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murielm99
(31,237 posts)Thank you for posting, even if this gets removed. At least a few people here will see it.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)I think it needs to be said, it needs to be heard. In my opinion this was willfully throwing a wrench at ACA. It's his M.O
Eyeball_Kid
(7,548 posts)Other Dems were talking up a Single Payer/Medicare For All bill several weeks ago. Sanders isn't soloing on this. They all surmised that the repeal was dead. And it was, and likely still is. In the end, the GOP isn't going in on this. They'll do the same political calculations that they did with prior versions. They know that the US public will bury them if they actually vote to intentionally decrease the nation's quality of life. They're going to have to forego the fear that they might be primaried and do what's right. If GOPers are too lazy to defend themselves against a primary opponent, they probably shouldn't be in the political arena in the first place.
Sanders is right, and he's got a right to say what he wants. His listeners also can use discretion in deciding whether or not Sanders' statements resonate with them.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Sanders is a smart man, a political man, he knows exactly what he is doing. You know, Hillary is accused of not taking responsibility for her loss a lot. Sanders blames DWS, DNC. Rigged system, superdeleagtes, and everyone else. Not once have I heard him take responsibility for his loss. Why the double standard?
murielm99
(31,237 posts)is politically expedient. They know that hanging on to the ACA and improving it is our best choice. That is doing what is right.
Yes, his listeners can use discretion and they can state their disagreement with him if they choose. Democratic members of Congress are not being given that same choice. Democrats who do not endorse his ideas have been threatened with primaries. That is wrong and divisive.
pnwmom
(109,393 posts)announced their repeal bill --- and immediately people were distracted by discussions of single payer and away from discussions of how to save the ACA.
You have a lot more confidence in the GOP than most of us do. They are extremely close to passing this. They only need either Ron Paul or Lisa Murkowski to change their minds and we're toast.
And they figure by the time the worst stuff kicks in, none of their constituents will remember that it was their votes that got us into the ensuing mess.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)sheshe2
(86,216 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)A"Leninist".
jalan48
(14,157 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Senate Leadership's October Surprise. Single Payer has been gaining Signatures for over a month. And the GOP big money donors like the Koch Brothers,Walton's,and others wanted their Anti Obama Legislation passed before October,remember,any Tax cuts dealing with retro activity to 12/31/2016 are in major jeopardy and the Billionaire Class want their pound of flesh.
You spend a few hundred Million electing a band of Grifter's,you need your dividend.
melman
(7,681 posts)Calling him a Leninist and comparing him to Steve Fucking Bannon. And the post stays.
And to think people actually try to deny there's a double standard.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)I stated it as such. Yes, I do think he has wanted to destroy and cause chaos more than he ever tried to accomplish meaningful change. These are my thoughts. People can disagree or agree. I'm going by what I have seen from him through the years
melman
(7,681 posts)And it seems you've missed mine.
The point was that this OP, were it about anyone else, would have been instantly removed.
But because it's about who it's about...it stays. And people pretend there's no double standard.
dogman
(6,073 posts)You might upset the GOP?
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Strategic politics. C'mon.. You think we're going to get single payer right now? When GOP is in full control?
dogman
(6,073 posts)We need to inspire people to our cause, Bernie does that quite well. People here used to admire speaking truth to power. Submitting to their will will enhance their power. Resist!
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)I am not submitting to anyone. I am talking about timing and how a seasoned politician knows what he is doing.
safeinOhio
(33,634 posts)closest we've ever been. Thanks to the Repub plan.
Just my view.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)I just disagree with Bernie's way of getting there. I believe incremental change is the only way of getting there in this climate
betsuni
(27,123 posts)Response to Post removed (Original post)
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tonedevil
(3,022 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)No conspiracy here. He has on other occasions admitted to wanting to take votes from Dems.