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Javaman

(62,530 posts)
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 04:03 PM Nov 2017

the orange menace is the classic case of the peter principle..

The Peter principle is a concept in management theory formulated by educator Laurence J. Peter and published in 1969. It states that the selection of a candidate for a position is based on the candidate's performance in their current role, rather than on abilities relevant to the intended role. Thus, employees only stop being promoted once they can no longer perform effectively, and "managers rise to the level of their incompetence".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle

however I would like to offer a corrilary to the peter principle...

in the orange menaces case, thuggery and money have had major influence on his climb to "success".

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the orange menace is the classic case of the peter principle.. (Original Post) Javaman Nov 2017 OP
Trump reached his level of incompetence when he was promoted to first grade. Xipe Totec Nov 2017 #1
Peter Principle combined with... 3catwoman3 Nov 2017 #2
I had never heard of the DK principle... Javaman Nov 2017 #4
That's Dick gibraltar72 Nov 2017 #3
was it murphy who said that the peter principle was optimistic? niyad Nov 2017 #5
I can't resist adding that... 3catwoman3 Nov 2017 #6
Trump has nothing to do with the Peter Principle grantcart Nov 2017 #7
Well his peter could certainly be called the orange menace. n/t miyazaki Nov 2017 #8
I would think that the first bankruptcy aka-chmeee Nov 2017 #9

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
1. Trump reached his level of incompetence when he was promoted to first grade.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 04:04 PM
Nov 2017

He should have never graduated from kindergarten.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
4. I had never heard of the DK principle...
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 04:11 PM
Nov 2017

but I am familiar with it because of John Cleese.

In order to know how good you are at something requires exactly the same skills as it does to be good at that thing in the first place. Which means, and this is terribly funny, that if you are absolutely no good at something at all, then you lack exactly the skills you need to know that you are absolutely no good at it."In order to know how good you are at something requires exactly the same skills as it does to be good at that thing in the first place. Which means, and this is terribly funny, that if you are absolutely no good at something at all, then you lack exactly the skills you need to know that you are absolutely no good at it.
• John Cleese

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
7. Trump has nothing to do with the Peter Principle
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:20 PM
Nov 2017

The Peter Principle speaks to the weakness in organizations promoting people beyond their level of competence. It doesn't apply to outside hires or situations where people are elected.

Had Trump worked his way up in elected offices, like Senator, you could make a case for it but it still wouldn't apply.

You can't make the case that Trump was a successful CEO of a small corporation and was promoted to a larger organization because he functioned more as an investor than a CEO of a public corporation. As a CEO he did not demonstrate success as he suffered repeated bankruptcies.

aka-chmeee

(1,132 posts)
9. I would think that the first bankruptcy
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 07:17 PM
Nov 2017

was strong evidence he had fulfilled the principle's requirements long before he decided to try politics

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