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I want to go #OffTheCliff on Jan 1 (Original Post) MrScorpio Jul 2012 OP
Yes. GoCubsGo Jul 2012 #1
Yes! KarenS Jul 2012 #2
Was kinda scratching my head, but I DO get it now...... a kennedy Jul 2012 #16
Absofuckinglutely. Booster Jul 2012 #3
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #4
I am ready Samantha Jul 2012 #5
Explain to the unenlightened? proud2BlibKansan Jul 2012 #6
Lawrence O'Donnell says it will END Grover Norquist control of Congress csziggy Jul 2012 #25
Yes. one_voice Jul 2012 #7
You have my blessing. Walla! Zanzoobar Jul 2012 #8
Yes. But when he first said that, the image I got was DebJ Jul 2012 #9
I'm lost SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #10
Read response #13 lunatica Jul 2012 #35
Thanks :) SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #36
Already jumped carolinamg25 Jul 2012 #11
Yes! #OffTheCliff, and #TaxTheRich, and #BringJobsHome Waiting For Everyman Jul 2012 #12
For those who don't know... DURHAM D Jul 2012 #13
Not if it means my taxes go up kctim Jul 2012 #14
Not even for just one or two weeks? DURHAM D Jul 2012 #15
Nope, not even for "just" a few weeks kctim Jul 2012 #20
Are you a democrat? DURHAM D Jul 2012 #22
His sig says he's a 1%er... SalviaBlue Jul 2012 #28
Been Democrat my entire life kctim Jul 2012 #30
The question was - Are you a democrat ? (note small d) DURHAM D Jul 2012 #31
Give me a break kctim Jul 2012 #32
Huh? DURHAM D Jul 2012 #33
Even if it keeps the economy from collapsing, again? Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #17
Your OPINION kctim Jul 2012 #21
Well, the economy did collapse while we had these tax rates. Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #23
Go for it BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #18
I've been saying that about the Bush tax cuts for over a year Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #19
It will be painful for a few weeks SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #24
I'm ready to go!!!! montanacowboy Jul 2012 #26
Yes Gothmog Jul 2012 #27
Button Design contest Gothmog Jul 2012 #29
Yes. lunatica Jul 2012 #34
Off the cliff afrommi Nov 2012 #37

a kennedy

(30,155 posts)
16. Was kinda scratching my head, but I DO get it now......
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:10 PM
Jul 2012

after listening to Lawrence.....he did lay it out very nicely, and I do want #off the cliff!!!

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)


(34,149 posts)
25. Lawrence O'Donnell says it will END Grover Norquist control of Congress
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:46 PM
Jul 2012

If Congress allows the Bush Tax Cuts to expire (go "off the cliff&quot at the end of the year, then force the Republicans in Congress next year to pass tax cuts for ONLY the 99% (or whatever percentage actually deserves them).

Link to video and article: http://thelastword.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/19/12837776-submit-designs-for-off-the-cliff-campaign


(7,699 posts)
9. Yes. But when he first said that, the image I got was
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:06 AM
Jul 2012

the commercial where a Republican is pushing an elderly woman in a wheelchair
off the cliff.


(1 post)
11. Already jumped
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:15 AM
Jul 2012

O'donell described it beautifully. Republicans and Norquist be scared be very scared. Democrats please for once stand your ground and do the right thing.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
12. Yes! #OffTheCliff, and #TaxTheRich, and #BringJobsHome
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:25 AM
Jul 2012

Very cool to see those trending on Twitter right now. And to see the 'thuggers freaking out about it!


(32,637 posts)
15. Not even for just one or two weeks?
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:07 PM
Jul 2012

Edit - sorry, missed the fact you are a 1%er

Of course you don't want your taxes to go up.



(3,575 posts)
20. Nope, not even for "just" a few weeks
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 03:27 PM
Jul 2012

Like the majority of Americans, my wallet is a big part of my vote. You cut my pay, I have less enthusiasm to vote for you.



(3,575 posts)
30. Been Democrat my entire life
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 02:23 PM
Jul 2012

Democrat, not liberal or progressive.

Are you under the false impression that ALL Democrats enjoy paying high taxes?


(32,637 posts)
31. The question was - Are you a democrat ? (note small d)
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 02:29 PM
Jul 2012

You know... someone who believes in equality. Which would, of course, mean fair taxing policy.

I guess you are not.

So, why are you here?



(3,575 posts)
32. Give me a break
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:01 PM
Jul 2012

The mistake you make is in thinking that YOU get to define "equality for all people," and you do not.
Raising taxes on us lower income people at this time would create undo hardship on us and I am not willing to suffer additional hardship because progressives THINK Republicans will fold.

You want to raise taxes on the wealthy, fine. But do it without raising mine.


(32,637 posts)
33. Huh?
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 04:06 PM
Jul 2012

What is this "us lower income people"? Which is it - are you high income or low income?

"suffer additional hardship" LOL if you are indeed 1%.



(22,308 posts)
17. Even if it keeps the economy from collapsing, again?
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:12 PM
Jul 2012

Your taxes are going to go back to where Clinton had them, deal with it.



(3,575 posts)
21. Your OPINION
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 03:35 PM
Jul 2012

that the economy will collapse, means nothing. Your OPINION that people should suffer hardship so that you can win some political point, means nothing.
You OPINION doesn't mean jack-shit on this.

Deal with it.



(22,308 posts)
23. Well, the economy did collapse while we had these tax rates.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:38 PM
Jul 2012

Also the people who are actually suffering hardship are not in the one percent. The very fact that you think you are the ones suffering hardship proves beyond any doubt that it is your OPINION that is mistaken here.


(131,860 posts)
18. Go for it
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:20 PM
Jul 2012

I usually can't stay up to watch LO, but did and he burst out of the gates as soon as he opened the show!



(22,308 posts)
19. I've been saying that about the Bush tax cuts for over a year
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:42 PM
Jul 2012

why are people just catching on now?

I'm not crazy about the cuts to domestic spending that are included with going off that cliff but the Bush tax cuts need to go away so we can pass our own tax cut bill. The Obama Tax Cuts must be the new norm and the new phrase used for the next decade.

I would even try to include a higher tax bracket or two for people making very large amounts of money and place higher rates on them. Let the (R)s fight a tax cut for 98% of American, even if it does raise taxes on 1%. Screw 'em.


(7,290 posts)
24. It will be painful for a few weeks
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:44 PM
Jul 2012

But if that's as long as it lasts, it won't have a long-term deterimental effect on the economy. If it stretches out too long, and the lower and middle class get stuck with a sizeable tax increase, it will do some damage in that disposable income will be reduced.


(147,439 posts)
29. Button Design contest
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 06:14 PM
Jul 2012

THe Last Word is having a button design contest for the official "Off the Cliff" campaign button http://thelastword.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/19/12837776-submit-designs-for-off-the-cliff-campaign?lite

I have a button machine and can make up some samples if anyone has a good design


(53,410 posts)
34. Yes.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 04:11 PM
Jul 2012

This type of opposition is something I really like. Almost always there's a way of taking the power away from someone which doesn't entail direct confrontation or conflict. It usually entails going through the 'back door' and taking the power away in a way the power monger is incapable of stopping.

It's kind of like Wiley Coyote and the Roadrunner. Let Norquist hang there in mid air off the cliff so he falls because of his own actions.


(1 post)
37. Off the cliff
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:04 PM
Nov 2012

Yes, After we fall off the cliff, AND Obama wins taxes for the middle class and working poor will DECREASE. We need to give President Obama a good congress that loves this country and is willing to negotiate a new tax code. If Romney wins, he will send social programs to the states and state taxes will rise in those states that adopt the programs. The wealthy who don't want to pay higher state taxes will move to states that do not adopt those programs. And the middle class and working poor who cannot move will be overwhelmed with taxes. Government needs to exist to regulate. They are not there just to collect taxes and make policy that protect wealth.
Privatization of government is fascism. We cannot allow our taxes to go to CEO who will require millions of dollars in salaries. Those will have to come from us. Our taxes will have to go up. We prefer to pay a civil servant's salary instead of private companies CEOs salaries.

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