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NeoGreen

(4,031 posts)
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 11:08 AM Oct 2017

Las Vegas Is Only the Deadliest Shooting in US History Because They Dont Count Black Lives...

https://www.theroot.com/this-is-only-the-deadliest-shooting-in-u-s-history-bec-1819112938


Las Vegas Is Only the Deadliest Shooting in US History Because They Don’t Count Black Lives
Michael Harriot

News reporters and anchors have repeatedly referred to the recent tragedy in Las Vegas as the “worst mass shooting in U.S. history.” Like all things that are constantly repeated, the proclamation has become fact.

In 2013 a report by the Congressional Research Service defined a public mass shooting (pdf) this way:

incidents occurring in relatively public places, involving four or more deaths—not including the shooter(s)—and gunmen who select victims somewhat indiscriminately. The violence in these cases is not a means to an end such as robbery or terrorism.


So, according to that broad definition, we wondered: Is 64-year-old Stephen Paddock the worst mass shooter in the long history of America? Does the Las Vegas incident qualify as the “deadliest” mass-shooting incident?

Only if you don’t count black people.

(snip)

The Bombing of Black Wall Street
On June 1, 1921, white rioters looted and burned the black area of Tulsa, Okla., known as Black Wall Street. Angry at the economic success of blacks in the area (the area became known as “Black Wall Street” because of the number of successful businesses and wealthy black inhabitants), white Tulsans accused a black man of raping a girl and attacked the area.

While white citizens used dynamite and planes to bomb the city, leaving more than 8,000 people homeless, eyewitness accounts charge that the vast majority of the people killed (estimates range from 80 to 300) died because the city’s law-enforcement officers deputized every able-bodied white man and handed out weapons from the city’s armory.


Bloody Island Massacre
In the mid-1800s, Charles Stone and Andre Kelsey began enslaving the Native American Pomo of Clearlake, Calif. They forced the Pomo to bring them their daughters for sexual pleasure. They killed the Pomo for trying to escape. They only “paid them” 4 cups of wheat per day. One day, two of the Pomo, Shuk and Xasis, went to look for more food, borrowing Stone and Kelsey’s horses. When it became apparent that they wouldn’t find food, the men knew that Stone and Kelsey would kill them if they found out that they had used their horses, so they killed Stone and Kelsey instead.

Capt. Nathaniel Lyon was searching for the men to punish them and brought soldiers and white civilians. When they found members of the Pomo tribe hiding on Bloody Island, near Clearlake, they slaughtered 60 of the island’s 400 inhabitants. On their way back, they killed another 75 on the Russia River for good measure.

Lyon was never disciplined.


Colfax Massacre
On April 13, 1873, black people in Colfax, La., began gathering at the courthouse and digging trenches. They were afraid that whites, disgruntled by Republican rule and a court decision that allowed blacks to vote, were about to attack. A civilian militia of angry white men surrounded the courthouse and convinced the blacks to hand in their weapons and surrender. The black citizens complied.

And that’s when the massacre started.

As many as 40 times more blacks were killed than whites. They invaded the courthouse and killed unarmed men. They hunted down women and children trying to hide in the surrounding woods. They dumped bodies in the river. They took 50 prisoners but later summarily killed them one by one. Historian Eric Foner called it “the bloodiest single instance of racial carnage in the Reconstruction era ... ”

At least 150 black citizens were killed. Three white men died. No one was ever convicted of a crime.


Thibodaux Massacre
In 1887 nearly 100,000 black sugar-plantation workers in Thibodaux, La., decided to protest their unfair treatment, low wages and the holding of workers’ wages until the end of the season, forcing them into a kind of indentured servitude.

In response, Judge Taylor Beattie, who owned a sugar plantation, declared martial law and paid a 300-man private militia to keep the peace. The militia ordered every black person in the city to show a pass or leave. The blacks who didn’t were rounded up with their families and executed. In all, between 35 and 100 blacks were killed. The count is not official because some bodies were burned.

No one was ever ... do I have to keep saying this?




From the comments:


Those only count as the worst if you ignore the Bear River, Oak Run, and Wounded Knee massacres though...

There does seem to be a common theme among the shooters though.


Good point to reflect upon: "There does seem to be a common theme among the shooters though."
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Las Vegas Is Only the Deadliest Shooting in US History Because They Dont Count Black Lives... (Original Post) NeoGreen Oct 2017 OP
or Native American lives... hlthe2b Oct 2017 #1
See the note at the bottom of the OP regarding comments to the original article... NeoGreen Oct 2017 #3
And OP did not count Wounded Knee,which was actually the deadliest shooting in the history of the US Not Ruth Oct 2017 #2
wounded knee? nt burnbaby Oct 2017 #22
I don't count mob killings in the modern mass shooter phenomenon. It is an entirely different issue. SweetieD Oct 2017 #4
I think that they're making a different distinction, though Orrex Oct 2017 #5
Right. n/t progressoid Oct 2017 #27
Glad we can ignore what happened Monday in favor of stuff 100 years ago nt Dreamer Tatum Oct 2017 #6
Are you serious? No one's ignoring anything, just getting the record straight. brush Oct 2017 #7
Were these done by a single shooter? jberryhill Oct 2017 #9
That's not the record at all. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2017 #10
The simple point being made is the tendency of the country and the media to ignore... brush Oct 2017 #14
"There does seem to be a common theme among the shooters though." WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #8
They bombed Tulsa with airplanes??? underpants Oct 2017 #11
I read about planes dropping bombs Wednesdays Oct 2017 #13
The Tulsa massacre is really ignored.... LisaM Oct 2017 #20
That's why they're often careful to say, "...in MODERN American history." Wednesdays Oct 2017 #12
They often use same terminology when talking about storms. 7962 Oct 2017 #25
Yes most of the large news outlets have been using the "modern" qualifier ToxMarz Oct 2017 #26
Thanks for the much needed reminder rurallib Oct 2017 #15
Amen.. HipChick Oct 2017 #16
Horrible. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #17
I don't believe these - "But these were greater (whatever)" serve the moment packman Oct 2017 #18
Projection by whites thbobby Oct 2017 #19
they specifically use burnbaby Oct 2017 #21
Huffpost Video LiberalArkie Oct 2017 #23
A lot of inconvenient history has gotten white washed IronLionZion Oct 2017 #24
K&R Solly Mack Oct 2017 #28
Kick underpants Oct 2017 #29

hlthe2b

(102,262 posts)
1. or Native American lives...
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 11:11 AM
Oct 2017

History is replete with massacres of Native people- Sand Creek, Wounded Knee and on and on...

NeoGreen

(4,031 posts)
3. See the note at the bottom of the OP regarding comments to the original article...
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 11:13 AM
Oct 2017

...it is the same observation you make and I highlighted it on purpose.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
2. And OP did not count Wounded Knee,which was actually the deadliest shooting in the history of the US
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 11:13 AM
Oct 2017

Disappointing

SweetieD

(1,660 posts)
4. I don't count mob killings in the modern mass shooter phenomenon. It is an entirely different issue.
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 11:19 AM
Oct 2017

Modern mass shootings are usually done by one or two people who do the shootings to inflict maximum casualties. Most of the times the victims are random.

Are these terrorist events? Yes. But I would not put them in the category of what happened in Vegas.


And as far as mob violence against blacks, the above are not even the worst events. 1919 was one of the worst years in US history as far as terrorism against black people. There was a mass casualty mob event in Arkansas that killed more than 200 people. I believe that was in 1919 or shortly thereafter.

Orrex

(63,209 posts)
5. I think that they're making a different distinction, though
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 11:23 AM
Oct 2017

Not disputing your numbers, which are horrifyingly correct, but when the press is ranking the worst mass shootings, they're generally referring to incidents committed by one person or a very small group, rather than by a 100+ mob or a military maneuver.

It's bullshit anyway, because they're simply trying to spin the mass shooting into the week into must-watch news.

So you are without question factually correct, in that history records numerous mass killings outnumbering the Vegas massacre, but in terms of a single shooter inflicting mass casualties, the current horror definitely ranks right up there.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
9. Were these done by a single shooter?
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 11:35 AM
Oct 2017

The Battle of Fredericksburg caused 13,000 Union casualties, if we are counting events in which more than one person was doing the shooting.

brush

(53,776 posts)
14. The simple point being made is the tendency of the country and the media to ignore...
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 11:52 AM
Oct 2017

Last edited Thu Oct 5, 2017, 12:58 PM - Edit history (1)

black and native American lives as these things are discussed when massacres into the hundreds of blacks and native Americans killed are all over American history.

Of course the single shooter aspect is there but the other counts should not be ignored in the reporting.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,337 posts)
8. "There does seem to be a common theme among the shooters though."
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 11:34 AM
Oct 2017

Not only were they white, but in many cases, they were the government.

Wednesdays

(17,367 posts)
13. I read about planes dropping bombs
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 11:51 AM
Oct 2017

World War I "Jenny" planes, also reported to have carried sharpshooters with rifles who fired down on the crowds. There was another report of an army-grade machine gun mounted on a nearby hill, firing into the neighborhood.

LisaM

(27,811 posts)
20. The Tulsa massacre is really ignored....
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 01:18 PM
Oct 2017

I don't think it's apples and oranges with the Las Vegas massacre, but I do think we should pay a lot more attention to all the violence in our history that we've glossed over because the victims weren't white.

Wednesdays

(17,367 posts)
12. That's why they're often careful to say, "...in MODERN American history."
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 11:46 AM
Oct 2017

Looks like the Modern Era in American history didn't start until sometime after World War II.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
25. They often use same terminology when talking about storms.
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 01:59 PM
Oct 2017

As well as when Hillary ran; first woman to run in "modern history"

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
18. I don't believe these - "But these were greater (whatever)" serve the moment
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 01:09 PM
Oct 2017

Not hiding anything under a historical bushel, but these type of posts serve. in my opinion, to defuse and cloud the moment we live in and how we need to address the issue of guns and the politics behind the L.V. incident.

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
19. Projection by whites
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 01:15 PM
Oct 2017

I don't really care about the semantic definition of a mass shooting.

Whites project white evil onto "others". The killings of blacks in the past by racist whites dwarfs any bullshit about black people being violent. And it continues today (i.e. Tamir Rice) as racist elements of police hunt and kill black people as animals and face no legal consequences.

There is a saying, "When you point your finger at someone, you have three pointing back at you."

Everything Trump accuses others of is a smokescreen for his own evil. He accuses Puerto Rico people of being lazy while he plays golf and lets them die.

GOP decries Voter Fraud while stealing the voting rights of minorities.

Fox news at a loss on how to report Las Vegas. "If only a Black, Hispanic, or Muslim had done it! We definitely know how to demonize them people!"

Look at almost any accusation of "others" by GOP. They have 3 fingers pointing at themselves.

IronLionZion

(45,439 posts)
24. A lot of inconvenient history has gotten white washed
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 01:35 PM
Oct 2017

to remind us whose lives matter. Similar nonsense was spewed after some whites believed terrorism started recently in the US only if they ignore centuries of white terror.

It's interesting how badly people want to distance themselves from those other people who are violent, bad, and dangerous. It's almost like people don't want to experience discrimination.

Even if it wasn't the deadliest shooting in our history, it is important to note that single shooter events are made more efficient through modern gun technology.

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