, the side table next to window has room for a couple dozen magazines on top, next to the lamp, although the sun shines in during the day so I don't use the lamp until night. Under the table is more room, but I use that for books I am reading, not magazines.

My favorite magazines are Scientific American, Astronomy, and an occasional magazine from a skeptical bent. I also like The Nation, which is the oldest continuously published newsweekly on the planet. But I haven't subscribed to it in a while due to budget limitations.

Thanks for inquiring, though. What magazines do you read?

BTW, back to drums. I really like Gene Krupa, long time Benny Goodman drummer. 1938's recording Sing-Sing-Sing from Carnegie Hall is iconic. I think he's my favorite.

Thanks for your interest.

[Marinedem]

63. No need to be intentionally obtuse.

Any spring fed device used to contain cartridges for use in a firearm is referred to as a magazine. A magazine configured as a drum (or box, or stick, or pan) is still a magazine. The drum shown in the OP is a magazine.

Don't get me wrong, I would probably never buy one. I don't believe in restricting them, however.

[longship]

76. Touché!

I confess to trying to bring a little levity to a thread on a day where we all have, as LBJ once said, heavy hearts. I deliberately tried to derail the conversation here with that in mind.

I am very pleased that you didn't take it personal. I would have backed off quickly if you had.

To get to your point. I agree. Magazines are easy to construct. The Internet has plans all over the place. So there is no sense in outlawing them. Wouldn't do a damned bit of good, would it?

Now, back to those drummers...

[ellisonz]

96. Then you're supporting the right of this asshole to buy a whatever the fuck you want to call it?

[HooptieWagon]

69. Gene Krupa, Tony Williams, John Blackwell, and

a guy in NC named Jonathan Priest who kicks ass.

[xchrom]

30. Du rec. Nt

[aquart]

31. Change NRA to MME

Mass Murder Enablers

[Edweird]

32. The Virginia Tech shooter killed 32 with 10 and 15 round magazines.

What difference did the 100 round magazine make?

[Ruby the Liberal]

33. You would have to ask him.

Per the press conference, when arrested him, they confiscated 6,000 rounds in total.

[Go Vols]

53. I dont think

the 100 round mag had anything to do with it.

They are legal,this shit doesn't happen daily,a nut with guns did this.He could have rammed the people in line 30 minutes prior with his car and possibly done as much or more damage.

He had multiple guns,he could have just as well had 5 clips @ 100 rounds each.He is a nut.

[Mojorabbit]

128. +1000 nt

[Warren Stupidity]

54. our freedumbs is very important

[Go Vols]

60. +1

[Forgot username]

71. Hunting

Of course it's for hunting! Many are the day that I take my 100 round drum magazine hunting deer! Of course I drive my M1 Abrams main battle tank to the hunting site. You can never be too careful-have to protect yourself from deer tyranny.

[fascisthunter]

89. LOL...

[bluedigger]

92. Unreliable, awkward, and pretty much a waste of money to any serious recreational shooter.

It wouldn't surprise me if this was the first and only time Holmes had used this magazine. I wouldn't even consider one for self defense purposes, and I can't imagine wanting or needing to shoot 100 rounds in a row at the range. I'd probably break it on my first hunting trip, if I didn't throw it away first from the bruises it would give me banging against me.

But, it is handy for psychopaths, so go ahead and ban them, if it makes anyone feel "safer". Just leave the 20-30 round mags alone, as they are actually practical on the range.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

112. Anyone supporting a 100 round magazine should be thrown out of here like the garbage they are

There's just no excuse

[Johnny Rico]

117. I support the right to own a 100 round magazine.

Apparently that makes me "garbage" In your eyes.

I can live with that.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

133. I think you've got it figured out

[Tsiyu]

120. +1000000

No civilian needs a 100 round capacity magazine for ANY reason. But those with a fetish for their firearms want the "right" as some sort of principle, like it actually makes them feel all warm and fuzzy that they CAN own one if they want to. Even if it puts their own children and their communities at risk.

The only reason a civilian wants or needs a 100 round mag is to do what Holmes did. There is no other reason. If you think the apocalypse is coming, then you want one to "kill all the atheists and commies." And that's who buys these magazines - deranged, ego-maniacal wacknuts who love their guns more than they love their country or their neighbors or their families because someday there may be civil war and they want to be able to kill as many people as they can. THERE is NO other reason to own these.

I will not respond to anyone who disagrees. You will not change my mind so fuck off in advance. You're fucking psycho.

Thanks...

[Johnny Rico]

121. Let's hear it for rational discourse!

I will not respond to anyone who disagrees. You will not change my mind so fuck off in advance. You're fucking psycho.

[Tsiyu]

122. You betcha

I can't buy medical cannabis or raw milk, but by gawd I can buy a magazine that can take out my entire neighborhood.

America! Fuck yeah!!!!!

Land of the free ONLY for the gun psychos.

[bvar22]

134. But what if the Russians invade?

You're gonna look pretty stupid fending off the invaders with your low capacity magazines.

For GAWDS Sake, Man!
Didn't you'all learn ANYTHING from Red Dawn??!!!

[flamingdem]

142. That movie is genius

A classic for all time! A bit underapreciated.