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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 12:49 PM

Star Member brooklynite (84,324 posts)

The time has come for people here to stop disparaging the Franken accusation...

...or trying to explain it away as a RW hoax. Senator Franken has acknowledged that the incident occurred. He has apologized TO THE ACCUSER. Reading efforts to explain this away is embarassing.

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Reply The time has come for people here to stop disparaging the Franken accusation... (Original post)
 brooklynite Nov 2017 OP
LineReply Wait, no, she is ALSO claiming, isnt she, that when they were ALONE he
 Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #1
LineLineReply Sanity is not statistical
 Sailor65x1 Nov 2017 #24
LineLineNew Reply This is one of the most disgusting and frankly stupid things I've seen
 mythology Nov 2017 #35
LineReply Wrong!
 Chasstev365 Nov 2017 #2
LineLineReply Exactly, and isnt she also accusing him WHILE they were alone, how convenient
 Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #4
LineLineLineReply +1000
 smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #7
LineLineReply Let's see... Maybe you're right, maybe not
 Ezior Nov 2017 #25
LineLineLineNew Reply I disagree, when it comes to Hannity its VERY germane to the accusations. Those hacks will
 uponit7771 Nov 2017 #28
LineReply Yes, agreed, but
 TheCowsCameHome Nov 2017 #3
LineReply Agreed
 True Dough Nov 2017 #5
LineReply I don't believe her
 MFM008 Nov 2017 #6
LineLineNew Reply Me neither. This has the smell of a RW set up.
 Dream Girl Nov 2017 #37
LineReply Not yet. I think it will turn out the photo was staged.
 kcr Nov 2017 #8
LineLineReply Why then did he apologize to the accuser?
 brooklynite Nov 2017 #15
LineLineLineReply He apologized for taking the picture.
 kcr Nov 2017 #19
LineReply The time has come for people to stop telling other people what to do.
 moda253 Nov 2017 #9
LineReply I need to log off now.
 B2G Nov 2017 #10
LineLineReply Nah, stay and fight the good fight.
 SaschaHM Nov 2017 #12
LineLineReply Please stay! Really your posts are illuminating
 ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #17
LineReply This message was self-deleted by its author
 Skittles Nov 2017 #11
LineLineReply DO you have an actual source/quote of this claim?
 SaschaHM Nov 2017 #13
LineLineReply Do you have a link to the photographers ...
 Whiskeytide Nov 2017 #16
LineReply DU never acquits itself well in these kinds of things.
 WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #14
LineLineReply Maybe that's because we are all humans with likes, dislikes, biases, contradictions, and failings.
 FSogol Nov 2017 #20
LineReply I'm sick of trial via social media.
 grossproffit Nov 2017 #18
LineReply Yes, this is an incredibly important point.
 Bleacher Creature Nov 2017 #21
LineReply Many people pretend to have absolute knowledge of what may or may not be discussed.
 LanternWaste Nov 2017 #22
LineReply K & R!
 rogue emissary Nov 2017 #23
LineReply Sen Franken is a Democrat, so of course people here will minimize the accusation
 Lurks Often Nov 2017 #26
LineLineNew Reply It'd be the same. A Man that people like was accused of doing wrong.
 SaschaHM Nov 2017 #31
LineLineLineNew Reply Sometimes the line between right & wrong here gets awfully damn blurry
 Lurks Often Nov 2017 #36
LineReply The Republicans have finally found a way to make Moore just a wonderful man
 katmondoo Nov 2017 #27
LineNew Reply questioj if he resigns
 DonCoquixote Nov 2017 #29
LineNew Reply Franken apologized; the victim accepted the apology and said he shouldn't step down
 brooklynite Nov 2017 #30
LineLineNew Reply No..she's not going to say that..of course not, she's setting up her mates...
 Kirk Lover Nov 2017 #33
LineNew Reply Which incident are you referring to...the kiss or the picture? He said he does not remember the
 Kirk Lover Nov 2017 #32
LineNew Reply I agree.
 DemocraticWing Nov 2017 #34

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 12:52 PM

Star Member Eliot Rosewater (30,015 posts)

1. Wait, no, she is ALSO claiming, isnt she, that when they were ALONE he

pushed her to rehearse the kiss, etc?

THAT is the part there just so happens to be no witnesses for, not the photo.

I believe she is lying about this part, the rest of the story is known and what he did wrong was take a photo pretending to do something that was stupid to pretend to do, for sure.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:10 PM

Sailor65x1 (554 posts)

24. Sanity is not statistical

 

The fact that only one person is telling her story alone does not make her a liar. This fallacy is the reason so many things have gone unreported.

The only apparent reason people think she's lying is that DU happens to like Franken, and see her as the enemy. People here have no trouble believing singular accounts when it goes the other way.

Pretty disgusting.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:49 PM

mythology (9,527 posts)

35. This is one of the most disgusting and frankly stupid things I've seen

 

Seriously how many rapes or sexual assaults do you think are recorded? Are all of those people to be disbelieved? Or just the ones where you like the alleged perpetrator?

People like you, with this attitude is why victims don't come forward. Because people like you jump to attack them, to call them liars.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 12:52 PM

Chasstev365 (5,191 posts)

2. Wrong!

 

LeAnn Tweeden is a right wing friend of Sean Hannity and this was a deliberate attempt to deflect off of Roy Moore. The video was staged and she was awake, going along with the bit! That makes this thing very different!

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 12:54 PM

Star Member Eliot Rosewater (30,015 posts)

4. Exactly, and isnt she also accusing him WHILE they were alone, how convenient

that he pursued her for a kiss?

Think so, she is lying about that.

I am fucking beside myself, when will we stop falling for these fucking liars.

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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 12:55 PM

Star Member smirkymonkey (63,221 posts)

7. +1000

 

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:11 PM

Ezior (505 posts)

25. Let's see... Maybe you're right, maybe not

"LeAnn Tweeden is a right wing friend of Sean Hannity" -> doesn't matter, as this is unrelated to the accusations
"this was a deliberate attempt to deflect off of Roy Moore" -> it's entirely possible, but if the accusations hold true, it doesn't matter, since Franken is still to blame for his actions if the reports are true.
"The video was staged and she was awake, going along with the bit!" -> if this is true (everything was consensual), I agree that Franken is not to blame. I'm not convinced either way yet, though.

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Response to Ezior (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:37 PM

Star Member uponit7771 (88,271 posts)

28. I disagree, when it comes to Hannity its VERY germane to the accusations. Those hacks will

... put anyone up to do anything.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 12:54 PM

TheCowsCameHome (40,047 posts)

3. Yes, agreed, but

I am very distressed by how many men have gone down this path.

Maybe I'm just told fashioned, but this behavior is just plain wrong.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 12:54 PM

True Dough (14,687 posts)

5. Agreed

There are varying degrees of sexual harassment and assault, but wrong is wrong. What Franken did was wrong.

I don't think his resignation is necessary, unless he turns out to be a serial offender. But I am disappointed in him just the same. His moral high ground on such matters is now gone.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 12:55 PM

Star Member MFM008 (19,692 posts)

6. I don't believe her

I would apologize if I thought someone was offended even though they shouldn't be.
It's what THEY view as offensive.
She IS a maggot supporter... what a terrific way
To CHANGE THE SUBJECT.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:53 PM

Star Member Dream Girl (5,111 posts)

37. Me neither. This has the smell of a RW set up.

 

Shift the narrative, find a liberal dem we can smear. Bingo!

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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 12:55 PM

Star Member kcr (15,243 posts)

8. Not yet. I think it will turn out the photo was staged.

That's why he's calling for the investigation.

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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:05 PM

Star Member brooklynite (84,324 posts)

15. Why then did he apologize to the accuser?

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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:08 PM

Star Member kcr (15,243 posts)

19. He apologized for taking the picture.

But I read his book. He apologized for the type of humor he used to engage in. He's made an effort to distance himself from that type of humor. I think that's what he's doing. He's calling for the investigation because he knows what it will reveal. I think this is exactly the right way to handle the right-wing smear machine.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 12:56 PM

moda253 (615 posts)

9. The time has come for people to stop telling other people what to do.

 

You aren't the hall monitor.

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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 12:58 PM

B2G (9,766 posts)

10. I need to log off now.

 

Before I get myself banned for good.

Good try though. I agree completely.

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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:00 PM

SaschaHM (2,897 posts)

12. Nah, stay and fight the good fight.

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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:08 PM

ChubbyStar (3,191 posts)

17. Please stay! Really your posts are illuminating

Your opinion is valid!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:03 PM

SaschaHM (2,897 posts)

13. DO you have an actual source/quote of this claim?

Just asking because this is spreading like wildfire on twitter and no has pointed to a news source or a tweet from the photographer him/herself saying this. Heck no one has even named the photographer.

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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:06 PM

Whiskeytide (4,171 posts)

16. Do you have a link to the photographers ...

... comments? Was it staged by the photographer and Al, or was it staged by the photographer, Al AND Tweeden? That difference has a huge impact on her credibility.

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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:04 PM

Star Member WhiskeyGrinder (19,017 posts)

14. DU never acquits itself well in these kinds of things.

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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:09 PM

Star Member FSogol (43,513 posts)

20. Maybe that's because we are all humans with likes, dislikes, biases, contradictions, and failings.

It would be impossible to live up to the standards that people here purport.

High horses and all.

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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:08 PM

grossproffit (5,591 posts)

18. I'm sick of trial via social media.

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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:09 PM

Star Member Bleacher Creature (10,995 posts)

21. Yes, this is an incredibly important point.

As unlikely as it is, I've long been clear that I would never support a liberal version of people like Trump, Moore, etc. And I use the word "unlikely" because there literally are ZERO Democrats in the House or Senate who are as wacky as Trump, Moore, Pence, Goehmert, Steve King, Mo Brooks, and on and on and on.

If a Democrat does something objectively wrong, we need to be willing to call him or her out on it, no matter who it is. I've long been a huge fan of Franken - and I have many posts to prove that point - but the picture is reprehensible.

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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:09 PM

LanternWaste (37,748 posts)

22. Many people pretend to have absolute knowledge of what may or may not be discussed.

 

Many people pretend to have absolute knowledge of what may or may not be discussed.

Than pretense though is much less embarrassing than it is both tedious and consistent with the narrative.

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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:10 PM

Star Member rogue emissary (2,984 posts)

23. K & R!

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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:14 PM

Lurks Often (5,455 posts)

26. Sen Franken is a Democrat, so of course people here will minimize the accusation

 

or ignore or excuse it or deny it ever happened.

And since the alleged victim is a conservative woman she automatically loses credibility.


I wonder what the responses would be if the alleged victim was a Democrat.

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:41 PM

SaschaHM (2,897 posts)

31. It'd be the same. A Man that people like was accused of doing wrong.

Cue the defenders.
Cue the "What was she wearing" bullshit.
Cue the photos where she showed skin.
Cue the "My daddy was an honorable man" bullshit.

That response crosses the partisan divide.

Franken may be exonerated by the ethics investigation, however that doesn't even remotely excuse the sexist shit that has popped up here today.

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Response to SaschaHM (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:52 PM

Lurks Often (5,455 posts)

36. Sometimes the line between right & wrong here gets awfully damn blurry

 

for some posters. And you're right there is no excuse for the sexist shit that has been posted today.

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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:36 PM

Star Member katmondoo (6,367 posts)

27. The Republicans have finally found a way to make Moore just a wonderful man

and at the same time get back at Franken for harassing Sessions. Took them a while but the must have been working night and day to find the right Democrat to attack with the same charges as Moore

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:40 PM

DonCoquixote (13,474 posts)

29. questioj if he resigns

who gets to appoint his successor?

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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:41 PM

Star Member brooklynite (84,324 posts)

30. Franken apologized; the victim accepted the apology and said he shouldn't step down

DEFINITELY a R/W hoax!

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:45 PM

Kirk Lover (3,608 posts)

33. No..she's not going to say that..of course not, she's setting up her mates...

 

just watch the RW pricks...you wanna BET what they'll be saying.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:44 PM

Kirk Lover (3,608 posts)

32. Which incident are you referring to...the kiss or the picture? He said he does not remember the

 

rehearsal for the skit in the same way that she does. So how is that acknowledging that that happened? He is acknowledging the photo...but not that he groped her.

You act like something like this is beyond consideration for the RW hit machine to enact. YEAH OK.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:47 PM

DemocraticWing (1,290 posts)

34. I agree.

We’re supposed to be better than the Republicans.

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