General lack of concern over the latest GOP ACA senate repeal

[brokephibroke]

The repeal effort is alive and kicking without much pushback from our side. They are at it again, we all need to get engaged again. Quickly.

[ZX86]

1. I'm supporting Bernie's Medicare for All bill.

What are you doing?

[brokephibroke]

3. Raising the alarm

50 votes for repeal means we all lose.

[nini]

5. will that stop them from killing the ACA now?

?

[ZX86]

7. I'm laser focused on single payer Medicare for All.

Millions upon millions of Americans are suffering and dying right now with out health care or health care so expensive they can't afford to use it. Little old ladies are cutting their pills in half because they can't afford prescriptions. Will the ACA help them now? Tomorrow?

The ACA is better than nothing but better than nothing is not good enough.

[Ninsianna]

11. Actually the uninsured rate is down to a historic low, and millions

and millions of Americans are on ACA and NEED it.

The ACA is helping them now, if you take it away millions and milliions will be suffering and dying because you let their care be taken away, Bernie's plan isn't law now and if by some miracle it passed, it wouldn't be in effect for years.

The ACA is what people have NOW. It's what the GOP is trying to take away NOW.

[ZX86]

14. To be clear the ACA is what millions upon millions of people don't have NOW.

And many of those that do can't afford to use it. NOW.

[Ninsianna]

15. To be clear, removing what people have right now, by failing to stop the GOP

from repealing, would be removing the ACA and creating millions upon millions of MORE people who don't have any sort of coverage.

My point stands: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/14/the-rate-of-uninsured-americans-hits-a-record-low-as-obamacares-future-remains-a-question-mark.html

Backing a plan that won't make it out of committee and wouldn't go into effect for years would do nothing at all to help those millions, that's why only backing Bernie is a purity thing that only the privileged who don't really care about people suffering NOW would do.

Pick up a phone and stop pooping on the only thing that millions upon millions of people have now. Many of whom didn't have anything before, stop letting the good be the enemy of the perfect. (Which medicare for all is not by any stretch of the imagine is not either.)

[ZX86]

19. Reducing millions upon millions of Americans sick and dying right now

to a catch phrase like "a purity thing" is callous and short sighted. The best defense is an aggressive offense. The GOP will fight the ACA just as hard as they will fight single payer Medicare for All.

I want the health care problem solved. Not endless half measures that have to fought and re-fought over and over.

[Ninsianna]

22. Actually ignoring millions upon millions of sick and dying Americans who are

covered right now and would not be if ACA is repleaed is indeed a purity thing, it's short sighted and callous to ignore those people who the ACA is currently helping.

Aggressive offense is not solely backing a plan that doesn't stand a chance of getting out of committee, has no shot in this congress and wouldn't even be implemented for years. The GOP attacking the ACA are also attacking those millions upon millions of Americans who HAVE access to care right now, those are the people who will also be highly suspicious of the Medicare for all Bill, because they know medicare is, that it's not single payer and that no one knows how it might even be implemented.

So why attack those millions upon millions of Americans who rely on the care they have now, to fail to defend their care to ONLY support a single Senator who hasn't written a bill that is strong or well planned out?

It's short sighted and callous to put purity and to cheerlead a favorite politician rather than help defend a law that's ALREADY meeting the needs of millions upon millions, because it's not pure enough to suit the tastes of those who are not affected.

I want the healthcare problem solved to, but it's ludicrous to think there is only one solution, and that one that that has no chance to pass, and isn't even being debated or scored yet. Endless slogans with zero planning to address the complicated mess that is the healthcare system in the US doesn't help anyone.

Ignoring the immediate needs of those who have care and will be suffering and dying once again while people have purity debates about esoteric topics without addressing the harsh reality, is pretty heartless. It comes from a place of privilege and ignorance.

The plan needs to be better and one cannot let the cult of identity blind one to the effects of failing to recognize the effects on actual people right now, in the near future and 3 years from now.

[Squinch]

34. Ah, yes. The old, "Sacrifice the well being of millions who benefit from the current plan

in the hopes of something better" gambit.

So empathetic. So sensible.

[Demsrule86]

46. They think if the do this ...that the people will rise up...and the single payer revolution

will happen, but it won't. People will die. How entitled do you have to be to send people to their deaths for ideology?

[Squinch]

106. Pretty damn entitled, and/or the motivation is simply to get the ACA repealed.

[Demsrule86]

108. I can think of no other explanation for putting out this bill at this moment.

And it makes me sick.

[Demsrule86]

67. Well that is not true..and nothing is certainly not better.

The ACA can be fixed...much easier than enacting a new bill ...single payer or otherwise....it will never happen.

[nini]

12. The ACA is more likely to help now that a new plan that will take a lot of time

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I'm for single payer but it's not going to help those folks either right now.

We can't get rid of what we have BEFORE the other is ready.

We have to protect one and fight for the other.

[pnwmom]

18. Then you're shooting that laser at your own head.

Right now, in the next two weeks, the GOP is making a last ditch effort to kill the ACA.

If the ACA is repealed, that will support the GOP claim that people aren't interested in national health insurance.

This will REDUCE the chance of Bernie's bill, or anything like it, ever getting passed.

If we can keep the ACA, we can build on that success. If they destroy ACA, they're making it that much more unlikely that single payer will ever get through ANY Congress.

Put your laser focus on saving the ACA for the next two weeks. If we can save the ACA, then we can all shift to pushing for single payer.

ON EDIT:

Little old ladies are getting their medications paid for through Medicare. The ACA included measures for reducing the "donut hole" in Medicare drug coverage, and it is slated to be eliminated completely in two years -- IF the ACA isn't repealed.

And if this new ACA repeal is approved, far more will suffer than are suffering now. Not only will it end the Medicaid expansion -- it will drastically cut Medicaid overall (pre-expansion). It will affect everyone from nursing home residents to babies and everyone in between. You clearly have no idea how horrendous this ACA repeal bill is. It does FAR MORE than simply repeal Obamacare. It strikes at the heart of our Medicaid and Medicare system.

[Demsrule86]

47. Medicaid would be block granted under this bill. And money taken from sates that

expanded Medicaid and given to states like WVA as bribes...terrible. Thousands will die. I wonder who will be blamed?

[Ms. Toad]

24. My daughter won't live for Medicare for All.

Are you volunteering to pay the $60,000 - $100,000 in health care my daughter racks up in the years it will take to get to Medicare for All? How about all of the other folks in similar situations?

If you're not volunteering to pay, then please get out of your fantasy world for the next 2 weeks and help stop them from repealing the ACA between now and when Medicare for All has passed. Your efforts during the next two weeks are pretty much irrelevant to whether Medicare for all will pass. They are critical to keeping the ACA in place until then.

[Demsrule86]

73. The ACA saved my daughter's life too. I am so angry with those who thought a single payer

bill was a good idea ( at this moment with the ACA endangered) and those who seem perfectly willing to sacrifice real insurance that saves lives for pie in the sky that will never happen. If we lose the ACA, we are a years away from any replacement. And the complete disregard for real people like your daughter is shocking

[Demsrule86]

42. It won't happen...maybe ever. And if the ACA goes the only vehicle that could have made it possible

is gone.

[WhiteTara]

80. It's hard to understand the illogic

of so many people.

[Demsrule86]

93. I know it. You don't know what you have until you lose it. If this bill passes we lose Medicaid

as well as the ACA. And these folks claim to be on our side...sure.

[WhiteTara]

99. It seems impossible to reach beyond that ignorance

of reality to make any sort of move toward the evolution of the species. They forever want to drag us all to hell.

Perhaps this is our collective generational karma?

[Demsrule86]

101. I have no idea how ideology trumps living breathing people.

[WhiteTara]

104. Your heart has to be very hard. nt

[Demsrule86]

55. Nothing is what you will get.

[Tanuki]

65. Please explain how sitting back and allowing the GOP to repeal the ACA

would help those "little old ladies cutting pills in half." Little old ladies (and gentlemen) are on Medicare, which by GOP law cannot negotiate drug prices with pharma companies. Maybe you'd like to lobby your lawmakers to change that, if you really care about the issue. I assure you that pharma is deploying lobbying personnel and widespread campaign contributions to make sure the current policy remains in place. Btw, although the person in your example is a beneficiary of Medicare and not an ACA policy, the current ACA helps support and extend the long-term solvency of Medicare.

I don't know why you seem to think that fighting the imminent repeal of the ACA and working for universal healthcare are mutually exclusive. Many of us who are actually involved in this do both. I am getting ready to spend my Saturday doing this, instead of hanging out on the internet pretending to be "laser focused" while tens of millions of people stand to lose their health care if the GOP can flip a vote or two in the Senate:
http://www.thcc2.org/conference/

[WhiteTara]

79. Are you in Congress?

[yardwork]

91. What are you doing to get Medicare for all passed?

[Demsrule86]

102. It is impossible to pass Medicare for all at the moment...a better question is who is trying to

save the ACA and how...people will take notice if the ACA goes down, and it may.

[yardwork]

103. I know that. That's why I'm asking the poster what they're doing.

[Ninsianna]

10. How's that helping to fight the GOP who are working to take away the ACA

that is providing access to care for people right now?

Supporting a bill that won't make it out of committee is doing diddly squat, pick up a phone call Congress and do something that isn't about personal purity.

[Demsrule86]

43. Yep...these folks don't seem to care.

[pnwmom]

17. That's what they want -- for us to be distracted with Bernie's bill while they kill the ACA.

It's a stupid thing for us to do. Bernie's bill can wait a few weeks -- fighting this bill NOW is essential.

[ucrdem]

20. Off they go

When, lo, as they reached the mountain-side,
A wondrous portal opened wide,
As if a cavern was suddenly hollowed;
And the Piper advanced and the children followed,
And when all were in to the very last,
The door in the mountain-side shut fast. . . .



sigh

[moda253]

82. Dumbest thing on the internet.

I don't mean to be a jerk but this really is the dumbest thing I will likely read today. Be focused on a bill that will never even see the floor but not willing to work for a plan that we need a couple votes for to keep millions on with healthcare.

Wow. Just Wow!

[ucrdem]

97. Yes we had this same "conversation" in 2015-16.

We're not supposed to discuss it but I think it's safe to point out that it didn't end well.

[ZX86]

21. Fighting to save the ACA is unrealistic.

We don't have the votes. We have to wait until we have a majority. We have to get Democrats elected first. People who have health emergencies can't wait for us to have a theoretical debate about saving some health care plan that will never, ever come to pass.

[pnwmom]

23. ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? The person who is "laser focused" on single payer says fighting to save

the ACA is unrealistic?????

NO IT IS NOT.

The huge reaction they got to the other repeal attempts -- the reaction by people just like you and just like me -- is what kept them from getting the required 50 votes.

We need to repeat that strategy right now. All we have to do is keep the same three who've been against most of the other bills -- Rand Paul (who says he's voting against this), Lisa Murkowski, and Susan Collins.

Defeating this bill is a realistic -- and critically important -- possibility. Focusing on single-payer while the ACA gets killed is idiocy.

[Ms. Toad]

25. The ACA is here, now. We need one or two votes - at most -

to keep it in place. You're right - people like my daughter who have health emergencies each and every year - to the tune of $60,000 to 100,000, cannot afford a theoretical debate about Medicare for All. They need the reality of the ACA NOW to keep them alive.

[Doreen]

31. If fighting was unrealistic then we would

not have been able to keep it from passing the last few times they tried.

[Squinch]

35. Wow.

[Demsrule86]

45. Unlike single payer even red state voters like the ACA.

And we have a shot at saving it. We have no shot at single payer. In fact, if we lose the ACA, we will never have single payer. You see awful cavalier about seeing millions lose their health and God knows how many will die.

[MrsCoffee]

70. Did you mean to say ACA?

Because you are talking completely upside down and backwards. ACA has already come to pass and is current law.

Your post only makes sense if you change it to "Fighting to pass Medicare for All is unrealistic" for all the reason you list and then some.

How the hell did you twist that up?

[still_one]

44. Because of what happened in 2016, Medicare for all is off the table for at least four

years and probably longer. In other words, "Bernie's bill" isn't going anywhere for the next four years.

[Demsrule86]

48. If the ACA goes down Sen. Sanders and maybe even some Dems who supported the single payer bill

will be blamed.

[still_one]

54. I won't go that far. What I will say though is it has the potential to distract people from calling

their representative and Senators to prevent the ACA from being repealed, and from reading a few of the comments in this tread, it seems that some are willing to throw the baby out with the bath water so to speak.

I think most folks here know what is up, and are not going to be swayed by something that is on hold for four years or more

[Demsrule86]

63. I will be calling and calling...but it was McCain who saved us last time...and he is voting for the

bill. I will say. If we lose the ACA...I don't think, I can ever forgive those who introduced a single payer bill at this time. They had to have known what Lindsey Graham was up to.

[still_one]

68. Hopefully, most of us will follow your lead and call our Senators to prevent the ACA from being

repealed

[Demsrule86]

75. The DC number has been posted..but bribery is involved...

I will do what I can. I won't have the death of thousands on my conscience.

[still_one]

89. There is also a real possibility that the medical organizaions are going to be lobbying very hard

to try to influence Congress not to repeal the ACA. They did it the first time, and I suspect they will do it again this time.

It is going to be very close

[Demsrule86]

92. I am sure they will but, don't know how effective it will be...consider we won by one

vote last time...now McCain is saying he will vote for his pal's bill...and the others are being bribed.

[Sunlei]

71. Good to make a phone call! Gov keeps track of phone calls and calls make a HUGE difference.

[Demsrule86]

77. I agree...we don't know how many would have vote against the bill last time since McCain

spared them from doing so...but this feels really bad.

[treestar]

74. [phone]

[Demsrule86]

41. I see...support a bill that can't pass while thousands lose their healthcare when the only

bill that can be saved is allowed to die...thousands will die...but hey a big who cares? sarcasm

[LyndaG]

100. This

[WhiteTara]

78. That won't pass and will be vetoed if it does

and what we have right now needs to be protected. You know the old saying. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

[lastlib]

86. Put it on hold for now.

Get into this fight; this is now. This is the issue we need to deal with. Crush this, and then we can get back to Bernie's plan.

[calimary]

2. We talked about it in Dianne Feinstein's office when our Indivisible group held our meeting there

today. That was one of our three big "asks." But EVERYBODY needs to jump in on this. Her State Director, with whom we met, told us that the most effective thing we can do is make a big noise about it. Nag, call, write, and then nag, call, and write AGAIN - to make sure they know. This was the main instruction for a slew of measures about which we voiced concern. Keep making noise about it.

[BigmanPigman]

4. I have posted it over 5 times on DU since Tues night.

I was on a conference call with Congresswoman Barbara Lee (CA) Tues night and have been posting it in many forums and groups as well as listing the number over and over. [phone]. I am so sick (no pun) over this BS over and over and over. I have called all 100 senators three times each and over100 congressmen since Jan. I get addresses from Zillow from every state so the staffers will think I am a constituent. I have 4 manilla envelopes crammed full with notes and documentation of all of the bills, procedures, names, etc. I know Pelosi wasn't going 100% ahead supporting single payer since she wanted the focus to be on this.

Thank you and all the Indivisible people as well as all of the other individuals and groups who are trying to stop these greedy socipaths.

The GOP needs a win badly and McConnell has been busy buying votes. McCain (TRAITOR), Heller and Collins have been saying they are going to support this. I knew back in July not to be buy their BS. I knew they would pull this up until the calendar expired. I HATE THEM GOP!!!!!!!!!

[ucrdem]

6. Yeah sneaky is what they do best.

Good on you for fighting the good fight.

[Ninsianna]

9. Thank you for doing the actual damned work to fight the GOP and help

Americans. All the swooning over dreamboats is well and good, but it's not helping anyone who is currently in danger of losing access to care that's needed NOW.

[smirkymonkey]

33. Thank you for all your hard work!

Well done.

[Demsrule86]

59. I didn't see your posts. Hubs is looking for a job and we have been in and out. But I heard it

on Chris Hayes last night and when I heard how it would be done...the bribing of Senators with blue state medicaid money, opening up the donut hole and block granting Medicaid...my blood ran cold.

[Demsrule86]

49. Sen. and Sanders and the Democrats should have advanced a bill to save the ACA. I hope we can save.

I just feel they played right into Republican hands...and many on this site warned when the single payer bill was first mentioned...one time I don't want to be right.

[Ninsianna]

8. It's not a lack of concern, it's just distraction with another bill which has

no chance in this congress. People are busy attacking everyone over it, and the distraction that everyone knew it would cause is taking effect.

These attacks on ACA harm people right now, and we need to get out there call people and haunt their offices yet again. This is why people were saying this isn't the time for this bill.

[Hulk]

13. We need to recognize killing the ACA is political suicide for these heartless jackals

My Senators are ALL opposed...Washington and Oregon. These shit breathing low life sons of bitches are playing with fire to even bring this shit-cake out into the open again.

Shine light on these dispicable bastards so it carries over to the 2018 20 election cycle!

[ucrdem]

16. You can't kill the undead.

They know no shame. They can be defeated at the polls, and you might be right about that, but it would be a Pyhrric victory to regain the House and/or Senate on account of losing the ACA. The particular circumstances that converged at its creation won't repeat anytime soon and once insurers get their claws on Trumpcare they'll make sure it afflicts us forever.

[Hulk]

32. Nobody is accepting defeat of the ACA to gain control of the Senate

I've just had my fill of being asked to sweat blood so we can beat these sons of bitches back. Let those red states and states that elect these disgraceful ass holes make the move. Nothing is going to change until they do.

[Demsrule86]

57. That is completely heartless and probably won't work. And even if we got the Senate without

the House which is gerrymandered we can't do anything. And even if we had the House with Trump in office, we can't do anything. And even if we had all three branches of government, we can't pass single payer without a super majority which could be years away. What you are talking about is a death sentence for purposes of ideology and in my opinion for something that will probably never happen. And it gets worse...this totally destroys Medicaid and weakens Medicare. I will never understand such unconcern about living breathing people.

[Ms. Toad]

26. Thanks so much for being willing to sacrifice my daughter for political gain.

I don't give a damn about the 2018-20 election cycle if it means turning a blind eye to the murder of my daughter and others who need the ACA to survive.

[Hulk]

30. Like that's at all what I said.

Save your anger for someone that can do something with it. You missed the whole point I was making.

I'm just fed up with banging MY HEAD against the wall when it is out of my control. Nobody said anthing about your ACA.

I need the ACA to survive, and so does my family. I'm just getting damned tired of those parts of the country that CAN do something about it sitting on their hands and we are being asked to do more than is ever possible.

And 2018 and 20 hold the ONLY answer to our future...not me banging my head against the wall harder.

[Demsrule86]

58. Now we see who they are....and I have to say it is an abomination.

[Demsrule86]

52. Yep...and we must fight. They came within one vote last. And word is they have the votes.

McCain will vote for his buddy Graham's bill.

[treestar]

76. [phone]

[CousinIT]

27. And the media is COMPLETELY ignoring it.

CALL YOUR SENATORS

E V E R Y

D A Y

[Demsrule86]

53. It was on Chris Hayes show yesterday... Portman is my guy, and he promised not to support it last

time but did. He just go re-elected but I will keep calling...and we will go to his Cleveland office.

[clu]

28. ACA soaks a lot of well-to-do single ppl

if I recall correctly, so there may be several reasons it's vulnerable to debate. however, just like people saw trump as having been elected to "throw a wrench into things", i don't think we could have hoped for a better wrench than Obama and the ACA - doh

single payor now baby!

[Squinch]

36. Quite the crock of rancid shit right there.

Obama and the ACA were just a wrench in the works? All those poor well-to-do single people being required to pay their share? How horrid!

[clu]

50. may be a bit a conclusion to jump on

yes it's a good start, but it IS just a start. two people earning $125k get taxed a bit different in the next few years. my sister as an associates degree in nursing makes a little over $100k (kind of heavy ICU work). dems need to be aware of where they're being attacked from, and take us where we need to go

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/020714/new-taxes-under-affordable-care-act.asp

[Demsrule86]

66. I am sure'nothing' will be so much better if you are young and entitled probably with workplace

insurance... Of course some on Medicare may believe this won't affect them. They would be wrong and should read about the bill and what it does.

[Squinch]

105. Could you say that again, but make it make sense this time?

[still_one]

38. It is vulnerable because enough self-identifed progressives who refused to vote for the Democratic

nominee in 2016, contributed to the situation we are in now, and have essentially put single payer on hold for at least four years, and probably longer, so please don't lecture us how President Obama threw a wrench into things. He didn't have the votes for single payer. The blue dogs made it very clear they would not vote for it, and they needed every vote or nothing would have occurred.

So the "single payer now baby", isn't going anywhere for at least four years, and those who are NOT "well-to-do-single people", who depend on expanded Medicaid. because of the ACA, and those who are subsidized for their premiums because of the ACA, are now facing the prospect losing that.

Perhaps Noam Chomsky said it best. Progressives who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton made a ‘bad mistake’

"Legendary linguist and activist Noam Chomsky thinks that progressives and left-wingers who didn’t want to vote for Hillary Clinton this year have badly miscalculated — and will now pay a very dear price"

“I think they [made] a bad mistake,” said Chomsky, who reiterated that it’s important to keep a “greater evil” from obtaining power, even if you’re not thrilled with the alternative. “I didn’t like Clinton at all, but her positions are much better than Trump’s on every issue I can think of.”
Chomsky also attacked the arguments made by philosopher Slavoj Zizek, who argued that Trump’s election would at least shake up the system and provide a real rallying point for the left.
“[Zizek makes a] terrible point,” Chomsky told Hasan. “It was the same point that people like him said about Hitler in the early ’30s… he’ll shake up the system in bad ways.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/noam-chomsky-progressives-who-refused-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton-made-a-bad-mistake/

[clu]

51. sorry noam i love ya

but that cite doesn't seem to be worth very much right now. nothing else to say though - cheers

[still_one]

64. Bullshit. Those folks who call themselves progressives who refused to vote for the Democratic

nominee in 2016, and took every opportunity to undermine the Democratic party through various outlets in the 2016 general election by spewing the LIE that there was "no difference between the republicans and the Democrats", and how "the Democrats aren't giving us a reason to vote for them", are full of it.

The Supreme Court wasn't reason enough.

Civil Rights weren't reason enough.

Women's rights weren't reason enough.

The environment, healthcare, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, and a host of other issues weren't reason enough.

Those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for the Democratic nominee, and encouraged others not to, are the ones that aren't worth very much. Nothing else to say though -------- cheers

[Demsrule86]

94. Such folks cost us the courts and it appears we may also lose Medicaid and the ACA...

and Medicare will be weakened as well...the GOP wet dream...and the green riffraff left left types helped.

[Sunlei]

40. No it doesn't soak anyone- don't get insurance and pay the fine if "well to do" & feel soaked!

[Demsrule86]

60. Nonsense...all those who thought it was a good idea to put forth single payer which

has no chance and distract from the GOP putting up a bill to take away all healthcare and block grant medicaid as well, are going to be blamed and rightfully so. I personally don't think I can ever forgive any of them if we lose health care. We will lose Medicaid as well. We will lose a program that has been around since the 60's and for what...nothing. We are going backwards by reaching for the unattainable and not fighting for what we have.

[Demsrule86]

81. Poor dears... I am so sad for them...her is hoping some get a pre-existing and find out what

unable to get insurance is like...killed my cousin as the hospital delayed life saving surgery until his Mom signed as agreeing to pay...this was before the ACA...ah the good old days (sarcasm).

[Ken Burch]

29. Thanks for keeping people aware of that.

n/t.

[Demsrule86]

83. I wonder how many will die if the ACA goes down...and if all the talk had been about saving

the ACA and putting forth a bill to do this...what would have happened?

[Trust Buster]

37. I support the ACA. Playing chicken with people's healthcare is sickening to me.

[Demsrule86]

62. It makes me sick too.

[Sunlei]

39. re enrollment is in 2 months. doubt Insurance Corps will allow Rs to do anything to Subsidies.$$$$$

sure Republican party will ALWAYS try to screw millions of Americans and vote hundreds of times on issues they hold dear.

but I think this is just a Republican smoke screen to keep Americans frazzled and scared.

Republicans use fear just like terrorists do.

[Demsrule86]

61. I would not count on that...the bill will be completely repealed.

And slime ball GOP Senators will be bribed with blue state Medicaid money.

[Sunlei]

69. never trust a 'party' Republican. They usually get what they want eventually.

Never take their "word" for anything.

[Demsrule86]

85. Yes, but the great irony is that in this case we kind of helped them by the single payer stuff...so

unwise. Nancy Pelosi is always right.

[crosinski]

84. The repeal is still behind closed doors being crafted at this point.

Another site I belong to formed an effective working group on healthcare right after the election. It's in a healthcare forum so access to healthcare means life to many of these people. They are passionate, and they inspire me. They are waiting to see what this bill looks like before they launch another calling and writing campaign.

[Demsrule86]

87. Some of it has been leaked. They will block grant medicaid. which means

the bill effectively takes down Medicaid with the ACA by using block grants...a program is sent to the states to die in this form. Also, they will take blue state medicaid money and use it to bribe red state GOP Senators. And McCain has said publicly he will support it. Lindsey Graham is a snake and he wrote it...he and McCain are BFF's. The word is they have the votes. How could the our side not be away of this and why is there no save the ACA bill?

[lastlib]

90. Let's NAIL that door SHUT!!

Don't let it out alive!! People's LIVES DEPEND on it!

[Demsrule86]

95. Damn right...going to Cleveland next week to protest at Portman's office.

Call and call and then call some more.

[crosinski]

107. I like the way you think!

By the way, impending death from lack of health-care seems to be an issue that will turn a trump supporter into a Democrat, temporarily at least.

[samnsara]

88. again...text RESIST to 50409 to send a free fax to your....

state reps...your own word..appears to be unlimited. I send in a donation as I use this app almost daily.

[Demsrule86]

96. Done!!!

Thanks.

[brokephibroke]

98. Thanks for that

Just used it....