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CherokeeFiddle

(297 posts)
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 11:06 AM Sep 2017

Bernie's single payer plan even covers....

complimentary and integrative medicine.
This is something nobody else has brought up yet.

“The 2012 NHIS showed that yoga, chiropractic and osteopathic manipulation, meditation, and massage therapy are among the most popular mind and body practices used by adults.”

According to the Mayo Clinic website, complementary and integrative medicine may help people with “cancer, persistent pain, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia and many other conditions.”

This is pretty huge to say the least and would help millions of people right away. As far as I know, complimentary and integrative medicine isn't covered under the usual health insurance plans as they are a bit of the norm from mainsteam remedies.

Senator Bernie Sanders introduced his new Medicare for All Act in the U.S. Senate on Wednesday. Within the text of the bill, there is a provision covering complementary and integrative medicine. The National Institute of Health maintains the National Center for Complementary and Integrative Health, which states that “more than 30 percent of adults and about 12 percent of children—use health care approaches developed outside of mainstream Western, or conventional, medicine.” Bernie’s new Medicare for All Act would help improve access to these unconventional products and services.


Other practices that are considered complementary and integrative medicine that may be covered by Bernie Sanders’ new healthcare bill, which are recognized by the National Center for Complementary and Integrative Health include acupuncture, relaxation techniques, tai chi, qi gong, healing touch, hypnotherapy, movement therapies, Ayurvedic medicine, traditional Chinese medicine, homeopathy, and naturopathy.

Sanders’ bill would already cover conventional health services like inpatient and outpatient hospital care, inpatient prescription drugs, 24-hour-a-day emergency services, ambulatory services, primary services, preventative services, chronic disease management, prescription drugs, medical devices, biological products, mental health treatment, substance abuse treatment, laboratory services, diagnostic services, reproductive care, maternity care, newborn care, oral health services, audiology services, and vision services.

Sanders has been a long-time proponent of alternative medicine. In 1991, Sanders backed legislation that supported alternative health practices such as acupuncture and naturopathic remedies.

More here on it https://www.inquisitr.com/4486162/bernies-medicare-for-all-act-of-2017-would-even-cover-complementary-and-integrative-medicine/
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Bernie's single payer plan even covers.... (Original Post) CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 OP
Sanders Immediate Concern is to Save ACA delisen Sep 2017 #1
Can you link to a recent statement where Sanders says his immediate concern is to save the ACA? ucrdem Sep 2017 #2
Have I been taken in by fake New on DU? delisen Sep 2017 #4
That is my strong impression, yes. ucrdem Sep 2017 #8
His statement was found on both Twitter & Facebook... countryjake Sep 2017 #5
So no mention of the ACA but tweet after tweet pushing his own legislation. ucrdem Sep 2017 #6
Sorry you're unable to decipher the excerpt I posted... countryjake Sep 2017 #10
I read it. Facebook isn't Twitter and there's not a word about ACA in his Twitter feed. ucrdem Sep 2017 #11
I follow Bernie and I see it on his Twitter feed. Autumn Sep 2017 #17
Lol! Cracks me up. So Sanders' reference to the latest effort to repeal and replace the ACA isnt tha Arazi Sep 2017 #12
He doesn't mention or defend the ACA, no. Not once. Not in his current Twitter feed. ucrdem Sep 2017 #13
Keep on kicking this. Exposes how deep the Bernie hatred goes Arazi Sep 2017 #16
I'm not claiming he says something he doesn't, and he says nothing about ACA in his Twitter feed. ucrdem Sep 2017 #18
He does, and it is. Lol. So obvious Arazi Sep 2017 #21
That is an incredibly pedantic argument mythology Sep 2017 #22
Seriously... (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #39
Sure here you go CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #14
That's fighting the repeal. So many DU posts say that dems aren't really doing ehrnst Sep 2017 #40
He said it on Meet the Press n Sunday. Video is around. I watched it live. Nanjeanne Sep 2017 #42
I am suddenly having flashbacks to midnight basketball in the 1994 crime bill. StevieM Sep 2017 #3
Well, given that our nation's drug warriors want to eliminate all prescription pain management Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #7
I don't want my tax dollars... Silent3 Sep 2017 #9
I support alternative medicine CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #15
Yoga helps lymphedema. Lars39 Sep 2017 #19
I'm fine paying for it if the evidence is there. Silent3 Sep 2017 #24
Acupuncture and marijuana are proven and alternative Not Ruth Sep 2017 #27
Acupuncture is only proven... Silent3 Sep 2017 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #36
Finished participating in a yoga study a few months ago. Lars39 Sep 2017 #30
Big fan of acupuncture here, it works. Autumn Sep 2017 #26
No. A thousand times no. jmowreader Sep 2017 #20
agree, the idiots with their healing stones and other shit will be in line to get the tax dollars, JI7 Sep 2017 #31
But you want your tax dollars going to big pharma CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #32
Many of the things Big Pharma makes actually work jmowreader Sep 2017 #43
I'm fine with it covering anything that can be scientifically shown to be useful mythology Sep 2017 #23
How nice. And the chance of his plan being passed AS IS is about 1%. Or maybe less. n/t pnwmom Sep 2017 #25
Fuck No. JI7 Sep 2017 #28
Hell yes! :) CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #33
Homeopathy? Bye. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #34
Oooh - how about faith healing? Or counseling by psychic? Just as scientifically sound. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #38
Exactly. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #41
... LexVegas Sep 2017 #35
As long as it isn't yet a reality, anything could possibly be covered. ehrnst Sep 2017 #37
AWESOME! I'll setup shop as soon as this passes an start making some big bucks snooper2 Sep 2017 #44
Good thing there is no plans to actually pass this JI7 Sep 2017 #45

delisen

(6,046 posts)
1. Sanders Immediate Concern is to Save ACA
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 06:15 PM
Sep 2017

He's on-board for saving the ACA from the Republican Hatchet-Attack.
Let's all get on-board.

John McCain, Susan Collins have turned tail and will vote to repeal ACA.

Lindsey Graham repeal bill is a vicious attack on insureds, especially in states regarded as blue. Will put ACA money in block grants so that Republican governors can squander money for health insurance on other projects.

They are determined to recreate a feudal society. and keep people in fear and want.

Our immediate concern is to beat back yet another disastrous Republican proposal to throw millions of people off health insurance and re-direct money to to the well-off and to pet projects.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
2. Can you link to a recent statement where Sanders says his immediate concern is to save the ACA?
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 06:18 PM
Sep 2017

Not to a DU post claiming he says it, but to the actual statement? Thanks!

delisen

(6,046 posts)
4. Have I been taken in by fake New on DU?
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 06:53 PM
Sep 2017

I can't link to Bernie Sanders Twitter account.

Supposedly he tweeted that statement at 10:11 am on 17 September 2017

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
8. That is my strong impression, yes.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:15 PM
Sep 2017

I can access Sanders' Twitter feed and there's still no mention of the ACA whatsoever. The rather misleading implication is that it's his own health-insurance legislation that's in danger. But there's emphatically no defense of the ACA written or implied in Sanders' current Twitter feed.

Here's the link, easily searchable using Ctrl+F: https://twitter.com/SenSanders

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
5. His statement was found on both Twitter & Facebook...
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:03 PM
Sep 2017




He made this post at Facebook:
"Our immediate concern is to beat back yet another disastrous Republican proposal to throw millions of people off health insurance. We have got to stay vigilant and informed about any attempts to destroy health care in this country."

along with a link to this Vox article:
Senate Republicans claim they are a few votes away from repealing Obamacare
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/15/16313888/senate-republicans-cassidy-graham-vote



Sen Sanders is doing the same thing today that all the rest of our senators and representatives who are in favor of Medicare for All are doing...opposing Trump and the rest of the rethugs' current efforts to repeal the ACA. The only people that I've seen questioning or condemning those members of Congress who are bravely standing for better healthcare in this country have been right-wingers.







ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
6. So no mention of the ACA but tweet after tweet pushing his own legislation.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:10 PM
Sep 2017

And I don't know where you found the VOX link but it's not turning up in the welter of tweets and short-linked retweets accessed from the tweet you posted.

Facts, they matter.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
10. Sorry you're unable to decipher the excerpt I posted...
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:29 PM
Sep 2017

showing the Facebook post that Senator Sanders made this morning with that Vox article about the ACA. I'm not on Twitter or Facebook so cannot link to either, but a simple google search like I did should find both of them for you fairly easily.

Or, you can simply scroll down here at his FB page if you honestly wish to see his post about the ACA...yup, facts sure do matter, especially when the smearing of certain allies is underway.

https://www.facebook.com/senatorsanders/?hc_ref=ARSARHGTZrhcIHeIcKSoxANeAmqx5eI_NLa27WJCaSyz3gYYmS3xTTi2oYlQ-yOH8ik&fref=nf

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
11. I read it. Facebook isn't Twitter and there's not a word about ACA in his Twitter feed.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:30 PM
Sep 2017

That's revealing.

p.s. here's the link: https://twitter.com/SenSanders

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
17. I follow Bernie and I see it on his Twitter feed.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:39 PM
Sep 2017

Bernie Sanders?Verified account @SenSanders 9h9 hours ago
More
Our immediate concern is to beat back yet another disastrous Republican proposal to throw millions of people off health insurance.

That seems to be about the ACA since that is what thet Republicans are doing.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
12. Lol! Cracks me up. So Sanders' reference to the latest effort to repeal and replace the ACA isnt tha
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:33 PM
Sep 2017

Props for persistence in trying this spin

"Our immediate concern"

first priority!

" is to beat back"

defeat

"yet another disastrous Republican proposal"

the Graham Cassidy bill that repeals and replaces the ACA

"to throw millions of people off health insurance"

ie, our current system - the ACA

Hope this helps. Imma just gonna copy this response and put it out there every time you continue trying to smear Bernie with this uhm, alternative fact that he isn't really referring to the ACA in this tweet. Carry on

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
13. He doesn't mention or defend the ACA, no. Not once. Not in his current Twitter feed.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:35 PM
Sep 2017
https://twitter.com/SenSanders

There might be explanations but that's the way it is.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
16. Keep on kicking this. Exposes how deep the Bernie hatred goes
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:39 PM
Sep 2017

And how powerfully his haters will distort the plain facts in front of their eyes

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
18. I'm not claiming he says something he doesn't, and he says nothing about ACA in his Twitter feed.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:42 PM
Sep 2017
https://twitter.com/SenSanders

It's not personal.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
21. He does, and it is. Lol. So obvious
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 08:04 PM
Sep 2017


I'm on it though. Everyone sees right through this but now you're on my OCD radar

Good luck
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
40. That's fighting the repeal. So many DU posts say that dems aren't really doing
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 09:34 AM
Sep 2017

anything to fix the ACA, and that simply fighting off a GOP plan isn't enough to really constitute trying to support and fix the ACA.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
3. I am suddenly having flashbacks to midnight basketball in the 1994 crime bill.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 06:23 PM
Sep 2017

The GOP excoriated us over that. Although it was actually a pretty good program. Mario Cuomo had implemented it in NY.

As for yoga in the health care plan, I can only imagine what the GOP will do with that one. It won't be pretty.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
7. Well, given that our nation's drug warriors want to eliminate all prescription pain management
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:12 PM
Sep 2017

because of the "opioid crisis", instead telling people with crippling pain from things like bone cancer to suck it up and do yoga-

this is probably a good thing.

Silent3

(15,397 posts)
9. I don't want my tax dollars...
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:15 PM
Sep 2017

...covering anything but proven evidence-based medicine. Not woo. Not endless variations on the placebo effect, and certainly not the stuff that worse than a mere placebo.

Silent3

(15,397 posts)
24. I'm fine paying for it if the evidence is there.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 08:26 PM
Sep 2017

The evidence isn't there for a lot of stuff, however, that falls under the label "alternative medicine".

In fact, once something has been sufficiently proven to be safe and effective, you can generally drop the word "alternative" and just call it "medicine".

Silent3

(15,397 posts)
29. Acupuncture is only proven...
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 09:17 PM
Sep 2017

...to work as a placebo. It's no more special than that.

I'm fine with marijuana being used where it's effective (but I don't buy that it's the miracle cure-all that too many people treat it as).

Response to Silent3 (Reply #29)

Lars39

(26,117 posts)
30. Finished participating in a yoga study a few months ago.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 09:50 PM
Sep 2017

Helped tremendously. Lots of studies being done now concerning health benefits of yoga.

jmowreader

(50,567 posts)
20. No. A thousand times no.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 08:01 PM
Sep 2017

I do NOT want my tax dollars going to fucking homeopaths. If he wants to spend tax money on water, there are a lot of municipal water systems in this country that need revitalization.

JI7

(89,281 posts)
31. agree, the idiots with their healing stones and other shit will be in line to get the tax dollars,
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 11:26 PM
Sep 2017

and you know how much money this scam industry makes.

i would not support any health care plan that goes toward this bs.

jmowreader

(50,567 posts)
43. Many of the things Big Pharma makes actually work
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 02:08 PM
Sep 2017

The solution to the opioid crisis is to deal with the opioid crisis. It is not to give government money to homeopaths.

The most popular homeopathic preparation on the market is Oscillococcinum, which is made in France and is sol to cure the flu. (The manufacturer claims it will cure everything, but they only advertise it for flu.) This is how to make it.

Get a one-liter sealable container. Pour into it one liter of pancreatic juice mixed with glucose.

Purchase a live Muscovy duck. Behead it and remove the heart and liver. Place 35 grams of the liver and 15 of the heart in the container with the juice, and leave it on the shelf for exactly 40 days.

At the end of the aging period, add one milliliter of this goop to 99 milliliters of water. Close the lid and succuss, or repeatedly thump against the table. (This step is so important that one homeopathy company made a machine that succusses exactly like its founder did.)

At this point you are thinking, "this won't cure anything." You are correct but we are not done yet. Dump the contents down the sink and fill the container back up with water, then succuss again. Repeat until you have gone through 200 dilutions. Then put one drop on a sugar pill and sell for a dollar a tablet.

Your opinion of the pharmaceutical industry, which makes many products that work fine, will not in any way change the fact that homeopathy is quackery beyond the wildest dreams of the sleaziest traveling medicine show. And so is naturopathy, chiropractic, reiki, and the rest of the woo Sanders believes in. The only reason he doesn't like leeches is there are conditions leechesactually cure.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
23. I'm fine with it covering anything that can be scientifically shown to be useful
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 08:11 PM
Sep 2017

Homeopathy shouldn't be covered.

But also if he wants to cover all of these other things, that's all the more reason he needs to be specific about how he plans to fund this. So far, he hasn't been.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
37. As long as it isn't yet a reality, anything could possibly be covered.
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 09:29 AM
Sep 2017

Making the numbers work in reality is another thing entirely.

And Homeopathy? Why not faith healing, for all of the science they both have behind them....

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