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complimentary and integrative medicine.
This is something nobody else has brought up yet.
The 2012 NHIS showed that yoga, chiropractic and osteopathic manipulation, meditation, and massage therapy are among the most popular mind and body practices used by adults.
According to the Mayo Clinic website, complementary and integrative medicine may help people with cancer, persistent pain, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia and many other conditions.
This is pretty huge to say the least and would help millions of people right away. As far as I know, complimentary and integrative medicine isn't covered under the usual health insurance plans as they are a bit of the norm from mainsteam remedies.
Other practices that are considered complementary and integrative medicine that may be covered by Bernie Sanders new healthcare bill, which are recognized by the National Center for Complementary and Integrative Health include acupuncture, relaxation techniques, tai chi, qi gong, healing touch, hypnotherapy, movement therapies, Ayurvedic medicine, traditional Chinese medicine, homeopathy, and naturopathy.
Sanders bill would already cover conventional health services like inpatient and outpatient hospital care, inpatient prescription drugs, 24-hour-a-day emergency services, ambulatory services, primary services, preventative services, chronic disease management, prescription drugs, medical devices, biological products, mental health treatment, substance abuse treatment, laboratory services, diagnostic services, reproductive care, maternity care, newborn care, oral health services, audiology services, and vision services.
Sanders has been a long-time proponent of alternative medicine. In 1991, Sanders backed legislation that supported alternative health practices such as acupuncture and naturopathic remedies.
More here on it https://www.inquisitr.com/4486162/bernies-medicare-for-all-act-of-2017-would-even-cover-complementary-and-integrative-medicine/
delisen
(6,046 posts)He's on-board for saving the ACA from the Republican Hatchet-Attack.
Let's all get on-board.
John McCain, Susan Collins have turned tail and will vote to repeal ACA.
Lindsey Graham repeal bill is a vicious attack on insureds, especially in states regarded as blue. Will put ACA money in block grants so that Republican governors can squander money for health insurance on other projects.
They are determined to recreate a feudal society. and keep people in fear and want.
Our immediate concern is to beat back yet another disastrous Republican proposal to throw millions of people off health insurance and re-direct money to to the well-off and to pet projects.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Not to a DU post claiming he says it, but to the actual statement? Thanks!
delisen
(6,046 posts)I can't link to Bernie Sanders Twitter account.
Supposedly he tweeted that statement at 10:11 am on 17 September 2017
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I can access Sanders' Twitter feed and there's still no mention of the ACA whatsoever. The rather misleading implication is that it's his own health-insurance legislation that's in danger. But there's emphatically no defense of the ACA written or implied in Sanders' current Twitter feed.
Here's the link, easily searchable using Ctrl+F: https://twitter.com/SenSanders
countryjake
(8,554 posts)Link to tweet
"Our immediate concern is to beat back yet another disastrous Republican proposal to throw millions of people off health insurance. We have got to stay vigilant and informed about any attempts to destroy health care in this country."
along with a link to this Vox article:
Senate Republicans claim they are a few votes away from repealing Obamacare
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/15/16313888/senate-republicans-cassidy-graham-vote
Sen Sanders is doing the same thing today that all the rest of our senators and representatives who are in favor of Medicare for All are doing...opposing Trump and the rest of the rethugs' current efforts to repeal the ACA. The only people that I've seen questioning or condemning those members of Congress who are bravely standing for better healthcare in this country have been right-wingers.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And I don't know where you found the VOX link but it's not turning up in the welter of tweets and short-linked retweets accessed from the tweet you posted.
Facts, they matter.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)showing the Facebook post that Senator Sanders made this morning with that Vox article about the ACA. I'm not on Twitter or Facebook so cannot link to either, but a simple google search like I did should find both of them for you fairly easily.
Or, you can simply scroll down here at his FB page if you honestly wish to see his post about the ACA...yup, facts sure do matter, especially when the smearing of certain allies is underway.
https://www.facebook.com/senatorsanders/?hc_ref=ARSARHGTZrhcIHeIcKSoxANeAmqx5eI_NLa27WJCaSyz3gYYmS3xTTi2oYlQ-yOH8ik&fref=nf
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)That's revealing.
p.s. here's the link: https://twitter.com/SenSanders
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Bernie Sanders?Verified account @SenSanders 9h9 hours ago
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Our immediate concern is to beat back yet another disastrous Republican proposal to throw millions of people off health insurance.
That seems to be about the ACA since that is what thet Republicans are doing.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Props for persistence in trying this spin
"Our immediate concern"
first priority!
" is to beat back"
defeat
"yet another disastrous Republican proposal"
the Graham Cassidy bill that repeals and replaces the ACA
"to throw millions of people off health insurance"
ie, our current system - the ACA
Hope this helps. Imma just gonna copy this response and put it out there every time you continue trying to smear Bernie with this uhm, alternative fact that he isn't really referring to the ACA in this tweet. Carry on
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)And how powerfully his haters will distort the plain facts in front of their eyes
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)I'm on it though. Everyone sees right through this but now you're on my OCD radar
Good luck
mythology
(9,527 posts)It's obvious what he's referring to.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)anything to fix the ACA, and that simply fighting off a GOP plan isn't enough to really constitute trying to support and fix the ACA.
Nanjeanne
(5,003 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)The GOP excoriated us over that. Although it was actually a pretty good program. Mario Cuomo had implemented it in NY.
As for yoga in the health care plan, I can only imagine what the GOP will do with that one. It won't be pretty.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)because of the "opioid crisis", instead telling people with crippling pain from things like bone cancer to suck it up and do yoga-
this is probably a good thing.
Silent3
(15,397 posts)...covering anything but proven evidence-based medicine. Not woo. Not endless variations on the placebo effect, and certainly not the stuff that worse than a mere placebo.
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)Having been deathly ill, literally, I support his measure
Lars39
(26,117 posts)Not everything listed is woo.
Silent3
(15,397 posts)The evidence isn't there for a lot of stuff, however, that falls under the label "alternative medicine".
In fact, once something has been sufficiently proven to be safe and effective, you can generally drop the word "alternative" and just call it "medicine".
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Silent3
(15,397 posts)...to work as a placebo. It's no more special than that.
I'm fine with marijuana being used where it's effective (but I don't buy that it's the miracle cure-all that too many people treat it as).
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Lars39
(26,117 posts)Helped tremendously. Lots of studies being done now concerning health benefits of yoga.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)jmowreader
(50,567 posts)I do NOT want my tax dollars going to fucking homeopaths. If he wants to spend tax money on water, there are a lot of municipal water systems in this country that need revitalization.
JI7
(89,281 posts)and you know how much money this scam industry makes.
i would not support any health care plan that goes toward this bs.
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)who is responsible for the opioid crisis?
jmowreader
(50,567 posts)The solution to the opioid crisis is to deal with the opioid crisis. It is not to give government money to homeopaths.
The most popular homeopathic preparation on the market is Oscillococcinum, which is made in France and is sol to cure the flu. (The manufacturer claims it will cure everything, but they only advertise it for flu.) This is how to make it.
Get a one-liter sealable container. Pour into it one liter of pancreatic juice mixed with glucose.
Purchase a live Muscovy duck. Behead it and remove the heart and liver. Place 35 grams of the liver and 15 of the heart in the container with the juice, and leave it on the shelf for exactly 40 days.
At the end of the aging period, add one milliliter of this goop to 99 milliliters of water. Close the lid and succuss, or repeatedly thump against the table. (This step is so important that one homeopathy company made a machine that succusses exactly like its founder did.)
At this point you are thinking, "this won't cure anything." You are correct but we are not done yet. Dump the contents down the sink and fill the container back up with water, then succuss again. Repeat until you have gone through 200 dilutions. Then put one drop on a sugar pill and sell for a dollar a tablet.
Your opinion of the pharmaceutical industry, which makes many products that work fine, will not in any way change the fact that homeopathy is quackery beyond the wildest dreams of the sleaziest traveling medicine show. And so is naturopathy, chiropractic, reiki, and the rest of the woo Sanders believes in. The only reason he doesn't like leeches is there are conditions leechesactually cure.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Homeopathy shouldn't be covered.
But also if he wants to cover all of these other things, that's all the more reason he needs to be specific about how he plans to fund this. So far, he hasn't been.
pnwmom
(109,015 posts)JI7
(89,281 posts)CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)Acupuncture, yoga, et al help greatly. Add in marijuana and away we go!
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,472 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,472 posts)LexVegas
(6,120 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Making the numbers work in reality is another thing entirely.
And Homeopathy? Why not faith healing, for all of the science they both have behind them....