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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 12:58 PM Oct 2017

Kelly did not "make a mistake" or "mis-speak". He LIED!

He said HE WAS THERE AND HE HEARD the congresswoman brag about getting the money for the building being dedicated. And, this owasn't a case of simply using the wrong word. He went on at great length and with great specificity about what "stunned" him.

The man lied!

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Kelly did not "make a mistake" or "mis-speak". He LIED! (Original Post) Atticus Oct 2017 OP
yes, when any fool can go online and find the truth....kelly lied..you apologize for a mistake.... spanone Oct 2017 #1
Thank you. It is the inability of the MSM to call a jrthin Oct 2017 #2
How is this the fault of the MSM? Haven't you seen all the reports of the false statements... George II Oct 2017 #12
They've been using weasel words Mariana Oct 2017 #15
Thank you. Your wording is exactly what I wanted to express. jrthin Oct 2017 #22
He's an empty barrel. eShirl Oct 2017 #3
Yes. And white nationalists aren't aggrieved citizens.... charlyvi Oct 2017 #4
He also said that she went up there and said it. Up there at a podium, so no he was not referencing SweetieD Oct 2017 #5
And stupidly, too. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2017 #6
Looks like a Trump-designed character assassination of Rep. Wilson. NCjack Oct 2017 #8
Hes an unapologetic liar! arthritisR_US Oct 2017 #7
I don't think he lied at all RandomAccess Oct 2017 #9
You are more charitable than I am. nt Atticus Oct 2017 #10
Not at all -- IMO my version is WORSE RandomAccess Oct 2017 #11
If his memory sucks that bad, he should have found a transcript. Mariana Oct 2017 #16
Or, now that his memory has been shown to be wrong gratuitous Oct 2017 #19
Good point RandomAccess Oct 2017 #21
It becomes a lie when you double-down AFTER video surfaces showing nothing of the sort happened. DRoseDARs Oct 2017 #18
Well, THAT's true RandomAccess Oct 2017 #20
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2017 #23
Some news anchors are finally using the word "lie". BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #13
He said everyone was "stunned" at her remarks. world wide wally Oct 2017 #14
the Chief Bloviator chose Kelly donotpissoffacow Oct 2017 #17
Kelly might be as dumb as Trussia, why waste credibility on this issue !? Just why ?! He could've... uponit7771 Oct 2017 #24

spanone

(135,755 posts)
1. yes, when any fool can go online and find the truth....kelly lied..you apologize for a mistake....
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 12:59 PM
Oct 2017

or mis-speak

jrthin

(4,828 posts)
2. Thank you. It is the inability of the MSM to call a
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 01:00 PM
Oct 2017

Spade a spade that has made it possible to have this freak in the WH. And as long as MSM continue with this kind of reporting and journalism, we are f*cked.

George II

(67,782 posts)
12. How is this the fault of the MSM? Haven't you seen all the reports of the false statements...
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 03:42 PM
Oct 2017

...by Kelly? If it wasn't for the MSM we never would have seen that video of Congresswoman Wilson speaking in 2015.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
15. They've been using weasel words
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 04:00 PM
Oct 2017

to avoid saying the truth outright. Headlines have said shit like, Kelly May Have Been Mistaken in his Remarks. Even after the video was released, the Video Appeared to Show Kelly Misstated the Facts.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
4. Yes. And white nationalists aren't aggrieved citizens....
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 01:02 PM
Oct 2017

THEY'RE NAZIS! Cut the bullshit and start calling things what they are.

SweetieD

(1,660 posts)
5. He also said that she went up there and said it. Up there at a podium, so no he was not referencing
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 01:03 PM
Oct 2017

Something he heard in a backroom somewhere.

He lied just to smear this congresswoman.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
8. Looks like a Trump-designed character assassination of Rep. Wilson.
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 01:42 PM
Oct 2017

His plan requires Gen. Kelly not to apologize. That allows Trump in campaign mode to say "Kelly would have apologized if he was wrong -- he's a Marine general -- those guys don't lie. So, he told the truth and those women lied." And, that will be good enough to hold his base.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
9. I don't think he lied at all
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 02:17 PM
Oct 2017

Lying requires intention not to tell the truth you know.

I don't think he remembered it accurately. I believe the man is SO racist, SO sexist, that in his mind he focused on her one comment when she gave herself credit merely for going to John Boehner, got incensed about that and didn't even hear -- or at least didn't remember all the rest of what she said.

Her speech was remarkable, IMO. Full of acknowledgment and praise for all the right people.

But she is BLACK, and a WOMAN (who clearly doesn't adhere to being all sacred and stuff), daring to mention the step she took in talking to Boehner -- and it incensed him, and that's all he remembered, and inflated it in his mind and memory to all of what he said.

ETA: She does, however, have a perfectly horrible voice that grates on MY nerves. How jarring it must have been to his manly ears (thus exacerbating the whole racist / sexist problem).

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
11. Not at all -- IMO my version is WORSE
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 02:31 PM
Oct 2017

Sexism and racism are far worse than merely lying, IMO. If my theory is correct, you can see the mayhem it caused.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
16. If his memory sucks that bad, he should have found a transcript.
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 04:03 PM
Oct 2017

He should have refreshed his shitty memory before he stood in front of TV cameras acting all indignant and appalled by something that never even happened. Fuck him.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
19. Or, now that his memory has been shown to be wrong
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 04:15 PM
Oct 2017

Kelly should, at the very least as any decent human being would do, say that he misremembered and apologize to the person he defamed. That he hasn't done so tells me that this wasn't a mistake, but a deliberate lie.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
21. Good point
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 04:47 PM
Oct 2017

I honestly do believe it wasn't a lie going in (and as I said elsewhere, the racism/sexism make it worse in my mind) -- but yeah, coming out. You bet.

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
18. It becomes a lie when you double-down AFTER video surfaces showing nothing of the sort happened.
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 04:10 PM
Oct 2017

He may have "known" what he heard, but when video clearly shows what he had "known" was said was definitely NOT said, doubling-down on the alternative fact unequivocally transitions from misremembered words to overt lie.

BigmanPigman

(51,529 posts)
13. Some news anchors are finally using the word "lie".
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 03:45 PM
Oct 2017

They all need to stop sanitizing it. Untruths, alternative facts, fallacies, etc are called LIES!

 

donotpissoffacow

(91 posts)
17. the Chief Bloviator chose Kelly
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 04:06 PM
Oct 2017

and all of the cabinet. Kelly just threw himself and his son on a sword for Orange Ass. That tells me the 25th amendment isn't worth shit.

uponit7771

(90,296 posts)
24. Kelly might be as dumb as Trussia, why waste credibility on this issue !? Just why ?! He could've...
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 06:59 PM
Oct 2017

... just said he disagreed and that he knew Trussia meant well and shut up.

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