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brooklynite

(94,256 posts)
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:49 PM Nov 2017

The time has come for people here to stop disparaging the Franken accusation...

...or trying to explain it away as a RW hoax. Senator Franken has acknowledged that the incident occurred. He has apologized TO THE ACCUSER. Reading efforts to explain this away is embarassing.

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The time has come for people here to stop disparaging the Franken accusation... (Original Post) brooklynite Nov 2017 OP
Wait, no, she is ALSO claiming, isnt she, that when they were ALONE he Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #1
Sanity is not statistical Sailor65x1 Nov 2017 #24
This is one of the most disgusting and frankly stupid things I've seen mythology Nov 2017 #35
Wrong! Chasstev365 Nov 2017 #2
Exactly, and isnt she also accusing him WHILE they were alone, how convenient Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #4
+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #7
Let's see... Maybe you're right, maybe not Ezior Nov 2017 #25
I disagree, when it comes to Hannity its VERY germane to the accusations. Those hacks will uponit7771 Nov 2017 #28
Yes, agreed, but TheCowsCameHome Nov 2017 #3
Agreed True Dough Nov 2017 #5
I don't believe her MFM008 Nov 2017 #6
Me neither. This has the smell of a RW set up. Dream Girl Nov 2017 #37
Not yet. I think it will turn out the photo was staged. kcr Nov 2017 #8
Why then did he apologize to the accuser? brooklynite Nov 2017 #15
He apologized for taking the picture. kcr Nov 2017 #19
The time has come for people to stop telling other people what to do. moda253 Nov 2017 #9
I need to log off now. B2G Nov 2017 #10
Nah, stay and fight the good fight. SaschaHM Nov 2017 #12
Please stay! Really your posts are illuminating ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Nov 2017 #11
DO you have an actual source/quote of this claim? SaschaHM Nov 2017 #13
Do you have a link to the photographers ... Whiskeytide Nov 2017 #16
DU never acquits itself well in these kinds of things. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #14
Maybe that's because we are all humans with likes, dislikes, biases, contradictions, and failings. FSogol Nov 2017 #20
I'm sick of trial via social media. grossproffit Nov 2017 #18
Yes, this is an incredibly important point. Bleacher Creature Nov 2017 #21
Many people pretend to have absolute knowledge of what may or may not be discussed. LanternWaste Nov 2017 #22
K & R! rogue emissary Nov 2017 #23
Sen Franken is a Democrat, so of course people here will minimize the accusation Lurks Often Nov 2017 #26
It'd be the same. A Man that people like was accused of doing wrong. SaschaHM Nov 2017 #31
Sometimes the line between right & wrong here gets awfully damn blurry Lurks Often Nov 2017 #36
The Republicans have finally found a way to make Moore just a wonderful man katmondoo Nov 2017 #27
questioj if he resigns DonCoquixote Nov 2017 #29
Franken apologized; the victim accepted the apology and said he shouldn't step down brooklynite Nov 2017 #30
No..she's not going to say that..of course not, she's setting up her mates... Kirk Lover Nov 2017 #33
Which incident are you referring to...the kiss or the picture? He said he does not remember the Kirk Lover Nov 2017 #32
I agree. DemocraticWing Nov 2017 #34

Eliot Rosewater

(31,104 posts)
1. Wait, no, she is ALSO claiming, isnt she, that when they were ALONE he
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:52 PM
Nov 2017

pushed her to rehearse the kiss, etc?

THAT is the part there just so happens to be no witnesses for, not the photo.

I believe she is lying about this part, the rest of the story is known and what he did wrong was take a photo pretending to do something that was stupid to pretend to do, for sure.

 

Sailor65x1

(554 posts)
24. Sanity is not statistical
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:10 PM
Nov 2017

The fact that only one person is telling her story alone does not make her a liar. This fallacy is the reason so many things have gone unreported.

The only apparent reason people think she's lying is that DU happens to like Franken, and see her as the enemy. People here have no trouble believing singular accounts when it goes the other way.

Pretty disgusting.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
35. This is one of the most disgusting and frankly stupid things I've seen
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:49 PM
Nov 2017

Seriously how many rapes or sexual assaults do you think are recorded? Are all of those people to be disbelieved? Or just the ones where you like the alleged perpetrator?

People like you, with this attitude is why victims don't come forward. Because people like you jump to attack them, to call them liars.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
2. Wrong!
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:52 PM
Nov 2017

LeAnn Tweeden is a right wing friend of Sean Hannity and this was a deliberate attempt to deflect off of Roy Moore. The video was staged and she was awake, going along with the bit! That makes this thing very different!

Eliot Rosewater

(31,104 posts)
4. Exactly, and isnt she also accusing him WHILE they were alone, how convenient
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:54 PM
Nov 2017

that he pursued her for a kiss?

Think so, she is lying about that.

I am fucking beside myself, when will we stop falling for these fucking liars.

Ezior

(505 posts)
25. Let's see... Maybe you're right, maybe not
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:11 PM
Nov 2017

"LeAnn Tweeden is a right wing friend of Sean Hannity" -> doesn't matter, as this is unrelated to the accusations
"this was a deliberate attempt to deflect off of Roy Moore" -> it's entirely possible, but if the accusations hold true, it doesn't matter, since Franken is still to blame for his actions if the reports are true.
"The video was staged and she was awake, going along with the bit!" -> if this is true (everything was consensual), I agree that Franken is not to blame. I'm not convinced either way yet, though.

uponit7771

(90,300 posts)
28. I disagree, when it comes to Hannity its VERY germane to the accusations. Those hacks will
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:37 PM
Nov 2017

... put anyone up to do anything.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,167 posts)
3. Yes, agreed, but
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:54 PM
Nov 2017

I am very distressed by how many men have gone down this path.

Maybe I'm just told fashioned, but this behavior is just plain wrong.

True Dough

(17,237 posts)
5. Agreed
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:54 PM
Nov 2017

There are varying degrees of sexual harassment and assault, but wrong is wrong. What Franken did was wrong.

I don't think his resignation is necessary, unless he turns out to be a serial offender. But I am disappointed in him just the same. His moral high ground on such matters is now gone.

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
6. I don't believe her
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:55 PM
Nov 2017

I would apologize if I thought someone was offended even though they shouldn't be.
It's what THEY view as offensive.
She IS a maggot supporter... what a terrific way
To CHANGE THE SUBJECT.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
37. Me neither. This has the smell of a RW set up.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:53 PM
Nov 2017

Shift the narrative, find a liberal dem we can smear. Bingo!

kcr

(15,313 posts)
8. Not yet. I think it will turn out the photo was staged.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:55 PM
Nov 2017

That's why he's calling for the investigation.

kcr

(15,313 posts)
19. He apologized for taking the picture.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:08 PM
Nov 2017

But I read his book. He apologized for the type of humor he used to engage in. He's made an effort to distance himself from that type of humor. I think that's what he's doing. He's calling for the investigation because he knows what it will reveal. I think this is exactly the right way to handle the right-wing smear machine.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
13. DO you have an actual source/quote of this claim?
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:03 PM
Nov 2017

Just asking because this is spreading like wildfire on twitter and no has pointed to a news source or a tweet from the photographer him/herself saying this. Heck no one has even named the photographer.

Whiskeytide

(4,459 posts)
16. Do you have a link to the photographers ...
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:06 PM
Nov 2017

... comments? Was it staged by the photographer and Al, or was it staged by the photographer, Al AND Tweeden? That difference has a huge impact on her credibility.

FSogol

(45,425 posts)
20. Maybe that's because we are all humans with likes, dislikes, biases, contradictions, and failings.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:09 PM
Nov 2017

It would be impossible to live up to the standards that people here purport.

High horses and all.

Bleacher Creature

(11,249 posts)
21. Yes, this is an incredibly important point.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:09 PM
Nov 2017

As unlikely as it is, I've long been clear that I would never support a liberal version of people like Trump, Moore, etc. And I use the word "unlikely" because there literally are ZERO Democrats in the House or Senate who are as wacky as Trump, Moore, Pence, Goehmert, Steve King, Mo Brooks, and on and on and on.

If a Democrat does something objectively wrong, we need to be willing to call him or her out on it, no matter who it is. I've long been a huge fan of Franken - and I have many posts to prove that point - but the picture is reprehensible.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
22. Many people pretend to have absolute knowledge of what may or may not be discussed.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:09 PM
Nov 2017

Many people pretend to have absolute knowledge of what may or may not be discussed.

Than pretense though is much less embarrassing than it is both tedious and consistent with the narrative.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
26. Sen Franken is a Democrat, so of course people here will minimize the accusation
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:14 PM
Nov 2017

or ignore or excuse it or deny it ever happened.

And since the alleged victim is a conservative woman she automatically loses credibility.


I wonder what the responses would be if the alleged victim was a Democrat.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
31. It'd be the same. A Man that people like was accused of doing wrong.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:41 PM
Nov 2017

Cue the defenders.
Cue the "What was she wearing" bullshit.
Cue the photos where she showed skin.
Cue the "My daddy was an honorable man" bullshit.

That response crosses the partisan divide.

Franken may be exonerated by the ethics investigation, however that doesn't even remotely excuse the sexist shit that has popped up here today.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
36. Sometimes the line between right & wrong here gets awfully damn blurry
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:52 PM
Nov 2017

for some posters. And you're right there is no excuse for the sexist shit that has been posted today.

katmondoo

(6,454 posts)
27. The Republicans have finally found a way to make Moore just a wonderful man
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:36 PM
Nov 2017

and at the same time get back at Franken for harassing Sessions. Took them a while but the must have been working night and day to find the right Democrat to attack with the same charges as Moore

brooklynite

(94,256 posts)
30. Franken apologized; the victim accepted the apology and said he shouldn't step down
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:41 PM
Nov 2017

DEFINITELY a R/W hoax!

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
33. No..she's not going to say that..of course not, she's setting up her mates...
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:45 PM
Nov 2017

just watch the RW pricks...you wanna BET what they'll be saying.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
32. Which incident are you referring to...the kiss or the picture? He said he does not remember the
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:44 PM
Nov 2017

rehearsal for the skit in the same way that she does. So how is that acknowledging that that happened? He is acknowledging the photo...but not that he groped her.

You act like something like this is beyond consideration for the RW hit machine to enact. YEAH OK.

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