Of course dems could lose in November

[cali]

Of course the repulsive Mitt could win the Presidency. It's sticking your head in the sand to deny that those are distinct possibilities. We do not have a well informed electorate. People are fickle. Race is an ugly but real piece of this whole thing. The media wants a horse race. Republicans are doing everything they can to disenfranchise dem leaning voters. And Mitt is going to have a significant $$$ advantage.

Yeah, Mitt's had a lousy past 10 days but so far the polls don't reflect any damage to him- and that includes dem leading polls like PPP which just issued a poll for NM showing the President losing a lot of ground to Mitt and the same thing is reflected in a WMUR poll out of NH.

Now you can just call all polls you don't like bullshit, but that's not going to change reality.

Republicans could win it all in November and we're going to have to fight like hell to prevent it.

[pnwmom]

1. And of course we can't assume that election fraud won't play a huge role

in this election, as it did in 2000 and 2004.

[judesedit]

11. That's it in a nutshell.

[valerief]

13. I'd be AMAZED if election fraud didn't play a MASSIVE role. nt

[mazzarro]

2. You are right

And I think that PTB democrats are to blame for allowing the rePIGs to regain their footings after the 2008 election. The economy is going to be a big drag on the democrats since I don't think that Federal Reserve will do anything to help the economy which will be against the will of the rePIGs. The only way will for Obama to win will be the slug-fest that we presently seeing. The Obama team better have a bag full of issues to throw out into the arena.

[lastlib]

3. BIG K & R!! Keep fightin', and...

...GET OUT THE VOTE!!!

[Motown_Johnny]

4. Possible, but Mitt winning is unlikely

Any electoral map shows President Obama with a huge advantage. I don't see Rmoney being a strong enough candidate to overcome that disadvantage.


Unless some event beyond our control becomes an overwhelming factor, Greece collapsing or an attack on Iran by Israel, President Obama should be able to reach 270.

[AverageJoe90]

24. True......

And frankly, I don't really think an attack on Iran by Israel would affect Obama's chances much anyhow unless he screws up monumentally(not at all likely).....although Greece collapsing could give the Repukes an opprotunity to spread yet another disinfo campaign........

[eridani]

29. I'm far more worried about Congress n/t

[Motown_Johnny]

30. I think we all are more worried about Congress

The only possible silver lining here is that if people don't show up for Rmoney then all the other (R)s on the ticket don't get those votes either.

[KaryninMiami]

5. Repeat after me - If we don't have a landslide we loose

Between the rigged machines and the massive disenfranchisement - purging, Photo IDs, less time for voting, etc. if we are not ahead by more then 4 points- possibly 5- we loose.

And I am still not convinced yet that the number of people who hate President Obama that will vote for whomever the candidate is actually less then the number who are either in support of Obama or are on the fence enough to vote for him anyway, knowing what a dick Romney is. I worry that the Obama haters are so fired up and that we lost a ton of momentum from 08 due to a variety of reasons (disappointment, lack of interest, frustration, etc.).

So yes you are correct. There is still a very good chance that Romney will be the next president.
It's time for all hand on deck.

[flying_wahini]

6. Don't forget the deep pockets the Rmoney camp has.........

Some people will do ANYTHING for money. and Power.



Scary

[DCBob]

7. a couple of things..

The full impact of the Bain thing and taxes has not played out in polling... give it another cycle. Anyway, we shouldnt expect a major immediate bump... this attack is more to define Romney which will have a more long term impact. Also, remember Obama had a bad couple of weeks prior to this with bad economic and employment numbers. Finally, Obama is still way ahead in the EC race. I think only a collapse in the economy gives Romney any chance of winning. But, yes, we still need to fight like hell like our lives depend on it... because in reality they do.

[judesedit]

8. And don't forget the number one threat...easily hacked electronic voting machines and scanners

Wake up, people. Start demanding fair elections. Get rid of these illegitimate machines. Go for paper ballots, hand counting and get rid of the electorate. We don't need them anymore. Above all...get the money out of politics!

[CK_John]

26. How can you rig over 50,000 different ballots districts. You need to

research to voting system. You have to prevent the camel from getting into the tent instead of changing the menu after they are already inside.

[veganlush]

9. take a minute and donate a couple of bucks

right now

[ProSense]

10. Well,

"Now you can just call all polls you don't like bullshit, but that's not going to change reality. "

...given the majority of the polls show the President winning, I wouldn't call them bullshit unless they're bullshit (like the NYT poll that showed Romney leading among women). In fact, most of the state polls show the President leading.

In fact, his lead grew in NY and is solid in NJ

http://www.siena.edu/uploadedfiles/home/parents_and_community/community_page/sri/sny_poll/SNY%20July%202012%20Poll%20Release%20--%20FINAL-1.pdf

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/new-jersey/release-detail?ReleaseID=1776

It also grew among Hispanics.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002967933

Fox has the President ahead, but that's another story.

Mitt is taking a beating, and polls show voters want to see his tax returns. It can only get worse for him.

The polls are going to show a horse race. The choice is not complacency or calling out Mitt. Nothing stopping Democrats from appealing to voters and hounding Mitt.

I think the President's campaign knows that, and knows how to do more than one thing at a time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002971274

[Skittles]

12. CORRECT

if you don't believe it, realize that Dubya was "president" for EIGHT FUCKING YEARS

[Patiod]

14. And voter ID bills disenfranchising so many in PA and IN

While purges are going on in other states like FL.

[littlewolf]

15. I don't know if Bain is going to overcome

the economy and the way Rmoney is gonna play it ...

[NAO]

16. November 2, 2004 - incompetent, reckless, evil, warmonger, torturer elected

It's not like the qualities of the candidates matter. It's not even like, "if we just got the information out there" it would matter.

If G W Bush could get anywhere near 50% in 2004, (which he apparently did, even if you include voter fraud in OH), that means the American people will willfully, knowingly choose an evil incompetent thug for president.

The good guys do not always win. You expect that. But you don't expect openly evil, dangerously incompetent people - horrific beyond any president in living memory - to get elected.

Yes, FYI, I actually HAVE been saying "I told you so" every day since $1 trillion vaporized in the fall of 2007.

Back then, I didn't know if Kerry won, whether he'd be able to rescue the country after Bush destroyed it for four years. But after EIGHT years of Bush, when I voted for Obama, I didn't have any delusions about his ability (or anyone else) to save the US economy.

[Wolf Frankula]

17. November 1980, A senile actor and failed governor wins the presidency

Remember Ronnie Raygunz, the one all the Democratic strategists wanted to get the rethuglican nomination because he was so dumb and out of touch. He got the nomination, then waltzed to a win, (of course, after some rethuglican treason). He was re-elected too, because "He's such a nice man. He has such a sunny disposition."

We have to fight like hell for every state. Take nothing for granted.

Wolf

[zbdent]

18. Naw, Dems can't lose come November ... we've got the "liberally-biased media" in our back pockets

right?

RIGHT????

Someone, please help me out here ... we got the "liberally-biased media" helping out Obama and every Democrat, right??????

[DCBob]

19. The most recent national poll, albeit Fox, has Obama up by 4..

The CBS/NYT poll is a bit stale..

FOX News 7/15 - 7/17 901 RV 3.0 45 41 Obama +4
CBS News/NY Times 7/11 - 7/16 942 RV 3.0 46 47 Romney +1

Could be the Bain/taxes effect finally showing up.

[MiniprotesterTodd]

20. Dems win if truth survives...

While Romney still is looking for money, he has to pander to the far right. When the general election looms, he'll tac back leftwards to the center thinking his base is locked in. They won't be. Between indifference, distrust of the Mormon faith, and the fact that he can't stop rubbing his wealth in our faces, Romney won't get people to the polls. Only fear can do that.

And we can diffuse that fear with truth on the streets. Make his professional tombstone read: "Career went bust for backing BLUE BLOOD WELFARE.

Show it like this on three consecutive street corners using the miniprotesting approach to curbside activism:

Corner #1: Isn't Romney's Support of the Ryan Budget Favoring BLUE BLOOD WELFARE?
Corner #2: Ryan Budget Drops Top Tax Tier by 14%, Gives Every Millionaire $140,000 For Each Million He Makes
Corner #3: Romney's Support for Ryan Budget Proves He’s Leading the 1% Privilege Posse

Miniprotests are made up of three groups of four spread out over three consecutive street corners. Each group within this "protest string" has someone in its center holding a 30" x 40" main sign at waist level. The three folks around each central miniprotester hold traditional signs overhead that reflect the theme. That way the focus of motorists will be on the three main signs at eye level which make a running message like the old Burma Shave rural roadside ads. This format allows a few seconds (or minutes if traffic is really bad which is ideal) for folks to digest each part of the main message before they see the next.

See more about miniprotesting at:

http://miniprotests.com

[jaysunb]

27. This is very good. n/t

[graywarrior]

21. They're stealing it right now with the voting restrictions in various states

[Jamaal510]

22. I think it's unlikely that Willard Rob-me will win,

but like OP said--none of us should take this election for granted. The winner will likely get to nominate the next supreme court justice(s).
What really concerns me, though, are the Congressional races. If the Democrats cannot win a filibuster-proof majority and win back the House, it'll be more of the same old-same old that we've been through the past 2 years. More economic paralysis. More partisan gridlock.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

23. If there's one thing election trends keep showing us

It's that America keeps falling back to Republicans as if that's safer.

I believed Obama threw that notion out the window when he took out bin Laden.

I also know most Americans blame Bush and Wall Street for the economy and Republicans have abandoned their "folksy" image by getting behind Wall Street.

You aren't going to get the racists to stay home unless the GOP picks Condi for VP. Those types are likely to firebomb a Republican campaign office for "treason".

This Fall I expect Obama will introduce a bill called, "The United States Jobs Act" and DARE Republicans to vote it down.

[Jessy169]

25. Mitt has 40 to 45% in the bag, nothing can change that

No amount of proof that Romney is an unethical scumbag at best or a tax-evading fraudulant criminal at worst will change the fact that he's got at least 40% and probably more like 45% of the vote locked up, buttoned down and in the fucking bag. That would be the religious right, the entire Mormon population, the NRA and NRA sympathizers, the vast hoardes of racists and anti-immigration loonies, the gay-haters, the small business owners who are convinced by lies and propaganda that Obama is out to get them, and of course the upper .01% who are driving the crazy train called the Republican Party. Democrats have far superior numbers, potentially, but getting a massive number of people to go out and vote -- and getting those votes counted -- is the only thing that will save us from a Romney victory. That, and a lot of $5 to $100 contributions from people like me and you. Anybody who doesn't believe that better think again.

[lonestarnot]

28. Fight the voter suppression with everything possible.

[lame54]

31. Mitt won't win over more actual voters...

But purging and Diebold are very real threats

[KaryninMiami]

32. That's my guess to- he will not get more votes but he could still easily win.

Purging, Machine manipulation/fraud, photo Ids, limited voting times, etc.